When will people stop defending guns?

[ChefPapiChulo]

I can't fucking stand gun nuts.

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i wonder if people are aware that guns aren't people but objects? so stop using that stupid strawman fallacy.

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en.wikipedia.org/.../Nazi_gun_control_argument

[TheMajesticKing777]

Criminals will always have guns, if you think banning guns for civilians is smart than you are the one with the pea brain, banning firearms will do absolutely nothing besides leave civilians defenseless against criminals with guns, if you can give me a proper solution that will take guns away from criminals then I'd love to hear it but until then, you are talking nonsense and have unrealistic views, I'd love to see what you would do if an armed intruder breaks into your home and assaults you and your family, I can at the very least protect my family, blaming an object is very simple minded, and banning firearms now is completely useless and stupid considering that there's millions of firearms that are in the hands of criminals, if you don't like the laws, move to England, don't think is all perfect because they have knife crimes instead of guns, crime will always be a problem and school shootings only happen because parents don't keep an eye on their children and aren't involved in their lives, their mentality to walk into a school and kill people is a mental illness and just how they used guns, they can use any other weapon, the core of the problem is mental illness not polymer and metal.

[zyxacb]

Short version: when you're ready to discuss the very real issue of government tyranny, repeated many times as evidenced in history - you're arrogantly asking others to stop defending guns (support your view) without any effort to understand (or even tolerate) another's position - your central theme: "it's all about me. Everyone conform to my beliefs. I don't care about yours, because I decide they're not valid."

[Nobodycares]

@zyxacb I agree that trying to ban guns is punching down at the very people that ought to be lifted up. That is, "the workers" that socialists pretend to care about.

[lightbulb27]

Wonder if there are demographic/cultural commonalities to problems with violence?

Where I grew up, guns in every man's cabinet... very low crime... they were used to hunt and protect and show pieces. families were responsible, never talk of hurting anyone or threatening. The problem is culture... not guns.

One approach is to remove the gun... but why not address the underlying cultural problems... or is that too complicated? I think we'd have more success in the end defending the family institution, good values and morals.. discipline. Criminals don't follow laws.

Take away guns from all, you've got the risks Germans and Chinese had before they were executed in mass. XX, XXX, XXX million murdered is not good either.

[lightbulb27]

awful to see such destruction. answer, probably not going to happen in USA.
not long ago had an invasion of family property...10 thugs come to steal stuff, defunded police took 45 min to show up with crime in progress. Whose gonna defend our lives if not armed against armed thugs?

[ChefPapiChulo]

Nonsense a

[ChefPapiChulo]

All that you said is a bunch of buzzwords and biased.

[lightbulb27]

personal experience is not nonsense, it's reality. solve my problem first... how to defend against 10 thugs invading my property. there are many solutions...

[ChefPapiChulo]

10 thugs? You’re the thug here throwing around insults.

[ChefPapiChulo]

And threats.

[lightbulb27]

10 thugs. 10 people dressed with hoods and masks invaded property, broke into facility (causing $$$$ damage), stole property... and had no rights to any of it. Some were armed. Thats a thug in my definition. people who mean to do harm and don't respect others. How is it offensive to label someone what they are? How would you label the 10 people we encountered described above?

[ChefPapiChulo]

a lot of the gun you can buy aren't even good for home defense.

[lightbulb27]

I answered your question and you evaded mine. what do you call people who did what they did? can't ask me to remove my protection (gun) without offering a solution first.
some of the guns are, even small ones... as long as have right to use it without fear. it's balance of power against corrupt humans. that's the concept.
granted, it's awful to see what corrupt humans will do with a gun and they can do a lot of damage in short time. gun constraints are valid. difficulty is... criminals/gangs (bully personalities) don't obey laws., they don't obey order and they don't care about others. you have to solve that first.
that's frustrating but the truth. I'm all ears for solutions to put thugs/criminals/gangs away and prevent their creation.

[ChefPapiChulo]

"a lot of the guns you can buy aren't even good for home defense."

[ChefPapiChulo]

Well i dont know what your argument is "it's balance of power against corrupt humans." Like what the fuck? what is a "corrupt human"? And its not always criminals who use guns to kill others. The fact is, guns are easy to access for anyone, which means more people who would use it to harm others will use it to harm others.

Come back when you can make a point buddy.

[lightbulb27]

all humans are corrupt and selfish... we'll the majority. The consitution gives rights to gun and you know why.
If no guns are allowed, then who is going to protect... the 90yr old lady against an intruder that will ruin her life? Answer... the police. but they aren't always available. So it's up to her to have sufficient power to counter the strength of say... a 20yr old male who doesn't care about her. Thus, a gun is the balance of power. She could use a dog as well. you must solve the 90yr old womans problem before taking her gun away.
Even if you do, yo've got problems with governments... Mao, Hitler and others. There's just no way those guns are going away... That makes you feel sad, I don't love it, I don't want to see people hurt. But guns aren't the problem or solution.
Do you have another solution?

you want everyone to be happy in a big loving world and merily get along. Don't want any suffering. Sounds great, please design your world

[lightbulb27]

to be clear, his guy should not have had a gun and should have been in jail and more. what a stupid society.

apnews.com/.../covid-health-shootings-prisons-arrests-26a5da7716f51d24cce3f12eadf09523

[lightbulb27]

in case haven't communicated what a "thug" is. It's this behavior...
www.foxnews.com/.../maryland-senior-citizen-assaulted-suspects-attempted-car-jacking

The old woman screaming is not a thug. Note... I cannot discern race, race not relevant... in case you were going there.
The opposite of thug is... nice person.

