Why don’t people wan’t to admit to being racist?

[SmokinAces2000]

this might sound like a simple question but it’s actually not, I mean I see this all the time some racists will say the most racist things and still deny that they are racist. They could be fired from their jobs and cancelled but they still won’t admit to being racist, I just don’t understand it, is it because they truly don’t know and don’t believe that they are racist or is it because most humans just have the instinct to deny that they are something that society thinks is bad

[CookiesAndCream2]

I remember talking to a Liberal/leftist once who had a racist themed ideology. I called her out on it. She claimed she couldn't be racist as her husband was Cuban. Yes, a Cuban of the higher social groups so he was more European and thus more "white" than the average Cuban. I almost died laughing. Do you think she admitted been racist when I pointed that out, nope.

I find many Liberals/leftist have that racist themed ideology. Look at I believe Australia last year where a bunch of dumb white leftist women were wearing hijabs to increase the a good impression for Muslims. The hijab happens to be a religious item, it's mentioned in the Qur'an, and it's offensive/demeaning for non Muslims to wear it. The Muslims may have thanked these women but were more than likely offended by their mere presence.

And this racist themed ideology is apparent in many leftist/Liberals in how they don't care to learn about the cultures or people they get all hot and bothered about. They oftentimes act as if others are inferior and can't stand up for themselves. This is examplifef a few years ago when a black lady essentially told the white people that were bitching on "her behalf" to shut down and fuck off...

[MrCommodore]

Do you think that only white people are racist?

The definition of "racist" is to be be prejudiced or biased against a person or people because of their race or ethnicity.

Now reading your post, you pointed out to a girl who claimed her boyfriend couldn't be racist because he was Cuban, that he "Was more European and thus more "White" than the average Cuban".

You the ridicule a "a bunch of dumb white leftist women" for trying to support the local Muslim community in their Country.

And finally ridicule "white people" who got chased by the "black lady" they turned up to support, for acting "as if others are inferior and can't stand up for themselves".

[CookiesAndCream2]

@MrCommodore ROFL. Try to read what is written. Okay? It's not hard.

1) The woman with the Cuban HUSBAND, not boyfriend, is claiming she is not racist because he's Cuban. He's "white" Cuban not average Cuban so she IS racist.

2) Dumb whites "supporting" Muslims. Of course I do. Their behavior wasn't support, it was disrespectful enough of Muslim culture and what a hijab represents to be racist.

3) The black woman was more than capable of depending herself. These fool whites acted as if she was mute, deaf & dump which was a disrespectful representation of their ideology blacks are inferior & can't stand up for themselves.

[MrCommodore]

I did read it, and then asked "Do you think that only white people are racist?", but you didn't answer that question.

I asked that question, as your 3 stories refers to "White" people in a derogatory manner, despite what seemed like they were trying to support others in two of those cases.

I don't see how him being white Cuban rather than an average Cuban mattered in you debunking her claims that she is not racist. Being a racist is not exclusive to white people.

[CookiesAndCream2]

@MrCommodore So you are as stupid as you seem. Nowhere did I say whites are racists, I just said they're stupidly ignorant as you are proving to be.

Now relating to your response.

White Cuban being "no different" than the average Cuban. Too bad for you reality is the average Cuban is darker than a white European-looking Cuban. To put it in perspective, since your profile says Ireland, that's like saying an Irishman whose parents have been in Ireland for generations is the exact same as an Irishman whose parents came from Karnataka India. Comprehende?

They are not "despite what seemed like they were trying to support others in two of those cases" they are being at a minimum ignorant. And in their ignorance, they are being racist. It is quite very simple... ignorance = racism.

[MrCommodore]

You're calling me stupid for simply highlighting a possible bias against White people in your earlier comments, saying they (White people) are "stupidly ignorant" for being helpful instead of hateful.

I disagree on your comments about Irish or Cuban ancestry, an Irish born person with Indian parents or ancestry/heritage is as much of an Irish person as anybody else on the Island. If we go back far enough, even the Celts, Norman's, Vikings, Anglo-Saxons etc arrived from abroad.

The ignorance in those cases you mentioned are with the people who fail to appreciate the offer of support and solidarity. Prejudiced or biased behaviour towards people of a ethnicity or race is the definition of being a racist.

[CookiesAndCream2]

@MrCommodore ROFL You must be American, with no culture, traditions, etc. and less than no understanding of what they mean, as most actual born in Ireland Irish would laugh - in your face - at your idea someone whose parents came from India is the same as someone whose parents have been in Ireland for generations, whose grand & great-grandparents spoke Gaelic, etc.

Your ignorance of culture, traditions, etc. is exactly what I mean of dumb white liberals. And they are the typical people - typical of America, typical of other former colonies with no real culture or traditions for themselves - who don't understand a damn thing about the people they get uppity about.

There is NO SUPPORT you uneducated ignorant fool. It is demeaning disrespectful behavior.

Wearing a RELIGIOUS item like the hijab - for a culture & society that is HIGHLY RELIGIOUS - when you are NOT part of that RELIGION... is IGNORANT & OFFENSIVE to the people who ARE of that religion.

[CookiesAndCream2]

@MrCommodore And to respond to this question of yours
Do you think that only white people are racist?

No. Many people are racist. But you're racist. Your continual defense of offensive demeaning & ignorant behavior of the mentioned white liberals is blatant proof of that.

[MrCommodore]

Look up the literal definition of the word "racist" online or in a dictionary, then look at your posts here about white people... better still, maybe get someone to explain the irony of your comments to you.

As for your comments about a person born in Ireland with Indian parents not being the same as other Irish people, that highlights your own mental limitations. They are still Irish regardless of where their parents came from, they just aren't Celtic-Irish, Norman-Irish or Anglo-Irish.

In the absence of having a solid argument, you resorted to becoming abusive towards me, name calling etc, which highlights your limitations.

[CookiesAndCream2]

@MrCommodore No, you are limited. You can't read or comprehend what is being said. But then you're racist.

[Anonymous]

Someone can literally say “I hate Hispanics, they’re ugly and I hope they all die” and they still will have the audacity to say “no I’m not racist” and people will still defend them and say it’s not racist. I’ve seen that before

[hellionthesagereborn]

No you haven't.

