Most men who are pro life are just pro birth because they do nothing for the life of babies after they are born and they don't have to deal with their birth. Most are mean towards the new life of the baby and most are hypocrites. "I wouldn't adopt. I don't want to care for another man's seed. Oh so you would abort because it's just a clump of cells? 🤯" "I don't want to date single monthers. *Actively bashes single mothers especially on GAG* but don't abort. Become a single mother instead." They like how they feel morally better than pro choice people, they say themselves that they are morally better. They say "don't use the she was raped argument!" but never adress any case that is different from the case they could find themselves in (their girl gets pregnant and they would keep and take care of the child) They never address cases such as, well, rape, when men want the woman to abort, when men don't care if the woman aborts or not but make it clear they will leave the baby and never care for it, when both want the baby but decide to abort because everyone's life would go downhill. "I want the baby and I don't want you to abort!" yet most of them don't think in this case their girl will say "fine I'll have the baby but I'll leave you both after." Which is actually what their own gender is usually guilty of doing since there are more single mothers than fathers in the world. Pro life men don't do anything for the life of the child they "fight so hard for" as long as it's from the comfort of their home and doesn't involve doing more than typing out words on internet or holding a paper sign at a protest.
I know there are also women who are pro life, but unlike men, they really speak from the heart, mean their words and stand behind them. When they get pregnant, they really do carry to term AND care for the life. They are much less aggressive and offensive and hypocritical than pro life men. So I respect them fully and have nothing bad to say to them, they are pro-life down to the core.
Personally I am pro choice when it comes to everyone else, I would never abort (but I am financially well off and I think I would be a good parent even if a single mother), but if others would abort, I wouldn't let them do it after the first trimester. I think these mistakes do happen, even if it happens because the two were just extremely irresponsible, they should have a choice that suits their personal situation best, but they need to make the choice quickly so that the effect of abortion would be as little traumatic as possible for the fetus and for the mother's body. It gets more traumatising as months go by for both people involved (the mom and the baby).
Also I want to have 2 children and adopt 2 children, or if I find a husband who is as rich as me or richer, have 3 and adopt 3 😊
I also want to add
"Don't date single mothers. They put their child before you" If they value this innocent life so much they should be more considerate towards it, and they would not generalise all women who are single mothers in such a nasty way. (it's because of this life they were "all for" that they bash women at the end)
"I would keep the child. You don't have to want it but just don't abort it, give it to me" *Doesn't have children, never impregnated a woman, thinks he knows how he would react in a situation he has never been in, judges everyone's case based on his imaginary and self proclaimed morally superior reaction that he never made irl*
😂
Because a lot of men lack empathy for women. Its not their fault, its just not taught to then to do so and its often why movies about womens stories are less popular. Many pro chouce women disagree with abortion. I, myself, as a pro choice woman, would not opt for abortion due to religious reasons. However, having that choice ripped away from you is inhumane and I understand that. Men seem to take for granted how much pain women endure just to give birth to them! The body is permanently altered and there's nit a lot of support for pregnant women or mothers. Its a huge responsibility. And its something men just don't think through. If men really cared about these children and women instead of moral high ground and ethical debates, why dint they take a stand for better care for pregnant women and post natal care? Adopt? Foster? Advocate for better education and ensuring a good quality of life for all these children. Why insist on bringing a baby into the world to suffer?
About "A lot of men lacking empathy for women" you don't realize how society cares about women more than men do you? I can also say thesame thing about women lacking sympathy for men if that's the case. So I guess you think it's convenient to comment about your agenda in this kind of post. Also for most parts, abortion is actually legal. There are also many people funding for women than men. So what's the "lots of men lack empathy for women" about?
Okay i guess i could have worded it better. A large majority of men do have empathy for women but its a concerning amount of men who don't. I understand its a 2 way street but in my opinion a misogynistic man is scarier and a misandrist woman because a man is physically stronger than a woman. Also, im talking from my own experiences. A lot of the men i know are not very empathetic, altho some of them are not empathetic to other men either sometimes. But agreed, it comes across as me generalising all men when i rlly dont know that
Or an easy explaination about your opinion is because you're a girl that's why misogynists are scarier. Well sure you can say that because you don't have to act tough like what misandrists tell men
Hmm, i suppose so? Well since this app is about questions i gotta ask, have you ever been physically intimated of a woman? As a petite woman i dont like confrontation with men alone and I've even debated learning self defence but are women scary to men too?
I would say and guys may be stronger on average, that doesn't mean girls can't hurt them piece by piece. And just because of that, society don't care.