Ask yourself... should this woman be allowed to carry a weapon and defend herself? If not, then what are the valid options for her to defend herself? result is 2 broken bones in this case... she will live, but may never live the same.

[Gigi2019]

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[Nobodycares]

It seems like you'd rather argue in bad faith and throw around insults, than have a real discussion about real issues.

[Nobodycares]

A human who steals money that is supposed to go somewhere else is a corrupt human. Humans who want to exploit their positions of power. Humans who want to commit crime for no particular reason (eg. they aren't starving; they just do it for a power trip). Humans that are insane and should be getting mental health treatment, instead act out depraved fantasies on other humans (ie. commit crime).

[Cuminginside]

Chef most likely has an untreated STI messing with his memory he really should get that checked out.

[lightbulb27]

My new approach is to ban guns... for use by politicians personal security teams and politicians. Kamala and Pelosi can't have armed security. Do this for 20-30 years. Then the rest of us can consider if we really need them. That will solve the problem for sure.

[SweetFyter]

"When will people stop defending guns?"

Good question. I wasn't aware that any gun had EVER been prosecuted for ANY crime. This, of course, could be attributed to the fact that NO gun has EVER committed ANY crime. And this, of course, could be attributed to the fact that guns are inanimate objects; as are knives, or baseball bats, or hammers!

When will felons stop getting plea deals when charged with multiple successive crimes? I don't know because NO felon has EVER received a plea... oh, wait. Never mind.

My family has always owned guns for our protection and I'm glad we do. Although a crime against us is unlikely where we live, it IS possible so I would much rather we HAVE guns and never need them than to NEED them and not have any.

[SweetFyter]

Thank you, @chefpapichulo, for the MHG. It's a shame we can't have more civil discussion but what I see so much is name-calling and histrionics and a total denial of reality. People can not LIKE something, but that doesn't make that something inherently dangerous.

I think cell phones should be BANNED in cars (I have a cousin in another state who was seriously injured because some idiot thought using his phone was more important than driving his truck). So, are cell phones the cause of that accident? NO, it was the driver who was holding the cell phone. BUT... hey, if we just outlawed cell phones, then there wouldn't be any scary cell phones to distract people and we'd all NEVER be in another accident, right?

Of course not. That's stupid. It's hyperbole. But it's the same argument I see here, in many cases. But we can't discuss that. We can only label each other. Nothing will ever be solved by that.

[Anonymous]

When dumbass rednecks fucking die. Until then, they'll continue to freely roam our earth, allowing school shootings to happen.

[fireforeffect]

Why is it that these shooters always end up being Democrats?

[ChefPapiChulo]

@fireforeffect you live in fantasy world.

[fireforeffect]

No, Unlike you I loive in the real world, and know my facts.

[ChefPapiChulo]

@fireforeffect "i know my facts" what facts? Your bullshit nonsense that all shooters are democrats. you're a brainwashed idiot.

[fireforeffect]

You had better do more research.

[Opinion Owner]

@fireforeffect @creampiekarl420 Guns should be banned. I said what I said, and I'm not taking it back.

[spiralshape]

Why "rednecks" (which by the way is a slur for white people)? Do black people not have guns?

[Sixgunsound]

@fireforeffect asks an interesting question nobody on the left seems capable of answering.

[fireforeffect]

NO one says that you have to take it back. Your opinion is yours.

[ChefPapiChulo]

@Sixgunsound you look so tough with your guns cowboy. You're in the wrong year, this is 2022.

[Sixgunsound]

Thank you, I appreciate your compliment.

[Kiran_Yagami]

So I guess you want all those Ukrainians to die too? 'Cause I guess they're all "dumbass rednecks", just let the Russians nuke them all into oblivion. That'd make you happy.

[Opinion Owner]

@Kiran_Yagami No. I'm not saying that they should be banned in that case, idiot.

[Kiran_Yagami]

What's the difference? Gun ownership is protect the citizenry against tyranny, both foreign and domestic. In America's case, it was against domestic tyranny, which at the time was the British crown. The Ukraine's case, it is foreign tyranny: Russia. Tyranny is tyranny and it is always a threat. You're either armed for it or you get taken over by it.

[Sixgunsound]

@Kiran_Yagami well put. That’s too much independent thought for some people, and blows a mental fuse when something conflicts with the carefully curated training for voluntary slavery to the state which is made illegal not to force children into by…you guessed it…the state.

[spiralshape]

I'm muting this page

[ChefPapiChulo]

@Sixgunsound independent thought lmao. You mean you’re a slave for the gun companies. Please dude you’ve never had an independent thought in your head.

[Datboi65]

@spiralshape Black person here. Yes, it's usually white people that support the NRA, more so than black people. THAT'S WHY.

[suckmynuts369]

@Gigi2019 You are strange. I've seen you call people sexist and racist for no good reason. However, it's good progress to see you blast lefty douche bags on the regular. #lgb #trumprocks

[globetrotter22]

OP if guns are “banned” who ends up with all the guns? The law abiding citizens or the government and criminals?

Adolf Hitler banned prívate gun ownership by the way. I wish you people can stop blurting out such naive nonsense. Gun violence is much more complicated than over reaching stupid gun laws. There are more guns than people in the USA.

[Screamsgutter]

There are all kinds of news reports and videos of people defending themselves during active home invasions using guns, and usually the home invaders are armed as well. firearms as well. Invasions happen every day all across the country. Sometimes it's only one person trying to gain entry, but oftentimes it's as many as three or four.

