Heh, I like the second one. Kids don't read the ToS... Ageism exists out of fear. We know we either get old or die. You represent the best of possible outcomes, consistently getting prunier lol
Seriously though, getting old is an achievement. So many people do stupid shit and die young. Most of my friends didn't make it to 30. Could be lifestyle choices on my part though...
I think we shouldn’t be fearful but rather talk about big issues with a matter of decency and respect. Only then will people realize that republicans and democrats actually have a lot more in common and we’re not all crazy like the media outlets would have us believe.
I wish more people had that point of view, far left and far right are both being manipulated. Both parties are issuing proposals and counter proposals on the federal level that just remove more of our freedoms bit by bit. We're too damned worried about white vs black, red vs blue, and who "wins" that we don't notice how bit by bit we are going to have no class mobility if this keeps up for another generation or two.
I've never been afraid I'm proud of being conservative. our values are about decency, morals and equality not equity like the left. we are the family type, hard working individuals that built this nation from the ground up. no free shit, you want that car or phone? you better fucking work that shit no freebies!
pure socialism only means more tax, more spending higher debt. capitalism with a little bit of socialism has always worked. lower taxes, money spent on things that matter, may the best man win. we have always had government assistance even with capitalism.
only the rich get richer under socialism the little guy has a chance to be at the top under capitalism
That would be why China turned very quickly from communism to capitalism after their revolution. Pay enough to get people involved and energetic, then forget that project. Hell, it was the entire point of their communism and socialism, uplift the poor, control their production, make the country as a whole more powerful, abandon the project for capitalism. The rich certainly got richer.
Lol I guess that's why they still call themselves "china communitst party/CCP" I mean it's not like they're still communist or anything it's not even in the name! also yes they knew societal collapse was inevitable under communism. they are capitalist but mostly communist. kinda kike how we were mostly capitalist but a little tiny bit of socialism, worked well that way tbh.
Well I'm not really afraid. I just don't really care or follow it that closely. I just base my opinion based on what I've seen.
But I generally don't talk politics to strangers on social media. Cause I think some people are crazy and has such extreme views that I'd rather not get involved.
Well I don't believe in parties in general. I still don't completely know what people mean by the left and the right.
And I think that's one of the biggest things that's wrong with politics in general. They take sides instead of just looking at determining for yourself what's right.
Well, to be fair that's over a lot more than politics that happens on, especially online. Standing for anything will net you people who will judge and throw insults and jabs. Your sexual preferences, religion, so on and so forth. It does get more personal fast with politics though.
The camps have been there quite a long time. It's just the advent and popularity of social media that has brought them into the light from obscurity. Now with the camps in the light, everyone can see how out-of-touch, self-centered, or pathetic the people are in them. Unfortunately it's those members of the camps that cause the freedom of expression to take a back seat so their precious feelings won't be offended. Well, IMHO, fuck them!
I'm of the same opinion, and that the "canceling" will massively backfire. There's no way to stop the hyperinflation at this point short of closing off foreign relations, which would just make it worse. I do find it funny that on both the right and left, there are actors pushing agendas for totalitarianism, with supporters blindly supporting them because they would hurt their opponent, forget about how much it hurts you.
Like setting my house on fire so the embers get your roof, sigh.
I'm not afraid, I don't have any motivation to discuss my political views with people who are obviously not capable to write two sentences without insults or are obsessed with racialism in one way or another.
Racism? Tribalism? I'm sorry, I see the word racialism, and I'm very confused. I think I get the concept... maybe. Is there turmoil in Poland's politics? I've heard it's quite beautiful (and cold) there :)
I never discuss politics. It is not that i'm afraid our ideologies will match or not. It's just that I feel most of the politics that goes on is corrupt and I'd rather not break a friendship over that. Nothing is black or white, everything is grey
Since forever? Conservatives vs Democrats, Capitalists vs communists, Democracy vs Fascism, Nationalism vs Nationalism, Christianity vs Islam etc.. This has always been how people "discuss politics" if not more violent and refusal to communicate.
You don't want to to stretch it over human life time, in fact objectivity starts to suffer after half. As those weren't us. There's obviously something else going on right now that's different than it was in recent past.