I'm really sorry you feel that way. Definitely not okay for ahyone to hurt anyone. I dont believe in telling men to be strong or not to cry. Regardless of gender we all have a responsibility to each other.
*Hugs*
It's like for example. A kid picks on you. A kid can punch you in the gut and it still hurts. Would you fight back? I mean society is watching you can you can get canceled if you do.
I gotta agree with you there, men shouldn't get shamed for hitting back. It's about the intention too. Even if you think you can't hurt someone that much, why do you want to? I dont think hitting anyone is ever a solution :(
Glad you realized that. But really I'm fine. Ty *hugs*
*hugs back* have a good day!
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If I were I man I'd be prolife too. They literally get no say in what happens to a child that is half theirs, so being prolife is really the only way they have to fight for the life of their child and fatherhood. What's even more absurd is should the mother decide to keep the baby the men are now automatically seen as the other half of the child and forced to pay child support without being given a choice. Men are only seen as fathers when its convenient for the mother.
I know I'll get hate for this one, but it's cool. Sometimes the truth hurts.
I mean sure they got no say when it comes to abortion but really if it's an accident, of course she has the right if she'd really doesn't like to get pregnant. The guy doesn't have a say to that also because it is partly his fault she is accidentally pregnant but this is why there is commitment actually. Both genders make commitments first before they have a child. Meaning she shouldn't abort if she committed and agreed to have a child with him and he should agree he's going to pay for the child support. Just because the family court is bias against men, that's still not stopping me from being a pro choice. But i can still oppose the fact that the family court is biased against men and support equality for both. So what you're saying is like it's ok to be a pro life because men are oppressed anyways in courts when you can just oppose men's oppression happening in courts. Because if you're also a pro-life that would also mean you force a woman to give birth even if she is raped despite how low the chance is. You're also forcing a child to be born in the hands of an irresponsible teenagers only to end up being in the orphanage, depressed and suicidal. But of course there is it's own consequences that happens when you abort such as the cost and the health risk so why do you have to add the law into this? We don't try to arrest people who force women to give birth.
And the child support your talking about, this is also exactly why i'm a pro choice because that can also benefit men who doesn't want to pay for child support because there are going to be times where the if the woman doesn't like the baby, she has the right to give it to the father and there are also men who don't like that. And lastly long before you say i support suicide, no but i am saying isupport choice. There's a big difference. If it is suicide, it's going to be talking about a born person. A fetus is a fetus not a baby just like how a lot of prolife say a fetus is a baby repeating it thinking it's going to validate them. You may be speaking the truth but you are just cherry-picking some of it will you ignore other truths there are darker than that because it probably hurts for you.
Guys always harass me on this site when I say that men should sacrifice more than woman in the beginning of a relationship because woman have to carry a baby and give birth and breast feed, it’s easy for a man to ignore the pain and sacrifice of mothers because they will never have to face it themselves while a woman is thinking about things like, if she was raped or jobless and single, would she have the strength and stability to raise a child on her own? Or if she already had 3 kids and could not support another one? Men can pretend the pain isn’t real since they don’t have to go through it.
*Women rely more on emotions.
*Women's empathy generally ends where their feelings begin.
*Women are more often degenerate.
*Women are more often selfish.
*Men rely more on logic.
*Men are generally more consistent with beliefs.
*Men are less often degenerate.
*Men are more often caring.
Some of these over lap but you get it.
Yeah sure guys are more logical yet ironically caring for a fetus as if it's a born human would actually fall on the "emotions" category which you like to call logic just because over all men are more rational. Also im just pretending that's actually true for the sake of argument.
@Aiko_E_Lara You're putting words in the guy's mouth. He clearly said "men rely more on logic" not that men don't have emotions. Any idiot knows that men have emotions. We tend to channel our emotions based on principles like our belief in what is just. Unless we're just weak type males who are easily manipulated.
@hahahmm I don't have to put the words in your mouth when actions speaks louder than words. And yes relying on logic is also what logical people do. So with what you said, that would also mean men are more logical which is a flawed argument by the way. No one is saying guys don't have feelings. What im still trying to say is you're basically saying men use emotions in an illogical time.
@Aiko_E_Lara You couldn't even tell which poster you were talking to in the exchange above. Get a grip.
And do you even understand what you're saying? I don't really think you can. I'm just arguing at your level at this point because now you're diverting into at different topic instead of focusing on the main argument itself
Because they can't carry a baby so have no idea. If they were the ones who got pregnant and had no choice but to bring up, look after & pay for that child for 18 years then they'd soon change their minds.
