Like how come they convinced these women they're a shame! I'm trying to accept it. I'm afraid that mentality spread everywhere like it did in part of London. I only live here because of how important my family are.
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Plus Niqab is a Jewish thing. But culturally people in my country adapted it
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Note: i was forced to wear Burka when I was 12 I broke myself free at age 20.
I live in a society where many women wear bruka and it makes me sad, accept it or move?
If there is anything in your life that makes you sad and you do not agree with it and there is nothing you can do about it. The best thing to do is just remove yourself from the situation and put yourself in a place where you want to be
I don't mind people wearing it if they want to but as far as I know it's mandatory in Saudi Arabia, which is pretty much against women having any type of freedom
You have all the right to wanna move, and I think you def should move to a country you find comfortable for your needs and requirements. Family is precious but I'm sure you guys can visit each other from time to time
From what I know, they don’t believe they’re a shame, but they believe that they’re so precious and not anyone is allowed to look at them so they cover their whole body.
Although I really don’t get the point, but I never overthought about it. I believe everyone has the right to do whatever they want, especially that they’re adults which means they have the ability to differentiate between what’s right and what’s wrong.
If you don’t like it then you don’t have to wear it like them, but the least you can do is to show respect for other people’s beliefs.
I'm trying... But hey I was like them before I wear that Burka by force! But I didn't give up like them I didn't allow the same society to brainwash me from young age. Regardless of the several attempts.
Well I get it. Honestly wearing burka isn’t an issue, but being forced to do so? That’s sick. I remember that time when i had a saudi teacher and he was telling me why women cover themselves and why it’s wrong to have friends from the opposite sex. He said that a woman’s voice on the radio could turn him on which will probably lead him into making inappropriate things. I don't know but honestly if that was what most saudi guys feel then i worry about other females who dress what they want freely.
I believe that all these rules are more of a cultural thing, not religious, and it seems like it’s changing, hopefully.
> Like how come they convinced these women they're a shame! Because both Mohamed and Umar hated women, but Umar hated them a bit more and convinced Mohamed to make their place "between dogs and donkeys", as Aisha put it.
You're from Saudi Arabia? I'd get the hell out of there at the very first opportunity, with koran left in trash right where it belongs.
Yes I am. I moved to UK and just came back because I wasn't ready to move yet. The best way to move is to get married to a Turkish. Never to an Arab country.
Because Turks are Turks. Even worse, they're also (mainly) muslims. As our (Russian) proverb goes "carry a weapon while talking to a Turk"; eventually he'll start cheating on you with 99.9% guarantee, plus as soon as he'll realize you're "domesticated", he'll treat you no better than any Arab.
I'd recommend to apply for a student's visa, more abroad. Upon moving, study hard, then apply for residence. If you'll get refusal, claim you quit islam (and I hope you'll quit this cancer) and moving back will get you executed; that way you can claim indefinite political asylum. Afterwards you're pretty much a free woman, free to make your own decisions.
That's what I would do. Build myself up here. I hope I meet a Non Arab guy down the road.
My Ex from Poland hates Turkish men too lol whenever I say I will move to Turkey he try to convince me not too. His sister been broken up by a Turkish.
I know their history. I mean all of them; frankly, since I'm healthy racist, I don't really differentiate Turks, Arabs and Persians.
Besides, I know one Turkish girl (from Ankara) one this website that I'm chatting to for almost 2 years now and she dreams of leaving Turkey, one of the reasons being due to attitude towards women once men realize she's "domesticated" enough and 2nd reason being due to Arab "refugees" flooding Turkey, that have koran instead of brains in their heads (although she was born in muslim family, but she's leaning towards atheism; I'm formerly christian, but became atheist at the age of 12).
In my eyes it's your life and your choices (things like I've heard about Saudi Arabia that women aren't allowed to go outside without male supervision is like... barbarian stuff in my eyes), but I'd personally recommend to stay away from Turks. Once you'll get to know them on a deep level, you'll realize they're the same misogynists like Saudi men.
> Because I want to understand where your point of view coming from mostly historically.
As heavy nationalist, I do know the history quite well and perhaps that's why I have some... well, distrustful attitude towards them (although I was in Kemer in 2008), however, I mainly got confirmation of my biases during my studies in the UK when I was in my mid 20's (I've attended university in there). I tend to have people open up to me, so I've learned quite a lot about their true attitude, hence why I'm warning to stay away from them.
It's your life and your choices in my mind though; as atheist I judge by merit and humanitarianism, not by gender. Whether you'll listen to my advice or not is entirely up to you.
I'm trying to understand Why Slavs men don't like Turkish. Is it because of the historical wars? ... That Polish is still hurt about every country invaded his country like Germany, Russia and Ottoman attempts. What is your thoughts? ... Yeah many Arab are there I hope they don't influence the culture. if you compare my place to Turkey, I have friends from Turkey they seems to have freedom. But I know I can't judge unless I try.