There's historical connections and similarities in this day and the past, but not from any one era to say it's historical cycle either. If it is, then there's going to be really tough times a head because so many cycle low points is hitting us at the same time. Not only we switched from industrial manufacturing to information technology but the system of production changing too, revolution that changes governing method, world wars... all kickin in on one big swoooosh...
And people have always gotten along vast majority of time, it's only once interests of leaders clashed when they spent resources for an army upkeep when ordinary people went to kill each others before Classical and Late Modernity and birth of nationalism. There's been wars like "Hundred Years 'War" (from 1337 to 1453) only because people were busy minding other businesses than killing each other
So the 13th Century on? The implication there is that communication and forming larger communities and democracies made us more unable to connect than being serfs, slaves, or nobles with only nobles or merchants having any communication between communities.
@Maissilapsi Fundamentally I fail to see how switching a person born today with one born 2000 years ago would produce a different result. Humans are still driven by the same motivations and although we are currently in a world that is changing much quicker than historically its not like life is much different between transitions either. We have always been incredibly good to find reasons to bash eachothers heads in over political differences.
Because it didn't really happen before, common folk, or peasants, didn't have own interest to view peasant from other area as a threat in anyway. Unless they came with other, armed and led by some nobility with some interest in the area. Concepts like racism is relatively new phenomenon although during feudal times darker skin was associated to working in sunshine at fields and that way seen as lower class, almost globally.
Only after Europeans saw other folk as good income source they started to invent, literally invent, these concepts such as racism to justify things like slave trade and colonialism.
Again, religion was an institute of power in feudal times. Nobility and Kings could force their will on people because God wanted it so. Religious wars has always been result of couple individuals having their personal interests on crash course. Only phenomenon stemming from otherness before nationalism and colonialism era "philosophies" justifying looting and plundering of distant lands is European antisemitism. It has long traditions among Christians, and the same tropes been recycled at least a millennium now. It too stems from individual political ambitions rather than some religious feud. Jewish hasn't been able to own land or property in Europe... since like... Romans ruled the continent to the various degrees of modernity, making them targets of unpopular leaders to shift the blame for. New testament actually being used as one of the first antisemitic literatures, or some variation of it. Martin Luther, a giant antisemite etc...
Today things are different in many ways because we're all nobility in certain sense as we compete for resources to buy some dream sold to us by massmedia etc...
@Maissilapsi True, even the poorest person in just about any nation today is faring better than a peasant in a rich country, or hunter-gatherer before agrarian farming. Life expectancy doesn't end at 30 anymore...
I guess we all buy into different dreams. Mine is simply to own land, rent some of it, and be left alone. As that is in jeopardy, I have to look at the wider world, and gathering people to sustain that reality. Politics is the tool that has put me in a precarious situation, politics is therefore a tool I need to learn to use.
@Maissilapsi Point to a period in human history and its childishly easy to provide an example of humans arbitrarily singling out individuals as a different group than them and committing atrocities against them.
Middle ages? Witches, heretics, marauding raiders (vikings) etc.. Roman era? I mean they had a stratified civilization in the first place. If you were not a native "roman" you were already a 2nd class citizen with lesser rights and god help you if you where one of the countless people enslaved by them. Rome also had a very colorful history such as how frequently emperors and senators got murdered or how people who supported different sports teams tended to tear each other apart quite literally.
If you go back in time to any time period I highly suggest you DONT talk too loudly about any of your beliefs be they political or not. Even just doing some magic tricks might get you get torn to pieces by an angry mob because they think their misfortune is caused by your "Magic" and much the same if you display an interest in medicine to treat illness.
There is very few things you can talk about safely.