[SmokinAces2000]

How are you going to tell her what she’s seen 😂 smh

[Opinion Owner]

@hellionthesagereborn god I can’t be making this stuff up lmao, it’s all over tik tok and Even on here, plus look at the dislikes, clearly they’re people who are guilty of this.

[hellionthesagereborn]

The reason I can say that is because when some one says that their are cartoon villaines running around in our nation, that is immediatley suspect. When they say that a nation, the only nation in the entire world to have elected a minority person as president and by extension the only one to have done it twice which is the most open and welcoming society in the entire world bar none to the point where we let in and make citizens of immigrants at a rate five times greater then the next most generous nation (the majority of which are non whites, and the majority being hispanic), and your saying its rabidly racist. . . yeah, I'm going to call bullshit on that. People are not cartoon villains who are just evil for the sake of evil, that have no nuance, no depth, no dimentionality. So if you claim that you have seen not just one person but many people like that, you are in fact full of it, statistically speaking I mean.

I mean is it possible that this is true, at least in that you/she have met the.004% of the white population who are white supremacists (that is the actual number by the way (or at least for the largest white supremacist groups in the nation anyway))? Maybe, but then at that point the question is why are you hanging out at clan rallies. Hell if we include black supremacists in that number, we still only get about.007% of the population. So again, why would you actively seek out racists if you don't like them is the real question.

[hellionthesagereborn]

But otherwise yes, I say that this didn't happen, you are not necessarily making it up but rather taking it entirely out of context and then selectively editing it etc. I have been accused of racism because I said we do need border security, you know like mexico has (the cartels are evil and they use our lax laws to traffick children into the country who then end up getting sold into sex slavery. Almost half of those children seperated at the border are not even related to their so called parents (because having a child with you gave you an exemption under our lax refugee laws so these bad people where using them like a passport then either selling them into sexual slavery when they got here or dumping them in the middle of the desert to die. Encouraging that is monsterous in my opinion.).

So when I hear some one make this claim those are the thoughts that pop into my head, how they claim every one is racist even when it has nothing to do with racist, how they selectively edit and put words in the mouth of others to make them look bad and make it so people don't listen to what they have to say and the fact that racism is exceedingly rare in the US if we actually bother to look at the statistical data.

[SmokinAces2000]

hellionthesagereborn how can you trust a statistic of racist people in America. Most racist people won’t admit or don’t know that they are racist which was literally the point of the question so how can you go based off of statistics, how do they take the statistics?

[hellionthesagereborn]

That is not a well thought out argument. Your argument is literally every one is racist and all the data is wrong because every one is racist. That is not rational, its not a cogent argument so why are you making it? What your arguing is that every one is racist because YOU said so and nothing else matters. Your also saying that most people don't admit to being racist except how do you know? We know racist groups exist, the black panthers, Black Israelites, KKK, Neo Nazi's, Aryan brotherhood. Are they "not admitting they are racist"? No, fuck a KKK grand wizard went to prison because he got into a fight with another grand wizard about which one was more racist and they where so set on being the most racist they got into a knife fight. Most racist admit they are racist unless they are racial grifters or people who rely on the claims of racism to force their beliefs on others and to absolve themselves of responsibility.

In addition to all of that, the fact that this is hard data acquired by DOJ/FBI/BJS and other sources as well as backed by the NCVS (National crime victimization survey) all of which show the same data points, we also have all the other things I have mentioned like the most immigrant friendly nation, laws and grants and scholarships that only favor minorities, the electing of a black man to president twice with the majority white vote, the fact that 80% of interracial violence and crime is commited by blacks against whites, the fact that blacks are 150% more likely to commit a hate crime then whites etc. all show this to be the case. That is how I am certain that statistical facts from multiple sources verified by multiple sources, and verified by random sampling of the US population combined with objective facts, are true. The real question is why do you believe otherwise when literally every single thing, stat, and observable fact shows you are wrong?

[SmokinAces2000]

Lol first off the black panthers weren’t racist and secondly I never said everyone was racist I said most people don’t admit to being racist and I’ve seen that through my own observations there are hundreds of people on social media that say racist shit all the time and then try to say they aren’t racist so you cannot tell me that only 0.04 percent of the population is racist that’s some bullshit and anyone with a brain can realize that

[hellionthesagereborn]

The black panthers ARE racist, just because they are black doesn't mean they are not racist. If you claim that all of a group are evil and bad, your racist, period. If you advocate for violence against whites, jews or any other group simply because of their skin color and/or religion, you are racist. Their is no arguing against that point and if you think its acceptable for them to do this then you are also racist, again their is no argument, this is objective fact.

Yes you said most people don't admit to being racist and I directly refuted that by pointing out all the statistical data, you then said well we can't believe that data because apparently all of those people are also secretely racist i. e. you are using a circular argument, your discriminated against because every one (well white people, lets be honest your not saying blacks are racist despite being statistically more likely to be racist (again, responsible for 80% of interracial violence, 80% of Asian hate crimes where commited by blacks, blacks are 150% more likely to commit a hate crime compared to whites etc.)) is racist and you know they are racist because all of the evidence that shows they are not comes from the racist and you know they are racist because they are racist. Your argument isn't an argument its an excuse.

[hellionthesagereborn]

As for those numbers, not only can I tell you that, I did tell you that, and I told you that because if we take the numbers of the largest hate groups compared to total population, you get that number. So not only can I say this but it is an absolute fact (give or take obviously).

So the issue is that we are using two different definitions of racism, so let me define it. Racism is discrimination based upon race, nothing else, not culture not behavior, not action, RACE. Your definition of racism is any one who disagrees with you or criticises you or blacks (or other minorities) based upon their actions (like when I point out that blacks are overwhelmingly responsible for murder in the US (about 52% despite being only 13% of the population)). So that is why your confused, you think anyone who says anything about you or blacks is a racist, I'm just calling racists racists.

[Opinion Owner]

@hellionthesagereborn hey hey hey, when did I say anything about white supremacy? Or did you just assume a white person said that? Because I never mentioned that at all... you’re feeding into the very stereotypes you’re against.

Secondly, it did happen, but it wasn’t with hispanics, that was just an example I went with, It was actually towards Asians. Was I exaggerating a bit? Sure, that was attempt on being kinda funny, they didn’t say “I hope they all die” but they sure said the other things I stated. And actually, this happened more than once, one was more extreme than the other, but it was still very obvious.

