It's like washing your hands after using the restroom. It shouldn't be illegal not to, but the people who don't are without a doubt spreading hepatitis.
I'm sorry people fell for the lies of con men and crazy conspiracy theories.
I'm sorry some jerk doctor falsified his vaccine research providing a link to autism that just wasn't there.
I always think if this quite when confronting anti vaxers flat earthers and alien lizard people
Technically anyone can be shunned for any reason, freedom of assembly... however good luck enforcing vaccines for people stepping out their door. Would require 10,000 more police in my area alone, let alone big cities.
Of course the government could remove the legal protections that the vaccine makers have, preventing lawsuits if someone suffers a severe side effect. I know lots of people who are planning on getting the vaccine once that expires in 2024.
My health and the health people I care about are important to me. I'd expect myself to be tested and hope for a negative outcome and also expect myself to get vaccinated regardless of others believing that Covid-19 and/or the vaccines are hoaxes. I will not judge others. I'll simply continue wearing my masks, getting my vaccines or boosters and avoid people I actually know who refuse to get vaccinated. However, my employees who cherish their jobs in my establishments are aware that testing and Covid-19 vaccines are required. If they refuse to comply to both, they're welcome to walk out the door. My company, my rules, my rights.
What if your employee gets the vaccine and dies? You have insurance to cover that cost? Maybe your employees are not as important to u as u have stated.
@Dburns1268 lol what? If her employees did as they were told and got their vaccines and have insurance but die, then duh the insurance will cover it. The employees wouldn't even be able to work there unvaccinated let alone have insurance with them. It would be like they died from any other medical illness.
Vaccines and testing is free even without medical insurance so saying that you're poor isn't an excuse. At this point it's just personal choice, and OC has the right to choose employees that ARE vaccinated to make it a more safe environment to work
I meant fucking insurance to cover the lawsuit the family could bring for requiring someone to have an invasive medical procedure and they die from it!!
@Dburns1268 they aren't requiring anyone to get it. They are just requiring it if they want to work at their business. If they don't want the vaccine, then they have another choice, to quit and find work somewhere else. It's not like this is based off of some sort of discrimination. This is based off of your choice that has medical consequences for others, therefore putting them in bodily danger. There wouldn't be a lawsuit at all. If you don't want to quit your job but also don't want to get the vaccine, and in turn put others in an unsafe environment for your selfish choice, then I have one thing to say, " You can't have your cake and eat it too honey!" 😊
Well, u can in Wisconsin. If an employer requires the vaccine, u don't want it, and you're forced to quit, u get to draw unemployment until end of year!!
I used to work in medical field 25 years. Under the Helsinki Code (international), the Belmont Report (international), and the US constitution NO American can be forced to do or receive ANY medical procedure or treatment!! The World Health Organization also has guidelines. U don't even have to have a blood pressure cuff used at your appt. ALWAYS your choice!!
Your body your choice But people chose Biden as a president so deal with Biden rules What can I say people got fooled thinking this is a racist war , chose Biden because he is a nice president than trump lol instead this is a life war all races are in danger. We have to help each other but they don’t let us
“My body my choice” Changed to: “Your body my choice” Almost as fast as: “Requiring an ID to vote is racist!” Turned into: “ID and Vaccine passports to continue to function in society is totally reasonable.”
@OddBeMe, I’m pointing out the hypocrisy that contradicts itself overnight from the mainstream left of center. Where freedom is acceptable only when it’s convenient for these authoritarians.
@DarkWinterNights I guess the difference is “is there an actual problem?” Voter ID? No there’s no fraud. Vaccine ID? There’s a fcking pandemic that’s killed nearly a million people.
@OddBeMe, So basically no ID to contribute to the direction of the country, but you need an ID to go to a restaurant, most grocery stores or have a job. You seem to care so much about enabling people to vote, but it sounds like you don’t seem to care about whether they are actually able to function in society as anything more than a 2nd class citizen. Sounds like baby steps to implement a fascistic social credit system to me, but hey- we’re in the middle of a pandemic so anything goes I guess.