We've romanticised the past to unrecognisable to tell some stories in past context. Golden Horde killed plebs pretty indiscriminately, but some witch hunts were straight up politics as women started gaining political influence and mandated by Inquisition. Again, vast masses wanted to survive. There might have been some high bandits but if they took life, a scene from Simpsons would've ensued with whole lot of pitchforks and torches. People were more in touch with land that directly fed them, they knew how to respect life and mutual aid we often credit Kropotkin for was everyday life. I help you today, you help me tomorrow. Happiness wasn't something individuals have which Nietzsche and capitalism "corrupted" it to become but something common and shared. Vikings weren't generally violent, it's propaganda, mainly by Swedish nationalists, but rather farmers, traders and occasionally looters when some clan lost power struggle to other clan which then exiled the losers which then raided places or died trying, out of necessity, not for being way of life. One mercenary group is known from Jómsvíkinga Saga and couple others manuscripts known as the Jómsvikings but who fought for Christians etc with biggest purse, gradually becoming first Knights Order. This is evident from archeology and sagas written by contemporary scribes. Actually, most we know about the Viking life is from one Icelandic dude called Snorri Sturluson. Snorri doesn't have much other to say than list some royal family ties and how Loki turned himself to a female horse so Ice Giant would impregnate him and then gave birth to Fenrir (kills Odin in Ragnarök) Jörmungandr (seaserpent that stretches around earth and eats it's own ass) and Hél (Empress of afterlife place, not to mix with Valhalla though) Loki was one of main deities of the culture, like was Odin (Wotan) who was straight up rapist, some speculate Loki was Ódin's other personality...
Common perception of past folks is often heavily based on romanticised nationalist rhetoric, how "we were brave warriors" or "how others barbaric", like much other common opinions of past. Sometimes it's colored by ultranationalism other times we want to lift our own perceived civility on pedestal
Most brutality happened in past hundred years, well 105. WW 2, quite common scenenery on both side at almost all fronts: Disoriented men in shock, some lost their minds completely during 12h, even days long artillery shelling on their position, ripping their clothes to dust and who start getting up from their fox holes while shells whistling just wanting out, not knowing what was happening and so on. Some covered on bloody human tissue, some without an arm or some other part of body, when the officers & MP's, or Chekas in Red Army, opens fire the men, on their side...
That's less than 100 years ago. Some are still alive who've witnessed scenes like that themselves...
There has been human alienation from humanity been going on since industrial revolution and last world wars hopefully will go down to history as last global totalitarian wars. I don't think we even have means to survive our inhumanity without wars anymore, let alone total war scenario
Politics are a waste of time. At the end of the day, NO politician can be trusted. They gain power through lies and do not easily let that power go. Once in power, they serve themselves, not the country.
It's what makes me most sad about people buying into bi-partisan politics. If there were four or five parties there would still be corruption, but they'd have to show results, or fade into obscurity. We stick with this two party deal and think by and large "yeah, they're sticking up for me, totally not working together to take turns with who lubes and who pushes."
It's less about fear, but more of just seeing the value in it.
Everytime I discuss politics with someone in the past it's just basically the other guy mocking and shit talking me, there's no meaningful value in that.
I'll admit I'm pretty intractable on 2A, besides that there is an ocean of ignorance, it's why I stick center rather than right or left. Either side could benefit or hurt me depending on circumstances. Both sides have power hungry A-holes, both sides have people acting in what they believe is best for their constituents. Having an open mind and seeing what actually works is pretty important.
I'm not afraid to be what I am. If I choose to be a neo-fascist it doesn't mean I agree with Hitler or Mussolini it means I want to take the negative image of fascism and turn it into a clean ideology which will work.
I think someone complained about my original question to you and it got removed, curious.
Cannons require a lot to maintain, fire, and have accuracy. Claymores are far more efficient, cheap, no maintenance, and require no accuracy, simply the right general direction.
@coulis That part is depressing to me. There are few things I dig my heels into the ground on, pretty much all revolving around my family. Call me naive (I know I am in many ways) but it seems like there was flexibility and debate up until W vs. Gore. Then people started to really crystallize in their views, especially the "As long as it fucks you over, I'll vote for it!"
Yeah Americans get really into politics. I saw some vignette and it was like these old grannies talking about how they can't wait till the election is over so they can talk to their friends again. Just seems really extreme.
