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I come from a very diverse city were pretty much half the population have Asian heritage. Most are very civilised and open minded but there are still the odd ones who are still very stuck in their way and have a different way of thinking usually it's the much more of the older generation who believe stuff like this is acceptable but most Asian especially young ones would probably feel very relieved or not be bothered at all by it.
I've actually had Asian friends make jokes about the whole incest thing and they make fun of the ones who are still acting like they've just came off the boat because not even in Asia do most Asians think like them anymore, popular western culture has caught up with them.
Coming from someone who has been raised and grew up with Asian people always around me and had very close bonds with i can tell you it would be very ignorant to paint them all with the same brush.
@Britantic Use the word travelers, not the G-word, that's offensive. Practice what you preach.
And travelers are white, I've seen some of them which are Irish, is Irish, not white? Why are you alienating them from your race?
Check your racism.
@SpiderManFan2002 see your targeting travellers now. They identify as a separate ethnic group recognised by the EU.
Honey, I am the liberal person ever. So I would appreciate it if you would stop inviting me to your ignorant ass questions. Incest and child marriage happens across all religions and ethnicities. Child marriage still exists in America and it's mainly religious cults that participate and uphold child marriage. People talk about the atrocities of Muslims raping women but these same people didn't give a shit when Brock Turner was caught red handed raping a woman, and he got six months. Brock Turner was later released at 3 months for good behavior.
Well said!, I genuinely think some of these idiots that ask these questions (and to be fair a good amount of the answerers) must have a ridiculously small social circle. I know many people of Pakistani origin (mainly 2nd/3rd generation) and these stupid steroptypes this asker mentions bares no relationship to the reality. Incest/child abuse/rape etc has no colour/no gender/no nationality... evil is just evil. And as a citizen of the UK if we want to (correctly) cut out incest then maybe we should look at the history of our Royal family first!
Pakistani immigrant population making up 1.5% of the British population, of whom about 50-70% marry a first cousin. In the 1980s researchers found that children to closely related Pakistani parents had an autosomal recessive condition rate of 4% compared to 0.1% for the European group. For example, Environment Minister (later Immigration Minister) Phil Woolas said in 2008, "If you have a child with your cousin the likelihood is there'll be a genetic problem" and that such marriages were the "elephant in the room". Physician Mohammad Walji has spoken out against the practice, saying that it is a "very significant" cause of infant death, and his practice has produced leaflets warning against it. However, Alan Bittles of the Centre for Comparative Genomics in Australia states that the risk of birth defects rises from roughly 2% in the general population to 4% for first cousins and therefore that "It would be a mistake to ban it".[154] Aamra Darr of the University of Leeds has also criticized what she called an "alarmist presentation of data" that exaggerates the risk.
A 2008 analysis of infant mortality in Birmingham showed that "South Asian" infants had twice the infant mortality rate and 3 times the rate of infant mortality due to congenital anomalies.
In one town 1,400 children, most of them white girls, had been sexually abused in Rotherham between 1997 and 2013 by predominantly British-Pakistani men
I'm sorry where did I ever say that I am for child marriage or incest? I just said there's plenty of hypocrisy
I can bring up similar reports about the amount of Child abuse that's occurred at the BBC, in the UK Government, in the Catholic church etc---but that is not my point. My point is people with a narrow minded social circle tend to have a narrow minded point of view. I have plenty of friends of all religions, cultures, ethnicity and what I've learnt by mixing with people is skin colour/religion/gender etc does not come with a predetermined set of values. You (the asker), are a f*cking idiot if you think nationality determines a persons nature. So go back to putting up your Tommy Robinson posters.
The government and the BBC were directly involved... not just covering up... Jimmy Saville, Rolf Harris, Dave Lee Travis--all presented top of the pops on the BBC... Cyril Smith, Frank Beck etc in politics... In fact your hero Stephen Yaxley-Lennon ( Why has that prick renamed himself Tommy Robinson?)-is a convicted paedophile? So I'm not talking about people covering things up, I'm saying all of these are evil bastards... and there not evil bastards because of the colour of their skin, or their birthplace, or their religion, or who they work for... they are evil bastards regardless.
@AndrewMG and yet that was still on the upper side of things and not years and years of young white girls being gang raped threatened and abused.
SJW's, Labour councillors, the papers, the BBC and police refused to call out these rapists as their skin was a different colour and their religion wasn't Christian. It's still going on right now.
