Police in the UK are reassuring people that if they seek medical help for mental health, they won't necessarily lose their guns. Now I'm sure we all agree some mental health issues like being a psychopath should rule you out from having a gun. But what about things like stress, depression or anxiety?
I reckon yes because you can end up using your gun as an emotional support crutch and when your minds in the wrong place and you feel provoked it's easy to snap.
Thoughts, would you give up your gun if you had mental problems?
When should people with mental health issues give up their guns?
The ultimate decision might boil down to where you stand on suicide. In the US, the vast majority of firearms related deaths are suicides. If you think people should have the right to choose how to live and how to die, then the vast majority of mental health issues are of no concern to the general public. Families and close friends of those people can intervene if they think the guns make a person a danger to themselves. Government need not be involved at all. Obviously we want to restrict access to weapons of any kind for people who have demonstrated violent tendencies toward others. Especially if they are a repeat offender. There are other questions to ask though, for the sake of a just society. Can we take weapons that are protected by law from mentally unstable people? The sikh who recently murdered a kid in cold blood had a history of questionable behavior, but somehow nobody questioned his right to carry a deadly weapon until after he killed someone. Why? Because mental health is only an issue where firearms are concerned? There is evidence that Digwa was equally obsessed with guns. Or because “religious” rights supersede the public’s rights to safety and security? Or because none of it matters unless it can be weaponized for political gain? It’s interesting how much flat out antisocial behavior is being ignored just because violent offenders don’t have guns. But the POSSIBILITY that a law abiding gun owner could turn a firearm on themselves or others is absolutely bone chilling to the same people ignoring actual criminals.
I own a firearm license and those cyclic psychological tests aren't especially extensive. If a person doesn’t have a thick folder of psychiatric problems, it's unlikely their firearm license will be revoked. By the way, every psycho can buy an black powder revolver or rifle without any registration or license here. Those cal.45 cold revolver replicas are deadly like a modern 10mm pistol and somehow I don't need to run in ballistic west on the streets. On the other hand, situation can change after Ukrainian conflict is over and illegal firearms seep over boarder in entire EU.
Someone with mental health issues will never spontaneously give up their gun (s) if ever they own some. If you have in mind suicide, never forget that a person willing to kill themselves will always find a way, and all in all, generally only one person is involved. No offence meant.
The real problem in my opinion is whether such a mental health issues person will not have the stupid idea to perform some mass shooting event. Impossible to really predict, but very plausible, and I have sincerely no idea how to prevent such events.
Anyway, how would you detect such a person? Many people seem perfectly normal, until something unexpected happens...
In the US we believe in a mentally ill person's right to commit mass shootings. If there are less than a dozen school kids dead at the scene, the cops won't even respond. If it isn't a white male's 3rd or more mass shooting they are released with a stern warning and much finger wagging.
I'm surprised that you inject yourself into the question! I thought for sure you would tell us how you "took bullets" for dozens of kids during a school shooting! And if it wasn't for you, hundreds if children would have died! Just a days work for you! So midest.
Thanks for the rent free space I occupy in your brain MAGA boy. But I don't think I'd ever want to live in that confused shithole that is your mind. And you're the one wearing the gay cop uniform. I'd think you'd be the one out there cheering on the next White male mass shooter. Sorry if that hits a nerve for your kind but White male mass shooters are a truth.
If you volunteer to get mental health help you should be able to keep them period. If the government forces you to go get medical help then they should be taken after you have gotten to defend you position. Problem is have seen this be forced on people that had no mental problems to begin with just simply because a person with the authority to start the process didn't like the person or doesn't like their political ideals.
Its a very complicated topic. I really hate preventative actions because most the time they never done anything to anyone.
I'm pretty sure if I was a pyscho I would want to let go of my mental support crutch. Beside if there was a brand new PM, I'd want to see how he went for a bit first.
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The ultimate decision might boil down to where you stand on suicide. In the US, the vast majority of firearms related deaths are suicides. If you think people should have the right to choose how to live and how to die, then the vast majority of mental health issues are of no concern to the general public. Families and close friends of those people can intervene if they think the guns make a person a danger to themselves. Government need not be involved at all.