That's sad, enough young and old people are already lonely from isolation due to Covid, to have further isolation due to ideological differences is pathetic. There's people I don't see eye to eye on concerning politics, but I'll still encourage our kids to play. It'd be sick to do otherwise, not like anyone's indoctrinating anyone else here.
we are literally where we are at based on politics. if we never had a say (vote free speech) on how and who operates our government we would be mostly Russian or Chinese. they would of conquered us decades ago. we were lucky to be we're we were at before this year.
about the whole anti patriotism/patriarchal/nationalism garbage you libs cry about.
do you realize you wouldn't be here if we weren't patriarchal nationalist patriots 70 years ago during world war 2 or nam? your grandparents would of been put in camps executed, you wouldn't exist! it's all based on politics and beliefs that's why other countries hate us so much. everything you do or own revolves around politics the smartphone and Starbucks you have is affordable because of capitalism. the welfare check the low income family receives every month is because of socialist polices capitalist pay for. you literally breathes politics.
the Russians, Germans or Chinese would of conquered us in the 40s if it wasn't for the conservative patriots here and our strong manly allies overseas teaming up and fighting the evil socialist/communist.
I’m not afraid to talk about politics. Not at all. If people don’t like my political views, to hell with them. However, I typically don’t discuss politics because I enjoy talking to people about more pleasant topics.
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I teach in higher education and I am a Trump supporter. Most of the time I feel like there is a target on my back. I had a Trump sticker on my office door and two days later somebody ripped it off.
She was a woman. I moved to a different office and I wanted to make some new friends. I thought we got along well until she saw that I was a Trump fan. Then she hardly talked to me.
I completely get the work one. Being unemployed for a difference in opinion is not a pleasant idea. The one upside of government jobs is you can tell other people to STFU when they bring up politics as you all sign paperwork saying you are open to termination if you do discuss them at work.
I do like to simply work, get my job done, and clock out. If there's chit-chat, that's for after work drinks or not at all.
I love talking politics, the other side has no facts, no clues, no answers, when you give them facts they stomp their feet, shake their fists in the air and scream at the sky, just like the tantrum throwing toddlers they are.
I think that goes both ways though. Objectivity is something that is becoming increasingly difficult to find. The center is eroding more and more rapidly with the bipolar politics, and presentation of "facts" on both sides, facts which conveniently cannot be independently verified until a year later with objective data, and as presented by them paint opposite pictures of the country we live in.
If you do have a truly objective news source, please, share it. I hunger for knowledge, and I'm not getting it from MSNBC, CNN, or Fox.
I'd be concerned with a FtM "straight" person. Lesbians have the most domestic violence compared to any other demographic, trans the most mental instability, combining the two is like giving a shark rabies. Oh, steroids too. So I wouldn't say I'm free with my views with everyone and anyone, just most people lol
Well, if you want to debate I'm open to that. The only thing I throw temper tantrums over are 2A, and how both right and left that go extreme can't see the extent to which they're being manipulated.
Extreme in either direction is too much extreme is extreme and you can’t talk to these people on either side because they are already convinced they’re right and get angry and abusive the moment you dare to disagree I must apologize I have no idea what 2A is 🤷♀️
Completely irrelevant in the UK lol, 2nd amendment in the US, right to bear arms. I'm actually hoping for another Brady Bill assault weapons type deal to come down the line. Arms sales skyrocketed last time that happened and I made a killing on the fringe. If I become a FFL dealer this time around, retirement time.
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Oh when your age is revealed just wait for the boomer comments. Yeah lots of ageism here with a complicit Administration.
Heh, I like the second one. Kids don't read the ToS... Ageism exists out of fear. We know we either get old or die. You represent the best of possible outcomes, consistently getting prunier lol
Seriously though, getting old is an achievement. So many people do stupid shit and die young. Most of my friends didn't make it to 30. Could be lifestyle choices on my part though...
I think we shouldn’t be fearful but rather talk about big issues with a matter of decency and respect. Only then will people realize that republicans and democrats actually have a lot more in common and we’re not all crazy like the media outlets would have us believe.
I wish more people had that point of view, far left and far right are both being manipulated. Both parties are issuing proposals and counter proposals on the federal level that just remove more of our freedoms bit by bit. We're too damned worried about white vs black, red vs blue, and who "wins" that we don't notice how bit by bit we are going to have no class mobility if this keeps up for another generation or two.
