Why don't feminists do more to fight for men's rights?

[Anonymous]

Why don't feminists do more to fight for men's rights?

[Anonymous]

Because they really don’t want equality. They want equality pertaining to things that benefit them. If you were to cry about it they’d call you a bitch of a man, then try to put you down by saying a real man would…society caters to women. Many of them have never been to another country in their life, they’ve never seen the real shit that happens to women in other countries like being stoned to death for cheating on your husband. I think if we want things to be taken seriously we need to start organizations ourselves. But too men need to stop being stubborn about things, acting macho about not going to the doctor. We need to start a save the nuts month, everyone running around w shirts displaying nuts on them. Trucks driving down the streets w nutsacks hanging off the rear bumper lol but seriously society does not care about men. We’re expendable that’s why we’re required to sign up for selective services, women aren’t. Things happen to men, society laughs. Commercials, women kicks man in nuts we all laugh. Woman chops off man’s dick, tosses it in the woods, we all laugh. Man falls down stairs in a commercial we all laugh. But you never really see a commercial w a girl getting punched in her tits. If you have send it my way I’d like to watch it lol

[inhua]

feminists and male feminists will say feminism stands for "equality"

yet they'll use every single mental gymnastic in the book to justify why they don't really stand for "equality" but more power, authority and privileges but without all the extra burden of responsibilities and accountability

this is the most common tactic they try to use

they truly believe they can trick us

there's a reason why men who think for themselves are considered "dangerous" and need to be taken out temporarily or permanently whether through cancel culture, jail and eventually assassination

[suisuiola]

Because the world/societies caters more to men than it does to women (systematically and structurally). In order to get equality (which is what feminism means, equality between genders), groups that are marginalized need to have more work put up to get to an equal level. Hence why you don’t see women fighting for men’s rights because men have always and will always have more.

[inhua]

that's not even remotely true. the men who get catered to are those who put in the work to reach such heights and deservedly so.

the vast majority of men aren't wealthy, handsome, CEOs or celebrities. most are homeless or broke, work long hours in dangerous jobs, locked up in jail or die from combat, suicide, homicide etc. this false narrative of men being the oppressors and beneficiaries of society is what is driving a lot of the inequalities we see.

[suisuiola]

@inhua I would reply to this in a lengthy comment but using Joseph Goebbels as someone to quote discredits everything you’ll ever/have ever said. Have a nice day :).

[inhua]

translation from you - I don't want to debate so I'll find a reason not to because the messenger is always more important than the message itself

[suisuiola]

@inhua If only you were right, sigh. Whatever floats your boat, Joe.

[Anonymous]

Because feminism is an "equality" movement that only cares about on side of the equation.

[suisuiola]

How can you care about both sides when one group is marginalized and one isn’t? What do you do when that happens? You uplift the one that’s marginalized first to ensure that there will be equality.

[Opinion Owner]

@suisuiola Looks like you are in Singapore and I don't know what it's like there. But I challenge you to tell me exactly how females are marginalized in the US today and men are not.

[suisuiola]

Alright, I live in Singapore and also lived nyc—both places are very different. Here's a list of statistics and information on the gender inequality in the US.
1. The US is the only developed country without paid maternity leave.
2. Men make 128% more than women do — even in fields where women are the majority of workers. For example, female pediatricians earn about 76% of what males do, or about $51,000 a year less on average.
3. The U. S. ranks 53rd in the World Economic Forum Gender Gap Index
4. According to World Economic Forum, at the current rate, it will take 202 years for women achieve equal pay.
5. In the U. S., the wage gap varies by other factors. For example, compared to every 1 dollar white, non-Hispanic men earn: Asian-American women make $.90, African-American women earn $.62, Native American women earn $.57, Latinas earn $.54 and mothers make $.70 compared to fathers
6. Only 6 countries give women the same legal rights as men, the United States is not one of them.
7. If women were paid the same rate as men, the poverty rate would be cut by 50%.
8. Mothers with the same job as their childless female peers – with the same experience and education are paid an hourly wage that is 5% lower for each child they have.
9. Compared to other high income countries, the U. S. has a much lower percentage of women elected to government office. Other high-income countries average 25% of women in national parliaments

[suisuiola]