@DarkWinterNights again…look at where the problems lie. Credit card fraud…yes, ID needed. Teens trying to buy alcohol? Yes, ID needed. Voter fraud? No. So don’t hinder voting access.
@DarkWinterNights funny. See that’s the best case of voter fraud people can find. A passed out loser. Because even if he had mailed in those illegal ballots, it wouldn’t have made a difference in a state of millions. And only morons would risk federal prison for a politician.
it's funny how the left-tards scream "my body, my choice", when it comes to murdering babies... but when it comes to personal health, where it's really "my body my choice", cause the individual is the only one who is effected by a vaccine (unlike in an abortion where a third party is harmed), they suddenly are against it. it's like they don't even know what they want enymore.
ah. so you support quarantining the healthy. I see. Reminds me a bit of the internment camps the USA locked up Japanese-American citizens in during World War 2 while they were "unsure of their danger to society". Not sure we really want to go down that road again, but I am sure that Democrats THINK they do.
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It's incredibly selfish to not take it and there should be repercussions.
I ain't getting it and I am not and will not be embarrassed about that so no, leave people alone and let them think and do what they wanna as long as it ain't hurting you or anyone else!
I'm fully vaxed. I don't give a shit if you are or if you wear a face-diaper or not. What ever happened to 'follow the science' and 'my body my choice'? Just convenient stupid words for the feeble minded?
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It's getting close to that. We're not quite there yet but restrictions and legislation against people who are not vaccinated is happening all over the US.
That's not how Medicare works, Nazi. Could I refuse to pay yours when the medical experiment you volunteered for starts to ravage and kill you? I wouldn't do that, though, because I'm not an ass hole.
I give you three years max. That's the whole point of the immune system destroying jab.
In the meantime, healthy people with intact immune systems will continue to thrive in spite of all the germs, including stupid covid, that surround them in the biodiversity of our natural ecosystem.
Gee an 99.47 average survival rate (the vast majority of fatalities being over 80) even before the jab came on line. Yup. The human race is doomed unless we all get turned into GMOs. LOL
Nurses and people with higher IQs are avoiding the shots. The low IQ and indoctrinated people that foolishly trust the media are most likely to get the harmful jabs.
Why? Because they question authority? Because they’ve looked at the data and chose what they believe is best for themselves? What is they already had Covid? One could make the argument if the vaccine actually prevented transmission that mandates could be justified… but these don’t even do that.
@DarkWinterNights Nah, they would rather believe something stupid on Facebook than science. Any sane person knows that vaccines works throughout history. Just look at smallpox and polio. They should not whine if they are currently in the hospital because they refused the vaccine
@rosemilk What excuse? To not get vaccinated? I've recovered from covid and have an immune system that will protect me from it better than the vaccines will. It's not an "excuse", it's reality.
@rosemilk You still don’t get it. People don’t trust the pharmaceuticals, they don’t trust the government, the FDA, Dr. Fauci, and maybe they’re far less afraid of Covid- especially if they’ve had it, than a drug created by institutions they don’t trust and are almost being threatened by. The vaccine doesn’t prevent the spread of the virus, why do you care so much about people conforming?
@DarkWinterNights but they are wrong in being more afraid of the institutions that are trying to save them then the virus that can kill them. Is the same thing as refusing a life boat and stay with your floaties because in your head you think someone on that boat might possibly be a bad person.
Vaxed people spread the virus just as easy, if the vaccine was a sterilizing shot where the body completely gets rid of it and does not shed it maybe make it mandatory until then there is no point
Everyone should have the right to make that choice. I do find it odd that some many people in the same place chose the misinformed one, but that is all.
Clearly no, but now its a formality just so you can take a shit. Gotta get your Science go shot or you are an Anti-Citizen, despite the illegals flowing through the south.