I've never been afraid I'm proud of being conservative.
our values are about decency, morals and equality not equity like the left. we are the family type, hard working individuals that built this nation from the ground up. no free shit, you want that car or phone? you better fucking work that shit no freebies!
I think that's more the battle of capitalism vs. socialism, which is a wild turn that has been taken within the last decade.
pure socialism only means more tax, more spending higher debt.
capitalism with a little bit of socialism has always worked. lower taxes, money spent on things that matter, may the best man win. we have always had government assistance even with capitalism.
only the rich get richer under socialism
the little guy has a chance to be at the top under capitalism
That would be why China turned very quickly from communism to capitalism after their revolution. Pay enough to get people involved and energetic, then forget that project. Hell, it was the entire point of their communism and socialism, uplift the poor, control their production, make the country as a whole more powerful, abandon the project for capitalism. The rich certainly got richer.
Lol I guess that's why they still call themselves "china communitst party/CCP" I mean it's not like they're still communist or anything it's not even in the name!
also yes they knew societal collapse was inevitable under communism. they are capitalist but mostly communist. kinda kike how we were mostly capitalist but a little tiny bit of socialism, worked well that way tbh.
Well I'm not really afraid. I just don't really care or follow it that closely. I just base my opinion based on what I've seen.
But I generally don't talk politics to strangers on social media. Cause I think some people are crazy and has such extreme views that I'd rather not get involved.
So more that you don't have any strong biases there, and don't want to get pulled into any "side"?
Well I don't believe in parties in general. I still don't completely know what people mean by the left and the right.
And I think that's one of the biggest things that's wrong with politics in general. They take sides instead of just looking at determining for yourself what's right.
Im not afraid but when you're on a different page, people aren't willing to hear you out without throwing insults and jabs. I’m over it
Facts!!! That is dumb true
Well, to be fair that's over a lot more than politics that happens on, especially online. Standing for anything will net you people who will judge and throw insults and jabs. Your sexual preferences, religion, so on and so forth. It does get more personal fast with politics though.
The camps have been there quite a long time. It's just the advent and popularity of social media that has brought them into the light from obscurity. Now with the camps in the light, everyone can see how out-of-touch, self-centered, or pathetic the people are in them. Unfortunately it's those members of the camps that cause the freedom of expression to take a back seat so their precious feelings won't be offended. Well, IMHO, fuck them!
I'm of the same opinion, and that the "canceling" will massively backfire. There's no way to stop the hyperinflation at this point short of closing off foreign relations, which would just make it worse. I do find it funny that on both the right and left, there are actors pushing agendas for totalitarianism, with supporters blindly supporting them because they would hurt their opponent, forget about how much it hurts you.
Like setting my house on fire so the embers get your roof, sigh.
I'm not afraid, I don't have any motivation to discuss my political views with people who are obviously not capable to write two sentences without insults or are obsessed with racialism in one way or another.
Racism? Tribalism? I'm sorry, I see the word racialism, and I'm very confused. I think I get the concept... maybe. Is there turmoil in Poland's politics? I've heard it's quite beautiful (and cold) there :)
I never discuss politics. It is not that i'm afraid our ideologies will match or not. It's just that I feel most of the politics that goes on is corrupt and I'd rather not break a friendship over that. Nothing is black or white, everything is grey
I agree with that, Biden visited near me today, it gives me hope that I can once again be part of a pit of money and help it disappear lol
Lmao
Since forever? Conservatives vs Democrats, Capitalists vs communists, Democracy vs Fascism, Nationalism vs Nationalism, Christianity vs Islam etc.. This has always been how people "discuss politics" if not more violent and refusal to communicate.
You don't want to to stretch it over human life time, in fact objectivity starts to suffer after half. As those weren't us. There's obviously something else going on right now that's different than it was in recent past.
There's historical connections and similarities in this day and the past, but not from any one era to say it's historical cycle either. If it is, then there's going to be really tough times a head because so many cycle low points is hitting us at the same time. Not only we switched from industrial manufacturing to information technology but the system of production changing too, revolution that changes governing method, world wars... all kickin in on one big swoooosh...
