Israel needs a Final Solution to their Palestinian problem , what would you suggest to bring peace to the Holy Land?

[Drewtate]

[Lliam]

Israel has always had a "Final Solution" in mind for the indigenous people of Palestine. "The Final Solution" is what Nazis proposed for Jews. Now Zionists are the Nazis.

The Gaza Strip is a 140 sq. mi. death camp. Israelis forced 2.3 Palestinians into it, fenced them in, and won't let them out, not even to fish off of their own coast. It has bombed the camp, terrorized homes with late night raids, abducted and tortured children, and shot residents in cold blood with snipers continually for 18 years. Now it has cut off all food, water and electricity to the entire population. Its leaders refer to Palestinians as "human animals" and cockroaches.

Zionists claim that they are "defending" themselves. Wasn't that the Nazis' claim, as well, when they rounded up Jews, Poles, Gypsies, Slavs, homosexuals and dissidents? And for those historically ignorant minds who think the Nazis were only motivated by irrational Antisemitism, I would say the colonists in Israel are motivated by the same thing. After all, they are not Semitic, but the indigenous people are.

The solution? Tear down the walls. Disband the check points. Grant all Palestinians who were forced to flee their land the right of return. Make every resident of former Palestine a citizen with full, equal rights under the law. Prosecute Israelis who commit crimes against Palestinians. Engage in reconciliation like in South Africa. Pay restitution to the Palestinians whose homes, land and property was stolen and destroyed.
Hold Nuremberg-like trials in the Hague for Israeli leaders who perpetrated war crimes and crimes against humanity.
Declare "Never again", as was done after the Nazis were defeated.

I urge people to read The General's son by Miko Peled, and works by other good Israelis like Ilan Pappé for a truthful perspective on the Israeli-Palestinian "conflict". There are good Israelis and many good Jews, just as there were good Germans during the Hitler era.

Many Jews reject Zionism just as the majority of Muslims reject those Madrases that teach radical Wahhabism.

According to Orthodox Rabbi Yakov Rabkin, "Zionists have transformed the religious messianism implicit in Judaism into a political nationalism and tried to replace the religious definition of Jewish identity by one that is secular and political."

We should reject Israel's victim routine and recognize the true victims.

[Drewtate]

Jews are the indigenous people of Israel, the Palestinians are colonisers.

[Lliam]

Oh. Nobody was there before the Hebrews? The later Judeans barely passed through for a while. Even the Israelites hated them.
European Jews have no connection to the region.
Stop trying to rationalize your racist, Zionist views.

[Drewtate]

That's like saying Indians living around the world have nothing to do with India. European Jews are from Israel

[Lliam]

Except the tiny, short-lived kingdom of Israel disappeared 2,745 years ago. What about other extinct kingdoms like Phrygia, Lydia, Cimmeria, Sythia, Samara, ...

Those European Jews have a greater right to reestablish the medieval Jewish Kingdom of Khazaria (740-1259 ad). Except the countries that now exist in that area probably wouldn't like that very much.

Why do Jews need their own country, anyway?

[Jumpintoadstool]

You dropped this 🎤

[Drewtate]

The Kingdom of Khazaria was turks, very few of them converted to Judaism as they were nomads just the elites and oppressed Jews from the middle east did flock there. There was also a Jewish kingdom in Yemen and eithiopia. Jews have always lived in Israel though many were scattered throughout the Roman empire & Persian empire and as far away as China and India. They rarely married outside of the Jewish faith and there has been genetic testing showing them to be genetically identical to ancient hebrews buried in Israel and the Hebrew samaritians. Truth is no Non-Muslim native people are allowed to worship freely and suffer great oppression that is true for a thousand years in Israel with the Jews, the coptics in Egypt, the Kurds assyrians Greeks Armenians in Turkey, the Jews and Christians in Yemen and eithiopia, Hindus Christians Buddhists and seiks in Pakistan. Christians, jews and lbgtq are oppressed in palestine 🎯
@Jumpintoadstool picked it up and schooled him

[Dargil]

"Final Solution" has uncomfortable Nazi overtones. But one is needed.