Just to clarify, I’m not sure whether or not they were white, I just care that they were racist, and it was disgusting to say in general, doesn’t matter who says it. Anyway, like you said, it’s a small percentage, however that doesn’t mean people like that don’t exist, a small percentage is still a large number of the population considering the amount of people in this world.

I’m not hating on you, just stating what I’ve seen and heard. You can’t tell me what I did and didn’t experience. Have a nice day

[SmokinAces2000]

The black panthers were violent against white people because white people were violent against them it was more self defense than racism and you said the statistic was based off of hate groups, not all racist people are in hate groups so that still makes the statistic invalid. I also never said that the people who make statistics are secretly racist I just said you can’t always trust statistics because a statistic can easily be manipulated to fit a narrative, and I never also never said that saying something about black people is racist. Like I said not all racist people are in hate groups so you can’t go on a statistic that just takes hate groups into account and there are different types of racists. Just because someone isn’t harassing black people on the street or attending klan meetings doesn’t mean they aren’t racist. It seems to me that you just want to live in a fantasy world where America is the greatest country and nothing bad ever happens here.

[hellionthesagereborn]

I was refering to him, he argued their was more racist in this country then I pointed out, I stated that if we take all the major hate groups, the number of racists is about.04% of the population i. e. they are not a majority, they are not even a vocal minority, they are not even a silent minority, they are pratically non existent making his argument completely moot. Further more everything he has ever stated is refuted by statistical data and observable phenomenon from the fact that blacks commit far more hate crimes then any other group (150% more then whites despite the fact that whites make up 63% of the population and blacks only make up 13% of the population) yet we only talk about "white supremacy" in this nation. So the idea that we, the only nation in the world that elected a minority man as president with the majority ethnic groups vote and by extension the only one to do it twice is secretly racist is not just proposteres its stupid to a degree that is unfathomable.

[hellionthesagereborn]

Claiming that racists are secret racists so that most people are racist (or a large minority or what ever he is trying to argue), and that they just don't show it or do things that would suggest they are racist, is again, idiotically stupid (and circular logic) and would be classified as a paranoid delusion if it was anything other then a racist attack on whites (because he is not attempting to point how blacks are statistically and based upon surveys by blacks, far more racist then other groups (80% of all interracial violence and crime, 80% of Asian hate crimes are commited by blacks, are far more likely to commit a hate crime per capita etc.)).

[hellionthesagereborn]

As for your statement, so I was correct that you did not hear that, so I fail to see how I was wrong in that or how you where not in fact making that up. Finding a group of people unattractive is not racism, it is preference. If a black person doesn't find white people attractive it is not racist, if an Asian person doesn't find black people attractive it is not racism, it is preference. Saying they all should die is racist but according you that was not stated. Hating a particular culture is also not racist, it has nothing to do with race. I know people who hate working with indian women because they tend to be pampered and make for bad workers. Now you can disagree with that assesment, but that is not racism as its directly tied to a cultural practice not their race. I hate American black culture because it makes excuses for shitty behavior, treats blacks like objects by removing any sense of personal obligation and responsibility from them, and is as self pitying as it is rabidly racist. That doesn't mean I am racist, I have no issue with blacks who are not part of that culture, blacks from africa, aboriginals, or older blacks who where not part of that culture or younger ones who abhor the culture as well. Their is a distinction between hating a culture and hating a race. I have yet to see you make that distinction with your claim and thus far you have already admitted that it was at least partially fabricated (in order to push a particular idea, that is that people are racist but don't admit it).

So again, how was I incorrect?

[hellionthesagereborn]

@SmokinAces2000 Incorrect. They where violent against whites and jewish people, regardless of behaviors of those groups (unless your going to tell me that jewish people stormed black neighborhoods?). They are a violent hate group and that is according to the southern poverty law center which is a far left organization.

They preach black supremacy (which of course your fine with because as we have previously established you are racist). They stated in their chant in Tulsa: "During a gathering of the Tulsa Black Power Jaycees, the New Black Panther Party vowed to “kill everything white in sight.”"
Here is them saying a bunch of racist shit:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1398811689223479298
So yes, yes they are a group of racists when they call for killing all white people and screaming that white people are all evil and need to be destroyed. Pretty much the definition of racism in fact.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@SmokinAces2000 As for your statistics argument, no. Your not saying they can be manipulated, your saying that they don't say what you want so it must be wrong. BJS, DOJ, FBI, CDC, NCVS all show the same thing. Your interactions and my interactions show the exact things. The Census data on earnings shows that African immigrants and minorities in general out earn most if not all white ethnic groups. The laws favor blacks (hiring quotas etc.) thus showing that society as a whole panders to you not to whites. We had a black man as president twice, again, this is pretty damn conclusive evidence that racism is not rampant (at least from whites) in our society as if every minority group had their entire population vote for Obama, you would still need whites to vote him into office, yet we know that while black turn out was highest under Obama, they still had a sigificantly lower turn out per capita then whites, we know that whites voted him and claiming they did this while secretly hating black men is again, either a sign of sheer idiocy on your part or a sign that you are suffering from paranoid delusions in which case you need to seek proper psychological counciling.

[SmokinAces2000]

I’m not going back and forth with you anymore because it’s clear you have nothing better to do than to write a hundred paragraphs every time i reply and I don’t feel like spending a week reading all that

[OlderAndWiser]

Leftists call people racist anytime something is said that the leftists don't like and race is even tangentially involved. Therefore, "racist" has lost its meaning as an accurate descriptor of an attitude and it has just become part of their banal name calling. People don't admit to being a racist like they don't admit to being an "idiot" or "homophobe" or any of the left's other favorites names.

[Aguysopinion4799]

Probably because people have different views on what is racist and they don't want to be called racist so if anyone ever tells them what they said was racist, they will throw a tantrum on the subject because people don't like being associated with the word, even when their opinions are actually exactly what it is.

The problem is that there are people who make different comments against other races, like
Their colour
Their accent
Their stereotypes
Complain about there being too many immigrants, this is common in elderly people

So when different people say their opinions, they don't like to class their opinion as racist, because it doesn't go in line with the others. Also because a lot of people probably still try to compare their own words to historical racism and that somehow makes them feel like they are okay...

I'm not a perfect person, I admit it, but I am not racist, I will accept anyone until they give me a reason not to and even then I give them chances to earn my trust back. My level of trust and caution is not unique to a race of people, it is the same all across the board.