And people have always gotten along vast majority of time, it's only once interests of leaders clashed when they spent resources for an army upkeep when ordinary people went to kill each others before Classical and Late Modernity and birth of nationalism. There's been wars like "Hundred Years 'War" (from 1337 to 1453) only because people were busy minding other businesses than killing each other
So the 13th Century on? The implication there is that communication and forming larger communities and democracies made us more unable to connect than being serfs, slaves, or nobles with only nobles or merchants having any communication between communities.
@Maissilapsi Fundamentally I fail to see how switching a person born today with one born 2000 years ago would produce a different result. Humans are still driven by the same motivations and although we are currently in a world that is changing much quicker than historically its not like life is much different between transitions either. We have always been incredibly good to find reasons to bash eachothers heads in over political differences.
Because it didn't really happen before, common folk, or peasants, didn't have own interest to view peasant from other area as a threat in anyway. Unless they came with other, armed and led by some nobility with some interest in the area. Concepts like racism is relatively new phenomenon although during feudal times darker skin was associated to working in sunshine at fields and that way seen as lower class, almost globally.
Only after Europeans saw other folk as good income source they started to invent, literally invent, these concepts such as racism to justify things like slave trade and colonialism.
Again, religion was an institute of power in feudal times. Nobility and Kings could force their will on people because God wanted it so. Religious wars has always been result of couple individuals having their personal interests on crash course. Only phenomenon stemming from otherness before nationalism and colonialism era "philosophies" justifying looting and plundering of distant lands is European antisemitism. It has long traditions among Christians, and the same tropes been recycled at least a millennium now. It too stems from individual political ambitions rather than some religious feud. Jewish hasn't been able to own land or property in Europe... since like... Romans ruled the continent to the various degrees of modernity, making them targets of unpopular leaders to shift the blame for. New testament actually being used as one of the first antisemitic literatures, or some variation of it. Martin Luther, a giant antisemite etc...
Today things are different in many ways because we're all nobility in certain sense as we compete for resources to buy some dream sold to us by massmedia etc...
@Maissilapsi True, even the poorest person in just about any nation today is faring better than a peasant in a rich country, or hunter-gatherer before agrarian farming. Life expectancy doesn't end at 30 anymore...
I guess we all buy into different dreams. Mine is simply to own land, rent some of it, and be left alone. As that is in jeopardy, I have to look at the wider world, and gathering people to sustain that reality. Politics is the tool that has put me in a precarious situation, politics is therefore a tool I need to learn to use.
@Maissilapsi Point to a period in human history and its childishly easy to provide an example of humans arbitrarily singling out individuals as a different group than them and committing atrocities against them.
Middle ages? Witches, heretics, marauding raiders (vikings) etc..
Roman era? I mean they had a stratified civilization in the first place. If you were not a native "roman" you were already a 2nd class citizen with lesser rights and god help you if you where one of the countless people enslaved by them. Rome also had a very colorful history such as how frequently emperors and senators got murdered or how people who supported different sports teams tended to tear each other apart quite literally.
If you go back in time to any time period I highly suggest you DONT talk too loudly about any of your beliefs be they political or not. Even just doing some magic tricks might get you get torn to pieces by an angry mob because they think their misfortune is caused by your "Magic" and much the same if you display an interest in medicine to treat illness.
There is very few things you can talk about safely.
We've romanticised the past to unrecognisable to tell some stories in past context. Golden Horde killed plebs pretty indiscriminately, but some witch hunts were straight up politics as women started gaining political influence and mandated by Inquisition. Again, vast masses wanted to survive. There might have been some high bandits but if they took life, a scene from Simpsons would've ensued with whole lot of pitchforks and torches. People were more in touch with land that directly fed them, they knew how to respect life and mutual aid we often credit Kropotkin for was everyday life. I help you today, you help me tomorrow. Happiness wasn't something individuals have which Nietzsche and capitalism "corrupted" it to become but something common and shared. Vikings weren't generally violent, it's propaganda, mainly by Swedish nationalists, but rather farmers, traders and occasionally looters when some clan lost power struggle to other clan which then exiled the losers which then raided places or died trying, out of necessity, not for being way of life. One mercenary group is known from Jómsvíkinga Saga and couple others manuscripts known as the Jómsvikings but who fought for Christians etc with biggest purse, gradually becoming first Knights Order. This is evident from archeology and sagas written by contemporary scribes. Actually, most we know about the Viking life is from one Icelandic dude called Snorri Sturluson. Snorri doesn't have much other to say than list some royal family ties and how Loki turned himself to a female horse so Ice Giant would impregnate him and then gave birth to Fenrir (kills Odin in Ragnarök) Jörmungandr (seaserpent that stretches around earth and eats it's own ass) and Hél (Empress of afterlife place, not to mix with Valhalla though) Loki was one of main deities of the culture, like was Odin (Wotan) who was straight up rapist, some speculate Loki was Ódin's other personality...