Lets end this conversation because you are clearly too thick too understand the level of evil the members of the BBC and members of parliament (By the way all predominantly White) were perpetrating on children for the last 100+ years... when will you realise evil does not have a race/a religion/a nationality... evil has existed for 1000's of years. What happened in Rotherham was horrific.. and I hope the offenders pay the full price, but they were just evil bastards... race/religion/nationality didn't make them commit there crimes, it was the simple fact they were evil bastards that led them to that!
The point he is trying to make is that evil has no religion or certain skin color. No it's not as bad as Rotherham. The US prefers children be shot while they're at school and rapists get away with rape even when they're caught in the act. Yes that happens all over the world but if you're going to criticize other religions, remember that the US still has a lot of work to do.
I'm not saying that we should turn a blind eye to it. I'm just saying there's plenty of hypocrisy. Holy fuck how many times have I made that point? So asking, oh no what will Pakistani's do if incest and child marriage is made illegal? is particularly disgusting. Especially since there are other groups that engage in it more.
Google is wonderful tool. I suggest you use it and keep the condescending, bitchy attitude to yourself.
No shit Sherlock I said that. Then use it.
You should really learn to stop interfering in the people lives,
I am getting really tried of putting up this EVERY PERSON Have right to whatever they want and marry ANYONE. The Christianity got nothing to do with the rules and regulation in any secular country and you can't use 40 year old paper to defend the Modern statics.
If they are born with defects and are inbreed than Why did their fertility is at-least double ours?
Why their population have not declined due to the defects cuz its a huge fucking lie with no scientific basis to it.
The Muslim fertility rate and health status is top in the world and if we go by your rules of 60% cousin marriage then they are really nailing it cuz its actually better than our system cuz their rate is 3.8 with sperm fertility rate at 3.9 while we are at 1.25(50% below normal) while they are 50% above normal.
Their fertility is so high because they're more poor, less educated and women lack freedoms in a social sense.
Dude I mention the Sperm fertility rate of the west 50% below normal... I don't understand your shit theory cuz it go nothing to do with the contraception. If someone don't use the contraception doesn't imply he is uneducated or anything down that line.
www.theatlantic.com/.../
dude get your facts straight we are using processed food and industrial products with alcohol and its responsible for every sort of disease in Eu. If you believe that contraception are indication of someone education then,
I am student of MBBS (Doc) 4th year and I hate contraception and prefer the pull-out method and I know a lot more about medical field than your entire gen right now. They are simply better than us accept the fucking truth cuz 90% of "sperm banks" are persuading gov to somehow force them to donate Sperm on weekly basis.
I can back-up my claims with 2016-19 research papers respected by scientific community and low birth rate is huge problem for us cuz our schools are empty. The renaming young gen (like us) is more interested in alcohol and fucking shit than our health and we even exercise to attract mates with no regards to healthy stature like Guys trying to beat Arnold
Most wouldn't care and obey the law. There's still benefits staying like keeping a high paid job and the friends you've already made there. In addition moving out would be too much of a hassle. If they didn't like the law, they could probably move to another country.
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I'm just not sure why there aren't more white guys knocking up pakistani women, I guess is my problem with the entire scenario in question? I've long been a strong supporter of Senator J. Bulworth.
Marrying your cousin is legal in the state of Maryland, and itâs mostly white people who do it.
Britantic, why do you care? Pakistanis are paying tax in America, they are contributing to the economy and workforce. We can't interfere in their personal lives. Otherwise, they can also speak against a lot of things that will trigger you like LGBT, open relationships, fornication, teenage pregnancy
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I agree. I know youâre not particularly religious but Isaac and Rebekah in the Bible were cousins. Scripture doesnât forbid marrying cousins as it does other family relations. So like you I have no desire to marry one of my cousins, but I donât think it should be illegal.
That said Britantic is exactly correct as the off spring of cousins does have much higher risks for birth defects. So there in lies a problem. How many cousins will have children with birth defects in Britain, then seek to utilize social programs? So. If immigrants to a country are more likely to engage in this and Iâd suspect seek government assistance as well for their offspring that are born deformed... I canât see that as being good for Britain. Granted thatâs just speculation but the way Europe is rolling out the red carpet for refugees.., itâs no longer the engineers, doctors and scientists that are emigrating, but often the lowest of the low who in turn often enough become a weight the rest of the people of Britain must carry. This I canât see as fair.
I don't know how the liberal mind works. People flee shit-hole countries in hopes of finding a better life. I can completely understand that. But when they get to a better country, they go out of their way to turn it into the shit-hole they fled from.
Once they gain the majority in Parliament, you're all fucked. Tolerance will prove to be your own worst enemy.
