What is all this bull shit about how many people die by guns?

[Daniela1982]

In 2020 around 20,000 people died in gun violence. So outlaw guns?

Every year 480,000 die of smoking related causes. So we should outlaw cigarettes.
Every year 35,000 die in auto accidents so let's outlaw cars.
Every year 600,000 die of cancer. So let's outlaw every single thing that can cause cancer. Boy wouldn't your life suck without all those things.
Every day 30 people die from drunk driving. Outlaw alcohol.
More than 70,000 Americans died from drug-involved overdose in 2019, including illicit drugs and prescription opioids.
Every day 22 veterans commit suicide and 1 in every 100 deaths is by suicide.
in 14% of fatal car accidents was the result of cell phone usage while driving.

So if you look at the statistics you will more likely die from anything else but gun violence.

[Leavesbound]

I agree with your statistics. I am very familiar with them. Smoking killed almost everyone I ever loved. I never smoked but I almost died from cancer as a result of years of involuntary exposure to second hand smoke. Of the ones on your list I actually do advocate for criminalizing smoking or rather the sales and manufacture of tobacco products.

I don't advocate taking guns away from law abiding citizens. But I do notice a few things. A huge percentage of gun related deaths are caused by mentally ill people. In fact most mentally ill people are free to roam the earth with few restrictions. I know I used to volunteer at a homeless shelter which half its clients were mentally ill. Our attitude about mental illness is that it's not our problem and when a mentally ill person gets their hands on a gun we blame the gun not the person who let them have it. Deaths from gun accidents mostly can be prevented through proper gun training. Gun safety was taught in the military. But today we have done away with conscription service so most people haven't got a clue with gun safety. Gun safety should be taught as a mandatory course on the high school level. Also there should be mental illness screenings on high school level and that should be mandatory for all students or part of all doctor assessments. We should penalize people who let children and mentally ill people have access to guns. When a kid who was autistic killed a bunch of first graders in Connecticut it was because his mother let him play with guns. She paid for that mistake with her life. Had she kept them under lock and key nobody today would have any idea what Sandy Hook was. Outlawing guns won't keep them out of the hands of criminals. But being more aware and properly treating mental illness and expecting people to take responsibility for poor handling of guns might.

[Daniela1982]

Most people who kill others with guns are mentally ill in some respect or other. What person in their right minds would kill their kids or a loved one unless they were crazy in some way. I think if someone thinks that someone may do violence that person should not have access to guns. The problem is that even when the police are notified of some impending shooting they do jack shit until it happens. They say we can't do anything until they actually kill you. That should not be the case.

[Leavesbound]

I agree. Time and again I read about some mass shooting where someone reported the killer before hand and the police said they couldn't do anything and then the person went out and shot up their work or someplace they had a beef with. Here in Florida we have something called the baker act where a police officer can take anyone into custody for observation for 72 hours if that person displays behavior or says anything that might indicate they are a danger to others or themselves. It is not applied often enough but it's a start and more states need laws like that.

[FunkyMonkee]

We can't over-throw the government with cigarettes! Once they get our guns, we're SEVERELY FUCKED!!! They can do ANYTHING THEY WANT to us!!! THAT'S why we HAVE the 2nd Amendment!! It gives us the right to PROTECT ourselves from tyrants like what we have in the White House, now and even REMOVE THEM by force and replace them with whoever we see fit!! They can't have that so, they're coming for our guns and using this fucking bullshit ruse to get them!! Even if it means hiring people to go into a school and shoot a bunch of people to make it look worse than it actually is, which they've done several times!

[FunkyMonkee]

As for cancer, it's EASILY cured!! There are nearly 400 KNOWN NATURAL cures and most of them you can get at the grocery store for a few bucks! One in Australia is called blushwood berries. They kinda look like testicles and, when you cut them open there's a goo inside that looks like cum. I don't know what it is but, something in the goo can cure even stage 4 cancer within 48 HOURS!!

[Daniela1982]

I have not heard of these but Big Pharma probably sees that you don't.

[FunkyMonkee]

Exactly!!
Mom had cancer all over her body a few years ago, HUGE green and purple bruise marks all over her torso!! After I left her in the hospital, I went across the road to the grocery store and bought two things I was told would cure cancer and went home to make this stuff. The next day, I started giving it to her twice a day. It doesn't taste bad but CAN taste a bit like rubber. Part of it is basically tree sap so, that's why. She got at least a teaspoon full twice a day (maybe a tablespoon full). They wanted to give her chemo but she refused! About a week later, she told me that her Dr. came in to check on her and told her, "I don't know what you're doing and I DON'T WANT to know but, whatever it is, keep it up because your cancer is going away!!" 2 or 3 months later, she was completely clean!!

