Why are men getting blamed for pro life advocacy when more women are in favor of it than men?

[t-8900]

The argument I keep seeing is men just want to control women. Yet at the same time we've established that men get divorce raped in court, lose custody, pay more of the child support, etc. So the pro life men get trashed when they are literally saying, "I'll pay for my child" "I'll work for that baby" "please don't kill my baby I'll do what it takes." Such men are not gaining but losing financial assets but are willing to for the life of the child. Yet we keep getting told it's because the pro life men want to control women and not because they believe that there is. Precious, innocent, life growing inside of a woman that they want to love and care for. Then I see people say "they're pro life till they're born then they don't care." Okay... According to whom? Some guy says he that and it doesn't mean he's also pro life. Most churches are pro life and those same churches have lots of men who also pay money to feed kids they don't even know. Many of them work with kids from broken homes so what are you talking about? Source: thehill.com/.../ www.theguardian.com/.../why-are-women-more-opposed-to-abortion

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[Exterminatore]

Because men get blamed for everything. Everything wrong in the world is the fault of men and white people.


All I want to know is when is it ok to murder your unborn child? If it’s just a fetus those pictures of little arms and legs I saw that were cut with sheep sheers and removed from the womb don’t look like just a lump of cells to me. We know they can feel pain. That’s been scientifically proven. Abortion is infanticide pure and simple. Then there are those who object to the heart beat bills. They can still do their murders but aren’t happy with such limitations.


This is the modern equivalent of Moloch worship. Where a statue of Moloch is heated up until it’s glowing hot and then a baby is placed in it’s outstretched arms. Convenient way to get rid of unwanted babies. Simply sacrifice them to a diety. Today we won’t even pretend killing babies is part of a religion but a right. Women are gods now and can decide who lives and dies.

[hahahmm]

Same with the gender war in general... if I say the exact same thing traditional women say about feminists I'm called sexist even tho 50% of women agree with me. It's not about facts. It's about these liars trying to win arguments using emotion and every trick they can.

Dave Chappelle was right. We need to make it so a man can choose not to spend 1 dime on his offspring. Then these women will think twice about who they get knocked up by. Suddenly they won't forget to take those pills. Will be good when men have that birth control patch too. I hear the tech is almost ready. Watch women start crying about how it's unfair a man can keep his sperm from being useful!

[OlderAndWiser]

Thefavorite topic of those on the far left is to bash anyone who speaks against them, to assassinate their character, and to fabricate charges simply to bolster their arguments. SSDD here.

[MzAsh]

Pew research results show a “modest gender gap” with more men favoring pro life views than women.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/05/06/about-six-in-ten-americans-say-abortion-should-be-legal-in-all-or-most-cases/

[Juxtapose]

^^ this

[t-8900]

Based on these findings it's still less to do with gender and more to do with ideology. So people honestly think it's just to "control" people? There's no chance it's for something more noble but just to be nefarious on some way to spite women or something? I don't know how it got linked to men trying to control women when they don't even have a say over custody the majority of the time
They'd be screwing themselves over if it was to spite the woman

[Juxtapose]

I don't know about you man but I wouldn't want the opposite sex or anyone telling me what I can or cannot do with my own body.

[MzAsh]

I agree it’s more to do with ideology. However I do think it’s a major agenda of the pro life camp to assume the notion that another entity other than the woman herself, such as “god” or the law shall have greater authority over the decision of birth. That’s about power and control.

[t-8900]

It's not how I see it tbh. You have the right to do what you want but I feel the baby also has a right to live. Also as I Christian I could never get behind it. I don't believe sex is or should be something treated so flippantly and cheaply. I think that's why you really ought to reserve it for someone worthy
So you don't end up that way to begin with. And if you don't ever want kids then get snipped or tied. If you do want kids, well maybe they came out of nowhere but they could just be the best thing that ever happened to you and they are still your flesh and blood

[t-8900]

@MzAsh for me it's simply saving a life tbh. It's not our of malice or spite, on the contrary it's about mercy.