They would probably just continue doing it anyway. It represents the aimlessness of the human race, and the desire to just 'do what you want' overrides foresight, common sense, and the desire to make the future better for all. It's why this world is as messed up as it is.
As a Pakistani girl do you know what I would do?
Not care at all, it doesn't concern me.
@Britantic No, are your parents racist?
So you think all Pakistanis are the same? One girl's situation doesn't speak for the whole community.
Do you think just taking that one girl in now gives you the right to stereotype every other Pakistani you meet?
"Well I can't be racist against Pakistanis my family took one in"
It doesn't work like that. If you're using that one girl to stereotype all other Pakistanis then that's pretty racist.
Yes and you can't be racist against white people because you have white friends. These Pakistani abusers though a minority have committed a disproportionate amount of racist sexual violence on white girls. Please stop trying to dismiss and cover up the rape culture among the Pakistani community, we White girls will not be silenced anymore not by you or rape appololgist Naz Shah.
I'm not being racist against white people, because not all of them say what you say, I'm calling you specifically out for being racist and it has nothing to do with your ethnicity it has everything to do with your words. Had you been a black girl, or an Asian girl, or even a Pakistani girl I'd be saying the same things.
I'm not covering up anything, because rapists don't care who they rape they target vulnerable girls of any ethnic background. Nazir Afzal made sure those girls were brought to justice.
I'll admit it, there is a problem with Pakistani grooming gangs, as well as there is a problem with the fact that white men make up 90% of the sex offenders register and there is a problem that 10% of other people make up that same, sex offenders register.
We need to get them all off of our streets, and we need to ensure all young people are safe from it.
And you want to know where it really needs to start? Give the police more funding, they weren't crying wolf, they were crying for help.
@Britantic Is it though? Because I always hear them on the news say 'the Pakistani man' or 'the *ethnic background* man' but I never hear them saying "The white man"
It doesn't matter if 85% of British men are white, it doesn't even matter who makes up the sex offender register but it's a fact that 90% of the sex offender register consists of white men and 10% of the sex offender register consists of men of other ethnicities. That shouldn't matter.
Rather than gawping at their race, and pointing the finger at the whole community people should just get them off the street because a sex offender is a sex offender regardless of ethnic background. They're going to hurt vulnerable people, so why waste energy focusing on their race? Why don't we focus on what is important?
Their crime and getting them off our streets so the people of this country can walk safely and our parents don't have to worry every single time we leave the house?
What does matter is that Pakistani men are disproportionately overepresented when it comes to sex crimes which shows that there is a rape culture in the Pakistani community much like the one in Pakistan.
This is about cousin marraige. Pakistanis despite making up only 1.5% present of the British population pakistani infants had twice the infant mortality rate and 3 times the rate of infant mortality due to congenital anomalies.
There is no rape culture in our community. People who happen to be apart of the Pakistani community may commit such sick acts but that has no place in our culture or community.
As I have said countless times 90% of the sex offenders register consists of white men. Is there a culture of sexual offence in the white community?
White gypsies also have cousin marriage. They're white and you're white, so should I ask if your parents are cousins?
Pakistani rapists return to their families, mosques and are accepted back into the Pakistani community their only crime being getting caught. 90% consistently represents white demographics in the UK where as Pakistanis are over represented.
They prefer to be called travellers, gypsy is an offensive racist oppressive term so check your racism. Cousin marraige has negative effects on the traveller community too.
@Britantic I apologise, I genuinely didn't know that term was offensive. I've just seen that term used a lot around places I'm sure there's a show called something like "my big fat gypsy wedding". I apologise I did not intend to be racist, and I won't cause offence again I'll call them travelers.
But do you understand by assuming my parents were cousins, you were also being racist? Can I have an apology? Aren't you going to check your racism?
Yes, that is true, but often their families and the mosque don't know about their crime, and when they find out they are shunned by the whole Muslim and Pakistani community.
For example, someone's cousin went around harassing a bunch of girls near the city college. So Pakistani teens came out and they started playing football near the college where the girls were getting harassed to protect the girls being harassed. The girls used to have a laugh with the Pakistani men who played football, and even join in with them. One of those Pakistani men who played football was actually a cousin of one of the guys who were harassing the girls, but the Pakistani man who was playing football didn't know at the time, and when he found out that one of the harassers was his own cousin, he was sickened and shunned the cousin completely as did the majority of the Pakistani community. True story.
I really don't know but frankly, that's gross
Cousins share 12.5% of the same DNA
Even 2nd cousins still share 3.13% of the same DNA
Yea but the article says about 1st cousin marriages..
Is incest legal in Britain? And cousin marriage?
