Land shouldn't be a commodity to be bought and sold. Agree or Disagree?

[Ayer93]

Agree

Disagree

[Christpaquin]

Yes and no, if you've a good system in place, yes, otherwise no.

A good system could be The Venus Project with other technologies and design.

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Everything is free and made by robots, you ask and you get it, education and security is REALLY REALLY better, so with the next generations you've less issues.

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Imagine what people could accomplish, if they wasn't jealous, if they have a self esteem, if their parents and family wasn't crazy etc...

[Christpaquin]

For those who want a solution, look that
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[Kilamanjargo]

We should storm the houses of the bourgeoisie eliminate them burn their riches and their pillars of exploitation and corruption. We should go back to the stone age where man made land his own and not come clown government.

[Ayer93]

😀👏

[Ayer93]

Where do I sign up?

[Ayer93]

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[OpinionatedChap]

You are only able to say this from the shoulders of giants you're standing on. Our system of private property is the most successful and prosperous system that has ever existed in human society.

[Kilamanjargo]

Only a true agent of the oppressive patriarchy would say that. The towers of capitalism feeds on the hope of the proletariat where they are made to believe they can prosper. How does it feel defiling the land of the exploited indigenous societies?

[OpinionatedChap]

At least something is fed under Capitalism.

Have fun starving in the Gulag, comrade.

[Kilamanjargo]

Who is fed? The mouths of the rich only. They parade in the labour of the alienated. The clothes on your back woven from the hands of child slaves. The food which you eat produced on the lands of a once prosperous people. Man should not have a oppressive government telling him where he can or can't live, what food he can or can't eat or deny him goods for which his labour was given to.

[OpinionatedChap]

Your labour is directly tied to the money you earn. Money is proof of societal goods you've produced. You can then go to spend that money on anything you want. It's a merit-based system.

And don't act like only the upper classes get fed. There's a diminishingly small proportion of people, who are starving and even then you'd be hard pressed to find a person under a capitalist system who died thanks to starvation. Under socialism only the ruling party are well fed. Does Lysenkoism not ring any bells? Tens of millions of people, starving to death because communism is a nepotism-based system that devalues experience and specialisation, resulting in a system run by brownnosing idiots that screw it for everyone else.

And anarchism is equally as unviable, since how do you stop people from claiming something without a ruling structure? How do you enforce rules? Mob rule? That sounds horribly unjust. You clearly have a bad case of utopian thinking and have not thought this through.

[Kilamanjargo]

Maybe you're not aware of the thousands of those under the poverty system whom suffer and die. These are the people you'll never hear about which makes us naive to believe that starvation isn't an issue in the first world. Capitalism is nothing but a system catering to the rich and spoiled. Why should an athlete be given an inappropriate high wage while a surgeon makes a fraction. Socialism itself is a corrupt system as well but not to say that those whom have practiced have expressed it in a abusive manner. So is anarchism however why should be ruled through a corrupt system of power hungry industrialists?

[OpinionatedChap]

Thousanda under a system of billions? I like those odds.

I'm not a rich man myself. I'm not below the poverty line, but the secret is that no one who hasn't given up or isn't abusing substances is under that line. That, too, is them reaping the benefits of their minimal labor.

And this system is democratic, you choose who you're ruled by. You said that our system is corrupt which I do not disagree with, but that is not an inherent emergent property of Capitalism.

[Kilamanjargo]

Of course as a capitalist you would give your own begotten son for your own progression. If it came to murdering your own people for your profit accumulation you'd probably wouldn't hesitate. The is just an assumption but everyone has their price regardless of how selfless they want to appear. And yes democracy is a flawed system because of the leaders we have and the laws they force on us.

[SKINNYPETITE1]

Land should be bought and sold i know i want to have some land that i can call my own. To build a house on Nothing in life is free. This isn't thousand of years ago. Even back into the 1,000 B. C. times land was bought and paid for. Either with money as. They had back then or through the barter system. Why is it suppose to be different now?

[candycanehearts]

I think it depends on the land, like I dont think forests and nature places should e sold, but they should be under protection from the gouvernment or whatever, but we still need houses and shops and stuff and if they don't have prices them then no one would work hard to earn money for them and the economy or whatever would suck

[Cccgala]

I disagree.

If land is freely given to random people (with the exception of inheritance), then there would be no solid basis of ownership and disputes over ownership might emerge among conflicting parties.

The proof of purchase is necessary for land to be considered someone's private property and asset.

[jacquesvol]

Did Andrew Jackson have a proof of purchase?

[SirRexington]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_property
Personal property - Wikipedia

I believe in personal property, property that is currently being used for the individual/group occupying or exploited it's resources. Until that land is in use for personal or collective gain, it should go either unowned or owned collectively. Though I tend to lean more towards the former as I do not endorse communism.
I am a fan of mutualism however.
en.m.wikipedia.org/.../Mutualism_(economic_theory)
Mutualism (economic theory) - Wikipedia

[Mexicoman101]

I just think not all land should be. I don't have a problem with people owning homes but when thousands of acres of land can go unused as assets of a financial institution we've lost something as a consequence of property rights.

[JayParris]

Agree. We should fight to the death for the right to farm and graze like they did in ancient times. That way, the population would be limited and the weaklings would die in combat or starve to death, leaving only the strong to procreate.

The only people who ask questions like this are those who don't own anything.

[Ayer93]

Or people that are just curious and interested in others opinions. I appreciate your insightful comment 😂

[jacquesvol]

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[jacquesvol]

God intended it for white English Anglo-Saxon Protestants. That's clear.

[Grimwaldo]

Completely agree. People should be able to live off the land. There should be no bullshit tax on it. Just live.