[MzAsh]

Are you sure because your comment down there about some Anon girl shows signs of it being exactly about power and control.

[t-8900]

In what way?

[t-8900]

Oh about her home life? She made attacks at me, I made em back. She basically attacks others as soon as they say something she disagrees with. She tries to belittle them. I always treat others how they want to be treated. She's talking all this crap and she's also established she can't get a lay and for another thing she hates her family but she doesn't get a job to change it anyhow. So basically she's too lazy to change her issues. What's more she wants multiple partners at the same time, so yeah that does make her exactly what I called her. She can do as she pleases over in India. It's on her in the end.

[MzAsh]

I don’t know the backstory but you seem pretty spiteful about this person. Regardless, on the issue abortion, you can have whatever view or opinion you want and that’s fine. Others won’t always share your view. They’ll make their own decisions in congruence with their own views. No one is required to like it, but no one gets to make those decisions but them.

[t-8900]

8 verbal attacks I let slide, that was enough and the gloves came off. That's all I'll say. It wasn't her first time. Also should that include late term abortions? Where do we draw the line?

[MzAsh]

Well if you ask me, I draw the line at the day of birth.

[t-8900]

Holy sh*t! Why? It's already a fully formed baby at that point. There's absolutely no good, moral or ethical reason for it. I honestly believe anyone willing to do that is not of sane and stable mind and should have someone do a mental health evaluation and save the baby by removing it for the child's well-being since she clearly doesn't give a damn. That level of evil is no different from what we saw recently during the Afghan withdrawal if you ask me. That's cold blood murder! See a society that allows that honestly doesn't deserve to continue.

[MzAsh]

My principle is based on logic, not emotion.

[t-8900]

It's completely unethical
So if we are aiming at even fully formed then why not also kill babies after birth? The fact they left the mother or not is the only factor in if it's murder or not? Why not allow the murder of 2 year olds if she decides she doesn't want the responsibility anymore? Adoption seems to be off the table. Explain the logic.

[MzAsh]

My view on this stands behind the idea that the fetus is not it’s own separate being until after it leaves the womb during birth. Before that moment, the woman carrying the fetus is the governing body. It would be inconsistent of me to view this any other way.

[t-8900]

But does it make it right? The only difference is that the baby is inside or outside the womb at that point. It's still doing the same amount of harm. It doesn't sound like she'd be in her own right mind
Mentally ill people, regardless of gender do not always get a say in what happens in various scenarios. Same for intoxicated people. To allow up to birth for an abortion to be allowed, the evil that it can do would be no difference from what we saw in Auschwitz in many respects. We don't allow anyone to just do anything they want whenever regardless of gender because frankly it would make the world more chaotic and dangerous. We have all kinds of laws that regulate people weather we are talking seatbelts, helmets, masks, drugs, guns, we even have laws for the upkeep and maintenance of your property like your car and home. I personally believe that if we allow late term abortion it's only a matter of time before other attrocities are legalized. A minor has governance of their own body, but we Don't allow them to have sex with pedos and the like because it can cause more harm and because they aren't necessarily of good judgement. The case too could be made that these women terminating at 8 and 9 months are not of sound mind. Realistically they are not. The only reason to do it at that point would be for maximum suffering of a child. I agree that the heartbeat bill was the best compromise even though I myself believe that unless a woman was raped, the child was born with deadly defects, or the mother would die that abortion should be illegal. I also believe that those performing the abortions should be charged with felonies that could see them getting life in prison and the woman seeing hefty fines. There's no good reason to terminate that late. They had plenty of time to decide, they had numerous forms of birth control and preventative measures.

[t-8900]

Continuing: As to make it fair I think the male participant should also see the same level of punishment if they pushed for the abortion. Adoption is an option. If women are to be seen as equals then why should they have freedom from concequences that men do not? If we are being consistent on equality and the like we should not treat women any different from men in society. Freedom of choice does not remove freedom of concequences.

[MzAsh]

A psychiatrist diagnoses whether or not someone is of sound mind. Your argument still assumes more right and deciding power than the actual woman involved. This is the problem.