[normalice]

I think the far right news has created a culture out of insisting that racism doesn't matter. Like, if someone is in the Klan that shouldn't matter because the thing that does matter is they promise to keep pot illegal or make abortions harder to access.

What this does, apart from the obvious, is heavily suggest that the far right news can't be racist. Thus anything they say is not racist. So when someone repeats it, you have a whole tangled false narrative you'd have to walk them out of before you would be able to explain how it's racist. And no one has time for that (which is why they do it that way)

[Not_Average]

Dude do you not see what ridiculous claims now qualify as racist? I don’t support BLM because they’ve caused 2 billion in infrastructure damage, several dozen deaths, demand equity over equality, increased the crime rate as a result of defunding the police, caused massive division, funded the Democratic Party via donations, and are against the nuclear family. Their leaders have also been facing legal action for taking donations and living in mansions instead of actually helping black lives. For this, I’ve been called a racist. Amy Coney Barret was called a white supremacist for having adopted two black children. An economist I follow was called a white supremacist for saying that Trumps corporate tax rates had positive expansionary effect on the economy. People are getting let go from their jobs because they post AllLivesMatter and PoliceLivesMatter. It’s absurd and entirely irrational. People are getting sick of the race baiting.

[SmokinAces2000]

I don’t consider people disagreeing with BLM racist because many black people agree but I’m talking about real racism and wether you want to hear it or not all lives matter and blue lives matter are racist movements, now maybe not everyone supporting them are racist maybe they are e just ill informed but those movements are extremely racist. All lives matter is racist because it purposely excludes black lives, they want to say “ it includes black people too” I call bullshit, if ALM supporters believed that then why make a whole movement after BLM if all lives matter then why are you protesting against BLM. Not to mention I feel like it’s not even a movement it’s more of a shut the fuck up movement. And Blue Lives Matter or police lives matter is bullshit too because people weren’t protesting for police until BLM started protesting against police because of police brutality. So the way I see it is Blue Lives Matter is a “we don’t care what’s happening to the black community we only support cops movement. I mean look at the capital riots they were beating police officers with blue lives matter flags, seriously. It’s clear that neither of these movements have any other meaning than to belittle black people

[Not_Average]

People were treating police like crap from the effects of this movement. People generally have sympathy and morale. Anyone who’s being abused should be stuck up for. That’s why people posted BlueLivesMatter.

[SmokinAces2000]

But what’s your rational about how trump supporter that claim to “back the blue” were beating police officers with the blue lives matter flags 😂 come on if that’s not contradiction I don’t know what is

[Not_Average]

I don’t judge an entire group of people off of the actions of few. Not a rational thing to do.

[SmokinAces2000]

Yet you judge the entire BLM movement riiight

[Not_Average]

If on Trumps administrative plans, they stated that they believe in equity over quality, are against the nuclear family, and want to defund the police jeopardizing the lives of everyone who lives in bad neighborhoods where police are already understaffed… I’d oppose them as well.

I’m not here to cheer lead with blind devotion. I’m Christian and I’m commanded to not judge, but rather use discernment. I can empathize with their passion, but I think their cause is doing more harm than good and I unequivocally oppose their mission statement.

I’d be willing to hear you out and listen to your perspective.

[SmokinAces2000]

You know a lot of people assume that I am 100 percent with the BLM movement when I’m not I just say it because its a powerful statement “Black Lives Matter” but I don’t necessarily support the movement as a whole but it’s really a slap in my face when ever I hear all lives matter or blue lives matter

[Not_Average]

The only thing I can say is that people naturally want to support the oppressed or underdog. I think we should support blue lives and make that known because they have an incredibly difficult job and this division is causing hatred towards them on a leve unfathomable. We should care about all lives including those who are police officers. Can we agree on that?

[SmokinAces2000]

Eh, you know what would really help police, if the good ones would publicly denounce the bad ones and stop being scared to go up against other police officers and call them out usually when some cops do call someone out it’s already too late

[Lionman95]

No one admits that there are racists because it like committing suicide socially. Admitting you´ve made a racist comment/ something racist costs so much that no one ever will admit doing so if it isn´t already in court.
No one wants to be racists with a racists, no one wants to have a racist co-worker.
Because modern culture greets you with hate and death wishes every person with a clear mind (meaning he/she isn´t high/drunk/manipulated in his/her mind) will never admit that because no one wants to be hated or wished death.

"They could be fired from their jobs and cancelled but they still won’t admit to being racist,..."
But if they admitted that they´ve been racists they would be fired and cancelled even worse, so there´s no benefit of admitting it.
Are that naive?

[The_Other]

Perhaps because some of them are just wannabe racists/haters and actually aren't, but keep trying, like many on this site.
Or just trolling on purpose looking for who to trigger... also like many on this site.
Some are just politicians, if they admit to being racist in this day and age it might be the end of their careers, so they keep it on the down low while inflicting pain through racist policies. (Drug war, crime bill etc)
Some probably don't even know that something they did can actually be perceived as racist... which raises another question... then are they actually racist if they don't know that what they did or said appears as racism? (Intent)
There's probably so many other reasons.

[Dragonpurple]

The definition of racism is decided by others, not themselves.

I say there is two types of racists, the kind who are proud and admit to it... those are the true ones. They won't care what society says is good or bad.

Then there is the kind that aren't actively racist, they do not go out of their way to say or do stuff, but others still consider them racist.

100% of people in the USA are racist, based on the modern day standards. Black people are racist to whites, whites to natives, natives to latino's, latino's to Asian's and so forth... my point is when you have a all encompassing standard everyone will fit into it.

There is only one race the human race, but when liberals are saying the highway system itself is racist, I just have to laugh and think what will they find next that is racist? When merely building roads and the roads themselves are racist.

[jerdanro]

People make mistakes. The can say offensive things without meaning to or make a joke that falls flat.

People can also be way to sensitive or get off on calling other people out.

Lenny Bruce used to open his set with (paraphrasing), "are there any ni@@rs in the audience? Any Kikes out there?"

The crowd, mostly black and jewish (Bruce was a jew) went crazy with laughter because they new the rest of the hour would be brutal satire of racism and discrimination. He used his comedy to make political and social statements crying for equality.