One invasion that sticks in my mind was thwarted by a young, recently-widowed woman with a newborn in the house. While the invasion was happening, she was actually on the phone with the police dispatcher, who told her that the police were coming but were still several miles away and that it's up to her to defend her and her child in any way possible, which turned out to be her late husband's firearm.

Several others invasions feature kids as young as thirteen or fourteen successfully defending even younger siblings in the house after multiple invaders have gained entry.

In another incident, as three men were gaining entrance to his house, it was the sound of the homeowner merely cocking his firearm that drove them off.

As far as gun owners thwarting mass shootings, there's a video of a man acting strangely after entering a Texas church and after a short while randomly opened fire. He got two shots off before a nearby churchgoer who'd been observing his odd behavior took him out with his own firearm. Even had that churchgoer failed or was killed, there were three other churchgoers seen with their firearms drawn just in case.

Another incident occurred in I believe another southern state where an armed man walked toward the entrance to a restaurant and shot two people who were either standing near the entrance or were coming out of the joint. More damage would've been done if the civilian walking a few yards behind the shooter didn't use his firearm to eliminate the threat.

I'm pressed for time right now so I can't find the actual links to the videos and news stories at the moment.

[zyxacb]

I will when someone cares enough about being competent they can quote, from memory, because they've researched thoroughly, the 2nd amendment (many give excuses like time, effort, not realizing it's 1 sentence), that already tells me they don't care to know what they're talking about, as I can count on 1 hand the number of individuals who have bothered to look at what the amendment says, or the fact those who lived under British imperialism that drove its creation likely knew more about tyrannical government & the price of not having firearms than they did.

Someone who is willing to argue against their own beliefs, and admit opposition have valid points; another rarity in today's ignorant, incompetent, narcissistic attention-span-of-a-goldfish society... you didn't mention anything about government tyranny in your argument - look to Hitler's Germany, or the Soviet Union - they weren't allowed private gun ownership, yet far more were killed by tyrannical governments (many times over) than all the "mass shootings" in the past 100 years.

[zyxacb]

Short version: when you're ready to discuss the very real issue of government tyranny, repeated many times as evidenced in history - you're arrogantly asking others to stop defending guns (support your view) without any effort to understand (or even tolerate) another's position - your central theme: "it's all about me. Everyone conform to my beliefs. I don't care about yours, because I decide they're not valid."

[Miristheiss]

I don't even understand your question.
Guns are part of life. They aren't going away.
Why defend earthquakes and tornados and murders, robberies, drugs, car accidents or disease... etc?

Evil people going to do evil things, dumb/carless people are going to do dumb/careless things, the earth is going to do deadly things, disease is going to do deadly things.

These are things of this world. You can do your best to try and keep yourself safe you can take safeguards but these things exist and we cannot control them all.
Guns exist. I guess you wish they didn't but that is not reality. You can't make guns go away or pass some magic law that makes gun violence go away.

Criminals don't even get legal guns they do most of the shooting and killing. Just like prohibition... people didn't stop drinking. People will never stop getting and using guns so "laws" cannot help you.

Live in reality not your made up Utopia.

[Kiss_Me]

Welcome to the age-old, and VERY tired argument of gun control.

Guns are NOT the problem. The decay of morality, ethics, and character in our society is the problem, not an inanimate object.

by the way, why did you put forth the effort to ask a question when all you want to do is berate the ones that have the mitigating gall to disagree with you?

[ChefPapiChulo]

because i dont have to agree with someone.

[Datboi65]

If I say nuclear bombs are "just an inanimate object", does that mean they are now free for anyone to use? Aha. There are weapons that are banned even in war, because of how deadly they are. And that's for military use. We are civilians, so the bar should be lower, not higher. In other words, the military should have more access to certain weapons than civilians, because they are specifically trained to protect the country, while you are just protecting yourself.

[ZackBan]

You don't like guns? Don't carry one.

But when you're at the wrong end of one. Your opinion will spill from the back of your head regardless of what it is.

I know that's harsh but it's just the truth. This utopia where everyone just agrees not to use guns or any other forms of violence does not and will never exist. So just protect yourself whichever way you can.

[ChefPapiChulo]

thats a pretty disgusting way of trying to legitimize guns.

[ZackBan]

I'm not trying to legitimize anything. I hate guns. All I'm saying is I don't wanna be defenseless against one should someone ever come at me.

[ChefPapiChulo]

"But when you're at the wrong end of one. Your opinion will spill from the back of your head regardless of what it is."

[DarkWinterNights]

When are anti-gun people going to stop exploiting the death of innocents to try and strip people of their rights putting them at risk?
The last 2 years has clearly shown how quickly things can deteriorate, and the government is far more likely to turn into a authoritarian police state than help you.

[ChefPapiChulo]

Thats a lot of different topics and quite the assumption. go back to school idiot.

[DarkWinterNights]

No they’re all related. Not my fault that you have no argument. Just ad hominem attacks and talking points.

[ChefPapiChulo]

"Just ad hominem attacks and talking points."

[Honesttguy]

Im in UK we are not allowed to use carrry anything.
I had to run from 9y old kids who decided to bully me on street cus i have no legal ways to defend myself i would end up in trouble with police if i punch kids in face.
Also week before in other city some kids stabbed and shot other kid in stomach and killed him.
We dont have pro gun culture here, but u can illigally buy guns for 1k+

[ChefPapiChulo]

Less guns means you’re not able to get them as easily, meaning kids aren’t able to get them to carry out mass shootings.

[Honesttguy]

I have to agree with that.

[Wade12345]

i believe in God and I hate guns and think they need to be banned except for police and military.