10. Women are 47% more likely to suffer severe injuries in car crashes because safety features are designed for men.
11. The U. S. allocates about.01% of the federal budget on overseas ­­women’s health and child survival programs –including vaccines.
12. Women who had a male twin were 15% less likely to graduate from high school, 4% less likely to finish college, and 11% less likely to be married —compared with women with a twin sister. They also had 6% fewer children and earned 9% less money.
13. Over 500,000 girls and women in the U. S have undergone or are at risk of genital mutilation. 33% of these are are under the age of 18. Most of these procedures are performed by men and 15 states have not enacted laws against female genital mutilation.
14. In 1996 performing female genital mutilation on anyone under age 18 became a felony in the United States with the passage of the Female Genital Mutilation Act. However in 2018, this act was struck down as unconstitutional by a US federal district court.
15. Don't even get me started on Roe v. Wade and men.
16. For every 1 female film character, there are 2.24 male characters in movies and tv shows.
17. US women spend over twice as much time on housework as men, averaging an extra 65 minutes per day.
18. Women are stuck in a time bind, a concept men don't have.
19. women in heterosexual relationships do on average 65% of child care, and are 2.5 times as likely to wake up in the middle of the night to do so than men.
20. Health care providers respond differently to pain for cisgender men and women. Cisgender women aged 55 and older are prescribed pain medication less frequently or with lower dosages than their male counterpart and women are more often under treated than men

These are just a few of the facts and figures on how women are marginalized in the US. Hope this helps :)

[Opinion Owner]

@suisuiola Yes, just a few of the "facts" you and other feminists cherry pick to paint a very one sided picture or reality. Let's take a look at them.

1. The US is the only developed country without paid maternity leave. – Nor is there paid paternity leave, so how is that a gender equality issue? Regardless, paid m/paternity leave if just socialism, because it places the cost of that paid leave on other employees, and consumers. That’s not feminist issue, it’s an ideological issue.
2. Men make 128% more than women do — even in fields where women are the majority of workers. For example, female pediatricians earn about 76% of what males do, or about $51,000 a year less on average. – That is completely false. The 128% figure is outdated. The actual figure last year was 1.21%, but it’s a meaningless figure anyway because it is based on the average income of men and women REGARDLES of any other factors. The difference in pay between men and women comes down to the different choices they make. Studies that factor in all of the important variables, such as the fact that women choose less demanding and lower paying careers, that women work significantly fewer hours, that women prioritize comfort over salary, and slough of other choices women make that affect their earnings…those studies show the difference is only 1%, and that 1% is unexplained but there is no evidence it is due to sexism. Women can choose to earn as much as men, they just don’t, partly because they view it as men’s job.
3. The U. S. ranks 53rd in the World Economic Forum Gender Gap Index – again this is based on the meaningless figure that is the average gender wage gap, which doesn’t take into account all the different choices women and men make in their careers that are completely within their control
4. According to World Economic Forum, at the current rate, it will take 202 years for women achieve equal pay. – why will it take that long for women to make different choices?

[Opinion Owner]

@suisuiola
5. In the U. S., the wage gap varies by other factors. For example, compared to every 1 dollar white, non-Hispanic men earn: Asian-American women make $.90, African-American women earn $.62, Native American women earn $.57, Latinas earn $.54 and mothers make $.70 compared to fathers – this is a race issue, not a gender issue.
6. Only 6 countries give women the same legal rights as men, the United States is not one of them. – correct, women have a lot of reproductive choices men don’t have. Is feminism fighting to correct that injustice? I don’t think so. That issue aside, I challenge you to give me examples of rights men have that women do not.
7. If women were paid the same rate as men, the poverty rate would be cut by 50%. – Again, completely within women’s control.
8. Mothers with the same job as their childless female peers – with the same experience and education are paid an hourly wage that is 5% lower for each child they have. – On average, childless women work significantly more hours, are significantly more productive, are significantly more valuable to their employers and choose significantly more demanding, and higher paying jobs. This seems like a no brianer.
9. Compared to other high income countries, the U. S. has a much lower percentage of women elected to government office. Other high-income countries average 25% of women in national parliaments. - Women represent more than 50% of the electorate, and statistics show they do not vote for female candidates at a higher rate than male voters. How is that a feminist issue?