He also used those words to diminish their power. Like black people do today by claiming the N word as their own.

Lenny Bruce was a trail blazer in comedy in the 60s a deeply involved in the civil rights movement.

So here is someone who on the surface said a terrible racist thing, but was fighting for equality.

Unfortunately today, someone would be offended and he would be cancelled

[SmokinAces2000]

Yeah people would be offended today because it’s not the 60s times are different you can’t ask an audience if there are niggers in there. In the 60s a lot of white people were saying n** so it’s not so surprising that black people would be laughing since they knew that he was for the civil rights movement and that he didn’t have an malicious intent, so of course that would not fly today

[jerdanro]

But why wouldn't it fly today? It's because the political climate and media have pit us against eachother so much that no one will even consider someone has good intent.

[SmokinAces2000]

It wouldn’t fly today because white people aren’t walking around calling black people niggers anymore so that wouldn’t even be comedic

[jerdanro]

I'm not saying to use that line exactly. I'm speaking more about the general climate. But I'm not worried. The cancel and call out cultures are starting to eat their own.

[420Rachel]

Because they're cowards and bullies. That's all racists are. They're hateful because of pointless prejudice. People are individuals, not stereotypes.

[hellionthesagereborn]

They do. Do you seriously think that the black Israelites hide their racism? The KKK? Neo Nazi's? The only people who don't admit to being racist are ironically the ones screaming that every one else is racist but them OR people who are not racist but being accused of it because they have an opinion that the left doesn't like (I've been accused of being a white nationalist despite the fact that what I was talking about had nothing to do with race nor did it have anything to do with nationalism).

[rounddablock]

The human brain has a way of categorizing certain groups of people (this is not only for race but gender, sexuality and even regional/socio economical differences). The mind has a way of taking “mental shortcuts”.

Anyway I would be a lot more open minded to re-examining my approaches if I didn’t see so much overt and very obvious racism from so called “oppressed”’groups of people. Just because their ancestors had it rough doesn’t give them an excuse to treat me like crap.

[SmokinAces2000]

Just because some people treat you like crap from a certain group doesn’t mean that everyone from that group is like that

[rounddablock]

Oh I know that. But when you got REAL institutional racism bullshit like critical race theory you begin to wonder

[Soremain]

One possibility and what happens very often is people are accused of being racist when they are actually not and then they have to be fired because of the negative stigma, even if they were not racist.

Very often the people who call others racist are just dumb / assholes wanting to stigmatize others because they don't like what they might have said, even if it wasn't racist.

[cjmtherfcker]

That's a bit dubious on some level you can't really tell whats racially offensive to someone. And its even worse i you have no desire to understand why its perceived that way. Without projecting

[Soremain]

@cjmtherfcker But just because someone says they are racially offended doesn't mean they are justified to be or that they are even honest. Recently there was a guy who travelled in a train without a ticket and when he got kicked out he said it was racism because he was black. That's what people do all the time. They get caught doing something wrong and they blame it on racism. Or they failed to get a job and they blame it on their skin color.

Yes sometimes someone is racist, someone we can't tell if that's racially offensive to someone, but there are the third common possibility too which I'm pointing out. Sometimes when someone doesn't admit being racist is because they are not.

[cjmtherfcker]

So your saying the only person who can be racist is one who makes a conscious decision to do so?

[Soremain]

@cjmtherfcker Actually there was even crazier incident in my country recently that just came to my mind. There is this Somalian born politician who MADE UP a fake story how he got kicked off a taxi and the driver supposedly insulted him with racial slurs and then when they investigated it, it turned out to be fake story and then he admitted that he just made it up, but told the story because "this could happen"... Some people WANT to be able to call someone a racist and they go as far as creating a fake stories just so they can be the victim in their story. Being a victim is the new hero and people want to be that hero.

[Soremain]

@cjmtherfcker No I didn't say anything like that... what the fuck :D

[Soremain]

I'm saying sometimes people lie about feeling offended or they WANT to be offended, so they call people racist who were not being racist at all, just to be that victim/hero in their story. So sometimes the one "not admitting being racist" was not racist to begin with and that's why they "don't admit it"

[cjmtherfcker]

Okay. Good Good. I was about to be worried for a min lol

[cjmtherfcker]

Well in the case of your story that dude obviously lied, some people like attention. And they hurt the cause of racial justice. But lying is not exclusive to one side tho

[Anonymous]

Probably because people have an overwhelming desire to feel like they are good people. So they have to rationalize the world in a way that it works. Even if that means living in complete denial

Now merely teaching History of racism in america is racist. Because white people can't feel proud of a racist country

[MrMilti]

No matter what you do, someone on the planet always will be offended.

Some consider it racist, when you consider someones race.
Some consider it racist, when you don't.

Its just how it is, people are different and you cannot make them all happy. Some people will always hate you, no matter what you do, so I just don't care anymore.

[Anonymous]

Because they lack the necessary self-knowledge to do that. In their eyes, they aren't doing anything wrong. They've been indoctrinated to hatred, intolerance and bigotry, since they were little, so it's really hard to change a well-established set of ideas

[TommyMountainFigure]

If we are going to have a sensible discussion about it, being a racist is nothing to be proud of.

Answer me this. How can you hate a person before you have ever even spoken two words to them?

[genericname85]

maybe because they just are not racist? ever thought of that? just cause someone believes in stereotypes, they aren't racist.

and just cause some leftards frame certain things as racist, doesn't mean i have to agree with that and take their bullshit labels. the word "racist" is used for so ridiculous bullshit these days, that it is a huge insult to people who were victims of "actual" racists...

[A_Bell]

Race obsessed people like you need to admit your racism. Seeing people as simply members of a group is dehumanizing and perpetuates hate. It's evil.

[SmokinAces2000]

What are you talking about I simply asked a question now I’m race obsessed and racist😂 you know how to make me laugh I’ll give you that

[InfobotLives]

They lack the courage of their convictions, they are spineless. Most racists are though.

[AmandaYVR]

Denial, denial, denial.
People want to pretend they are better than they actually act.
Trying to talk peaceably to some people is like banging your head against a brick wall. They waste so much time and others' emotional energy.

[FunkyMonkee]

Why don't people stop talking about it, already? Even Morgan Freeman says, the best way to stop racism is to stop talking about it!! We FINALLY PRACTICALLY got rid of it a few decades ago until you people started kicking the hornets nest again!!!