I donât know enough about the situation to offer an intelligent comment.
Gypsies. Now thereâs a special lot of people. I truly find it hard not to be racist regarding them but find it impossible. They will literally steal anything not nailed down and lie and con like no other. It must be a cultural thing as opposed to race. This has been my experience with literally every gypsy Iâve ever encountered.
Incest is vile.
Gypsies are absolute finacial geniuses. Like they pay no tax, utilities, pay for nothing yet when you see them they are all driving dance new mercedes and new transit vans, they live in caravans but somewhere they actuall own a house or two. Of course they keep the bangers for their " work". They work every angle, they pull up to st Vincent De Paul's and get free clothes. They committ crimes and the cops can never catch them because they just skip town and of course they all have near enough the same name, look the same and have alibis. Then of course if they actually do get into trouble there's always a bleeding heart Muppet who thinks that soceity is oppressing the gypsies and their Roma lifestyle.
Our stupid council built about 20 bungalows for them to make their lives better but their wrecked, pulled all the copper wire out of the walls, took the lead and slates from the roof, broke all the windows, pulled out the fitted kitchens, sold the appliances they were given and then demanded the council fix the place which the council did 3 times before they told them to piss off.
Scum of the earth, I'm sure you know yourself.
Haha. Yes! Iâm American, and the few encounters Iâve had with Gypsies... what you just described fits the model exactly.
Yes, what they do works. It is however vile.
This is why I hope liberalism spreads far and wide. See. You and I can try to talk sense to people and educate them, but the bleeding heart muppets donât listen. It takes the bungalows to get destroyed 3 times before it dawns on them âahhh, maybe those conservatives arenât such racist a holes and are on to something.â Well the more liberalism spreads, hopefully these morons will see first hand what they apparently canât otherwise grasp. So maybe instead of trying to inform and educate people and talk common sense, maybe you and I should help spread rampant liberalism more. Then when all thatâs left is a society full of degenerates and people are starving because theyâve been taxed to death to provide things like bungalows for gypsies who will only exploit things... well maybe when it gets bad enough the light bulbs will go on and people will finally say: âmaybe importing foreign nationals with completely different values isnât so smartâ after everyoneâs daughter has been gang raped or been disfigured from acid attacks. See maybe we just need society to descend into complete liberalism and then living with the consequences of promoting degeneracy and foolishness will help the âspecialâ ones amongst us to see the error in their ways.
@Britantic Wait a minute... Why are you using the G-word when you told me that it was offensive. I will never ever use the G-word again because they prefer to be called travelers right? Check your racism, please.
Frankly speaking i dont get this concept of marrying amongst family but nobody can do anything about it, its being done from past 100's of years
They wouldn't care, they're muslim, they raped thousands of girls without any problem, do you think spitting again on the British law would be a problem for them?
They would just groom more English girls
I don't know why or who allowed all these savages into England.
But they should be hung up on a lamp-post along with the rest of "elected" officials
LOL. "Groom"
It makes me think they are giving them a makeover
^LOL
@ZeussLightningBolt Thats the point, thats why the media uses that term to describe drugging and prostituting girls.
@GuidoThePizzaMaker I think he meant like brushing their hair.
@Jamie05rhs I get it, but I am pointing out that the language they use is a euphemism.
Grooming always brings up images of combing or brushing hair. Not drug abuse, sexual abuse, and kidnap
Yeah whatever, like grooming a dog. But I don't know how you can brush a girl, so I didn't know how to word it. LOL
But why the fuck did they call it that? Why not just say "rape"?
Seriously? Brits have some weirdass slang! LOL
When Tommy Robinson first said, "Grooming Gangs" I didn't know what the hell he was talking about.
@ZeussLightningBolt I think it's because "grooming" essentially means "preparing".
@ZeussLightningBolt Manipulating manage is crucial to controlling information.
Wish the Brits would just take the law into their own hands, because their government isn't doing it.
"manage"?
@Jamie05rhs *Language
sorry my phone screen got cracked so its hard to type
Ahh.
It will never be banned. In a democratic country, people are allowed to marry whoever they want to. The government has no right to interfere in people's personal lives.
