
Why do so many people support Trump?


- Cards on the table, I am a Republican who does not care for - and did not vote for in 2016 - President Trump. Though I may vote for the President this time as while I do not care for Mr. Trump, the alternative of Mr. Biden is less appealing.
That all said, actually President Trump's support has been remarkably constant. Hovering around the 47% mark since he was elected and - unusually - not much impacted one way or the other. When the economy was booming, Mr. Trump was at 47%. When the pandemic and impeachment hit - about the same.
This in contrast to, for example, former President Reagan. At his low water mark, the 1982 recession when the rate of unemployment hit 10.8% - until this pandemic induced recession, the highest of the post WWII era - Reagan dropped to 34%. Then the economy began to boom and by 1986, President Reagan hit an eye watering 71% approval.
That is the norm and in that sense President Trump has defied gravity. Albeit at a level below majority support.
The reasons for such being that the country has entered a populist phase - not unlike the 1960s and 70s. This phase inspired in part because of the transition from a manufacturing/extractions base to a service/tech base. Thus even during the booming "pre-pandemic" economy, the lot of the lower middle blue collar (particularly white) class did not significantly improve.
To this was added a certain cultural condescension by the Democrats who were searching out the younger college educated vote. Thus President Obama's remark that the working class - to use that term - were "clinging to guns and religion." Thus Hillary Clinton's infamous "deplorables" and promising to put the miners out of business.
Suffice to say, the working class, which had seen itself as playing by the rules, working hard, going to church and being patriotic, did not cotton to being so dismissed and looked down upon. Their problems are real - declining lifespan, rising suicide, etc. - and being looked down on was deeply resented.
President Trump - for all his many, many failings - read this audience and appealed to it. His "in your face" and telling the politicians, i. e. "the swamp" and the "elites", what they can go do with themselves - to put it crudely - sings to the blue collar class that feels it was betrayed and abandoned. Thus they have stuck to President Trump through thick and thin, come what may, with very little deviation even now.
Of course this very same approach has capped the President's support - again at about 47% on average. The President's knack for pouring salt in the social wounds has made it hard for the college educated, women, among other groups, particularly those thriving in the new service/tech economy, to see any good in Mr. Trump. To these voters Trump is destructive, divisive and self-absorbed. (The latter of which he is and to some degree his own less justified personal sense of grievance allows him to psychologically understand the lower middle class - albeit the latter's grievances are far more justified in material terms at least.)
Reagan, to cite that example, was the opposite. His policies - in their day - were actually more controversial. However, after two decades of tumult in the 1960s and 70s', Reagan had a natural ability to calm the social waters and thus even his opponents came to like him in some ways.4|80|0Is this still revelant?(This was captured brilliantly in a cartoon that appeared during Reagan's tenure that showed a pollster asking a voter what he thinks of Reagan's policies, #@*!! was the response. Next panel - The same pollster asks the same voter what he thinks of Reagan personally - "Oh nice guy. Really like him. Friendly, jovial.'" Suffice to say, those latter are not terms one might apply to Mr. Trump.)
Thus, Mr. Trump's support has both a floor and a ceiling. His victory in 2016 - and if it happens in 2020 - because the lower middle class was once the heart and soul of the Democratic coalition and Mrs. Clinton (and to some degree Mr. Biden now) has not found a way to win them back. Mr. Trump's support being a minority, but an intense one and thus it has been well said of this election that there are not many Biden supporters, just Biden voters.You seem to know a lot about politics. Why does Biden seem less appealing? I'm not American and I'm trying to understand Trump voters in a non-judgmental way.
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@spuitkaas I've heard him talk completely incoherently before on the radio. I haven't heard of trump doing it though
@spuitkaas If I may cheat a bit to save space, here is a piece that I wrote regarding Mr. Biden about two months ago. What do you think of Joe Biden? ↗
My response was rated MHO and appears under my "Nightdrot" nom de guerre. If after you have read it you would like to discuss the issue further, I would be happy to do so.
