Why are people pro-isolation and anti-vax at the same time?

[emmily2396]

Where I live people mostly repeat what they hear on the news like a radio "stay inside". Someone decided to ask on a group once if they would get the Corona vaccine done on them if there was one. Most said "No". I am curious if those people actually have a brain as the virus won't magically vanish if we stay inside.

I am pro-isolation and pro-vax

I am pro-isolation and anti-vax

I am anti-isolation and pro-vax

I am anti-isolation and anti-vax

I am pro-isolation (but only for the people who are at risk) and pro-vax

I am pro-isolation (but only for the people who are at risk) and anti-vax

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Some people don't seem to know how to read. This question Isn't about why you're anti-vax, but why would someone ve pro-isolation and anti-vax. Please don't bother to answer if you have something else to say than what answers the question.

[N192K001]

From what I've read, more than half of cases have no or mild symptoms, so why not just allow for natural immunity?
https://www.MSN.com/en-ph/news/national/more-than-half-of-covid-19-patients-have-zero-to-mild-symptoms-%E2%80%94doh/ar-BB12J31I

Sure, quarantine the vulnerable (elderly & immuno-compromised), but the for the rest of us, it doesn't seem that bad. Pay now (for those who will get no, mild, and more-than-mild symptoms) with targeted quarantine for a few weeks, and potentially reap the benefits (of potentially life-long immunity later).

No need to wait for a vaccine to be developed, which could be months from now. No need to wait for bureaucracy (& politics) in the jurisdiction-of-origin to certify it and run through the red-tape to start mass-manufacturing. No need for bureaucracies of other nations to go through their long lines of protocols, procedures, and office-politics to allow for approval and importation. No need for the cogs of multiple government-agencies to slowly turn for mass-distribution.

We get the natural herd-immunity, make a living, and pay our bills… without endangering the treasury, raising government's debt, and risking the national currency's collapse.

[N192K001]

Also, medical-science isn't the only issue here. Consider the legal-precedents being established here: In an era of mass-surveillance, even 'free' 'democracies' are allowing (even 'charging') tech-companies to track people in real-time. Mass house-arrest powers have been established and/or solidified. Powers forbidden by law & constitutions are being usurped 'for emergency' reasons when (in so many jurisdictions) there are no provisions to suspend such safeguards.

It's always a 'temporary' counter-measure to an 'emergency' they say. When were the 9/11 provisions ended? Isn't terrorism a permanent threat now? You think new viruses won't create new pandemics ever again?

There are serious issues to be considered here.

[drsatan]

A vaccine is the only thing that's going to get life back to normal at this point, and all world governments know that.

I seriously hope that after all this mess, we start taking the anti vax movement seriously and start locking up people who refuse a vaccine for themselves and their children.

[emmily2396]

I think they like being locked up since they yell every that we should stay inside, don't you think? They aren't even constant, they are contradicting themselves. I could get why someone would be anti-vax and refuse to stay inside, but the combo in question sound really stupid

[AllAmericanGirl99]

Probably because they know they aren't vaccinated so need quarantined.
A real question is why are so many antivaxers vaccinated already.

[Nachowedgie]

Because you get vaccinated as a child against your will

[AllAmericanGirl99]

@Nachowedgie a small price to pay for not dying lol

[Nachowedgie]

Well that's false but alright

[AllAmericanGirl99]

@Nachowedgie hows that smallpox working out for ya?

[Nachowedgie]

Don't have it

[AllAmericanGirl99]

@Nachowedgie vaccine is working then👍

[Nachowedgie]

Nope. I never got the vaccine xD

[ImSparkly]

We are currently getting a reminder of what the world would be like without vaccines.

[razelove]

Isolation only works as well as people comply with it, which I have not seen so far, so that strategy isn't so hot. When a vaccine comes out I'll get it, I got a flu shot last year, and will again this year, the biggest issue is when it comes out, not if.

18 months minimum from when the virus was isolated, was is about Monday at the lab working on it here.

[1CentWorth]

quarantine is for sick people. I'm not sick, so why am I quarantined? When I have done NOTHING wrong, who has the right to say I can't drive down the road without risking arrest? I'm a prisoner in my own home for nothing I have done. Then, I'm supposed to TRUST them with a vaccinethat cannot be properly tested because they want it now? It's... just too much. Free the land of the Free.