Israel should negotiate sufficient land in Jordan and the Sinai peninsula and summarily deport all "Palestinians" to those two places. The population of Palestinians including the West Bank and Gaza is about 5 million; the population of Alabama. Originally, Jordan and Egypt are where Palestinians came from and homelands could be carved out in both. They could make both places more prosperous, with new Palestinian cities. Sort of like Pakistan and Bangladesh.

I know it sounds fascist, but the only solution is bloodless ethnic cleansing and deportation. Islam has a central objective of exterminating Jews. The only way to mitigate that is partitioning.

Israel is the land area of New Jersey and has nothing "Palestinians" need" except Jewish extermination. Maybe everybody can leave Israel alone.

[Drewtate]

Those countries don't want the Palestinians. Jordan took in Palestinians and they tried to seize power in Jordan

[Dargil]

Perhaps the Sinai, then. It is almost vacant. Or maybe a hunk of Saudi.
Or better, paralleling the governors of Florida and Texas, bus them to Iran!!! After all, they pay for Hamas and Hezb 'Allah.

[Lliam]

Why was everything peaceful for centuries before the Zionist terrorist settlers arrived? Why don't they go back where they came from? The only holocaust that is going on is what Zionists are doing to Palestinians.

[Drewtate]

@Lliam they had already been there. Muslims have a thing about non-muslims in land Muslims stole.

[Lliam]

You live in a world of your own imagination.

[Drewtate]

@Lliam look up the genocide of non Muslims in Turkey, iraq and Egypt. Look at Pakistan where there isn't a single standing church, Hindu temple, synagogue or buddist temple. In palestine Jews and Christians can't walk the streets and lgbtq people are dragged to death tied to motorcycles

[Drewtate]

@Jumpintoadstool it's retarded you came back after 2 months

[WhiteSandyBeach]

Biden needs to move heaven and Earth to rescue the American hostages in Gaza. After that, it's not our problem.

I just found out that Israel sent their "Teddy Bear" into Gaza.

Wow! That thing eats bombs for breakfast. This bad boy clears the path for tanks. Israel is going to destroy Hamas and anyone else that gets in the way. Their lives depend on it. And just maybe it would be wise for presidents like Obama and Biden to stop giving money to Iran.

[exitseven]

The check has already cleared so Biden has to do what the Iranians tell him to do.

[WhiteSandyBeach]

@exitseven

Biden should just stop talking about anything.

[exitseven]

He should definitely never try to walk and talk at the same time.

[WhiteSandyBeach]

@exitseven

I agree! Elon said that the character in Weekend At Bernie's is more alive than Biden. And Elon voted for him!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8NoI_foKDY

[exitseven]

Weeken at Bidens/

[WhiteSandyBeach]

@exitseven
Biden is suing Elon and Jeff Bezos. Good luck.

[HappyWoman34]

Good question. I think it’s really complicated. Not an easy question to answer. It’s terrible how equally innocent Palestinians and Israelis are being harmed. Stuck in the crossfires of government wars. It makes me sad for them all.

[strateguy632]

government? hammas has been recognized terrorist for decades, and is using such hostage methods now. but i guess between israel and terrorists enough people prefer terrorist over israel

[HappyWoman34]

@strateguy632 well there’s that too. You do know the war is over the holy land? That civilians in Palestine and Israel are both dying? Do you not feel sorry for both?

[Drewtate]

Hamas is also the government of Palestine

[Cheerfull009]

And Palestine is member of UN also

[Drewtate]

@Cheerfull009 and when you declare war and attack civilian populations you can expect retaliation as the Palestinians are finding out.

[davado88]

why is it a good question?
I've never met a single soul that gives a flying fk about palestine or israel,
because they are nothing countries in buttfuck nowhere who have contributed nothing to the world and very likely never will.
but the intigator drewtate insists on asking a question a day about them anyway.

[Apple1996]

There will never be peace over there. It's unfortunate but true... religion, terrorists and the land itself will always cause war, hate and violence

[exitseven]

Yes, the middle east should be a garden and instead it is a hellhole. There will always be war there until somebody gets hold of a nuke. Then it will be game over.