[SmokinAces2000]

Yeah not talking about racism does nothing just like how you just said “you people” if we weren’t talking about racism you would probably still say that racist statement

[FunkyMonkee]

Except for a small group of people hanging onto they're racist ways, up unto YOU PEOPLE started bring it to the fore again and making a BIG FUCKING DEAL out of what hardly even exists anymore, we NEARLY got rid of it!! Now, YOU PEOPLE have to go around kicking the fuck out the sleeping rabid dog and are getting pissed off when it bites you!! DUUUUUUHHHHH!!! Maybe if YOU PEOPLE had a fucking brain, you could've figured this shit out long ago!!!
How is "you people" a racist statement? It refers to ANY group of people outside of one's own!! Skin colour has NOTHING to do with it!! Just can't leave that rabid dog alone, hunh?

[SmokinAces2000]

First off racism never almost went away you sound so fucking stupid and You are saying YOU PEOPLE purposely obviously you know it’s racist and you are directing your hate towards black people

[Anonymous]

They do admit it. Woke people cancel based on race all the time and constantly demand to implement racial discrimination in society. They say they are racist and just act like everything they do is “anti-racism” which is going to fix racism by being racist.

[Overmind]

Takes courage to look at the truth, courage that most lack. Do you know open air slave markets exist to this day? What about those? Some of them castrate the slaves. I never hear much on that.. Guess it doesn't count if it's not in the U. S?

[Sandra1637]

Because they often try and rationalise it somehow, and just admitting their racist and therefore bias flies in the face of whatever rationale their tryna push

[Gray-Wisp]

They're pussies that think that what other people think of them are more important than stating data. It also because of pussies that will try to get people fired for stating data.

I am racist.

[SmokinAces2000]

Yeah I’ve already seen you on other comments, and you can stop replying to questions I ask because I don’t tolerate racist behavior

[Gray-Wisp]

You literally asked a question about racism but then you don't want the answer?

[Gray-Wisp]

In other comments here you even WANT to talk about racism and 100% agree.

[SmokinAces2000]

I don’t care if people don’t agree with what I have to say you have admitted to being racist and sorry to break it to you I hate racists so no I don’t want to hear the opinion of a racist

[Gray-Wisp]

But the topic is racism and I'm basically a specialist. It's like if you made a topic about gays and told gays not to comment on it. You're basically asking for this dialogue and there is practically no better person than me to have it with. I don't understand the logic of why you're making racism posts if you don't want racism focused people to comment on them?

[SmokinAces2000]

You’re not racism focused you are just a racist that likes to hide behind statistics, which is the stupidest thing I’ve ever hear because statistics don’t include every person from a certain group so that’s not a valid reason to be racist. You are 25 years old so I’m guessing your parents probably taught you this and it’s a shame that you couldn’t break out of what people were trying to teach you and think for yourself

[Birdlegs]

You did ask why don’t they admit it and he admitted it why are you dismissing his answer?

[SmokinAces2000]

Birdlegs the question was not directed towards racists

[Birdlegs]

How would a non racist know what a racist is thinking obviously they think differently

[Gray-Wisp]

Actually, coincidentally your accusation of what my parents think is on the same post where I explain most things in-depth to a person. If anyone (not you obviously) wants to read it they can. I broke each of my thoughts and arguments down into sections on my post. I also explained how my parents don't think like me, unfortunately. Did your parents/guardians try to teach you that racism is good or bad or not at all? ↗

[SmokinAces2000]

Oh so you just decided to be racist on your own that’s even worse at least if your parents taught you you would have some sort of excuse but you are just flat out ignorant okay I get thanks for telling me 😊

[Gray-Wisp]

I mean if you want to be anti-science that's ok but I will be obligated to call you out on it in future posts.

[SmokinAces2000]

I actually looked at what you posted on the question that you linked in the chat and none of those reasons are valid. First of all the reason black countries generally have lower average IQs is because their bodies are focused on surviving rather than intelligence allow me to explain, in a lot of African countries peoples bodies use energy to fight diseases instead of brainpower, and you also said something about genetics actually if you didn’t know black people generally have the least neanderthal DNA as opposed to white people and Asian people who generally have the most Neanderthal DNA which would ultimately mean that violence is more inherent in white and Asian people. And you also said crime, poverty is the main cause for crime and although black people have been able to make it out of bad situations that’s not the case for all. This is a result of multiple things in the past that I can’t even fit here but main reasons are redlining, segregation, and slavery. Not to mention that when black people did succeed white people would come and mess it up like Black Wallstreet. And lastly you said achievements. I had to laugh at that one. Firstly there have been many black inventors it’s just that when you look up random inventions they will probably show more white people, maybe you should dig deeper, and also back in slavery times black people actually invented a lot of things but since they were slaves white people took credit for their inventions. That’s pretty impressive that slaves were able to invent amazing things considering they were uneducated. So In conclusion, all the things you claimed are the reasons you are racist are can be easily destroyed if you search for education and not narrative. Even though you will probably continue to be racist I thought I might just give facts to some of the things that make you hate my people.

[SmokinAces2000]

Oh and don’t take my word for it look these things up yourself

[blank_expression]

The basic issue with modern racism definition is it means those that don’t politically align with communism.

[tatianamay]

Some people are just Karens. They say shit, don’t give a crap about them. Some people need to stop judging other people based on race tho

[NathanDavis]

Because they might be idiots but still have some common sense, so they know well that their idiocy is not something to be proud of nor beneficial.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Saying hurtful things doesn't make someone a racist.

A racist has to have power to socially oppress you because of your race.

And people don't admit to being openly racist because being a racist is a very ugly human trait to have.

[Anonymous]

"I mean I see this all the time some racists will say the most racist things and still deny that they are racist".

To liberals everything is racist even different opinions.

[SmokinAces2000]

I never brought up any politics I just asked a question if you have to bring up politics in a question about race then you should reflect on how you answer questions

[Opinion Owner]

Being liberal or conservative isn't politics

[cjmtherfcker]

lol!!!

[SmokinAces2000]

What are you talking about

[MLGbreezy]

Well for some it's just ingrained in them so many people do it and don't even nessarly realize it some of the times nowadays.

[ToastyOats]

Its dumb. there's nothing wrong with being racist. Just admit it. Many people who are "anti racist" are really just Anti-White.