There hasn't been a single massacre stopped by a civilian in my entire lifetime.

The Second Amendment empowers murderers and rapists, nothing more.

[joeldalton]

you are an idiot.

[fireforeffect]

You are a fool. The second amendment, guarantees the right for every citizen to defend himself and to over throw a tyrannical Government.
I have owned guns all my life and not one of them has killed anybody.

[DarkWinterNights]

Um… there have been many potential massacres that have been stopped. They aren’t specifically labeled massacres because they were stopped.

[ChefPapiChulo]

@fireforeffect "The second amendment, guarantees the right for every citizen to defend himself and to over throw a tyrannical Government."

and to what? install trump as a dictator. you are lost and insane.

[ChefPapiChulo]

@DarkWinterNights nonsense.

[Wade12345]

@fireforeffect

No it doesn't. It guarantees the right for MILITIA to keep and bear arms for civil defense. It does NOT give private citizens a "right' to overthrow the government. NOt at all.

[Wade12345]

@DarkWinterNights

If that was true, why does it never make the local or world news that a concerned citizen "stopped a massacre'?

[Wade12345]

@DarkWinterNights

I'm 42 years old, and I have NEVER seen a news report of a law-abiding citizen discharging their firearm to stop a massacre in progress, EXCEPT one case of an off-duty police officer, who was quickly out-gunned by the machine-gun armed lunatic and forced to retreat.

The nations that ban guns also have the lowest rate of murder and rape.

[fireforeffect]

Then you have not been paying attention.

[DarkWinterNights]

@Wade12345, This was literally my first result from a quick search. This was from 7 years ago when we had much stricter carry laws Nationally.

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https://www. washingtonpost. com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/10/03/do-civilians-with-guns-ever-stop-mass-shootings/

[ChefPapiChulo]

@fireforeffect get the fuck out

[ChefPapiChulo]

@DarkWinterNights go ahead and summarize the article and share your opinions.

[DarkWinterNights]

@Wade12345, The militia is by 1700’s definition, ever able bodied man.
The Bill of Rights, including the 2nd Amendment was created to keep the government in check, not restrict citizens rights as they believed Rights are granted by our Creator, not the government.

[DarkWinterNights]

@ChefPapiChulo, I’m not going to do your homework for you. This is for Wade specifically to back up my earlier statement. I don’t believe you are capable of having a logical and good faith debate.

[Wade12345]

@DarkWinterNights

Rights are granted by the Creator, and owning a machine gun is not one of them.

Guns were invented as a weapon of warfare, but they have killed far more people in domestic murder scenarios than all the wars since then.

Machine guns were invented literally as a psychopathic JOKE to "increase the efficiency with which Europeans can murder one another".

[DarkWinterNights]

@Wade12345, Go into any gun store in America and ask to purchase a “machine gun” and see what happens.

[ChefPapiChulo]

@DarkWinterNights logical and good faith? you've displayed neither LOL.

[DarkWinterNights]

I’ve provided clear arguments and listed sources, you have insulted people’s intelligence and spread misinformation. You act like far more like a troll.

[ChefPapiChulo]

@DarkWinterNights you listed the Washington post as a source. Do you know what a source is?

[ChefPapiChulo]

lmao im not responding this retarded nonsense. Come back when you learn how to have an argument.

[Wade12345]

@DarkWinterNights

Certain weapons are intentionally designed to be easily modified to make them fully automatic.

In addition, I've actually seen television shows of machinists in the United States making homemade machine guns, including a 50 caliber machine gun mounted on a trailer.

Don't try to pretend this isn't happening when people can buy an AK-47 on the internet with no background check and it arrives the next day.

[DarkWinterNights]

@Wade12345, Building your own machine gun or any type of automatic firearm without being a Type 3 Federal Firearms Licensee (manufacturers) is a felony punishable by 10 years in federal prison. Ordering any type of firearm online without an FFL transfer and background check is also a felony in all states.

[Wade12345]

@DarkWinterNights

Must not be. They did it and test fired it on nation wide television on NatGeo on American soil.

The mass murderers get the automatic weapons on the internet or from their family's collection. Most these teenage murderers people don't have direct ties to the Mafia and don't know how to get an automatic weapon unless someone in their family already owns one or like I said, they bought it on the internet, like the Gabby Giffords shooter or the guy who dressed up as the joker and shot up the theatre, James holmes whatever. He bought the gun from the internet..

[ChefPapiChulo]

They can't process those thoughts. They'll respond in the most predictable ways possible.

[DarkWinterNights]

@Wade12345, It absolutely is. If they did it for television they likely had a licensed individual doing the work and got the proper permits. The ATF has raided random people’s homes for car parts, they aren’t going to miss a televised event.

As for your other topics, there is a difference between semi-automatic and automatic. If you care to read some of the stats that aren’t seeped in anti-gun propaganda, this site breaks down a lot of the common misconceptions and misinformation surrounding mass shootings.

https://www. usconcealedcarry. com/resources/gun-facts-and-fiction/mass-shootings/

You could argue it’s biased, but there is a reason that gun rights are winning nationally right now. Half the states in the country are now constitutional carry, up from a single state 19 years ago.

[ChefPapiChulo]

@DarkWinterNights and there's also been a spike in mass shootings since around then. correlation doesn't equal causation, but people are tired of your shit and other gun nuts.

[joeldalton]

@chefpapichulo do you even know the definition of a ‘mass shooting’?

[ChefPapiChulo]

@joeldalton Joel lets not play this game. you lose every time.