[monkeynutts]

Other cultures have had the same idea, land should not be sold, obviously if you invest money in property you would not agree with the statement because you would want a return. I think you should only be allowed to own a certain amount. Western society has never really broken it's own chains. The system does not work for most people.

[Iamagoodguy]

Why shouldn’t land be bought should we instead fight for the land to live for the land to grow food as you won’t just be able to settle any where people what there own area and if they don’t but it they shoot stab punch anyone who comes onto there land

[Chantel00]

I dont think so... if it doesn't belong to you, regardless if you're using it someone could take it right from up under you. And that would cause more conflict in the world as if we don't already have enough

[Someguynamedbob]

I own a decent amount of land and if someone try’s to take it away from me they are gonna be staring down the barrel of a 12 gauge

[mrb187]

I don't see why it shouldn't be. Now, nature should still be respected and preserved, but within reason, it should be an item available for purchase.

[Juxtapose]

Tell that to a growling animal defending it's territory, lol.

[MarketData]

I agree. Land belongs to everyone. You didn't make it, so how can you claim it's yours? The only exception should be if you have built on it. Even if you are actively farming it people should have reasonable rights of access.

[Rycer]

It's the law of the commons. What is appreciated is treasured and what is without some sense of ownership is wasted.

[Sha84]

land is money is bought and sold every day everywhere

[Rissyanne]

Disagree... this is nuts.

[Ayer93]

So I guess every other animal other than humans are nuts. I guess once all parts of land are owned and bought, we're screwed in the future. I guess our ancestors way of living in the past was nuts as well.

People are making it seem like if we share land with others, people will suddenly go back to savage times and kill and rape each other. We can definitely be educated in good morality and learn to adapt to a different life style.

[Rissyanne]

My father worked hard and paid for 45 acres of land. Now me, my sister and brother own it. We are not about to give it to someone just because some loon doesn't want to work for their land. Sounds like you just want something for nothing. I will tell you something else... it is 2018. If you want to go back the way our ancestors lived... do you want to own slaves also? Do you want to have women treated like second class citizens?

[jacquesvol]

@Rissyanne Millions of these loons crossed the Atlantic, coming from Europe.
Later these loons went to the Mexican state of Texas, seized it and when the Mexican govt protested , the US army came.

[Rissyanne]

@jacquesvol So you want to steal like my property? Is that what you want? Well give me yours.

[Rissyanne]

@jacquesvol All this guy wants is something for free. He doesn't want to earn anything... just a hand out. And you are endorsing this.

[jacquesvol]

Well, isn't that what settlers did in America and Mexico?

[Rissyanne]

@jacquesvol I dont know what is wrong with you. You are stuck in the past. Do you have dementia? It is 2018. If you want to go back... do you want to own slaves? Do you want to take women's rights away? That's what they did back then.

[jacquesvol]

Applying the First Amendment:

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[jacquesvol]

@Rissyanne Wouldn't that Make America Great Again?

[Rissyanne]

@jacquesvol So you do have dementia. My mother does so I can spot it pretty good. She denies she has it also.

[Ayer93]

Actually I'm perfectly fine with a small area of land to live on. But being the adventurous person I am, I don't want to be restricted as to where I can go based on the money I have or because someone else owns a ridiculous amount of land. You talk about me just wanting a handout when you said yourself your daddy gave you a free handout. That wasn't your work. That was his. And no one should be able to own 45 acres of land. My uncle is included in this as he owns 180 acres of land. As much as I love my uncle I'm against anyone owning that much.

[Rissyanne]

You are crazy. My dad worked for that land so we could have it. That was his choice. What you are wanting to steal people's land. You must be a lazy socialist.

[Ayer93]

You think because you inherited land from your daddy that you deserve it? People that feel entitled like you don't deserve anything.

[Rissyanne]

It is not for you to say. That was my father’s choice. You or no one else have any right to it. Stop being lazy

[Kilamanjargo]

@rissyanne sounds like a typical capitalist reaping of the work of others. I'm sure your father had labour workers on that land who saw nothing for their hard work. If I'm working my ass off for the white man's land I deserve a piece from my labour.

[Rissyanne]

@Kilamanjargo You are... insane. He had a farm. And the only workers he had on that farm was me, my sister and brother and mother. We worked our ass off in the garden... raising cows, chickens and pigs. You dont know me. You are an idiot if you think we were rich... we werent. So get off your ass and work for a living instead of wanting everything for free.

[Ayer93]

Tbh this has nothing to do with being rich or not. No one should be entitled to that much land.

[Kilamanjargo]

@Rissyanne you're I don't know anything about you; and vice versa. Calling me a lazy individual is quite the assumption. Rich doesn't mean what you have in your bank account solely. However, your father owned land on a farm which is a step up from others. So in essence yes you were rich. People like you who were given everything get agitated when the working class raises their voices of oppression. There are immigrants who sell their labour to farm owners who in return abuse, rape, and exploit them. They get nothing in return for their labour whereas the bourgeoisie, such as yourself, reap the benefits.

[Ayer93]

@Kilamanjargo 👏

[Rissyanne]

@Kilamanjargo you are so full of shit. We weren’t rich. I say your lazy because you want everything for free. But now you can just fuck off

[jacquesvol]

Rissyanne Huh, getting personal again? Every time you can't answer you get personal.

[Rissyanne]

@jacquesvol I answered this idiot's question. And he made all these assumptions. Like we were rich. I bet he never had to butcher chickens or pull weeds out of a garden. Probably neither have you. And he got personal also... but you will defend him because he is a liberal. You defend liberals no matter what they do or say.

[jacquesvol]

@Rissyanne
"So you want to steal like my property? Is that what you want? " I'm not a WASP.

[stuntbrain]

Disagree