[davado88]

@exitseven if nukes were actually real

[petera1987]

@davado88 Nukes don't exist? Well, that's good news! :)

[Drewtate]

@exitseven nobody would be stupid enough to use nukes in the middle east. You'd make your own country unliveable by nuking your neighbour.

[exitseven]

@Drewtate Wait until Iran finishes building one.

[Drewtate]

@exitseven again they can't use it. There's a reason nobody uses nukes big or small and it'd not because of the humanity.

[davado88]

@petera1987 yes i strongly suspect nuclear weapons are imaginary boogeymen to scare us all into submission.
ooh dont look under your bed the nuke will get ya

[Drewtate]

@davado88 no like chemical or biological weapons they are real.
You can't use nukes on your neighbour not because of the explosive power or because you might get one back but because of the after effects. Say Russia dropped a few nukes in Ukraine well the after effects of that on Russia would be radioactive dust blowing back over Russia which would cover crops and make its way into the water, Russian people would be breathing it in and this would cause cancers and tumours in the Russian people, infertility, impotence in men, birth defects in babies and other crazy stuff. There is a belief among many people that the reason there is so many cancers (1in3 people will apparently get cancer) is due to all the nuclear bomb testing that went on 1945-2000 plus nuclear melt downs.

[davado88]

pretty sure i did not mention chemical or biological weapons.
as any idiot can make those at home everyone knows they are real.

i said nuclear weapons aren't real.
they do not exist.
They werent invented.
understandee? speakee engrish?

[davado88]

they are an existential threat that hoves over us.
of impending doom
to create fear amonst the dumb peasant rabble.
in order to maintain control of us

[Drewtate]

@davado88 no they are very real. The thing about nuclear weapons, biological weapons and chemical weapons is that they are as likely to do damage to your own population if you use them.
Unfortunately they are very real. People used to watch the testing of them in Las Vegas. They even used US soldiers as guinea pigs during testing.
Also hiroshima and nagasaki are testament to how real nukes are.
https://youtu.be/FghT80tVFKo?si=9PfoxvZAnVp_xBnn
https://youtu.be/4f4NOP2k7jU?si=RXcFpiSdm5eVHeuF

[davado88]

drewtate are you mentally retarded? or do you think i am?
obviously there's propaganda supporting the lie that nuclear bombs exist.
And just as obviously I've seeb through that lie.
so why are you showing me propaganda?

i dont care if you or anyone believes they exist.
you can all believe in the tooth fairy for all i care
?

[davado88]

i have a very good nose for lies and i can smell you from here.
your stenh is rank.
id prefer to avoid you in future.
have at it with your jewish propaganda.
make hay and all that. but dont fk with me please.
that would be a mistake

[Drewtate]

@davado88 people saw it. Japan surrendered.

[petera1987]

Japan surrendered because by August 1945 they'd already lost the war, their navy had been sunk, their cities were being bombed, the USSR had entered the war against them, and they were starving. It had nothing to do with the use of nuclear weapons, that's a myth.

[Drewtate]

@petera1987 Japan wasn't wasn't surrendering but planning to fight on as they had done everywhere. They still had a huge army in China and other places. There cities had been leveled yet still they fought on.

[RealMarek]

The only thing that has brought peace to that region in the past was external control by a competent (i. e., not the USG), external, imperial power.

[Drewtate]

Like Britain

[RealMarek]

Sort of. They sowed the seeds of the current conflict by promising both the local Arabs and the Zionists that they would get Palestine. Imperial power only works if it envisions itself staying in control.

[Adaeva]

Have an economic collapse in the USA that is worse than the Great Depression. The the USA would not have the money to be ruled by Israel and without the USA, Israel would be abolished and cease to exist and that is the way it should be.

[Drewtate]

During the great depression the US was still the richest country in the world. On fact it built mega projects that still stand today and 10 years later it was building a vast military machine never seen before in history. You need to understand the difference between a nations economy and a nation's wealth. The best thing that would occur from a us economic crash is that the US pull back manufacturering jobs to America, more energy independence and less trade with China.

[Adaeva]

"You need to understand the difference between a nations economy and a nation's wealth." That makes sense.