[Friendlybro79]

I think some people truly think they're just joking around when they say stupid shit and some just don't want to admit it because they're delusional.

[vlx-na]

Because today everything and everyone is called racist. If it keeps up like that - people will become desensitised and start admitting being racists, and then you'll get a big problem.

[Anonymous]

Saying the odd racist thing knowingly is not the same as being overtly racist or wishing ill of an entire race. People used to understand this kind of thing.

[Likes2drive]

Maybe they just don’t understand the definition of racism, they probably think it’s normal describing someone by their race than by who they are

[Anonymous]

For example in past being gay used to worst thing anyone who even gay won't have said it same way many people are racist but they won't actually say that they are because of cancel culture and subconscious they think people won't like them

[EyesOfGod]

Liberals are so racist and thry don't even know it.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Same reason why people don't want to admit to being snowflakes

[Anonymous]

Same reason people don’t tend to admin being rapists. They don’t want that backlash.

[tallcuck]

Cause it is criminal, legalise it and 90% will admit it.

[Anonymous]

Because they know they'll be ambushed, harassed, and vandelized if they do.

[Opinion Owner]

I answered too fast, I see your point.

[Anonymous]

Western countries write the book of racism. But they can't say "we are not racist".

[Anonymous]

I think they're afraid and it may makes them look like close minded

[joeldalton]

Lol. Have you tried shutting the fuck up about race?

[SmokinAces2000]

Lol racism won’t go away by not talking about it 🙄

[joeldalton]

Sure it will. If you stop looking for racism you won’t find it everywhere. When your only tool is a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail.

[SmokinAces2000]

Racism is racism there’s no “looking for it” if something is racist something is racist the problem is people like to pretend that racism is so rare and you have to go looking for it. The average person probably walks by 1 or 2 racists a day

[joeldalton]

lol. If everyone is racist then no one is.

[SmokinAces2000]

Did I say everyone was racist?

[joeldalton]

Eventually everyone will be as long as you keep obsessing about it. We have so much racism in this country the demand is bigger than the supply, so minorities have to fake hate crimes.

[SmokinAces2000]

Lol 😂 how many stories have you heard besides jussie smollet of minorities faking hate crimes

[joeldalton]

They happen weekly. It’s actually embarrassing at this point.

[SmokinAces2000]

Do you have any evidence for this

[joeldalton]

Bubba Wallace, the Covington kid story, Jason Stokes, Anayeli Dominguez Peña, Oumou Kanoute, Sherita Dixon-Cole, Amari Allen, Yasmine Seweid, SUNY Bus attack, Duke Lacrosse case, Tawana Brawley, Edwan Coughman, Gibson’s Food Mart, Samantha Wells, USAF Academy Prep School, Flynn Arthur, Kissie Ram, plus we have the recent rash of anti-asian hate crimes that are being attributed to “white supremacy” when it’s mostly black people committing the crimes.

Need more?

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

"If you stop looking for racism you won’t find it everywhere."

Yep, just ignore racial disparities in incarceration and poverty and pretend it's just because of 'individual choices'.

[joeldalton]

@Ad_Quid_Orator fuck off, commie.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

[joeldalton]

@Ad_Quid_Orator Now BLM and their supporters are Marxists.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

"Now BLM and their supporters are Marxists."

Wow, I didn't know 55% of Americans are Marxists LOL.

www.pewresearch.org/.../

Although by your logic, I bet that people who supported the Civil Rights Movement were socialists

[joeldalton]

@Ad_Quid_Orator lol. You excel at stupidity. Socialists are scum.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

Well if 55% of Americans are Marxist, that calls for a re-designing of the US flag:

[joeldalton]

@Ad_Quid_Orator No, it calls for a mass purge. Helicopter rides for all you losers.

[SmokinAces2000]

Joeldalton you clearly looked up all of those things and of course if you grab things from throughout history it’s going to be a lot you said it’s happening every week you didn’t show any evidence of that claim

[joeldalton]

And you claim to encounter racists constantly with no proof, so shut the fuck up.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

www.kff.org/.../

[SmokinAces2000]

Naw I don’t think I will shut the fuck up but thanks for the suggestion😂 and I can’t show you proof because I encounter racists online but for you to make the claim that minorities fake hate crimes every week you will need to show some evidence to back that up, and a little word of advice trying to flip the question around to the person who asked it usually indicates that you feel as though you lost the debate and are looking for an escape route by flipping the question on said person

[joeldalton]

Lol, I don’t need your advice. I encounter minorities faking hate crimes online so I can’t provide proof.

[SmokinAces2000]

Lol yeah okay buddy so just say shit just say it 😂

[joeldalton]

ironic.

[SmokinAces2000]

It’s not irony because you made a baseless claim that could be proven with evidence I made a claim from personal experience therefore I cannot provide the necessary evidence for you to believe me, you have not personally seen a minority faking a hate crime weekly so I’m still waiting on that evidence

[joeldalton]

Your anecdote isn't proof of anything.

[cjmtherfcker]

Telling people to ignore racism, is what a racist would say. Not accusing you or anything. just saying

[joeldalton]

@cjmtherfcker lol. So Morgan Freeman is a racist? What a stupid statement.

[SmokinAces2000]

Joeldalton you are clearly using that “my black friend said” mentality. Okay Morgan freeman said to ignore racism what does that have to do with a point they “YOU” are trying to make

[joeldalton]

Lmao. And you sound like every SJW. At least Morgan Freeman has an original thought.

[SmokinAces2000]

I’m not a social justice warrior I’m just stating facts

[joeldalton]

No, you’re stating opinions and never learned the difference.

[SmokinAces2000]

It’s not an opinion it’s personal experience you are just trying to divert the attention away from you I’m still waiting for you to show me where you got that minorities fake hate crimes weekly statistics

[joeldalton]

Your personal anecdotes are not facts.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

"Your personal anecdotes are not facts."

Neither ins Freemans' opinion.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

Neither is*

[joeldalton]

@Ad_Quid_Orator There are so many morons in these replies that I’ll try to sort it out.. What @cjmtherfcker stated that was that if someone said we should ignore racism, that’s something a racist would say. I asked if Morgan Freeman was a racist using that criteria. Whether Freeman is correct is a different issue, but I’ll trust him over a socialist.