[joeldalton]

@chefpapichulo it’s really easy for you to just say “I have no clue, but CNN tells me mass shootings are a problem”

[ChefPapiChulo]

@joeldalton yes joel people have seen your profile pic. we know what you like to repeat to yourself everyday.

[joeldalton]

@chefpapichulo. That’s not an answer. Surely someone like you who likes to tell everyone how smart he is would know a simple definition. It’s not that hard. I’ll let you google even.

[WhiteSteve]

Even when truly used as a device of readiness for self-defense, guns make weak or average people feel powerful. Even strong people feel more powerful. The way some people talk, they feel almost invincible. And power is addictive. Like any addiction, I’m sure addiction to power and control over situations requires substantial rehabilitation.

[Ray1980]

I have a Foid card & currently going through the process of concealed carry in a liberal state. I've never been guilty of a crime & even have a perfect driving record. The way I see it the ability to protect my loved one's trumps ALL & that's even extended to a lesser extent to total strangers if I find myself called upon. I believe we all have a duty to be a good citizen & if that means putting my life in danger for the greater good so be it.

[t-8900]

I have owned 60 firearms in my life and I've have converted 7 women into becoming gun owners as well as many of my friends. I've taken them training, got them into concealed carry. I would say the only people who are afraid of non violent offenders with no priors owning guns and who have proper training are the criminal element.

[GoodGuyBreakingBad]

Something needs to be done in Pennsylvania US, every day the news comes on there are more kids getting shot and these kids range from 6 years old- to teen years or you have these parents killing their kids or teens are killing parents yes it's sad for sure.

[blissinanarchy1]

I'm cool with concealed carry, but open carry is fucking stupid. They think that the gun will make someone think "He sees I got a gun, he won't fuck with me." Or that they'll ALWAYS be able to see when someone is illegaly concealing a weapon and is about to shoot. Like dude... if someone sees you got a gun you're the first target, and you're not John Wick. Chances are they'll catch you by surprise and shoot you before you can react

[Anonymous]

God you are such a stereotypical brainwashed Leftist. All you do is bitch about Trump and racism and Nazis and guns 😂 You’re like a caricature of someone who thinks they have their own opinions when really you’re just monkeying some talking points you heard from Rachel Maddow or CNN.

[Kiran_Yagami]

Never. May as well ask people to stop drinking water. Guns are a part of life and they probably will be as long as human beings are on the planet. You can be a sheep if you like. No one is stopping you. You don't like guns. Fine. Don't buy one. Don't hold one. Don't get near one. You do what you like, but why do you think you can tell other people not to do what they like? They like guns. So what? You don't have to be a part of that. They're willing to leave you alone. Why can't you do the same?

[ChefPapiChulo]

Comparing water to guns is as ignorant as one can get.

[Kiran_Yagami]

So is ignoring the rest of my argument by latching on to a single sentence. Besides, it's not so bad of a comparison. To the Ukrainians, guns are necessary for survival. Just like water is. If they did not have guns, they would be under Russian rule right now or dead.

[ChefPapiChulo]

That was like the only thing you said that’s not even worth responding to. The rest was gibberish about guns being with human beings as long as they’re on the planet, and leaving people who own guns alone. Yet there’s a video right there about people who probably love guns just as much as you do and used them on people.

[Kiran_Yagami]

So? I'm sure there are people who love cars who ran people over with them. Violence does not stem from firearms. They are merely a tool. Fertilizer and diesel fuel can do in mere seconds what would take a rifleman an hour. Even a semi-truck can and has been used as a tool for mass murder, and it took that guy less than 30 seconds. You gonna ban them too? Having guns is a necessary evil. When citizens go rogue, they kill dozens. When governments go rogue, they kill millions.

[ChefPapiChulo]

They were a tool created to kill others. That was the main purpose of them being invented.

[noohair]

I do not trust any professional political overseer to defend any of my rights or be there when I need help. I provide my own safe space. I see the problem as a culture of violence and no respect for life. It is a human condition. You can find peace and glory in the afterlife. Reality is violent.

[ChefPapiChulo]

my reality isn't violent. i also dont own guns or associate myself with people who own them.

[noohair]

Maybe in you small slice of life and at this moment, you are free to choose who you associate with, But with a world view, maybe a little violent? When seconds count, the police are minutes away.

[TickleMe4ForFun]

Do you think a bad guy who has a gun will be more deterred from using his gun if...
A) he knows no one else has a gun, or
B) he thinks everyone else has a gun?

Gun laws don't stop criminals from getting guns, only the good guys.

Also, it is funny to hear people say "we need to round up all the guns in the US!" I want to see them try this and see how it goes!!! 😆😆😆

[GonzalezErickaa]

There so stupid there always been shootings but now social medias makes everyone see every single one so people panic.

[blissinanarchy1]

Open carry isn't a deterent. It's dangerous to believe it is. You are now the primary target, and life isn't a movie. You don't know if theyll randomly shoot you in the back of the head.

[blissinanarchy1]

Im 100% for concealed carry.

[dolemite89]

There should be background checks and the proper provisions for law abiding citizens to own guns. I can’t stand the super sanctimonious liberal arts people that think banning guns will lead to crime prevention. ya let’s take guns away from law abiding citizens so then only criminals still have access to them 🙄🤦‍♂️

[ChefPapiChulo]

Nonsense.

[Anonymous]

Maybe when guns actually start committing crimes. 🤣 When did a gun do anything wrong to anyone? All they do is exist. What people choose to use them for is the problem, not the gun itself.

Almost 400 million guns in the United States have not been used in any crime, and many of those were used to help prevent or stop a crime.

