Should the UK ban Cousin's from Marrying or would that be racist or Islamaphobic as some claim?

[Redhead999]

https://youtu.be/02JBNwHlFKw

Yes it should be banned

No that would racist

No that would be Islamaphobic

No that would be both racist and Islamaphobic

A total of 12 votes were cast: 6 girls and 6 guys. See detailed results

[DaveJord]

So did some research on this in regards to another question weeks back. So there is 1% greater chance that when cousin have kids that child will be born with genetic deflects among Europeans. This is because the Western Culture has deterred the practice for centuries, so when the event that cousins to marry the gene pool has been relatively diversified.

But in some Middle Eastern Countries it very common place for first cousins to marry due to cultural influences... so in some countries the odds are increase to as much as 18% to 30% chance due to centuries of cousins marrying cousins, who then again have cousin marrying cousins and not diversifying the gene pool. So the impacts of such law would disproportionately affect Islamic nationals or immigrants.

But with that said, if they are living in a Western country and become citizens of said country, then they should be seeking to assimilate to there new cultural environment. Because with socialized medicine the impacts and costs of birth defects that could of otherwise been avoided has a economic impact on the system. But again... how many of immigrants are coming with cousins nieces and nephews all within the same family cluster? Not many so I still voted D.

[Redhead999]

It's pretty huge actually. A 2008 analysis of infant mortality in Birmingham showed that South Asian infants had twice the normal infant mortality rate and three times the usual rate of infant mortality due to congenital anomalies.

[DaveJord]

Twice the the normal as in 1% to 2% or 30% to 60%?

[Redhead999]

Pakistani immigrant population making up 1.5% of the British population, of whom about 50-70% marry a first cousin. In the 1980s researchers found that children to closely related Pakistani parents had an autosomal recessive condition rate of 4% compared to 0.1% for the European group. For example, Environment Minister (later Immigration Minister) Phil Woolas said in 2008, "If you have a child with your cousin the likelihood is there'll be a genetic problem" and that such marriages were the "elephant in the room". Physician Mohammad Walji has spoken out against the practice, saying that it is a "very significant" cause of infant death, and his practice has produced leaflets warning against it. However, Alan Bittles of the Centre for Comparative Genomics in Australia states that the risk of birth defects rises from roughly 2% in the general population to 4% for first cousins and therefore that "It would be a mistake to ban it". Aamra Darr of the University of Leeds has also criticized what she called an "alarmist presentation of data" that exaggerates the risk.
A 2008 analysis of infant mortality in Birmingham showed that "South Asian" infants had twice the infant mortality rate and 3 times the rate of infant mortality due to congenital anomalies.

[DaveJord]

Yes all true. But as they get into 2nd to 3rd generation immigrants they usually become more assimilated. Like you said its less than 1.5% of the total population so your talking about a very, very, very small segment... so any such law would be disproportionately pointed at a very small portion of the population and could be construed as discriminatory.

I am not promoting the process or saying you're wrong, I am only making the point.

[Redhead999]

But they aren't assimilating 2nd or 3rd generation. That's the point.

[jshm2]

That map is opposite way round.

MOST Americans marry their cousins and half siblings. It's why they're barely a people.

As for the banning of cousin marriage, it actually isn't permissible in Islam or Judaism to marry into direct cousins anyway.

Thus it's probably to stop Americans breeding in the UK, and being a burden on the health service with all their disabilities.

[Redhead999]

It's generally ilegal in thd US and frowned upon. In Britain its really just Muslims that do it and is well documented. The map is accurate.
https://youtu.be/PZ3---napZI

[lrina]

most? uh no, most americans look down on incest so that's not even accurate.

[WonderBell99]

I find it odd that in many cultures people marry their cousins. I can’t ever imagine marrying my cousin because I grew up with them.. and it’s just eww to me. I’m not judging others, but why are they marrying within the family when they could marry someone who’s not blood related to them? Wouldn’t that be less awkward? Besides, more genetic variation is always good for the offspring.

In my humble opinion, it is not islamaphobic. I don’t think the Quran mandates people to marry their cousin. It’s their choice. You have to follow the laws of the country you’re living in. If you do not like the country, you can move out and migrate to some other country that suits your needs and requirements.

It’s the government’s choice. I don’t have an opinion on this matter. I couldn’t care less about what other people do as long as they are not harming anyone.

[Redhead999]

Cousin marraige is perfectly legal in the UK, it was never banned because you just don't do that. Last time this kinda thing was an issue was when American singer Jerry Lee Lewis turned up with his married 15 year old bride who turned out to be 13.

[WonderBell99]

I thought the age of consent in the UK is 16? Besides, how could someone marry a person without parental consent? That too, the consent is valid only if both the parties are at least 16.

[Redhead999]

He was an American, he was already married. He was bigger than elvis at the time set to set the uk on fire during his tour and then that came out when he was here, destroyed his career and embarrassed America.
https://youtu.be/P_0_nXbmAhM

[WonderBell99]

Yikes. That sucks. Why would a grown ass man marry a 14 year old child? Thats disgusting and he should’ve been jailed.

[Bratsondanielle]

Of course it should be banned. If islamists or muslims or whatever get pissed about this then give them a ticket back to the country they came from.

[htmndg183]

I oppose it. Im Pakistani. Fortunately i am not a product of cousin marriage. Marriage is supposed to be something that unites 2 families and bring people closer. So why keep it within the family? That way won't people poke their nose into every single matter?

[True_Sage]

What about just "No i don't really care what people do" as an option?
it's not racist or islamophobic and those bait terms are pretty lazy and trashily used by annoying woke far left idiots.

[NamerOfStars]

The main reason to ban it is to prevent genetic problems. You're not actually likely to SEE those problems until three or four generations of the practice have passed, but "you can't do that because it squicks me out" is a bad legal precedent to set. But wedding practices have nothing to do with race, and more with culture than religion.

[True_Sage]

@NamerOfStars yes. i totally agree with that assessment. technically it does take a few generations to have a meaningful probability of problems... though not every family has multiple rare recessive genes that would cause a problem. it's not deterministically going to reproduce some old UK royal family traits.

... i feel natural social pressure against it without legal intervention is sufficient. it will self-regulate.

[Xhuy_006]

Regardless people are weird but genetically speaking it should be banned

[SignedAutographs]

It's only wrong, if they're blood related. Because it produces fucked up kids

[Anonymous]

Islam itself is a digusting pagan cult. Islam should be banned.

[Bklynbadboy12]

Wow that's really a no Brainer cousin shouldn't date and they damn sure shouldn't get married

[Fuentes]

That is gross lol