I'm 100% with you I mean I shouldn't have my gun rights taken away from me because of what somebody else does I'm very responsible with my guns are in a locked place unloaded and nobody could get to them except for me I see it starts with the parents if you raised your kid in the wrong manner you need to tell somebody or get help from somebody if you kid has a mental health problem I know parents don't want to do that cuz then that makes him look bad but what would you rather do look bad or have your kid go out and kill 50 other kids is b******* parents need to start teaching their kids who and how to be in a positive manner not act like a total jerk not to your kids bad not make life all about you but you have a child it's all about that child and you're responsible for that child but who they become in life
For a kid to walk in to the store at 18 years old and by two weapons that he but plus all the ammunition that he bought that right there tells me that's a red flag I don't think they did a very good background check on him. At 18 years old for him to walk into a place of business and Buy 2 AR-15 assault weapons all the clips that you bought all the ammunition I would like to know a little bit more about this guy especially in today's world now the last time I went by the gun it took me about a month go to background check I wasn't able to buy it that same day and take it home that same day but I guess in Texas you can do that I'm for anything that works
The longer we avoid the real causes of these atrocities the longer we are going to suffer from them. American society and western society as a whole is on the brink of collapse, we have more problems than anyone is willing to admit. And the only thing our government cares about to arguing about the most divisive issues that we have absolutely no common ground on.
That said, firearms are one of the few things that ever single person needs because when there is no one left to help you in the coming crisis’, you’ll be at the mercy of everyone else that does.
Your right, they are focused on gun control for law abiding but ignore the elephant in the room with the cartels and gun trafficking being right there after drug trafficking.
Those gangs aren't doing background checks, before they get illegal guns and start shooting at each other, hitting and killing innocent people who just happened to be driving by or walking by.
Lets ignore a open border that guns come across every day and focus on people who are already following the law to make their lives harder... so we can all feel better.
The problem is not a tool, it is something deeper.
Yeah but a lot of these school shooters aren’t hardened criminals. They’re mentally ill white suburban teens (well, Salvador Ramos wasn’t white, but you get what I mean) who would have no idea how to buy a gun in the hood. They get these guns legally.
Ramos would at some point figured a method to do mass grave harm whether he had an “assault” rifle or not. He would either built bombs (Columbine kids did this), drive a car through a crowd of people or get acquainted with the black market to buy a high capacity rifle illegally.
There were SEVERAL red flags about his deteriorating mental behavior. It’s now been discovered that he posted a pic on social media (not sure when) of bag full of bloody cats. That’s just depraved. Psychos usually harm animals first and then move on to even worse.
of the 13 school shootings since 1960 (yes that's total) only 4 got their guns legally
they said they were going to kill people. They could have stopped them. They simply didn't want to.
@ninaneedshelp people hesitate because they don’t envision someone they know would actually go through with it. There are a lot of weird teen boys out there who occasionally post and say bizarre and sometimes scary crap but never act on it. I guess friends and former friends don’t want to “tattletale” on them. Like that might be some sort of ultimate betrayal or something.
But this kid was taking it to a whole another level. He cut his own face up with a knife and told his friend he did it “too look cool”. He was threatening to murder and rape girls online. It has now surfaced that he once posted a bag full of bloody cats smiling. Why the hell no one did anything about that is completely beyond me. Not only was that sick and depraved but it was a felony crime of animal cruelty.
I was a “weird” teen boy growing up. I had an absolute hell on earth experience with bullying in grade school and middle school. But I didn’t like being weak so I got heavily involved with sports. That didn’t solve everything but it gave me direction and much more self confidence than I had in the 5th grade. Much better than video games and isolation.
This kid needed:
1) a sense of healthy direction in his life
2) a father figure
3) effective and consistent therapy
4) a healthy way to get his anger out. If he was involved with a combat sport (wrestling, boxing, mma) that would of definitely helped.
Anyway I don’t want to drum up any sympathy for him. I usually don’t pass spiritual judgment on people but if you harm and murder innocent children I highly doubt Jesus is going to have nice things to say to you at the pearly gates. All sympathy I had for his hellish upbringing has gone out the window.
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It would help if liberals actually got educated about guns in the first place. Many of them are so ignorant (including Biden) they don’t even know the difference between semi-auto and full automatic weapons. They keep using the political scare phrase “assault weapon” when all that means is a normal semi auto rifle with a few extra gadgets.
But they are too lazy and stupid to research guns and statistics about firearm homicides. The vast majority of shooting deaths are committed by handguns via inner city crime. Usually those guns are unregistered and obtained illegally.