[ChefPapiChulo]

"Almost 400 million guns in the United States have not been used in any crime, and many of those were used to help prevent or stop a crime."

how many of those LOL

[Opinion Owner]

an estimated 2.5 million crimes a year are prevented by guns. That's 6,849 every single day.

Every year 400,000 life-threatening violent crimes are prevented by guns.

60% of convicted felons have stated that they avoided committing a crime if they knew the victim was armed, and 40% of them said they wouldn't commit the crime if they thought the victim might be armed. Fewer than 1% of firearms are used in crimes overall.

Don't need to get into a big political debate here, but when one political party is releasing violent criminals back onto the streets, and stats show and prove that those criminals will keep committing crimes, then it only makes sense that people would want a gun to help protect their families from that shit.

[ChefPapiChulo]

Sir do you know how to create a concise argument? how did those guns help save lives?

You copy and pasted from a conservative site with sponsors. That's not a credible site for information. And they got it from some gun. facts. info bullshit website. Get your facts straight dumbass and learn how to create an argument.

As for the whole tirade about "one political party is releasing violent criminals back into society, stay on point you fucking idiot.

[fireforeffect]

Yrur sites are not any more credible!!

[ChefPapiChulo]

@fireforeffect okay

[Opinion Owner]

my facts ARE straight. lmao. Those are the numbers. The only people who dispute them are the anti-gun nuts. That should tell you something. It's not my fault if you're so dumb that you don't realize how a gun would be used to save a life. You come at someone who has a gun, and they stop you with their gun. The end.
Did you know that black women are the #1 purchasers of new firearms today? So are you racist or just anti-woman that you don't want them to be able to protect themselves? Not everyone can afford to hire you as their personal bodyguard and dog food chef.

[ChefPapiChulo]

"That should tell you something"

tells me you're an idiot who can't argue.

[Opinion Owner]

my stats have been used on every non-bias news site across the globe. As I said, the anti-gun nuts are the ONLY ones who dispute it, but they offer up no other stats to counter. Argue that. lol.
If you don't know anybody that's had to use a gun to protect themselves or their family, then you're lucky. I personally do.
I'm also smart enough to know that when less than 1% of a thing in existence is used for evil, then the problem is not that the thing exists. The problem is with the people who choose to use that thing for evil.

[ChefPapiChulo]

"my stats have been used on every non-bias news site across the globe"

You're literally a retard.

[fireforeffect]

You certainly are a hateful person.

[ChefPapiChulo]

@fireforeffect bro stop posting on my question with nonsensical bullshit. like go elsewhere.

[Opinion Owner]

it appears that you are the one who cannot argue. Where are your stats to counter those that I've produced? You have none. You anti-gun nuts have none. As I stated, my stats are quoted everywhere. Where are yours? I'll wait. Typical liberal. You can't argue against my points so you resort to personal attacks.

[Opinion Owner]

they've been quoted in news articles from Australia to Japan to England. That's a pretty big range. The biggest problem with the stats from anti-gun sites is that they purposefully include suicides when they quote "number of gun deaths.

[ChefPapiChulo]

I have no clue what you’re arguing. But the stats you gave earlier are from a gun nut site and sourced from another gun but site. They are biased and I read the article where you got those stats from. It’s complete dog shit and biased. When you learn how to create an argument, or provide real information worth refuting I’ll respond. Until then go back to school retard.

[DARKCLOUD1945X]

If you defund the cop who is going to defend your family a social worker that has to wait for a cop to show to escort them to the crime being committed. You want my gun come and take it. Next my bow and arrows and hunting knives too

[ChefPapiChulo]

@DARKCLOUD1945X no has said anything about defunding cops. you are under some kind of mind control talking that nonsense on here.

[ChefPapiChulo]

@DARKCLOUD1945X try that again without the insane rant.

[DARKCLOUD1945X]

Sorry but I am dropping out of this because of all of the bullshit offered up by the anti gun nuts are throwing around I just cannot stop laughing at what they are saying

[Datboi65]

You know what's funny? Those gun nuts believe they own guns to "defend themselves from the government" whatever that is, but they are the one's that the government should defend itself from, if you remember last year's insurrection at the Capitol.

[Anonymous]

When will people understand that most guns used in crimes are obtained illegally? Banning guns will not solve anything. Maybe instead of wasting money bombing brown people in the middle east, we spend that money on better education and dealing with mental health issues.

[suckmynuts369]

Never. At a minimum guns in the US save 300,000 lives upwards to how many. You have a better chance of dying from a direct lightning strike as opposed to dying in a mass shooting. Keep bitching though, it gets you real far.

[Cubus]

Guns are not a problem. There are countries where gun laws are liberal (not as liberal as in USA, but still) such as Czech Republic or Switzerland and they have very little shootings and homicides. Problem is somewhere else.

[ChefPapiChulo]

Tf you talking about. Switzerland is a country of like 8 million with tons of wealth. That’s like the size of one US city.

[Cubus]

I'm talking about the case if you compare number of gun violence per one inhabitant. Otherwise it's obvious in USA there would be a lot more.

[ChefPapiChulo]

Poverty = more crime. Switzerland is a small country with a lot of wealth. Comparing the US to Switzerland is retarded.

[ChefPapiChulo]

Might as well start comparing Antarctica with the US now too. There’s no guns there and no violent gun crime. Lmao gtfo kid.

[Cubus]

Well, the most gun shootings are in California which has strict gun laws, a lot of poverty, gangs, and is run by Democrats

[ChefPapiChulo]

Wrong.

[ChefPapiChulo]

www.cdc.gov/.../firearm.htm

Now go ask your country for a better education.