[SmokinAces2000]

Joeldalton LOL republicans love to say that democrats think anyone that doesn’t agree with them is a racist but anyone that doesn’t agree with a republican is a socialist, Marxist, or communist 😂

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

Wow talk about an "appeal to authority" fallacy LMAO.

[joeldalton]

@Ad_Quid_Orator Oh I forgot, you’re the white savior who knows more than those silly black men about racism, lol.

[joeldalton]

@SmokinAces2000 - @Ad_Quid_Orator proudly tells anyone he’s a literal socialist. But thanks for playing.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

Now you're playing identity politics while accusing others of being "SJWs" LMAO.

[joeldalton]

@Ad_Quid_Orator Oh, here comes your ability to not understand English phrases. It’s so tiresome. Get a new schtick.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

Yep, instead of being controlled by shareholders, I advocate leaders of business firms should be elected by their employees. How's that relevant here?



Oh wait, here's how: after the Civil War ended Lincoln had the plantations confiscated and given to the freedmen to be owned collectively by them. But after he was assassinated, Johnson pardoned the masters and gave the plantations back to the masters, forcing the slaves to work as impoverished sharecroppers for about 80 years until the Great Migration. People want to say the GOP is still the party of Lincoln? Well, tell me who in the GOP is advocating redistributing shares of companies that they work at to African Americans or giving them the deeds to the property that they rent?

[SmokinAces2000]

Joeldalton I don’t like white saviors as much as the next person considering that I’m black and Ad_Quid_Orator is not a white savior you just don’t like that he’s actually winning this argument by a lot 😂 you have not brought much to the table

[joeldalton]

@Ad_Quid_Orator lol. You are a silly little boy.

[joeldalton]

lol, he’s smarter than you at this point, and that’s not saying much.

[SmokinAces2000]

Joeldalton almost everyone else on here is smarter than you 😂

[joeldalton]

Lol, keep telling yourself that. All I read is you whining about racism.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

"Lol, keep telling yourself that. All I read is you whining about racism."

Back in the old south, they had a term for black people who did that: "that uppity n@##$%"

[SmokinAces2000]

Joeldalton Yeah okay buddy you are clearly a closeted racist that has hate in their heart for specific groups of people

[joeldalton]

Aw, you called me a racist. The last bastion of the simple minded.

[joeldalton]

@Ad_Quid_Orator You know a lot about calling people that word, don’t you. Is it because your socialist heroes were blatant racists?

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

No, it's because you don't realize that the pitch on your dog whistles are way too low.

[SmokinAces2000]

You clearly like sticking up for racist behavior and I don’t know why someone that wasn’t racist would want to stick up for the behavior

[joeldalton]

@Ad_Quid_Orator It’s weird how you libs all pick up on the dog whistles so easily.

[joeldalton]

@SmokinAces2000 You know calling people racists is so passé. It’s “nazi” or “white supremacist” now.

[cjmtherfcker]

Another brain Dead MAGAT DRONE. Spewing all the same bullshit you encounter when they can't remove their Head from their own ass, because it will damage their pride.
How did that work for the confederates? Those inbred ignorant hillbillies, was happily led to the slaughter to protect their masters properties. All they had to tell em was be proud boy your fighting for states rights. Your a patriot lol

[joeldalton]

@cjmtherfcker aw you're going for internet tough guy now? Cute.

[cjmtherfcker]

You intimidated?

[joeldalton]

@cjmtherfcker No. You were so triggered you lost the ability to spell.

[cjmtherfcker]

Good little DRONE. Keep finding useless shit.

[joeldalton]

@cjmtherfcker Good little idiot. Keep babbling.

[cjmtherfcker]

Quit being a pussy and admit your a racist

[joeldalton]

@cjmtherfcker Go outside and get out of your mom's basement. You'll stop seeing racists everywhere.

[cjmtherfcker]

Ahhh shit. I smell Pussy lol. You getting MOIST boy

[joeldalton]

@cjmtherfcker The only pussy you smell is in the dirty panties you buy online.

[cjmtherfcker]

So Thats how you make your money.

[joeldalton]

@cjmtherfcker yup. Your dumb simp ass smells my skidmarks and jacks off to them.

[cjmtherfcker]

Yeah. You Always full of Shit lol

[joeldalton]

@cjmtherfcker And you can't get enough of my shit. I'm getting rich off your stupid ass.

[cjmtherfcker]

Nah. Your just full of shit

[joeldalton]

@cjmtherfcker and you think the panties you buy are some 18-year-old Asian chick, but it's really an old man ass you're smelling.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

I don't know about literal dog whistles but when the metaphorical one gets overused, the pitch gets lower and everyone can hear it.

[joeldalton]

@Ad_Quid_Orator I never seem to pick up on them. It's always y'all.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

Of course you would say that. The whole point of a dog whistle is deniability in the first place.

[joeldalton]

@Ad_Quid_Orator bahaha... you are a stellar moron. The left pushes this idiotic concept of a dogwhistle that they can apply to anything without evidence, then claim that people who hear them are racist (only if they're not leftists) and people who don't comprehend them are also racist. You are a clown.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

Yeah no evidence (besides Lee Atwater's' remarks). FYI, this whole "the left calls everything that they don't agree with 'racist'" is just a blatantly Orwellian attempt to silence people who call out the rights' dog whistles.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

Here's a real example of using accusations of racism to silence dissent: saying that people are racist for "claiming only black people use crack" when you point out the sentencing disparity between crack (used mostly by black Americans) and powder (used mostly by white Americans) cocaine.

[joeldalton]

@Ad_Quid_Orator lmao. You mean the latest blue-anon conspiracy of dog whistles you created? 🤡

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

No, I mean the (obvious) re-phrasing of BS arguments put against the first phase of the Civil Rights movement that are now being used against its' 2020 resumption.

[yoyoyoyoyoyoyoyoyo]

Single sided definition

[EternallyCorrect]

Almost everybody is racist.

[anylolone]

Good chances is because they aren't.

[taboomaster]

Probably because they're not racist.

[berserk945]

This is Biden and many democrats in a nutshell.

[ItsMeItsMe1989]

Is this.. a question?

[BIG-BLACK-Robinson]

Facts bro

[Sweetener_]

Pride.

[Anonymous]

yes its time for you to admit you're racist

[Anonymous]

depends on the person