[Rina_colada]

Asymptotic carriers exist bud

[Shamalien]

@Rina_colada u must think ur pretty smart. You should also know then, I'm sure, that vaccinated people can still carry and spread the disease even if the vaccine protects them from the full blown effects of the symptoms.

[Rina_colada]

@Shamalien www.who.int/.../index2.html

[Rina_colada]

@Shamalien the protection is just for the vaccinated. It’s for those who cannot get vaccinated because they are immunocompromised.

[Rina_colada]

@Shamalien When’s the last time you heard someone spreading polio or the measles because they were vaccinated? I’ll wait.

[Shamalien]

@Rina_colada as soon as you link to the who you lose all credibility.

[Shamalien]

@Rina_colada polio and measles were eradicated a long time ago, most people tout that vaccines r responsible, which could be true, of course, we are also a much cleaner society now with widespread use of soap and knowledge of disease, so when a kid gets measles, the parents know to keep them home. Both my parents had measles and mumps when they were kids it was very common, they just stayed home for a bit and were fine, and now they have lifelong immunity which is much better than a vaccine can provide

[Rina_colada]

@Shamalien i link a credible source... i lose credibility. Ya ok.

[Rina_colada]

@Shamalien for your second statement...
www.who.int/.../index5.html
Sorry you’re willfully ignorant.

[Shamalien]

@Rina_colada oh look another WHO link

if by credible, you mean known liars who have a very well established reputation of spreading misinformation, then yes, your source is very credible

[Shamalien]

@Rina_colada let me guess, you went to college and think you're smart? You may not be aware of this, but that education that you paid for is full of disinformation. Ascertaining truth is not as simple as just citing the right source. It's a process, and involves cross referencing information from an eclectic variety of, ideally, contradictory sources

but I'm well aware they don't teach critical thinking in college. You gotta learn that on your own

[Rina_colada]

@Shamalien ok, tinfoil hat.

[Rina_colada]

@Shamalien I don’t think i am smart. I KNOW I’m smart. Thank you. 😘

[loveslongnails]

Once there is a proven vaccine, safe and effective, the anti-vax folks should be required to do 100 hours of community service in a hospital ward for Covid patients. How's that?

[emmily2396]

Sounds good to me. What annoys me the most is that they are also commenting everywhere that we should stay inside. There is a big contradiction there unless they want to live inside at all times

[RolandCuthbert]

haha!! I have seen worse than that. I have seen folk who are anti-isolation and social distancing, but wearing masks, gloves, etc. Many of them have more protection than the average healthcare worker.

Hilarious.

[KassyIsSassy]

And it doesn't work either, because the virus is so small it can just go through the mask 😂

[Shamalien]

@KassyIsSassy it can, the mask is not 100% effective, but it is better than nothing at all. It's especially effective if you are carrying the disease but don't yet know it as it keeps the droplets from flying beyond your face. Wearing a mask is a gesture of kindness towards those around you

[RolandCuthbert]

@Shamalien @KassyIsSassy That is totally not the point. They claim the virus is a hoax or isn't as bad as the media claims, but they go out dressed as stormtroopers.

[genericname85]

because they for some reason believe it when the health industry tells them that a medicine is good but they believe it, when that same industry they mistrust says there's a danger xD being anti vax is idiocy. that would explain this contradictory position.

[Shamalien]

I'm anti isolation and anti vaccine on this matter. Not that I'm against people isolating, nor am I against people getting vaccines, but I am against laws threatening people with fines or prison if they don't isolate or get a vaccine.

That is facism

[emmily2396]

Ok, still makes more sense than pro-isolation and anti-vax

[Tyrael]

Fining you for risking other people's lives seems fair to me.

[Shamalien]

@Tyrael I'm sorry, do you have something you would like to say that's not sarcastic? I have a firm belief that the ends never justify the means. If you have to do something immoral to achieve your result, then I stop you right at the immoral action, it's wrong. For example, I would not kill an innocent person to save an innocent person. If the only way to save a person is to kill another, then I stay out of it.