Its not just a fetus it is the genetics of the future. If you dont see potential when you see a fetus then what do you see when you see a baby? It isn't anything special either.
Then i can also say its not just a sperm or an egg but also the genetic of the future. Which everyone destroys by the way. I see a baby when i see a baby but i see a fetus when i see a fetus. there's a big difference.
No you can't because we are sexual not asexual. It isn't genetics until they (re) combine and start getting to work
Whats the difference? They're both useless without foresight
And at the very thing i can say about your whole argument. There are still many things a fetus doesn't have that a boring human being have. And that thing is actually born and it is called a fetus for a reason and it's not called a human nor a baby. A fetus also doesn't have any reputation, a name, citizenship, you don't celebrate conceptions day, it cannot talk and even remember anything like born humans do. So in other words, you're saying no because you feel like it should be born. That's not a logical explanation
Im confused at what any of your examples prove. That babies entertain you? Are you pedo? Im a man. I see potential, i see abstract ideas. If you cannot you might be gay or a woman.
Fetus is a latin word for fruitful that the medical community uses. You can call it a baby if you want. It is a baby. Its essential you recognize it as a baby to 1) see its potential and to 2) see that abortion is modern day child sacrifice except instead of God's mood we sacrifice them to, we sacrifice them to our own emotional wellbeing
It doesn't take a genius. You have your own criteria on what you consider it a human being and i have my own which consider it the other way around. And tell me what does a pedophile have anything to do with this? Seems to me you're more confused than i am. Just because you see potential in it doesn't mean anyone else do
So the question is are you pro choice when it comes to women offering their newborns up to baal?
I have a question for you. Why is it that the bible says women will rule thee, thou wilt sacrifice your children to baal, thou wilt kill my prophets, thou shalt become prideful and gay, thou shalt not honor thy father and mother in the end times? Cause the end times have been happening for thousands of years. Why the hell do you WANT to be a degenerate? This isn't religion anymore this is social science 101. If you do xyz you get xyz results. Abortion and child sacrifice gets you no where
If you want to use its latin root word appealing to the dictionary. And yes that word was made before technology and logic is well-developed. Also, i doubt you actually met god yourself and that what god really said. Sure god said murdering is forbidden but what's the murderer here? It only murder because you like to consider it a human being with your own criteria. Really if it is unnatural then why is it even in our human nature to evolve to create technology for that?
So if it's unnatural then, whenever you break your arm, don't go to the hospital and have a surgery for it because it's unnatural. Live your life with a broken arm forever. Now do you realize how you sound?
Because humans have THINKING capacity so we can invent evil things that are contrary to our own instincts for goodness.
In some cases child sacrifice is necessary... lets be honest. Sometimes children are less important than something else in life. Lets be HONEST instead of devaluing fetuses are not human babies. We just have different priorities than having babies. Namely being a slut
Also i said nothing about newborns here. I'm talking about it's ok to discard a fetus but did i say anything about newborns? Girls have nine months to decide also a fetus has nine months for it to become a human being. Can't you read?
Now just admit you are lustful, greedy, and gay. And we can move on HONESTLY instead of devaluing the greatest thing in the universe: human potential
Yeah and which is also the reason why we have the brain to think about other criteria that cannot consider it a human being. We are not only made to think what you actually believe. If you want to keep repeating its a child, i can keep repeating it a fetus. Just for you at your own level up this point
Now you see, here comes the ad hominems when you're running out of logic. I can also say you're just a greedy manipulator rapist who impregnates every girls because of the "potential" which is your belief. Isn't strawmanning fun?
That was logic. You want women to sacrifice their babies "fetuses" their future genetic potential. That is a human sacrifice. This is why your whole feel good "i have love too and im gay" argument relies on semantics. When we are HONEST before God and Man about this, man that can kill you remind you, and God that can kill your soul, then you will say you are sacrificing humans for some other agenda youve got in your own life, namely being a slut. Because you have "self love". Read my take"self love is hate".
Then when you fix your semantics you'll be able to reflect and see you're actually a wicked ass person worthy of death that needs to repent before its too late
By too late i mean before fascists take power and your head is on the chopping block
I can call them fetuses and not babies for the same reason you consider it "babies" which is why you think it's a human sacrifice but sure you can say the human sacrifice but that's not a fact. that is your opinion. But i can also say forcing a woman from your birth is a form of manipulation and brainwashing. Now the rest of your statements are now diverting into religious dogmas and a little supremacy going on in there. Remind me a lot of those roman empire who tortures anyone who doesn't believe in god and called themselves holy which shows their big hypocrisy. And of course that still exists today and people like you are the example.