No I'm calling you a fucking Tax Cow because you don't know who the fuck is paying for all these Injections. It's a fuckng money sink, A tax Payer Money Sink you fucking moron. Big Pharma always has a buyer for their bullshit at no risk, they will always profit from it, because the buyer is the the Government.
I really don't know where you get your information. You are from the US aren't you? You really need to get a u boas source of information. Not to the left or the right, simply a reliable source. t does stop the spread of the disease. In my country alone it's estimated to have prevent already 20 thousand new cases. Also the vaccinated that caught the virus have much less agressive symptoms. It has saved many life's already.
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 Let’s see, there’s Israel who is getting flooded with cases despite having a vast majority of the population vaccinated. There’s “fully vaccinated” cruise ships that have covid outbreaks. There’s parties where the fully vaccinated all get covid.
Israel is not the country with the highest vaccination rate. Malta, Iceland, Qatar and Portugal are the countries with the highest vaccination rate right now. European countries with a big vaccinated rates like mine also have less daily cases. Belgium, Denmark, Germany, Portugal, have their daily deaths on record lows since the beginning of the pandemic.
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 I didn’t say they had the highest rate. You said that. Nothing that I said was incorrect. They have 78% of the population vaccinated. More than enough if the shot actually prevented the spread to have herd immunity.
But you know what I was curious and did a 5 min google search. Here is what I found:
"The rates are higher among teenagers and in the Arab community.
A new Israeli study found that, despite the delta variant, vaccines provide a high level of protection. The study found that the rate of serious infection is six times higher in older people who were not vaccinated than in those who were."
Basically they end the restrictions in the country and the morons who refused to get vaccinated are raising the numbers.
@joeldalton ok look, all disagreements aside I am sure you understand why business owners like restaurants or cruise ships don't accept non vaccinated or non tested people inside. What if they infect the staff? What if they infect many clients? That is the sort of thing that today would put them out of business. They can't have that so they demand vaccination or negative tests.
People have the right to not take the vaccine. Sure! But business owners also have the right to take the measures that protect their business.
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 I do. It's creating a permanent underclass of people. And in the case of NYC, it's actually a racist policy as only 25% of the black people in NYC are vaccinated. It's one step towards a social credit system like they use in China. It's patently evil and anyone who supports such policies is a piece of shit.
You know that these measures to prevent the virus from spreading are not here to stay right? Sooner than later the public spaces will drop this exclusion of non vaccinated people. That is the plan. Not keep this up forever.
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 And you know that history disagrees with you. If you support excluding unvaccinated people from normal society you are a shitty human being and nothing else.
What it really is is that you think you getting an experimental serum injected in your body makes you part of a club. And like most humans, you want to exclude people who aren't in your club.
When in history did we had a global pandemic that the entire world was fighting? Why the conspiracy theory? What reasons do you have to think the entire world and all of its governments are in in this?
The ones that get vaccinated are not doing it to be "part of the club". We do it because we care about our health and the health of everyone in the world. I would never look down on anyone who had the virus, already developed defenses and so doesn't want the vaccine.
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 But the vaccine passports certainly discriminate against those who have recovered from Covid-19.
We've had several worldwide pandemics.
Governments want to control. Nothing more. This virus was an easy excuse. Under the guise of "we care about health," they're doing anything and everything they want. Have you paid the least bit of attention to what is going on in Australia? Canada?
That one I give you. They should include the passport for those who had the virus and recovered. They have the antibodies now.
Others like the Black Death and the Spanish Flu were mostly on Europe. At the time there wasn't even the concept of a vaccine. And we live in very different times now.
Australia they confined Sydney over a single case. They really want to prevent it from spreading. Are you talking about that?
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 yes. That is inhumane. But I guess that's what happens when you give up your guns. The government can run roughshod over you and you have to take it.
Do you think that even if you have guns you can prevent the government to do anything? They have the army, police, secret services. Random dudes with guns are not going to resist for a long time against a few freaking tanks if necessary. Besides your government, as stupid as it is right now, has no advantages in giving you a vaccine aside from keeping you alive.