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- I don’t consider him the greatest president ever. I general I don’t even like the guy, but I guess I can touch on a few issues...
Economy
Trump has consistently expanded the NASA budget which was severely crippled under the Obama/Biden administration. While Obama/Biden set America back on technological advancement, trump is moving us forward with new space goals and funding to back it. Trump has created the Space Force in that same goal. That should lead to more aerospace and defense engineering and manufacturing jobs and spur tourism to watch rocket launches.
Trump passed the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act several years back. That created Opportunity Zones which will spur growth all over the nation. This will drive job growth by incentivizing investment in America.
I like Trunp’s Strategy for American Leadership in Advanced Manufacturing. This policy will drive future intelligent manufacturing systems utilizing computer science and robotics to strengthen the domestic supply chain of medical products, food and agricultural products, electronics fabrication, and defense manufacturing. Bringing supply chains back to the USA which is great.
Tax cuts are generally good.
Trump renegotiated some bad trade policies.
The 2018 Farm Bill legalized the production of industrial hemp.
A lot of programs were put in place to help veterans.
Health Care
Obama Care is a nightmarish authoritarian plan crafted by greedy insurance companies and corrupt power hungry tyrannical politicians. It is unconstitutional at it’s very base and if allowed to stand would threaten the very fabric of our country. Imposing a mandate onto a passive individual compelling them into a commercial transaction with a private company merely for being alive and then non-uniformly taxing them if they do not abide by your tyrannical order is civil war worthy. We fought the British Empire over less. This act alone makes Obama one of the worst presidents in American history. Biden was not only part of crafting this hellish legislation and still openly approves of it, he wants to go further and build upon it. This is unacceptable. When Trump enter office he immediately removed the individual mandate from Obama Care via an executive order which is great, but not permanent. If Biden were to be elected, this could be easily reversed which would be horrifyingly bad. Now that Trump has appointed more conservative judges to the Supreme Court, I am hopeful that Obama Care will be overturned in the near future. Trump has adamantly stated that he wants to eliminate Obama Care all together and craft new legislation to regulate health care. He has also openly stated that he wants to included verbiage in that legislation that will protect people with preexisting conditions from corporate refusal for coverage. While there is no detailed plan on what that legislation may look like yet, in my opinion it is far more important that we resolve the overstep by the Obama administration first, not for health care but for legal precedent. We need to kill Obama Care, burn down it’s house, and piss on the ashes first. From there we can negotiate a new way forward and protecting people with preexisting conditions is a good first step.
Environment
I like the EQIP act in the 2018 farm bill. The Great American Outdoors Act is pretty good. I like that he stopped offshore oil drilling around Florida. I’m not a fan when it comes to his position on solar. I don’t have an issue with using oil and natural gas, but it would be nice to see more renewable incentives especially solar.1|10|0Is this still revelant?Violent Crime
Trump has been the voice of law and order during the BLM race riots. He has been very vocal against groups like ANTIFA, but I’d like to see more responsibility directed towards BLM. I support Trump’s position in denouncing critical race theory, which is a racist policy from the Obama/Biden era. I support Trump’s Operation Legend to reduce violent crimes surrounding said riots. Trump deputized state police so that the federal government can bring those assholes to justice. On the opposite end, Trump’s First Step Act to release nonviolent drug offenders could be a good thing…
Meanwhile Democrats are looting small businesses and ruining average people’s lives, burning down their cities, and beating and murdering innocent people in cold blood. They are threatening civil war, trying to intimidate voters, pushing to repeal civil rights legislation, etc. Biden claims ANTIFA is an idea and that it isn’t real. The Democrats (specifically Biden/Harris) bailed out criminal rioters and put them back on the streets to cause more chaos. Democrat District Attorneys funded by George Soros refuse to prosecute criminals associated with ANTIFA and BLM. Democrat mayors have defunded the police, placed messages of racial hatred on the streets with tax payer money as a political stunt, and even let communists hold certain portions of their cities hostage.