With that said the victims families in Uvalde are understandably devastated and furious. But if we truly want to have more safety in our public schools it’s not going to be accomplished from a nationwide gun ban. That Ramos kid would of committed a mass atrocity with or without a gun. He would be the type to drive a pick up truck through a crowd of people or figure out how to build bombs.
@goaded I don’t have any idea what I’m talking about? www.washingtonpost.com/.../...f6cfdece8_story.html
Sources:
Up to 2000: https://pic.plover.com/Nevin/Nevin2000.pdf (Fig. 11, page 21)
After 2000: ucr.fbi.gov/.../violent-crime
No, because they're not out yet. (I was wrong, earlier, they're back to late 1960s levels, not 1950's, but the point is that they went up by a factor of five over 3 decades, and they've halved since the 1990s.) The reason for that was probably lead being introduced into the environment, then removed again.
The point is that a year or two's changes during a time of massive upheaval (pandemic, attempted coup) is not "skyrocketing".
Guns are part of the problem, but we can't un-invent them, and any effort to seize them now would only create more problems, like a civil war.
The much bigger problem is that we have had several decades of dysgenia and allowing the resultant mental defectives to have free reign in society and predate upon everybody else.
Also we live in a “one up” culture via social media. People are constantly getting bombarded with messages that there is someone else out there who is more successful, better looking, has more money, is in a happy relationship, is popular, is more overall “better”. That can cause depression in lots of people but when a person who is already screwed up (Texas shooter) gets exposed to that it screws them up even more.
The people you're referring to just want the quick solution without thinking much into it or considering the human factor, and the politicians who push in that direction are more interested in disarmament than public safety.
It's easier to blame a tool they find scary, than it is to address the broader issues
100%
The mental health issue is the cause of school shootings, but the large criminal culture is caused by the European Monarchs back when we were subjugated colonies.
Brainwashing via the media.
A guy I know has had a video camera aimed at one of his guns sitting in the corner of a room for several months now and, so far, that gun has NEVER left that corner to go out and shoot anybody!! Video evidence confirms this!!
The problem has NOTHING to do with the guns!!
They don't; they think *acessible* guns is the problem. And that restricting their sales would keep people from getting them. Since, you know, it's worked so well with drugs.
Thank you for this obvious piece of sanity.
I'm surprised so many can't figure out what by 10 year old grandson already knows.\
Thugs will ALWAYS find a way to get/build/print/buy/steal an illegal gun of SOME kind. And it's the people - driven by the thinking behind their actions.
Those who think that guns kill people probably think that forks and spoons make them overweight!
With the way everything is going I don't know what illegal means anymore. Illegal aliens get rewarded for crossing the border, illegal surveillance spying on law abiding citizens? My only acronym is AIDS -- America's In Deep Shit
True, but criminals are not generally interested in committing mass shootings of innocent strangers at schools, churches, or public places. They typically use guns for their own protection and to commit crimes against their enemies. Let me know if you have evidence to the contrary.
Criminals don't want to be caught breaking the law. Criminals don't want their sentences extended by years for breaking particular laws. Make it illegal for criminals to carry guns, there will be fewer guns in the hands of criminals.
rightttttt that's why there are no more drug dealers
But not harder to get, the price tag is just a bit higher, and those who want em can still readily get them. Tell me why is it that in Japan, with some exceedingly strict gun laws and almost nobody having one aside from law enforcement and military, are the criminal gangs still getting guns and hand grenades? Because its not too expensive. Guns could be illegal all over America, but smuggling them in isn't hard. Seaports can't check over 90% of freight coming in, and the land border is laughable.
Shit I can literally just hop the border not even 30 miles away and buy from criminals there.
You're being naive and idealistic.
@Agape93 If you can afford tens of thousands for a gun, you don't need to go holding up people on the street, you've got tens of thousands. Some UK criminals rent them short term if they need them, and a major gun gang bust (from 8 years ago) netted a grand total of 8 guns, mostly reactivated handguns. Firearm related crimes occur about 6000 times a year (56 million population), including 25% using imitation firearms. Don't forget, posession of a firearm without a licence is also a gun crime.
commonslibrary.parliament.uk/.../
www.bbc.co.uk/.../gun_no_6_untold_story_britains_deadliest_illegal_firearm
1) Most of the mass shooters got there guns legally or through there parents who bought it legally.
2) government is way more powerful than any guns or militia anyone could ever form. They have a lot more resources and training.
I'll remember that whenever I see the Taliban on TV lol 😄
@OldWorldOrder good one
No guns no shooting. Most people aren't comfortable using a knife or sword to kill someone
No one at school had guns and yet there was a shooting because someone broke that rule. Your point is non existent
There are no gun laws in some states within a lot of feet from schools.