> I'm trying to understand Why Slavs men don't like Turkish. Is it because of the historical wars?
Somewhat, but also because Slavic folk tend to see through the bullshit better than others. You could say we got "educated" the hard way.
> That Polish is still hurt about every country invaded his country like Germany, Russia and Ottoman attempts > Russia They invaded first during the dark ages; they had it coming in return. However, I actually dislike conflicts between Slavic folk, even if those are Polish.
> Yeah many Arab are there I hope they don't influence the culture. if you compare my place to Turkey, I have friends from Turkey they seems to have freedom. But I know I can't judge unless I try.
Unfortunately, according to a girl from this website, they do affect the culture; or at least rape statistics, where 4 out of 5 Turkish girls that got raped were raped by Arabs. Hence why the rise of "Grey Wolves" organization in Turkey, that outright assaults Arabs due to Arab "refugees" changing culture. Especially cities like Izmir (which had by far biggest amount of atheists in Turkey; she told me that's where most "refugees" went). And although she's herself a muslim (doubtful one though; arguably the most "secular" Turk I've met so far), she became heavily hostile towards muslims from Arabic countries moving in.
Sure, by Saudi standards they're secular, but by our standards it's a different story. In any case, it's your life and your choices.
And just in case, I remember chatting to a (secret) atheist from Damman on this website, whom I've talked out of committing suicide; if you ever feel like you need support, don't be shy to text me.
I don't blame her. I struggled. An Arab refugee in UK kept pressuring on me to put on Hijab and dress how she thinks is right "saying I look prettier with it" a Polish who loved me went into a fight with her he thinks she influenced me lol but I'm back to who I am I stayed away from her. Because there's no right or wrong.
I agree, there's no "right or wrong", there are only different shades of gray, except one thing: islam is 100% wrong. It's even worse than communism and fascism combined. If I'd have one wish, I'd wish to erase islam. I wouldn't even wish to erase Hitler, with all of his history what he did to my country.
Do you know Hitler did the worse to your group he burned and mass murdered I think 6 million Slavs/Polish combined with Jews! Killing is wrong, hurting is wrong. Religions are opinions I'm against people who forcing it.
> Do you know Hitler did the worse to your group he burned and mass murdered I think 6 million Slavs/Polish combined with Jews! Killing is wrong, hurting is wrong. Religions are opinions I'm against people who forcing it.
I know it even better than you can possibly imagine, especially considered I've lost family members in WW2 (albeit before I was even born). Still, I consider islam to be even worse.
it's really hard I thought it's only the Poles got the most hurt. From Hitler and tatars kiddnaping and selling. For your info the Poles I have met a bit worried about potential Russian invasion. I'm surprised that you have another opinion than Putin and you don't want conflict between Slavic folks.
for many of the women it’s their choice to wear it or not, some it might not be. I don’t think it’s your place to say whether it’s okay or not, because you don’t understand the cultural and religious meaning of it. What you can do is try to bridge the gap between you and these Muslim women, make them feel like you care about them and can be friends with them. People only listen to others advice if they think you care about them and understand them.
THE NUMBER 1 PRIORITY FOR MUSLIM IS WRITTEN IN THE QURAN. IT SAYS IF YOU CAN'T CONVERT CHRISTIANS TO BE MUSLIMS... THE MUST BE KILLED. NOW DO YOU FEEL WARM AND FUZZY INSIDE?
Yes this makes me angry. I can understand in some countries it's a requirement. But in the west, and women have died for the right to take those hidious things off , you still see them with them on. I think they should be band, sorry that may upset people but I find this just so wrong...
If they're being forced to wear it then you shouldn't accept it and should stand and show solidarity for the oppressed. If it's their choice and they're choosing to wear it then you should do anything about it.
Not to that degree. Legally never been. But back on the days family, socitey & religious police follow you around to force it on you, schools brainwash you and force it on you. But MBS made changes but women are still brainwashed or might be still afraid to disobey their family. I was in their situation but I didn't give up which made my family accept me with my hair out with some grounded rules It took me ages & risks to change their mentality.
I understand that you want to be western women like a Kim Kardashian. who able to show off her butt, her boobs, her skin, her hair to every horny males in the world. means you basically has kinky from accepting horny males gaze and don't cry when some guys rapes you
That's a Bullshit! You talk like you analyzed me from one statement! You think women's modesty determined by how they dress? Well for your knowledge I don't aim to wear like Kardashian.
that's not bullshit. you just hate being practice as a Muslim. you want to be same as non Muslim. and ofc so many non Muslims supporting you because they don't know anything. and you even hate Muslim guys. seems like you love sleeping with a pig (non Muslim) lol. eeeewwww yuck. what's so good about non cut dick? lol
interesting that suadi arabia has one of the most oppressive regimes in the world but the west love selling them arms so much we let it slide... personally if i was you i would move but its very sad that you feel you should have to do so
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