[Opinion Owner]

@suisuiola
10. Women are 47% more likely to suffer severe injuries in car crashes because safety features are designed for men. – Men are 23 times more likely to die on the job than women, which by the way explains a lot of why they earn more than women. The difference in fatalities among public servant jobs like firefighting and law enforcement is even greater. How is feminism helping men in that regard?
11. The U. S. allocates about.01% of the federal budget on overseas ­­women’s health and child survival programs –including vaccines. – Children are male and female, so that point is irrelevant here. How much does the US allocate to men’s health and survival programs?
12. Women who had a male twin were 15% less likely to graduate from high school, 4% less likely to finish college, and 11% less likely to be married —compared with women with a twin sister. They also had 6% fewer children and earned 9% less money. – Females represent 60% of college students and college degrees awarded at every level from undergraduate all the way to doctorate level. And despite the fact that males are so vastly underrepresented on college campuses, the majority of gender based scholarships and financial aid still go to females. What is feminism doing to correct that injustice? US public schools cater to females, not males. Male perform relatively poorly in school because the learning environment is very gynocentric. What is feminism doing to help male students? Nothing.
13. Over 500,000 girls and women in the U. S have undergone or are at risk of genital mutilation. 33% of these are under the age of 18. Most of these procedures are performed by men and 15 states have not enacted laws against female genital mutilation. – The VAST majority of boys are victims of MGM at birth, and yet feminists are more concerned about girls at RISK of it. FGM is rare in the US, but MGM is ubiquitous. How is feminism helping fight for male rights here?

[Opinion Owner]

@suisuiola
14. In 1996 performing female genital mutilation on anyone under age 18 became a felony in the United States with the passage of the Female Genital Mutilation Act. However in 2018, this act was struck down as unconstitutional by a US federal district court. – And yet there have never been any laws to protect boys from genital mutilation. Ever.
15. Don't even get me started on Roe v. Wade and men. – Roe v Wade is an ideological issue, not a gender issue. A higher percentage of women than men are pro life.
16. For every 1 female film character, there are 2.24 male characters in movies and tv shows. – Female viewer prefer male characters. This is not a feminist issue.
17. US women spend over twice as much time on housework as men, averaging an extra 65 minutes per day. – And men work far more hour than women do, and die at a much higher rate while earning money for their families
18. Women are stuck in a time bind, a concept men don't have. – Take that one up with mother nature. Not a feminist issue.

[Opinion Owner]

@suisuiola
19. women in heterosexual relationships do on average 65% of child care, and are 2.5 times as likely to wake up in the middle of the night to do so than men. – And men work far more hour than women do, and die at a much higher rate while earning money for their families
20. Health care providers respond differently to pain for cisgender men and women. Cisgender women aged 55 and older are prescribed pain medication less frequently or with lower dosages than their male counterpart and women are more often under treated than men. According to whom?

[Opinion Owner]

You actually did a great job of illustrating my point for me. You cherry picked a bunch of issues, spun them to look as anti-female as possible, and completely ignored the other side of most issues.

Females in the US face challenges and injustices today, and so do males. Women are not "marginalized" any more than males are. They were in the past, but not today.

What you've done here is exactly what I was talking about in my initial response to this question. You justified not giving a damn about males by saying they don't deserve it because females are marginalized, and you're dead wrong. The dishonesty of feminists like you is exactly why women like me don't support modern feminism anymore.

[NewsReader]

Feminism = Misandry

It's that simple. Just watch a documentary called "The Red Pill". It's the best documentary I've ever seen. And it's directed by a woman! Cassie Jae

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[Soteris]

Last I checked, they did literally more than any other group I know of. If that is not enough for you, then start your own group I guess.

[Anonymous]

Because feminists literally hate men. All men. Feminists want the rights of men, the privilege of women, and the responsibility and accountability of neither.

[Anonymous]

Lol, these questions are like a magnet to GAG's most prolific female feminist pretending to be a male on the internet. Can you spot her? Should be pretty easy.

The answer to your question, of course, is that feminists don't give a fuck about men or boys.

[Agape93]

Because we are still fighting to catch up to you guys. Once there, then we can address your issues too.

[OddBeMe]

They fight for equality between genders. You only think men aren’t getting rights because we’re focusing on those without.

[HippieVeganJewslim]

All is due to stereotypes of how men are bigger, stronger, more resilient, more mature, less emotional, etc and too much is focused on feminism.

[Anonymous]

The same reasons most men don't care about the rights of women.

[SpokenTruth]

Are you sure women's rights you're referring to or is it women's privileges?

[AngryCarl2]

Can't men fight for their own rights?

[inhua]

they do fight for their rights and they get shitted on as a result

[AngryCarl2]

@inhua Well so did women, so what?

[inhua]

they got their rights and then more. men can't even get fairness in family and divorce courts without someone screaming misogynist

[AngryCarl2]

@inhua Still the laws were written by men though.

[inhua]

the laws were written to be fair, at least that's what it should be on paper. the outcomes are mostly decided by judges who are bias in favor of women. getting a jury would be expensive and probably cause more problems when people become undecided.