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 Um. Half my government is still claiming that a guy in face paint almost destroyed our democracy. And the taliban seems to have beat the US military in Afghanistan.
There's plenty they have to gain by pushing the vaccine. Namely the billions going to the vaccine companies that gets funneled back to their pockets. Christ, how naive can you be?
I was not surprised Joe won. I believe he won fair and square. I don't believe it because he is great, even the Democrats in the US say that's not why they voted for him. Everyone says it's because they hated Trump that much. The Talibans in a real war would not stand a chance against the US and everyone knows it.
First not all vaccines are from the US. Second do you think all governments worldwide get a share of vaccines they are buying in mass to other countries? Most countries are spending with it not gaining. Not to mention the colossal plunge the global economy suffered with all of this. The Russian vaccine is almost only used in Russia and nowhere else so what money are they making with it?
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 ok, let's try to make it simple for you. Company XYZ is a pharmaceutical company. On its board of directors is Joe Smith. Joe Smith quits company XYZ and joins the government's department of health as the head. Now the department of health advocates that company XYZ's vaccine is safe and effective. The government gives Company XYZ special authorization to create this vaccine and pays it billions of dollars from taxpayers to create and distribute this vaccine. Company XYZ donates millions to Joe Smith's political party. Joe Smith's political party makes sure he gets a bonus this year in the 6-figure range.
Again that works within the country when you will sell your vaccines abroad. What benefits do the governments of the other countries have? Literally everyone on the globe approved the vaccination. And there are only a few ones producing the vaccines.
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 politicians want to get reelected. Do you think they're going to listen to whatever the populace demands whether it's correct or not?
So that is the theory? That they just want money and to be reelected. So they control the media and the scientists to give the people false information that the disease is bad and the vaccine is helping. That is the theory?
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 If they didn't want money, they'd be pushing ivermectin. It's cheap, well-tolerated, and has over 37 studies that prove it's an effective treatment and prophylactic against sars-cov2. Which - by the way- they've still not isolated the virus.
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 How can you be sure that if there was something better you'd be using it right now? Let's try this again. There's no money in using a proven treatment that's inexpensive.
You tell me, since we're both not doctors, what this means:
I Googled that drug. It's an anti parasite drug and right on the first link they say the first studies about it had and I quote "widespread laws on the data". It is not actually effective.
And you actually think the government will actually go with that? They don't want to change. If that reset would be well made it would benefit everyone that isn't a millionaire.
The very thing you have me had this: "While many treatments have some level of efficacy, they do not replace vaccines and other measures to avoid infection." There are tons of medicines that are effective in fighting nthe symptoms of covid. Neither replaces the vaccine.
They are now german citizens. As a Turk, I believe that the phizer/biontech or just biontech (anyways) vaccine is a german vaccine. point. 😉 I think you are extremely racist towards Turks. 😳
racism is not a good thing. You're halfway through your life and you still have a grudge in your heart. The world is three days. and three days is left to no one. I suggest you clean your heart instead of hating people. But you're not the only one, every stranger I meet, they always say they hate Turks. Turks, on the other hand, worship foreigners. this is so ironic. no one should hate anyone excessively, nor should one be admired in the same way. Lmfao i swear i am in the central.
You know I'm joking, right? I'm just ripping the people who hate all immigrants and claim America's the only country that could possibly produce a vaccine.
Yes free to choose but NOT free from the repercussions or consequences. Yes you have the choice to not get the vaccine but private businesses also have the choice to make it mandatory to get the vaccine in order to work or use the establishment. You have the right to be homophobic but you will face the consequences of bring seen as an asshole. You have the right to be rude and call others names but you are not free from retaliation and being verbally abused back.
Being a free country does kot mean you can be a Karen without repercussions
If the measures are authoritarian, then obviously yes. And we reject that the same way we reject the even more egregious stance which apparently wants people hostage in their own home if they don't take an injection.
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