[Cubus]

No thank you. Your countey needs it more, in many aspects :)

[ChefPapiChulo]

“ Well, the most gun shootings are in California which has strict gun laws, a lot of poverty, gangs, and is run by Democrats”

You’re then proven wrong.

Like I said. GET AN EDUCATION. pal.

[DryGermanGuy]

I am a cynic, so I would say when more than 50% of all voters have lost someone due to a shooting/attack/gun suicide.

[DarkWinterNights]

You think that gun owners haven’t been victims or lost loved ones? Many people are gun owners because of terrible things that have happened to them.

[Tedster420]

When the right to defend yourself and not be a victim becomes outlawed, which is sometime around NEVER!

Exercise gun control. Buy 2!

[Dargil]

When will we stop defending murderous black thugs? We don't need gun control. We need thug control.

[ChefPapiChulo]

Racist nonsense.

[Dargil]

Only in your mind. You just can't handle the truth.

[ChefPapiChulo]

That’s not truth. That’s nonsense.

[Dargil]

Sure, sport. Just keep thinking what you are thinking.

[ChefPapiChulo]

More nonsense.

[Dargil]

Guessing you are an expert on nonsense. Good for you.

[Dargil]

Telling the truth is not racist.

[CasaNorba]

I dont want to know cause Hitler banned guns himself before he initiated WW2.

[ChefPapiChulo]

who says hitler banned guns?

[ChefPapiChulo]

en.wikipedia.org/.../Nazi_gun_control_argument

[CasaNorba]

www.adl.org/.../hitler-gun-control.jpeg

he did, duh!

[CasaNorba]

that article you posted can easily be debunk for the fact that again Hitler did said it himself that disarming a nation is the easiest way to conquer it. also whether the Jews made 1% of the population or not you do remember that the genocides of the Jews was not the only agenda the Nazis have. these people also wanted to conquer the world and how did they get as far as they did during WW2? oh I know how, by taking away the only tools those nations had to defend themselves

[ChefPapiChulo]

thats nonsensical. stop posting garbage.

[CasaNorba]

No, buddy just because my info bitch slaps you without a hand does not mean is “nonsensical” you’re not a dictionary god and facts don’t care about your views and feelings

[zagor]

When they start killing people on their own.

I'm tired of people making excuses for these criminal assholes by blaming guns.

[one1wild00]

When they are pushing up daisy''s guns aren't the problem, the psychological stability of the user and the breAkron of social caring for one''s neighbor is.

[one1wild00]

Cutting out guns is like banning forks and knives because they can stab and kill people, or even someone's hands who doesn't need any tools other then their own body to kill.

[Surely]

My guns must be defective!
They never randomly shot anyone. Or did I train them better?

[ChefPapiChulo]

what?

[DARKCLOUD1945X]

Gun nuts like us cannot stand anti-gun nut like you!

[ChefPapiChulo]

At least you admitted to being a gun nut.

[CuriousMufuxka]

When they aren't easier to get on the streets than an actual gun shop. For the record I have never shot nor owned a gun, but completely support the right to bear arms.

[KrakenAttackin]

Funny, because I can't fucking stand idiot liberals.

[Quigly]

Governments are the biggest mass shooters.

Ukraine is modern day proof.

[notwoke]

the ukranians are glad they have theirs right now. you can have mine when you pry it from my cold dead fingers

[Cuminginside]

Ukraine never had that right that's part of the problem

[GMANN56]

My gun has never hurt anyone... but then I'm not a lowlife criminal.

[ChefPapiChulo]

yeah, well there's a lot more to the issue than someone who owns guns and hasn't used them to hurt people. there are people who steal weapons from people who don't lock up their guns.

[GMANN56]

I guess that happens. Not to anyone I know. But I guess it happens.

[Kiran_Yagami]

People steal guns from the police and the US military. You gonna tell them they can't have guns too?

[ChefPapiChulo]

@Kiran_Yagami how often does that happen?

[Chthou95]

Are you one of those people that think the Ar-15 is an assault rifle?

[ChefPapiChulo]

im not even going to ask how thats relevant. i dont expect much out of you or people like you.

[Chthou95]

Because liberals want to ban guns yet they usually don't know Jack shit about guns

[joeldalton]

Yes, he is. He likely thinks AR means Assault Rifle, too.

[blissinanarchy1]

@joeldalton Ar 15 stands for Arma Lite Rifle. It's not an assault rifle, and even if it was, it doesn't make it more dangerous than an m1 garand or something. Ar 15 originally came in.223 remington, when the military wanted an automatic assault rifle. The original copy was renamed the m16. M16 started branching off into the m16a1, m16a2, m16a3, and m16a4. Some of those are automatic, some are burst fire. All have the capacity for semi auto. After the m16a2 came the m4, which is shorter, and is actually a carbine. M4s can be selected to fire bursts, or in semi auto. The military likes to use semi auto for precision firing, and honestly semi auto is more dangerous than automatic, unless you're in a situation where you're nearly point blank. The requirements I believe for an assault rifle qualification is a pistol grip, ability to mount things on the barrel, telecoping stock, and a select fire switch. The ar15 platform sold to civvie markets isn't an assault rifle. Usually its not even a rifle, it's a carbine.

[joeldalton]

@blissinanarchy1 yes, I know.

[blissinanarchy1]

@joeldalton I'm against open carry 100%. I lived in the inner city, and I'm not "flexing" but seen open carriers TWICE get attacked with absolutely no warning. The one was murdered. Shot in the back of his head, had his gun took. Other one was sucker punched, was unconcious, had his gun took. Im all for concealed carry. Not open carry.