[Drewtate]

An economy is an area of the production, distribution and trade, as well as consumption of goods and services. So if the America's economy collapsed or went into recession the nation's wealth is still there. For instance in 1929 both America & Germany suffered economic recession yet America's wealth was still there to see it through the next ten years while Germany was not wealthy at the time have previously fought a world war which left them bankrupt and having to pay reparations to France.

[strateguy632]

to @adaeva , content ruled, 3 problems 1, even if hammas defeated israel not peace because Muslims fight each other. 2, we can't ignore king david history, jewish historical homeland since time of king david for 500 year dynasty 3 your sentence about money self contradict. when u. s. rich it is not under israel because rich.

[Drewtate]

@strateguy632 ... since the time of Jacob

[strateguy632]

i guess an "unending" war on terrorism is Final Solution.

another option already being tried, with little success, but a bit, is evangelizing both jew and arab about jesus.

the evidence is swaying each and then they unite under jesus and hide their suspicions, a bit.

[Mansearching]

If they're anything like Zeva (NCIS) they're mean. So yes as long as they are.

But while off duty they can see me. Doesn't matter which... lol

[Drewtate]

She's actually Hispanic I think

[Mansearching]

The actress Cote de Pablo is yes. Zeva character is Israeli. Character's father was head of secret service (Israeli version).

[Drewtate]

Natalie Portman is Israeli.

[AviatorTom]

Thousands of years without peace in the Middle East. There will always be conflicts.

[Drewtate]

True of most countries.

[genericname85]

yeah and palestina needs a solution to their israeli problem xD

[Drewtate]

Like returning to arabia

[genericname85]

Yeah and the Jews should go back to Germany.

[Drewtate]

Jews aren't from Germany

[genericname85]

Jews aren't from any country in particular cause it's a religion, not a nationality. but ask yourself what nation is the biggest population ancestry group and when exactly did Israel start existing?

[Drewtate]

Israel started existing around the time of the Bronze collapse. 3000 years ago & other Hebrew tribes existed there.

[genericname85]

bullshit. you're talking about Jerusalem, not "Israel". the souvereign nation of israel was founded in 1948

[Drewtate]

Jerusalem is a city, the only State called Jerusalem in history was the kingdom of Jerusalem which was a Frankish (french) christian kingdom that existed for 100 years.
Israel is literally mentioned multiple times in the bible, ancient Rome, ancient Greece, ancient Egypt

[davado88]

no jews are turkish and aren't actual jews they just call themselves jews.
hence the ugly moustachioed women

[Drewtate]

@davado88 not true at all. They've done DNA tests of ancient Jews and Hebrews and compared the DNA to the other Hebrew people the Samartians as well as to Jews who always lived in Israel and found them to be genetically identical. Jews rarely mixed outside their own people especially in Europe

[Drewtate]

Turks on the other hand are not from Turkey but from Mongolia and siberia. Germans are not from Germany but are jnstead invaders from Scandinavia and the western steppes of Russia

[davado88]

pretty sure all those dweebs calling themselves jews are actually a turkish tribe that sounds like ashkenazi .
Too lazy to google it but turkey and jerusalem are nowhere near each other.
so the turks who call themselves jews should go home.
problem solved

[davado88]

you're such a liar drewtate.
and i wonder why you bother.
I've exposed all your lies yet you keep repeating them. why?

any idiot can verify independently online that ashkenazis are turks who just call themselves jews.
i even quoted revelations a couple days ago the jews who call themselves jews but are not.

you're kinda dull aren't you.
and by the way if anyone actually believes nuclear weapons are real I've got a lovely bridge i can sell you.
perfect location central sydney harbour views

[davado88]

theyre turks actually
absurd lies and propaganda. No turkish person has blonde hair or blue eyes.
im sure you want your women to look like that
but wishing won't make it so jew who calls himself jew but is not is the synagogue of satan

[Drewtate]

@davado88 dna don't lie. Jews have been everywhere in Europe and North Africa since the Roman empire.
The sydney opera house is the real, its just a fake movie set background painted so tourists can get pictures. Jesus was Jewish.