[FunkyMonkee]

https://youtu.be/KxJCR4AP_Is

[JuliaStyles]

In Oregon a lot of us live for Deer hunting season. Not everyone who owns or uses guns has them strictly to kill people. They are used by cowards and crazy people. In the city I live in the mental health the mental health clinic had to add on since they have so many people needing counseling and it's hard to get an appointment. They a lot of insurance companies limit our benefits for mental health. Then people wonder why there are so many people who act out and maybe use guns. Some use guns and kill people because they are too cowardly to commit suicide without having to kill someone to give them the motivation to kill them self. It actually happened her in Portland when some exchange students were shot at a club before the shooter committed suicide.
On January 24, 2009, Erik Salvador Ayala opened fire indiscriminately outside of an under-21 nightclub, called The Zone, in Portland, Oregon, United States, killing two attendees and wounding seven others. Most of the victims were foreign exchange students. Police have defined murders as a random act of violence. It has been called, "the worst mass shooting in Portland's history".

Ayala was critically wounded after the attack by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head. He died two days later in a Portland-area hospital.

[Anonymous]

This is such a stupid argument. Guns are bad and cancer is bad. Both can be bad. Just because cancer kills more people doesn’t mean the tens of thousands of lives killed by guns don’t matter! American is insane with their gun laws and culture. And that needs to change. Ban guns just like they banned leaded gasoline.

[Daniela1982]

It is stupid in a way in that so much media coverage is given to owning a gun than all the other causes of death, which in one year is more than all the gun deaths combined in the last 25 years. But owning a gun is no worse than owning a car, because it is not the gun or car that kills, it is the person who wields it. Perhaps if so much media coverage wasn't given to people who kill with guns then all the people who want to make a name for themselves when they go out in life would probably not do any shootings. Perhaps if all the people who get bullied, treated like outcasts, and unfairly treated by asshole bosses were treated like they matter in life they wouldn't be using guns either.

[Opinion Owner]

But a gun death is COMPLETELY PREVENTABLE. You just don't own guns. If you ban guns you can save tens of thousands of lives. You can't "ban cancer" because people can be born with it. That's why the comparison is dumb.

All those children murdered by guns in schools is *completely preventable* with better gun control laws. That's why the USA is the only country where people are *regularly* mass murdered by guns.

[Daniela1982]

And probably the only country where mental health issues are not taken seriously. A gun doesn't shoot someone on it's own. It has a crazy person behind it. That crazy person just could well use a car, molotov cocktail, or explosives to kill. I just read where some crazy guy used an ax to kill several members of his family. When the Government starts to take mental health more seriously and health insurers start giving more coverage for mental health things would probably improve.

[Opinion Owner]

yeah a gun can kill 70 people in a few minutes. Mental health issues happen in other countries too but because there are no guns then only a few people die. Guns are DESIGNED TO MURDER. That is their original purpose. It's so stupid to have them legal..

[blank_expression]

This only about disarming citizens to fully lay down dictatorship. Xi even said the only reason the US hasn’t been invaded was that “there is a gun behind every blade of grass.” Xi (CCP) has also said that the citizens of the US need to be disarmed. The idiots that look down at gun owners do not have the capacity to recognize much of their undeserved freedom exists because of all of the evil gun owners. The neighbor with the lights on for protection derives his/her non-home invasion from the armed citizens around him/her with dark houses. As long as there is freedom derived from any venue, that shall be attacked by the NWO dictators and their underling Dem puppets.

[BCA6010]

Statistics go much deeper than that too. On any given year, a huge chunk (between 50-70%) of "gun deaths" in the US are actually suicides, and numbers that contribute to "shootings" and "mass shootings" are not one in the same with "deaths." It's one of the easiest, most circulated subjects which people can bend numbers on to fit any argument that they want.

At the end of the day though, the people pushing for virtually any level of gun control are very clearly not doing it in the name of public safety, or else they'd be addressing the issue very differently, or addressing other, more prominent problems first.

[Likes2drive]

You definitely have a point and think like me, It’s funny how weed has been illegal the whole time In most states until recently and how many people have died from smoking weed? I can’t think of any but it seems like they’re banning and outlawing the wrong things, it’s the individual and not the product but it all stems on upbringing and education that is the root cause

[Daniela1982]

Mental illness is a big reason for gun violence. Yet is much actually done about that?

[Likes2drive]

Unfortunately not but I agree

[monkeynutts]

Yeah, it’s kinda bizarre, we had a gang member shot to death on a busy road in the heart of the city CBD last weekend. It was interesting because the news reporters interviewed either a Canadian or American woman, and she was terribly shocked. We have strict rules here, and we still have gun violence.

[Massageman]

Yup. Right on. According to the WHO (which is "never wrong"), an estimated 236,000 people drown each year. I guess we'll just have to ban dihydrogen oxide (water).

[Daniela1982]

I had never heard of that many people a year drowning.

[Massageman]

That's worldwide. U. S. is a very small part of that.

[Daniela1982]

That's probably more people who get murdered with guns each year.

[jshm2]

You're not the brightest, but I may have a crayon to spare for you.