[joeldalton]

@blissinanarchy1 I am for open carry. Carry openly at your own risk. Not the responsibility of government to have you make good decisions.

[blissinanarchy1]

@joeldalton I just don't understand wanting to advertise having a gun. You can do what you need to do, probably even more effectively, concealed

[Chthou95]

How do you figure concealed carry is more effective?

[ChefPapiChulo]

LOL this is hilarious. It's like watching monkeys trying to screw in a lightbulb.

[blissinanarchy1]

You're not the primary target, you have more time to react. If I run into a store trying to rob it, and it looks like noone got a gun, im focused on getting money out the drawer. My ass gonna get shot by the guy I didn't know had a gun. If I run in to rob a store, and see you got a gun, now I know im either going to prison or the morgue, so you're the first one im shooting. Reality is, there are PLENTY of people that dont get deterred by guns, they escalate.

[joeldalton]

@blissinanarchy1 fine, you don’t have to open carry. But don’t deny others the right.

[blissinanarchy1]

@joeldalton I don't know man. A lot of people, whethers its liberals, conservatives, and anywhere in between, feel invincible when they get a gun. People think if they were in some type of situation they'd do this this and that

[joeldalton]

@blissinanarchy1 again, that’s not for you to legislate.

[Chthou95]

Do you know why the 2nd amendment exist?

[ChefPapiChulo]

i know why you think it exist.

[Chthou95]

Do you as a liberal know why it exist?

[ChefPapiChulo]

im not responding to this insane chatter.

[joeldalton]

@Chthou95 his replies should tell you that he doesn't know.

[ChefPapiChulo]

@joeldalton are you on this site all day?

[joeldalton]

@chefpapichulo I stop when your mom wants me to come bang her.

[Elliegirl]

When will people stop demonizing guns?

[ChefPapiChulo]

Guns are literally created to kill. That was the purpose of making them. The first guns were cannons, that were meant to bring down city walls, and to shred men into pieces. So please do educate yourself.

[Elliegirl]

I think you missed the point of what I was saying. If people aren’t demonizing guns, or anything else for that matter, then there is no reason to defend them. I wasn’t taking a side.

[ChefPapiChulo]

"When will people stop demonizing guns?"

[globetrotter22]

@chefpapichulo what’s your solution? You are a man and are supposed to use logic. So let’s hear it.

[Jltakk]

When idiots stop lambasting inanimate objects as the cause of their suffering.

[Anonymous]

No time soon because gun nuts are brainwashed cultists who'd still defend guns if their entire family and children were slaughtered in a mass shooting.

[joeldalton]

If you don't like guns, don't get one. Problem solved.

[WhiteBoyChill]

Banning guns isn’t a solution for ending gun violence. Chicago has shootings literally all the time

[ChefPapiChulo]

Less shootings per capita compared to Republican states.

[WhiteBoyChill]

I’m not sure about that.

[ChefPapiChulo]

It’s a fact.

[WhiteBoyChill]

According to who?

[ChefPapiChulo]

www.cdc.gov/.../firearm.htm

[ChefPapiChulo]

Sorry buddy you’ve been lied to.

[WhiteBoyChill]

Bud I wasn’t asking you to compare blue states to red states.

I was asking for data on blue cities

[ChefPapiChulo]

You just got the data right there.

[WhiteBoyChill]

I see no mention of “Chicago” in there

[ChefPapiChulo]

Illinois is way behind red states who love their guns.

[WhiteBoyChill]

Bud you keep missing the point.

Democrat run cities are more dangerous than Republican led states.

And your source doesn’t disprove my argument

[fireforeffect]

Why do you have to use such terrible Language? I can't stand peole who cuss lioke you do.

[t-8900]

Does he look like they type to have any class man? Be real he's shirtless in his pic.

[ChefPapiChulo]

@t-8900 "My sexy latina baby got a claim on this @ss. Love you honey bunny! Tráeme ese fuego "

is literally on your profile you backwards idiot.

[robocop666]

when mass shooters enter and other people have guns they are fooked. The media hides these stories.

[Fromdusktilldawn]

its not the guns that are criminal

[globetrotter22]

So whats your proposal?

[Anonymous]

They won't. It is a mental illness.

[ChefPapiChulo]

@GonzalezErickaa you're catfishing as an underage girl. you are projecting.

[globetrotter22]

@chefpapichulo another remark where you have you use the intelectual judgment of an emotional underage girl. Really man BE A MAN and give us logic on how to reduce gun violence.

[anylolone]

Never going to stop defending guns.

[ChefPapiChulo]

Isn’t Brazil a far right country who’s leader won based on advertising on WhatsApp?

[anylolone]

He didn't won based on whatsapp.

You sound like a retarded putin puppet to claims the euromaidan protests were an US coup.

Also, brazil is quite to the left, like 3rd world countries tend to be.

[ChefPapiChulo]

But he did. there's studies on it. He used misinformation on WhatsApp to win.

[anylolone]

Yeah, you are absurdly gullible.
By the same token, there's literal audio, documents and a shit ton of records showing the US funded the euromaidan revolution.

You'd have more claims towards the second than the first.
At least NATO did do everything to co-opt the euromaidan revolution.
Literally funded nazis for it.

Bolsonaro did mass media sharing, which every other candidate did. It was annoying.

[Shamalien]

When they are perfect slaves

[Eleni1989]

When their one’s on other side of the gun.

[Snakeyes7]

When a gun with a mind of it's own kills someone.

[jimmy2]

It not guns it people who shoot a gun