Pakistani immigrant population making up 1.5% of the British population, of whom about 50-70% marry a first cousin. In the 1980s researchers found that children to closely related Pakistani parents had an autosomal recessive condition rate of 4% compared to 0.1% for the European group. For example, Environment Minister (later Immigration Minister) Phil Woolas said in 2008, "If you have a child with your cousin the likelihood is there'll be a genetic problem" and that such marriages were the "elephant in the room". Physician Mohammad Walji has spoken out against the practice, saying that it is a "very significant" cause of infant death, and his practice has produced leaflets warning against it. However, Alan Bittles of the Centre for Comparative Genomics in Australia states that the risk of birth defects rises from roughly 2% in the general population to 4% for first cousins and therefore that "It would be a mistake to ban it".[154] Aamra Darr of the University of Leeds has also criticized what she called an "alarmist presentation of data" that exaggerates the risk.
A 2008 analysis of infant mortality in Birmingham showed that "South Asian" infants had twice the infant mortality rate and 3 times the rate of infant mortality due to congenital anomalies.
you are pathetic
Stop interfering in the lives of Muslims, they can marry whoever they want to and they can wear whatever they want to. My parents are also cousins and nothing is wrong with me or my siblings. I am British Pakistani and even though I will not marry my cousin but those who want to can marry their cousin. White people's opinions don't matter. White people also do a lot of things that we don't agree with like teenage pregnancy outside marriage, fornication, illegitimate children, open relationships.
So, Britanic this is not about cousin marriage but racism because I read your other questions, which are extremely racist. What about Kashmiri women being raped? What about Muslims killed in Iraq, Palestine, Syria, Yemen, Libya and Burma? Muslims are also victims of terrorism and rapes. Your race stole oil and gold in Iraq and Libya.
Are you saying cousin marraige is a racial thing that only Pakistanis, Indians and Arabs do?
Yes it's terrible in Kashmir how underage girls are kidnapped, forced to get married and raped on their wedding night by Pakistani muslim men. Yes it's horrible how Muslims kill other Muslims in Iraq, Palestine, Syria, Yemen, Libya and Burma. Muslims are also victims of terrorism and rapes by other muslims, in most of these countries you mention if a woman walks alone unescorted by a family member then Muslim men feel they have the right to rape and gang rape her.
We buy oil, paid for with money. China currently buys Iraq oil. Gold is a worthless metal with its value tied to the amount mined every year which is strictly controlled so gold can retain its value.
I feel as though people would find a way around it, pretty much like all of human history, someone finds a loophole to everything.
Probably riot, rape, and murder. Thats how these things tend to go now.
You're implying that Pakistanis in Britain give a shit about infidel English laws to begin with.
Rampant immigration isn't benefiting any country. Either continent.
Continue doing it. We have laws against the mass rape of thirteen year olds. Didn't stop them in Rotherham.
They'd probably do it anyway and kill anyone that opposed them. They ARE taking over England!
Back then was worse Royal blood had to stay âPureâ so they had brother and sister get married and inherit the throne and have babies to pass the throne after theyâve deceased
Yeah people are still weird đ€ź you canât always have the same blood line it needs to be mixed and form new immune offsprings with new blood inherit new looks or w. e
Pakistanis are noob i guess, the do new things every now and then..
Why is incest and cousin marriage even legal?
Isn't it outlawed already? Also I think that the Pakistanis don't do a lot of that stuff.
I've been saying for a really long time that most of England is inbred, at last some solid evidence.
lol its just not Pakistani but many other Muslim countries
They would do it illegally.
They may even fight for rights as minority!!!
isn't it obvious?
Can Britain impose civil law on people who observe religion other than Christianity?
They would become gay.
Really lol? I had no idea.
They will start raping other women, Pakistani and Indian men are known for raping and murdering.
They would either hide or have to adjust
Are you thinking about marrying your cousin?
Probably do it anyway.
Not a Palistan thing but a muslim thing
Theyd claim cultural religious bollox or something
People in Alabama do alright. It'll be fine.
Sure. Why not.
Uh, its not the Black people in the deep south, its white trash
@Waffles731 ... seems bigotted.
Ita simply true
And I don't use the term lightly, I'm not talking about poor whites, my mom grew up poor and white and experienced both urban and rural varieties. I'm not talking about white working poor or working class.
I'm talking about the ones who really are trash and often incredibly racist and lazy, or do things like make, deal, or use meth or other hardcore drugs.
@Waffles731 Most of the inbreeding in the United States happens in very small, very isolated communities that are by and large white. So I think it's better to say isolated people do the incest, and those communities don't like black folk much.
Well then the Queen would to get divorced...
No, the closest they have found is second cousins.
She is simultaneously, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th cousins with her husband.
Which is all sorts of fucked up
they would probably keep doing it anyway
Either follow the law or not follow it.
They'd certainly do something
Leave hopefully
They would continiue
Leave the country 😂
They'd move away.
Stop? I'm guessing?
Claim racism
Don't know
don't know
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