How is that law working?
I guess that the guns know to stay away. But the criminals force the the guns to go to schools
Because they are comparing apples to oranges. They take countries like England (privileged tyrants who exploited other countries for profit) and the US (Exploited victim of the English Crown)
It's because it is what started it in the first place. Same thing as why people hates nukes so much.
Once these things exist there is sadly (and horrifyingly with nukes) no way to get rid of them. You manage them through safety though.
Just look at other countries. Look outside the bubble. You'll have your answer.
Because they are ignorant. A gun is a tool like a hammer, or a shovel. it is as good or as bad as the person using it.
Who do you blame when a drunk driver runs over someone and kills them? Do we blame the fork and spoon for obesity?
If you notice how there's virtually no gun crime in countries where there are gun regulations
so you say... people.howstuffworks.com/...n-laws-less-crime1.htm maybe you should look into that
Uh huh. Doesn't take a genius to work out that if a crazed lunatic that wants to make the world pay can't get an AR15 with 30-100 round magazines that shoots 5.56 and they have on their person 30-600 rounds of ammunition that there's the possibility of 600 or more deaths.
The US is in the top ten with almost the third world countries for murder rates. The majority of murder in the US is committed by a firearm.
and it doesn't take a genius to realize that guns aren't the issue
But they are by the casualty rates of these mass shootings...
The problem is that they know they won't face any real consequence because it's a gun free zone meaning they know they won't get shot
No it's because they have an AR15 with a 30 round magazine and 8 more magazines with them. Also body armour, just saying...
you are wrong sorry
Now let's look crimr in general.
Get your head out your ass, kid. You've no idea what you're talking about.
Access to guns and large caches of ammo by kids and nerdowells is the problem.
people still obtain drugs and they are hard to obtain
doesn't matter.
Simple economics. Take away the supply, demand sky rockets. Crinimals can’t afford guns. Boom.
they steal lol
there's something called the black market 🙄
@DarkWinterNights Legally. 40% of US households pre-pandemic could not afford a single $400 emergency,
@ninaneedshelp Black market gets supplied from…the actual market. Any other tries?
Lmao
Come take my supply, bucko. 😄
@goaded, Or perhaps they wouldn’t? Either on purpose or not. Most people don’t watch the news. What would the government do if they mandated buy backs and the compliance rate was only 50%… or even less? 30%? It would put the government in a very awkward position. Not to mention there are state sanctuary states which would counter-sue and likely end up in the Right-leaning Supreme Court, ultimately destroying gun control as a whole in America.
@DarkWinterNights What do you mean by "Right-leaning Supreme Court"? Do you mean they're no longer an independent branch of the government? How can that be?
@DarkWinterNights And by the way, we’re speaking in the abstract. You gun nuts go off the deep end like fcking snowflakes. I’m a gun owner and I wouldn't want legal gun owners to get confiscated.
I’m talking about a gun buyback program. More restrictions for street criminals, etc. Hobbyists or gun masturbators like you wouldn't have a problem. Whatever you do to your guns in the bedroom, my friend…stays there.
@goaded
"Law-abiding" is completely relative, and you can't even tell me with any degree of certainty what percentage of the armed population fits that bill.
Even a minuscule fraction of us gives you MILLIONS of insurgents to content with, with tens of thousands of combat veterans among their ranks.
You're really not as smart as you think you are, man. 😄
No threats. Only warnings.
You people are the ones talking about coming INTO my house. Don't start no shit, won't be no shit. :)
So what? A gun grab starts a civil war, period. There is really nothing to discuss there lol.
So I can set up a stand right next to the cops with a sign that says, "I'll pay 50 dollars more than they will!" 😄
Buybacks are hilarious. They never have the intended effect, there's literally no proof that they've ever worked. Even in Australia the estimates for compliance have been super low, like 25-30% at best.
Nah I'm good.
Okay. :)
@OddBeMe, America is not Australia. There are probably x3-5 the amount of firearms confiscated in Australia in my state alone. Not to mention mass shootings weren’t really a thing in America either until Columbine and people realized how easy it was to go down in the history books. That was also before the major mental health crisis of the last 20 years was really a thing as well.
As sad as it is to say, America has much more serious issues. Like the average of 40% of young Republicans and Democrats, male and female, who think assassination of a politician that is a threat to “America” is acceptable.
@DarkWinterNights statistically why should it matter? Either the policy works or it doesn't.
Australia is a 1st world country. The USA is not.
When we compare America to actual peer nations like Brazil, India and South Africa, we actually look pretty good.
Seriously, it's not that difficult to figure out.
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