[t-8900]

So if we put something on the books to have a psychiatrist evaluate them first that's fine then? And a book on all the information on short and long term effects on abortion along with keeping records on why women chose to abort to collect data? That would be or benefit too. That said I don't think any sane or rational person waits to that point to kill. There's no good reason at that point anyway. I don't have the freedom to choose if I wear a seatbelt or not. It's my body but the law requires me to buckle up. And yet the majority of people would agree this is the best for all parties.

[MzAsh]

I don’t think a psychiatrist is necessary as a general rule. Abortion and birth is much more invasive than clicking your seat belt.

[t-8900]

But the principal remains the same. Same with substance abuse and rights of ownership. You can own this but not that
You can ingest this but not that. With seatbelts and drugs it might not be as invas but it's the same principle, bodily autonomy. Pulling a plug, others call the shots on that sometimes too.

[t-8900]

*invasive

[MzAsh]

If anything, I believe seat belts shouldn’t be a law for those over 18. Highly encouraged, yes. But not a law. My principle is, you don’t get to decide for others. Period.

[t-8900]

And this same logic also applies to narcotics too?

[MzAsh]

Yes. We need new ways of dealing with the drug problem.

[t-8900]

So what happens when the drugs cause an induced drug fueled rage that causes murders as a result. Do you remember the bath salts? Also the meth fueled homeless guy that killed an ER nurse, etc. Actions have con and imho they are too high for the greater good of society. I used to be a libertarian at one point myself but I no longer agree with it completely.

[t-8900]

*concequences. My phone is basically broken.

[MzAsh]

The current system we have around criminalizing drugs isn’t good enough. It’s a sad attempt at putting a band aid over a gun wound with the bullet still inside.

[t-8900]

I agree to that as well.

[Anonymous]

It's typical feminist divisiveness. They push a narrative of women as victims and men as oppressors because that's how they garner support from young, naïve women. They have to keep women angry at men and believing they are victims of men to justify their continued existence.

The reality, of course, is that abortion is an ideological issue, not a "women's rights" issue, but that doesn't support their narrative.

[Creampiekarl420]

i see those people the same way I see atheists their egos can’t handle the truth so when they’re told the truth (abortion is murder) they lash out and deflect because deep down they know it’s wrong pro-choice delusion is just a big warm soft lie they wrap themselves up in to fend off the cold hard truth

[Exterminatore]

Very true.

[t-8900]

How much you want a bet a good chunk of them had an abortion, have long term depression, and are in denial?

[Anonymous]

It’s rooted in Marxism. There is a constant oppressor-oppressed narrative. The oppressed are the women and the oppressors are the men. The narrative is not based in reality or truth. In fact, the reality is inconvenient so the truth has to be subjective in order to pull off this scam.

[t-8900]

When they become so blind to the fact they are no different from murderers your society has lost the plot. Many women will keep their babies regardless. And those women are champions. But if you're really willing to kill your own child then it kinda sets the bar on what your own life is worth imho

[Agape93]

Because the ones who keep drafting laws to remove abortion rights, who attack abortion clinics and who slut shame and threaten women who go to them, are vastly more likely to be men than women.

[msc545]

Women will say and do anything to remain in control of their "right" to murder children - and men as well.

[t-8900]

And can then you got snots like anon1903. She's a miserable little thing too. She's so bitter because her mother and brother don't let her go out to be the whore on the street and also by her own admission she's too ugly to get a boyfriend. But whatever she's got no answers and blocked me. Maybe if she didn't cut her hair to look like a little boy, got a personality, and stopped being an emotional wreck she'd actually find a guy interested in her entitled ass. That or she could get off her ass and actually get a job and work for a living and move out.

[msc545]

Indeed. She is a mess.

[RealMarek]

Because it is a narrative that works regardless of reality.

[anylolone]

It's the "don't tell on women" law.

[OddBeMe]

Because GOP is overwhelmingly male.

[Shamalien]

*crickets*