Obviously we want to restrict access to weapons of any kind for people who have demonstrated violent tendencies toward others. Especially if they are a repeat offender.
There are other questions to ask though, for the sake of a just society. Can we take weapons that are protected by law from mentally unstable people? The sikh who recently murdered a kid in cold blood had a history of questionable behavior, but somehow nobody questioned his right to carry a deadly weapon until after he killed someone. Why? Because mental health is only an issue where firearms are concerned? There is evidence that Digwa was equally obsessed with guns. Or because “religious” rights supersede the public’s rights to safety and security? Or because none of it matters unless it can be weaponized for political gain?
It’s interesting how much flat out antisocial behavior is being ignored just because violent offenders don’t have guns. But the POSSIBILITY that a law abiding gun owner could turn a firearm on themselves or others is absolutely bone chilling to the same people ignoring actual criminals.
I own a firearm license and those cyclic psychological tests aren't especially extensive. If a person doesn’t have a thick folder of psychiatric problems, it's unlikely their firearm license will be revoked.
By the way, every psycho can buy an black powder revolver or rifle without any registration or license here. Those cal.45 cold revolver replicas are deadly like a modern 10mm pistol and somehow I don't need to run in ballistic west on the streets.
On the other hand, situation can change after Ukrainian conflict is over and illegal firearms seep over boarder in entire EU.
Someone with mental health issues will never spontaneously give up their gun (s) if ever they own some. If you have in mind suicide, never forget that a person willing to kill themselves will always find a way, and all in all, generally only one person is involved. No offence meant.
The real problem in my opinion is whether such a mental health issues person will not have the stupid idea to perform some mass shooting event. Impossible to really predict, but very plausible, and I have sincerely no idea how to prevent such events.
Anyway, how would you detect such a person? Many people seem perfectly normal, until something unexpected happens...
In the US we believe in a mentally ill person's right to commit mass shootings. If there are less than a dozen school kids dead at the scene, the cops won't even respond. If it isn't a white male's 3rd or more mass shooting they are released with a stern warning and much finger wagging.
I'm surprised that you inject yourself into the question! I thought for sure you would tell us how you "took bullets" for dozens of kids during a school shooting! And if it wasn't for you, hundreds if children would have died! Just a days work for you! So midest.
@Twodogs0525,
Thanks for the rent free space I occupy in your brain MAGA boy. But I don't think I'd ever want to live in that confused shithole that is your mind. And you're the one wearing the gay cop uniform. I'd think you'd be the one out there cheering on the next White male mass shooter. Sorry if that hits a nerve for your kind but White male mass shooters are a truth.
If you volunteer to get mental health help you should be able to keep them period. If the government forces you to go get medical help then they should be taken after you have gotten to defend you position. Problem is have seen this be forced on people that had no mental problems to begin with just simply because a person with the authority to start the process didn't like the person or doesn't like their political ideals.
Its a very complicated topic. I really hate preventative actions because most the time they never done anything to anyone.
I'm pretty sure if I was a pyscho I would want to let go of my mental support crutch. Beside if there was a brand new PM, I'd want to see how he went for a bit first.
Absolutely, no guns for people with mental disabilities
If you’re mentally ill and have problems, absolutely hand your Guns over Immediately. Depressed people shoot schools up if they’re mentally ill
People who just got off antidepressants shouldn’t have guns, they go bat shit
People with mental health issues, should not own guns at all. In fact, no one should.
Everyone else right away, but myself should be allowed naturally
Hey now, I have aspd. y'all are welcome to them if you can manage to kill me.
those are lies, the UK is arresting people for memes.
Well, most gun deaths in the US are suicides.
The needs everyone to give up their guns so they'll be easier to kill
As song as they have mantle problem. They tend to turn it themselves.
the UK has so much fucked up laws its unreal.
After they get released from the mental hospital.
YESTERDAY !!!