[davado88]

yes jesus was a jew but you aren't.
nor is your absurd reference to dna. No idea what point you were making but why not just say dna?
you might sound scientific

[Drewtate]

@davado88 that's right you don't believe in science

[davado88]

actually i dont but thats irelevant.
im a tough man to fool. and you're kinda dullwitted anyway

[Drewtate]

@davado88 of course you are

[Cheerfull009]

Only solution is, :that Israel should vacate the Palestine land, which it has occupied by force, and divide the Holy City of Jerusalem, in 2 parts, Holy area of Muslims, to give Muslims and, Jewish Holy area to Jews :but Israel want to finish Palestine totally, which 57 Muslim Countries, China and Russia will never allow and continuing support to Palestine and USA and whole Europe is supporting Israel

[Drewtate]

Jews have lived in Israel for thousand of years. Remember it was the Palestinians who attacked the Jews in 1948 along with 10 other Muslim nations in an attempt at genocide and lost their land as the price.
China and Russia has not really come out in favour of Israel, remember they both have their own Muslim problems in their own countries. No Muslim country has won a war in a few hundred years.

[Cheerfull009]

You don't know the history, Palestine was a Muslim state, before WW2, when Hitler was defeated with his allies, then Jews from whole of world were brought in Palestine, as it was also conquered by America and its allies, so whole Christian countries helped Israel to settle Jews in Palestine, in 1948 Israel was declared a state and got UN membership, where as Palestine was already Member of UN. Now Palestine is still member of UN, with the help of America and other Christian countries, Israel started capturing Palestine land, in 1967, Palestine with the hell of few Muslim countries had war with Isreal to stop occupation of Palestinian land but America directly involved and the Palestinie was defeated, Isreal occupied land of Supporting countries, like Jordan, Syria, Libnon and Egypt. After that war, Israel contiinue its settlements in Palestine, so now Palestine is attacked Israel to get back and stop further occupation

[Drewtate]

Palestine wasn't a state, it was part of the British mandate in the middle east, basically the territory they won after 1918 from the ottomans. Some Jews had been travelling to the region b4 ww1 but most had already been there for thousands of years, the British actually stopped then in 30s and 40s until they were granted independence on the lands they lived on. Jews have always lived in Israel. Palestine has never up until 1948 been a country, there has never historically been a Palestinian people up until 1948. Non-Muslim peoples are not allowed self governance or independence if they live in Muslim countries even when they are the natives and face genocide and persecution. Historically this has been true of the Jews who lived in the ottoman empire especially Israel. The native coptic people in Egypt and Sudan. The Amenians in Turkey. The Greeks in Turkey. The Kurt's in Turkey in Iraq. Zoastrians all throughout the Middle east. Yazidi in Syria and Iraq. Christians in palestine. Budists, christians and Hindus in Afghanistan. Buddhists, christians, Hindus and seiks in Pakistan.
In 1967 with the Soviet Union arming and supporting them just like they did for Israel in 1948 Egypt, Syria, Saudi Arabia, morrocco, Jordan, Algeria, Kuwait, Pakistan and even north Korea, east Germany and Cuba tried to defeat Israel but despite greater numbers of men and equipment failed. Like I said no Muslim army has won a war in centuries.
Palestine has once again attacked Israel and the price will be the loss of more territory.

[strateguy632]

to drew, thanks i add jews starting pouring into ottoman palestine in 1800s, not as they say start after ww2.

[strateguy632]

a to @cheerfull009
opposite of your propaganda israel repeatedly offered to give land to palestine, opposite of your claim "want to finish Palestine totally," but as you wrote, "you want to finish Israel totally".