Common perception of past folks is often heavily based on romanticised nationalist rhetoric, how "we were brave warriors" or "how others barbaric", like much other common opinions of past. Sometimes it's colored by ultranationalism other times we want to lift our own perceived civility on pedestal
And what do we know from the past, the tragedies. We have no records, at least interesting ones, how people weren't on each others throats
Most brutality happened in past hundred years, well 105. WW 2, quite common scenenery on both side at almost all fronts: Disoriented men in shock, some lost their minds completely during 12h, even days long artillery shelling on their position, ripping their clothes to dust and who start getting up from their fox holes while shells whistling just wanting out, not knowing what was happening and so on. Some covered on bloody human tissue, some without an arm or some other part of body, when the officers & MP's, or Chekas in Red Army, opens fire the men, on their side...
That's less than 100 years ago. Some are still alive who've witnessed scenes like that themselves...
There has been human alienation from humanity been going on since industrial revolution and last world wars hopefully will go down to history as last global totalitarian wars. I don't think we even have means to survive our inhumanity without wars anymore, let alone total war scenario
Politics are a waste of time. At the end of the day, NO politician can be trusted. They gain power through lies and do not easily let that power go. Once in power, they serve themselves, not the country.
It's what makes me most sad about people buying into bi-partisan politics. If there were four or five parties there would still be corruption, but they'd have to show results, or fade into obscurity. We stick with this two party deal and think by and large "yeah, they're sticking up for me, totally not working together to take turns with who lubes and who pushes."
It's less about fear, but more of just seeing the value in it.
Everytime I discuss politics with someone in the past it's just basically the other guy mocking and shit talking me, there's no meaningful value in that.
not seeing the value*
I hear that. You do have to pick your battles on many things in life. At least you're learning that younger than I did lol
There's no actual poltical discussion online, or there's very little of it.
What you see the most is stupid propaganda and imposing attitudes.
That's the short answer.
I'll admit I'm pretty intractable on 2A, besides that there is an ocean of ignorance, it's why I stick center rather than right or left. Either side could benefit or hurt me depending on circumstances. Both sides have power hungry A-holes, both sides have people acting in what they believe is best for their constituents. Having an open mind and seeing what actually works is pretty important.
That's my view at least.
I'm not afraid to be what I am. If I choose to be a neo-fascist it doesn't mean I agree with Hitler or Mussolini it means I want to take the negative image of fascism and turn it into a clean ideology which will work.
Antifa is anti fascist I'm on the other extreme end.
If NATO comes at your door pointing guns then you point a cannon at them.
I'm joking lol.
I think someone complained about my original question to you and it got removed, curious.
Cannons require a lot to maintain, fire, and have accuracy. Claymores are far more efficient, cheap, no maintenance, and require no accuracy, simply the right general direction.
It's not afraid but it's just such a waste of time and energy.
The entrenchment in views, or is there simply nothing to gain?
every second of your life revolves around politics wether you like it or not.
@Opressed_Leecher nit my life. Yes we are subject to the its effects - Case and point COVID - but revolves round? Errr not my life.
Not really much to gain.
@razelove not really much to gain due to entrenchment in views.
Agreed with @Coulis
@coulis That part is depressing to me. There are few things I dig my heels into the ground on, pretty much all revolving around my family. Call me naive (I know I am in many ways) but it seems like there was flexibility and debate up until W vs. Gore. Then people started to really crystallize in their views, especially the "As long as it fucks you over, I'll vote for it!"