Its a human therefore its a human sacrifice. Tf is it? If you say it isn't a human then WHAT is it. Your reasons for why it ain't are the same reasons i could give for why a baby ain't human
Just because you keep repeating it that doesn't automatically make it a fact. Tf it is? A fetus. And you know i can oppo repeat that as much as how you like to repeat saying it's a human being.
What species is a fetus
An embryo. Or i can just say a fetus is a fetus. Because a human is a human
What species is the embryo of cause this is a sexual being, that means it is unique when it stsrts developing. It isn't a bud of the mother, so what species is tje being
I'm still not considering it a human being but i can still say it came from a human. Just like any other cells we produce. But really if that is your criteria on considering it a human being then that is your opinion because i can also ask you is a fetus born or not?
Its not just cells... ... ... ... ... is your bias to support your slutty mom that bad mamas boy
Then i can also say you are biased because you believe they are not just cells. I can also jump to conclusions saying you're just a rapist wants to impregnate as many women as you want because you see potential in it
I used to say rape is bad but it could be ok. I mean the genetics that come from it are at least 1) a moderately attractive or beautiful woman 2) an assertive confident man. So. But to touch on your point, yes you can say im biased. i am biased. The question is are we using the same dictionary.
So you actually admit it ok to rape but it's not ok to abort. Like that is the biggest hypocrisy being said so far. Also if you want to keep appealing about the dictionary, then you do realize that communism doesn't sound so bad in theory like what the dictionary said but people still hate it anyways for big reasons so yes your dictionary logic is flawed.
I didn't say its not ok to abort. It isn't a moral issue to me. Its your hypocrisy thats the issue. Admit that human sacrifice is ok every now and then or become pro life
Yeah you're not saying it's not ok to abort yet you still keep whining about people who abort and you still keep whining about pro-choice then if it's not saying it's not ok then what is it? Speaks louder than words. And again you can talk about human sacrifice all you want i can talk about fetus sacrifice not human sacrifice which is still making a big difference. And you didn't even explain how i am being a hypocrite right now. In other words you're just saying "no u"
Im neither pro life or pro choice. In most cases its a good thing morons have their kids killed before theyre born
But im not pro choice because that would be being pro human sacrifice, which im really against because y'all are sacrificing to baal. But lets say you're abraham and you're going to sacrifice your son to God, well, then do what you will
Nobody cares if you are not a pro life at pro choice. that is not my question here. There's only until you came here to show how triggered you are just because i'm a pro-choice bringing up your whole agenda believing they are kids and believing it is a human sacrifice
Your argument is "my tummy hurts. I won't be attractive after i give birth anymore" symp
Then ok let's play your game i can also say your argument is "i'm a rapist and fuck all women" really it's easy to make name-calling and ad hominems if you have nothing else to say. But i would rather be a simp than a rapist like you anytime.
Im not a rapist i just believe it isn't the end of the world if a child is born because of rape. Its still a child and still has human potential. Potentially more potential than a child conceived inside of marriage for reasons i mentioned
In reality you support human sacrifice and won't admit it
Sacrifices to "my tummy oh my tummy. Its gonna be all stretched out. :,("
As much as you really like to do now you are not a rapist then i can also say i am not a simp. Simple. Repeat what you said doesn't really make you more valid because i can also see it is just a cell.
In reality you support rape and you won't admit it.
Sacrifices to what you believe is a potential so you fuck every woman you want.
This can go on forever i don't really mind. I'm just going to argue what your level of this point for you to realize how you sound
except i used logic you are just mocking me
Then I also used logic and you're just mocking my views
when you said you are pro choice for the reasons women have thats when you admitted you're a symp! i said that the children of rape are not illegitimate , that doesn't make me a rapist...
When you said you are up prolife for the reasons other men have that's when you admitted you are a rapist. I said that fetus are not humans but fetus are fetus so that doesn't make me a killer and a simp
This comments section is gonna be iiinteresting later.~
Because men like kids too. And because fatherhood is underrepresented and underrated
And guys who likes kids don't waste their time on girls who doesn't want kids also because i know there a lot of girls who likes get as well. But that doesn't mean they have to speak for others because they do
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If men gave birth, they'd all be pro choice.
But also men are kind of assholes.
While i agree with your first statement, You think it's convenient to say men are kind of assholes in a post like this? Because i don't agree with that one. If that's the case i would also have to prove how kind of bitchy women are as well
for the second part, i didn't have time to give a nuanced answer, so just typed that.
Which is why i didn't also give a nauce response. But that is for you to realize how you sound
Because men can't get pregnant!!
That's not really true.
I agree with you
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