[davado88]

jews employ tens of thousands of people to moderate every public forum online.
To crush any anti jewish sentiment from ever becoming a threat.
They are very skilled at lying and propaganda.
Thats the kinda shit you have to do to rule the world i suppose.
as they do behind the scenes.
Pretty sure the palestinians dont do that.
Or are called the synagogue of satan.

probably the only time ill ever quote the bible but jesus you're all such fn numpties you made me google it

Revelation 3:9
King James Version
9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet,

[Cheerfull009]

@strateguy632 you know Holu Cast:massacre of Jews by Hitler, Hitler killed Jews, so Jews ran away from countries near Germany and other countries near Germany, Palestine was part of Ottoman Empire, when Hitler was defeated, American and allies brought Jews from all Europe and help them settled, after WW2, there was no more Ottoman Empire, this whole Middle East was under Britain, so Muslims were weak, cannot face Britain, so population of Jews increased, No Palestinians are fighting for their existence, see what happens, but not possible to finish a country totally, even weak

[Drewtate]

The Ottoman empire ended in 1918 when they along with Germany &Austria/Hungary lost the First World War. The British & French took the Ottoman's Middle Eastern territories which included Palestine for the British. Palestine was part of the British Empire from 1918 to 1948, a whole 30 years. Only jn 1948 was there a Palestine and Palestinian people. Britain stopped jewish migration to Israel to avoid flaring up sectarian tensions with the Arabs, the Jews actually attacked the British for this. The Haganah a Jewish zionist paramilitary organisation had been operating in Israel under the ottomans in one form or another's

[davado88]

drewtaste pre-empts a bald face lie by saying :"remember"
isn't it a tad insidious to know a stranger's memories?

how could anyone possibly know what a stranger remembers about anything?

they cannot.
Therefore he is trying to put his opinions or facts inside someone else's head..

that is fn creepy. CREEPY AF

[Anonymous]

I remember learning about the Oslo Accord and the path to a two state solution. Some people think when Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated it ended all possibility of further peace talks. Britannica online has a pretty though summary of that solution. Sometimes I wonder it it's still passible today. https://www.britannica.com/topic/two-state-solution

[Jamie05rhs]

This post is incendiary and very offensive. You're not helping anyone by making a post like this.

[Drewtate]

Peace incendiary?

[Jamie05rhs]

You deliberately used the words "Final Solution," man. You know what you did.

[Drewtate]

A solution that finally solves the problem?

[Jamie05rhs]

@Drewtate Stop playing dumb.

[Anonymous]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[Exterminatore]

Another crusade. It’s been like 800 years since we had one. We should just go and kill all the terrorists. Then the Jews can live in peace.

[petera1987]

No, it doesn't need a "final solution" (stupid Holocaust reference). And why are you showing those women? Do you think that will influence our attitude toward the Israelis? They're probably murderers.

[Drewtate]

You've a problem with females in the military?

[petera1987]

I have a problem with killers, and so should you.

[Drewtate]

So you don't approve of dragging gay men through the streets tied to a motorcycle until they die?

[exitseven]

i like your solution. It probably won't work. The Israelis are going to have to do this the hard way.

[silyt_ghoest]

the first step would be to chill tf out with gaza strip. the second step… no one really knows.

[strateguy632]

chill out? see my reply to irish about hostages

[silyt_ghoest]

@strateguy632 ik about the hostages. but also in the past couple of years israel has killed over 8000 palestinean children. both are royally fucking up. the gaza strip is one of the worst places. you also can’t put all of the blame on the Hamas organization bc Israel is literally committing an “ethnic cleansing” against Palestinians. In reality the good guy is gonna be whoever wins in this situation cuz their is no “good guy”. they both just kinda suck, y’know?

[DarkLegacy]

All those sexy women will cause more violence. The men will be fighting each other for them

[lightbulb27]

See my post, I proposed one...

[Drewtate]

Not an option.

[lightbulb27]

then murder each other til the end of time. that's what it is.

[Anonymous]

The solution from both sides should be peace.

[Mansearching]

Very true.

But it'll never happen because jews will be alive. As soon as the Muslims eradicate the jews they'll come after Christians.

[Drewtate]

@Mansearching I agree. You only have to look at how non Muslims are persecuted in Muslim countries.

[strateguy632]

what about returning hostages to israel and arabs not abducting israelis as hostages? that seems highest priority?

[Mansearching]

@strateguy632 That's understandable. But its rest of the time.

[AngelLily]

Jesus. Both Israel a Palestine needs Jesus both places don’t believe.

[GoodGuyBreakingBad]

Both sides got to make agreement

[strateguy632]

with people who abduct hostages? haven't you heard policy not negotiate with terrorists? several films made idea famous.