As John Adams once said, a republic is a government of laws, not of men. The promise of the rule of law under the constitution is to judge all men by the same legal rules no matter what their characteristics. Biden doesn’t believe in the republic. He believes in intersectionality, mob rule, discrimination, and special privileges for his political allies that hand him power. As Thomas Jefferson put it a democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent can take away the rights of the other forty-nine percent. I think it is a pretty clear choice who has America’s interest in their heart.Corruption
He and his allies seem to be exposing deep corruption in the government at the highest levels. If they are able to bring cases against these individuals and lock them up for their crimes it would be a huge service to our country. Time will tell.
Gun Policy
Trump seems to support 2A rights but could do more to reverse tax stamps and stuff like that. Biden is a nut job fuck face that wants to strip American gun rights. Communists like to disarm their populous, so it is no surprise.
Supreme Court Appointments
Conservative judges are more likely to strike down Obama Care, protect 2A rights and potentially restore some that have been infringed upon, and protect citizens 1A rights in relation social media and search results. Trump and Republicans in general stand in opposition to Democrats trying to pack the courts for political manipulation.Foreign Policy
I think the peace deals Trump is brokering in the Middle East are great. So far the UAE, Bahrain, and Sudan have normalized relations with Israel. At least 5 more nations in the region are considering following suit including Saudi Arabia. In the passed when peace deals have been made with Israel relations have never been normalized. Trump is bringing people together, not only for security to counter balance the threat from Iran, but in cooperation for economic growth and development of the region and to combat covid and potential future famine. It looks like there will be a free trade region in the future, and some Arab countries that get on board, play nice, and strive for peace will get some of the economic action that will be stripped from China in the textile, pharmaceutical precursors, and plastic industries. That’s good for them, that’s good for us, and that’s bad for China and Iran. In contrast, the Obama/Biden administration had partnered with Iran and the Islamic Brotherhood destabilizing the region and promoting war and we all know the Biden family is bought and paid for by China. Countries like Egypt that have been long time allies had started to see us as enemies under Obama/Biden. Under Trump we have the foundations of peace and prosperity in the Middle East and our soldiers get to come home from war. It’s really good. If he gets reelected more is on the way. A number of nations in the Middle East are apprehensive to get on board because they think they will be punished under a “second Obama administration”. The Obama/Biden/Clinton are bad for the Middle East. Trumps wins against various terrorists is great. Withdrawal from Obama era Iran deals are also good.- Show All Show Less
Trump has made a hard stand against China’s bullshit. Trump raised Tariffs on China. He is punishing American companies that export American jobs overseas and is forbidding companies that do business with China from winning federal contracts. He also sanctioned communist party members and Hong Kong banks that defend said communists. He’s stood up for Taiwan. He’s been clear that he’s against the Hong Kong security law, Chinese IP theft, the Chinese concentration camps, China’s chicanery in the South China Sea, etc. He’s standing up for Maritime law. He’s also pushed for a global alliance against China. I like what he’s doing and want to see more.
I like that he influenced NATO to take a larger role in their own security. This reduces America burden and promotes the American defense industry which can lead to more good jobs in America. Trumps peace deals in the Balkans are also good.
He’s successfully convinced Mexico to start enforcing their own immigration policies and he’s strengthened border security. Apprehensions at the southwest border have more than doubles so his actions have been relatively effective at slowing illegal immigration. Trump has also strongly combated human trafficking.Problems
He could have been a better unifying voice in relation to covid response. While it’s ultimately up to the states, he could have been more sympathetic and cooperative and he should have yielded to scientists to explain topics that are outside his purview. I think he did as bad a job as any other career politician anywhere in the world. Ultimately we needed an early international flight shutdown. No one was willing to do that and in retrospect, our supply chains were too dependent on China in that specific moment so I get why it didn’t happen. Previous administrations had set this moment up for failure. Trump has no science/medical background so he couldn’t make wise decisions, but there aren’t many in government that can wear those shoes. Additionally some of the trade agreements with China sort opened the gates for China to manipulate food reserves in the USA which caused temporary food shortages in America during a pandemic. He touted it as something he accomplished, while China was using it as a tactic in a food war to try to hurt us. He didn’t seem to see both sides of things. That’s a judgment issue. He also was willing to allow China to buy up a lot of our PPE early on thinking trade is good, but was short sighted considering we needed the materials. China also did that to try to sabotage our response to covid. Trump wasn’t playing chess thinking several moves ahead… He also said a lot of dumb shit along the way.The economy has been gradually failing for many years and he has the burden of dealing with the downfall at the moment. I don’t blame him for that, it is much bigger than him. That said, I don’t like what has been done by the Fed and Congress for early stimulus. He appointed the fed chairman and signed off on legislation, so he’s also responsible. The question is how will he fix it if given another term. If things continue to go in the same direction, there will be a decimation of the middle class which is unacceptable for our republic. This is a big issue that needs to be fixed.