Guns are not smoked, driven, drunk, or any of that other bullshit. No one chooses to be shot, either. The purpose of guns is not to mow the lawn or anything else.

A gun is only used for one purpose.

I am at the end of that crayon. If you cannot figure out the purpose of a gun, then what little education you have, has failed you.

[JuliaStyles]

Why don't you tell that to the US Government who has killed more innocent people with guns than any civilian ever has in the history of the world.

[Jessica405]

This is the point:

Most of the examples you give are avoidable, with maybe cancer as the exception. Many, like smoking, drug use and suicide are self inflicted.

Gun crime is a deliberate act by one or more people against other people.

[mattissebfan5]

So true it's baffling that people defend guns

[Daniela1982]

Anytime you take a drink and get behind the wheel of a car it is a deliberate act. Every time you are texting someone when driving it is a deliberate act that ends up against other people. Every time you over eat and die by a heart attack it is a deliberate act that affects your families. But the fact is, whether it is deliberate or not, there are more deaths in one year from all these other causes that by all the gun deaths in the last 25 years. It's just that dying by a gun is more sensationalized than dying from a person dying because they were texting while driving along with the 5 people in the other car they collided with.

[Daniela1982]

@mattissebfan5 The same reason people defend the millions of babies that are killed each year by abortion.

[Jessica405]

You are missing the whole point of reducing all deaths. UK doesn't have guns. It is so easy for an American to be a hero behind a gun!

[Jessica405]

Also the point is that the people you quote HAVE A CHOICE. Smoke or not. Drink or not. Text or not.

The poor sod on the wrong end of a gun has NO choice. Now argue against that.

[Daniela1982]

The UK does have guns. I have seen it before on a TV show where CC cameras are covering the whole town.

[Daniela1982]

He had a choice not to hang around in bad areas or to screw some girl of a jealous husband. How's that?

[Jessica405]

Bullshit. Some of these kids that get shot at schools have no choice!

[Jessica405]

Guns in UK are mostly illegal. Not so in US.

[888theGreat]

You are dealing with liberals. The 1% crisis rule. Oh and yes they would like to make tobacco illegal, guns illegal, gas burning cars illegal. Now alcohol they want. They want Americans drunk so they can screw them without them realizing it.

[NYCQuestions1976]

I've posted this many times on this site. I support the Second Amendment AND comprehensive universal federal background checks. These things are not mutually exclusive.

[Daniela1982]

I agree that more should be done to keep people who shouldn't have guns from getting them.

[NYCQuestions1976]

Yes. The problem is a mental health crisis. There are people who have a history of mental illnesses, but don't have criminal records, that many times manage to get their hands on "legal" firearms, because they can "pass" a basic criminal background check without raising red flags. That's the bottom line issue that needs to be addressed.

[Anonymous]

Because the government need people to be unarmed in order to control them, the Nazis had the same policy

[Jessica405]

No one actually needs guns. How many guns are there in US, and how often do they get used?

[Vixxxen]

🙌🙌🙌

[Daniela1982]

@Jessica405 If they won't be used why does everyone cry and complain because someone has one? I like to go plinking in the desert while others like to have sex with 2 other people at one time. Why can they have their fun but I can't have mine? I'm not hurting anything but cans yet a whole lot of shit can happen because of sex and it's not all good. Every wonder why In the United States, an estimated 460,000 children are reported missing every year​?

[Jessica405]

You might just shoot cans. Others don't.

[Daniela1982]

@Jessica405 Don't forget the jealous lovers or the cheated on Ex who kills their cheating ex wife/boyfriend and it isn't always done with guns. The world trade center attack didn't use guns either no do most serial killers. It's more like mental illness problems which is the bigger problem than gun ownership.

[SmokinAces2000]

Well actually we should outlaw cigarettes and alcohol

[SamFromFL]

It’s called facts. So many countries actually have better gun restrictions. The US needs to restrict many more guns to save lives.

[Daniela1982]

The US needs to do something to keep us from dying by pollution too and poisoning us all but no one is doing anything about that. Right now half of the water in the US, including the great lakes, are too polluted to drink without costly filtering. Yet instead of looking at all these things that we can get cancer from they concentrate on dying fast from a gun instead of slow, lingering death by cancer.

[SamFromFL]

Yea! We need to pass a huge environmental bill, trillions to save the environment. We only have a few years left

[OddBeMe]

No, don’t ban. But can we have the same regulations for guns as we do cigarettes and cars?

[Daniela1982]

Like what?

[OddBeMe]

Like car registrations. Transporting cigarettes across state lines. Mandatory ID checks.

[Daniela1982]

They already do that in many states.

[OddBeMe]

Oh great, so it’s all good then.

[007kingifrit]

exactly, i don't want you to be safe. i want you to be free

[NightHawk99]

I wonder how many people die from vaccines. 🤔

[J9inva]

True. All good points.

[Makeushiver]

Excellent idea

[Pterodon]

I know