So by the same logic, I would not infringe upon someone's rights to save someone else. If there is a pandemic going on, and you decide to take the risk upon yourself to go outside, that is your choice and you assume all responsibility for that risk.

Does that make sense?

[Shamalien]

@Tyrael By the way I wear a mask when I go out, I'm not putting other people at risk.

[Tyrael]

That's all well and good, but not everyone can afford to stay home forever. Eventually we need to get back to work and the people who refuse to vaccinate will be the ones risking lives needlessly. That'll include you no matter your morals.

[Shamalien]

@Tyrael You can choose to vaccinate if you wish, but if you want to force me to vaccinate, you'd better be prepared to fight to the death.

I am not stopping anyone from getting the vaccines, that is your right. You have no right to infringe upon my right to refuse one.

[Shamalien]

@Tyrael if you were to do some more research into vaccines, you'd realize that it is publicly acknowledged that many people have adverse reactions. The herd immunity argument is easily disproven by anyone willing to do the research. Just as there are individuals who's immune systems are too weak to get the vaccine, there are also individuals who's immune systems are too prone to auto immune reactions to get the vaccines. Their rights need to be respected as well.

Why do you respect some peoples right to be safe but not others? Do you think you are moral in doing this? You are not. Me going around unvaccinated is not immoral in any way what so ever. You do not have a right to be protected from all disease in this world, that is not how nature works. You go outside, you take risks, that's life. You can't make the world safer by forcing people to conform to your will, that is what we call totalitarianism, or in other words

EVIL

[Tyrael]

All I'm getting from you is hypocrisy. You say you wouldn't kill an innocent person to save an innocent person, but you're willing to kill them to protect your precious rights?

Make your mind up

[Shamalien]

@Tyrael You cannot equate being unvaccinated with killing somebody. It's not me killing them, it's nature, and you and everyone else in this mental trap is going to have to understand the logic behind this assertion. There are viruses everywhere, even vaccinated people can still spread the illness. Some people are so weak that they cannot leave their house without significant medication. If they walk into a grocery store and die from exposure because they ran out of meds, are the people in the store responsible?

No, they are not. Nature can be cruel, but taking away peoples rights does not fix the problem. I didn't get brainwashed like most people, I grew up without TV and was raised to be skeptical and make up my own mind. To me, you are completely insane. Accusing me of being a murderer for not getting vaccinated. That is fucking insanity.

I also sense that you fail to understand the importance of rights. You don't understand that respecting rights will save more lives than any vaccine.

[Celtero]

The two things have absolutely nothing to do with each other.

Anti-vaxxers are that way because they don't like injecting an 'unknown' substance into themselves or their children. Isolation doesn't involve that so why would they be against it?

[Liam_Hayden]

It is simple.

Stay inside: voluntary

Ordered to stay inside: totalitarianism

Get vaccinated or not: voluntary

Forced vaccinations: totalitarianism

[scott_90]

I'm pro isolation for people at risk , for example I'm not visiting any elderly family/friends and only interacting with people that do the same , young fit people shouldn't have an issue fighting covid off.
I'm anti vax because I've never had it and never been sick , I see workmates get the vax and they are always sick a week or two after haha , obviously I don't have a PhD or any "scientific " proof that you need / don't need the vax that's just my personal choice

[Lliam]

You're using your head, emmily.
The purpose of the isolation is not to save lives. It's goal is to build public support for mandatory vaccines, tracking and monitoring of every individual, police state, and cashless currency.
The continuous "one point of view" echo chamber of mainstream media has deliberately generated hysteria and consequent support for greater government authority. Bye bye individual liberty and constitutional guarantees.

[FakeName123]

I am neither pro- nor anti-vax. I see vaccines generally as a good thing, but I am critical of the current state of vaccines (which have higher side-effects than a few decades ago) as well as pushing vaccines into the public before they have properly been tested (remember the Swine Flu? Yeah, news pretty much silenced the massive amounts of side-effects on the vaccine for that)

[Daniel3035]

HAHAH your very naive and young clearly. You think this vaccine is released and it's safe to take like that? Stupid thinking vaccines take 10 years! To make this vaccine is just rushed work and when your family or friend gets seriously sick or with lifelong illness because of it your government will shrug their shoulders and say good luck. Anti vax right now is smart and safe.