I’d say in the beginning I thought he was going to be a relatively bad president. I voted for a third party candidate in 2016. After about his first two years he start to turn the corner getting rid of some bad people in his cabinet and move up to a relatively middle of the road mediocre president. In the passed year he’s had some significant accomplishments and failures simultaneously. If he can fix the bad parts and finish the good parts in the next 4 years I’d consider him a good president.
I knew he would be better than Hillary, but he had not earned my vote in 2016. I knew he was going to win anyway so I didn’t vote for him that year. This election I voted from him and even ended up convincing some Democrats to vote for him. I still think he has some flaws he needs to work on, but I feel he’s done enough to earn my vote and has a greater vision that aligns well with American ideals this election. His primary competition Joe Biden would be stupidly bad for America. While I don’t trust the polls, the narrative that Biden is way ahead is being pushed, so I feel it’s more necessary to vote for Trump this election cycle. Democrats have displayed too much degenerate behavior this year.
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- Anonymous3 moI supported Donald Trump since he announced his first campaign for president back in 2015 for 2016. I was loud and proud to be a woman who supported him. His beautiful family which is married to immigrants and people of other races/religions than himself. I thought his platform for a stronger economy, helping with legalization of illegal immigrants and deporting the criminals who have taken advantage of the united states of america without going through the legal channels that so many have to pay and go through was an amazing idea. The wall is a big idea and also not a lot of socialists understand that 99% of the drugs in the USA are being shipped in from the mexican border, the mexican government knows it and does little to nothing because the mafia down there pays them to walk away. So having Mexico pay for the wall after millions have died from the overdoses each year here might not be such an outrageous idea. The things that President Trump says are no different than the tv talk shows and reality shows 99% of all of us watch and or listen to. Don't know why so many get up in arms over it. If he never became president everyone would still be partying with him and his family in the Hamptons, staying in his hotels, laughing at his humor, etc. No one pointed the finger at Hugh Hefner and all the scandals he had. But when someone runs for public office all of a sudden people and stories just magically appear. Socialism = Communism so if you would like to live like that please give it a go in Russia for a year or two. See how they treat you in the factories and check out what happens when you speak up against their leader.0|31|0Is this still revelant?
"Socialism = Communism so if you would like to live like that please give it a go in Russia for a year or two [in the 1980's]." Fixed that for you. Russia is currently an Oligarchy, which is what Trump wants for the USA.
- Nobody who hated Trump started loving him. The people who liked him 4 years ago mostly still like him now. It's an asshole bond or some shit like that.1|10|0Is this still revelant?
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465- Anonymous3 moI support trump because he is good for business0|11|0
- Nobody in their right mind supports Trump.0|10|0
Right so they vote for Biden against trump but don’t actually vote for Biden or his policies, just against Trump.
I hear byou@illuminatiexposed0. I voted for Biden and so did a hell of a lot of Americans.
- Only the sane ones do...0|10|1
- Anonymous3 moIt’s a guy thing2|03|3
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Fixed? Then why were the Democrats so angry at suburban white women for betraying them?
- Because they are brainwashed.0|10|0
- Because he’s right1|32|4
Yes the media does lie about him. The media has been extremely liberal biased for a long time
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