Yeah Americans get really into politics. I saw some vignette and it was like these old grannies talking about how they can't wait till the election is over so they can talk to their friends again. Just seems really extreme.
That's sad, enough young and old people are already lonely from isolation due to Covid, to have further isolation due to ideological differences is pathetic. There's people I don't see eye to eye on concerning politics, but I'll still encourage our kids to play. It'd be sick to do otherwise, not like anyone's indoctrinating anyone else here.
we are literally where we are at based on politics.
if we never had a say (vote free speech) on how and who operates our government we would be mostly Russian or Chinese. they would of conquered us decades ago. we were lucky to be we're we were at before this year.
@anon1903 Cool, thanks!
about the whole anti patriotism/patriarchal/nationalism garbage you libs cry about.
do you realize you wouldn't be here if we weren't patriarchal nationalist patriots 70 years ago during world war 2 or nam? your grandparents would of been put in camps executed, you wouldn't exist! it's all based on politics and beliefs that's why other countries hate us so much. everything you do or own revolves around politics the smartphone and Starbucks you have is affordable because of capitalism. the welfare check the low income family receives every month is because of socialist polices capitalist pay for. you literally breathes politics.
the Russians, Germans or Chinese would of conquered us in the 40s if it wasn't for the conservative patriots here and our strong manly allies overseas teaming up and fighting the evil socialist/communist.
I’m not afraid to talk about politics. Not at all. If people don’t like my political views, to hell with them. However, I typically don’t discuss politics because I enjoy talking to people about more pleasant topics.
I teach in higher education and I am a Trump supporter. Most of the time I feel like there is a target on my back. I had a Trump sticker on my office door and two days later somebody ripped it off.
Well, you can't carry a gun or knife on school grounds... but no one said anything about a vest or baton lol It's a pointer for the blackboard!
The professor in the office next to mine cried for 3 days after Trump got elected.
I hate histrionics. Probably a guy too, sigh
She was a woman. I moved to a different office and I wanted to make some new friends. I thought we got along well until she saw that I was a Trump fan. Then she hardly talked to me.
I love discussing politics but I am choosy with whom. I don't discus politics at work ever. I also tend to avoid the topic at family gatherings.
I completely get the work one. Being unemployed for a difference in opinion is not a pleasant idea. The one upside of government jobs is you can tell other people to STFU when they bring up politics as you all sign paperwork saying you are open to termination if you do discuss them at work.
I do like to simply work, get my job done, and clock out. If there's chit-chat, that's for after work drinks or not at all.
I love talking politics, the other side has no facts, no clues, no answers, when you give them facts they stomp their feet, shake their fists in the air and scream at the sky, just like the tantrum throwing toddlers they are.
I think that goes both ways though. Objectivity is something that is becoming increasingly difficult to find. The center is eroding more and more rapidly with the bipolar politics, and presentation of "facts" on both sides, facts which conveniently cannot be independently verified until a year later with objective data, and as presented by them paint opposite pictures of the country we live in.
If you do have a truly objective news source, please, share it. I hunger for knowledge, and I'm not getting it from MSNBC, CNN, or Fox.
Why should you? I’m not afraid discussing politics with anyone.
I'd be concerned with a FtM "straight" person. Lesbians have the most domestic violence compared to any other demographic, trans the most mental instability, combining the two is like giving a shark rabies. Oh, steroids too. So I wouldn't say I'm free with my views with everyone and anyone, just most people lol
More often than not instead of a interesting informative debate it just turns into a one sided slanging match so I generally just can’t be bothered
Well, if you want to debate I'm open to that. The only thing I throw temper tantrums over are 2A, and how both right and left that go extreme can't see the extent to which they're being manipulated.
Extreme in either direction is too much extreme is extreme and you can’t talk to these people on either side because they are already convinced they’re right and get angry and abusive the moment you dare to disagree I must apologize I have no idea what 2A is 🤷♀️
Completely irrelevant in the UK lol, 2nd amendment in the US, right to bear arms. I'm actually hoping for another Brady Bill assault weapons type deal to come down the line. Arms sales skyrocketed last time that happened and I made a killing on the fringe. If I become a FFL dealer this time around, retirement time.