[DiegoO]

I am with pro isolation for obvious reasons, and with anti vaccine for the following reasons: a real vaccine for the virus we will have in 1-2 years and that's an approximation. The real amount of time it will take to develop an effective vaccine is unknown. What do I know is that for the meanwhile we are gonna be treated like lab rats.

[emmily2396]

🤦 i am talking about a real tested vaccine. Why the hell would you want to spend the rest of your life inside? That is what it sounds like

[DiegoO]

If we are talking about the vaccine that would be available in a couple of years, I obviously will take. I am not taking experimental craps.

[emmily2396]

I don't think they are allowed to make them widely available without the required testing anyway

[DiegoO]

Lol, you really think things work like that? Ethic means little for the pharmaceutical industry.

[MountAverage]

I don't expect any logical consistency from people who at this point still don't understand the severity of the pandemic, let alone who believe in conspiracy theories like anti-vaxx, 5G, lab virus, etc. These people are out of their minds and simply fabricate any explanation necessary to make sense of their nonsense.

[NewZion]

Ask a Doctor (MD) who doesn't bullshit you, then you'll know why.

Short answer: vaccines aren't that effective and the bullshit politics that come with it.

[drsatan]

You must think a lot of doctors are bullshitters.

[NewZion]

@drsatan No shit

[drsatan]

How easy your life must be that you can dismiss anyone who tells you something you don't want to hear as a bullshitter.

[NewZion]

@drsatan Yep

[Shamalien]

Yeah it's interesting how so many doctors refuse to vaccinate their own children, really telling. Vaccines in theory are a great idea, but in execution, they are eugenics

[hornyafbi69]

God damnit just just God damnit. 🤦‍♂️ Vaccinations aren't bad repeat after me. Vaccinations aren't bad

[monkeynutts]

Personally if it's not a virus that has a high mortality rate, which it doesn't, then I don't see the need for a vaccine.

[Anonymous]

No they are the ones with a brain you obviously aren't. I have known about this chip for almost a decade. The vaccine will be a chip that they want to inject us with. There will not only be heavy metals more than likely but a tracking device. The chip is the size of a small grain we would not even know it if they put it in us. You trust the government and believe the media 100% and are deceived.

[TacocaT6969]

Because vaccines don’t protect those too old or too young to be vaccinated.

Isolation does.

[John_Doesnt]

The isolation is stupid because people are losing their jobs. I know the coronavirus is killing people but that doesn't mean everybody else has to lose their job.

[luvstoned4him]

its good to stay safe but I've got shit to do and money to make

[Jjpayne]

That is a great question! People that are anti vax might have to give on this one...

[MannMitAntworten]

I am waiting you all out to kill each other off so I can live in peace like Charlton Heston in “Omega Man”.

[Anonymous]

If you are anti-vaccine it just means you’re and idiot, like flat earthers. Climate change deniers. All lack basic scientific reasoning.

[Anonymous]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8yK3uXjp_hQ

Long video but worth the watch

[Meatunnel69]

Anti vaxers are the reason measles is making a comeback. Stick me doc

[Deen420]

There is really no need to isolate yourself if you're not at risk.
If I wasn't vaccinated, I'd die.

[masonderek6994]

Because both of those atte just further government control and they already have to much control

[worldscolide]

LOL Dunno. Antivax = stupid in my opinion

[Gwenhwyfar]

Not sure, but I think you can be both at once

[Gwenhwyfar]

Seriously. I don’t see why you can’t want to isolate yourself from the virus and yet be apprehensive about getting a vaccine at the same time. My girlfriend (female friend) feels exactly that way.

[Gedaria]

It shows how complex people are...

[pizzalovershouse]

Cuz of safety of thd itemn

[pizzalovershouse]

Meant cuz of a safe treatment for people ars afraid of

[Cryptic-Game]

I am anti-isolation and anti-vax

[AkshiJanjua]

i am pro isolation pro vaccine

[TheLittleInnocent]

Lol wow (≧▽≦)

[Anonymous]

Anti Vax/Anti-Bill Gates

[KrakenAttackin]

Anti vax is nuts.

[YesIsaidit]

Long story lol