In a recent poll the number 1 issue concerning voters under 30 is Climate Change. What do you thing about this?

[exitseven]

[lightbulb27]

just read an article about how generation was trained in "climate anxiety". It probably is, I seriously don't think that is the major issue to fight. But have to admit, whomever crafted it is wise to know we have to have en enemy to fight to give cohesion and greater purpose. Since aliens haven't shown up yet, and nobody seems to be clamoring for a nuclear war... this is as good as it gets.

it's unfortunate the enemy isn't ourselves and our idiotic consumerism, disposable economy. I wonder if people will be discussing this pertinent issue while drinking their Starbucks sugar liquid out of disposable cups because their disposable coffer makers broke after a year. They have no concept of how their grandparents lived cheaply and more in balance with nature, and those before them were better than them.

[exitseven]

I could not agree with you more. My first set of kitchen appliances lasted over 20 years. Now the appliance guy tells me that I should expect my new refrigerator to last 5 years. WTF. I still have my first refrigerator. I borrowed it from somebody I worked with. It was over 20 years old when I borrowed it. I had it in my office for many years and it still runs. It might be 50 years old by now.

[lightbulb27]

as you know, it's the economic design... planned obsolescence rather than "make it last". Happened sometime after late 90's idea being... keep producing and disposing. The root problem in my view is the collapse in currency value which we are stuck with, which requires high inflation (disposal of the money by disposing of goods is part of that).
Gee... could that be why all those smoke stacks are running on high in china... warming the planet... nahhh? And the left propagated all that and champions it, and with the fingers behind the back designs a system that is in essence based upon destruction.
thus why I buy older cars... they were made to run long time.
houses thus... are very expensive to maintain... as are apartments. prices go up... but salaries don't keep up. We are being robbed...

[exitseven]

Cars have gotten better. My father used to buy a now car every 4 years and those 4 year old cars were pretty much rusted through with all that road salt. If an odometer reset itself back to zero it was a huge deal. I keep vehicles for 12-15 years with over 200K miles.

[lightbulb27]

me the same, they have improved. the japanese lead the way. those toyota tranny's are excellent and engines. #kanban. Ford got lot better.

[exitseven]

I was a GM guy for years now we just bough two new Fords and are very pleased

[MrCommodore]

I'm no tree-hugger, but they are right to be concerned, changes are becoming more noticeable now.

Big powerful industries have known about this for >30-40 years and purposely suppressed findings or aggressively ridiculed scientists who warned of dangers. Why? To protect their various businesses that are built on releasing carbon back into the atmosphere.

We need to make quick changes, but in a sensible way, and I don't trust Green Party types to do this, as they will most likely be reckless.
Yes we need to reduce emissions, but we also should be looking at Carbon absorbers (Plant more trees). If mass tree plantations were started on each Continent, surely this would allow for a more orderly reduction in emissions.

[exitseven]

Yes, there are ways to cut carbon emissions in such a way that won't bankrupt us or cause senior citizens to freeze to death because they do not want to use their heaters.
Expanding the use of natural gas was a win win for America. It cut our carbon emissions to levels that are lower than 30 years ago and it is locally produced.
A billion trees were planted 2 or 3 years ago to act as carbon absorbers. It will take a few years for these trees to mature but they will play a part in this as well.
I bet that John Kerry and all the other fakers at the Paris Climate junket never mentioned the clearcutting of the tropical rainforest. Why would they? THey are only invested in solar and wind power companies and electric car charging stations.

[MrCommodore]

Yeah you're 100% right on tropical rain forests, the rapid clearing of the Amazon is what has really increased this Carbon imbalance. And I agree that reckless cuts will do more damage than good, there needs to be a sensible transition period allowed.

And all this is for nothing if Asia doesn't get on board, smog levels in India last week shows the kind of levels of pollution being put into the air over there. Everyone needs to get onboard or it won't work.

[Screenwriter]

Good to see young folks considering a future completely unlike their present. It's frightening. We older folks are JUST as frightened. Climate change should be No. 1 on everyone's list and legislation ongoing and in place to amend it. The fact that we have NONE is worrying. Grassroots organization and know your congresspeople.

Plant trees, gardens, multitask on drives, walk and bike when possible and to get some exercise.

[exitseven]

You propose a sensible approach to this. Many just want to tax the middle class out of existence following some dream of zero emissions by using technology that is either not mature enough or just plain does not make the cut.

[Screenwriter]

I do want to restore the tax levels that Trump dumped. It was a foolish move pandering to the very rich and dangling a treat to the middle class. Poor idea.

Also took away itemizations that saved people on their taxes. I'm not saying create NEW taxes. I'm saying be realistic. Let the very richa nd corporations pay their shares. You have no idea how many wal marts and businesses in my town pay nearly NOTHING in taxes just to locate their businesses here and make out like big dogs.

[exitseven]

@Screenwriter It was not just a tax break for the rich. It really was a middle class tax cut. I watched my tax decrease by a significant amount, not just "crumbs" like Hillery described. I only saw it go up under 8 years of Obama. In my whole life it was the only time I felt like I had real representation in Washington and not just a cash cow to fund a bunch of useless programs used to pander for votes.

[Screenwriter]

But the middle class are the biggest taxpayers. Isn't that absurd?

The corporations and upper classes: people making more than 500K per year should be the biggest taxpayers. The middle and bottom should not have the largest tax burden. I'm in the 15th percentile and several of my tax breaks were lost. And the tax cut has caused our national debt to balloon.

People are bitching about the infrastructure bill and the economy and not taking into account that this long-ago created infrastructure has not been upgraded since the highway system was created in the 1950s. 45,000 bridges are near defunct! We have no public transportation money. That was phased out with Reagan. So EVERYONE is stuck in a car instead of excellent public transportation, which pollutes less and means people don't HAVE to drive everywhere or be dependent, again, on fossil fuels.

REviving and improving the nation's infrastructure will create millions of HARD, economically solid jobs for years to come. ANd KEEPING it viable will do so too. We'll need more bus and tram drivers, more bridge and highway workers, more civil engineers, more car designers, more electric and nuclear grid workers. More people finding ways to solve many of our current problem innovatively. And kindergarten and childcare will allow working parents to do these new and revived jobs. That is progress.

It is circular.

[exitseven]

The problem with the infrastructure bill is that it does not spend enough on infrastructure. Yes there is money for roads and bridges but only 400 billion for roads, bridges, public trans, internet, airports and drinking water. Where does the rest of the 1.5 trillion go? Nobody knows least of all the American taxpayer.

[Screenwriter]

There are line item lists of what everything goes to: green jobs and infrastructure etc etc... No it does NOT devote enough money, but the whining it high pitched and ridiculous, isn't it? The money has been cut in half already and more cuts are in the offing. We are a pennywise/pound foolish country. Taxes are much higher in France, Denmark, Sweden... but they have great roads and awesome public transportation and free community college so their children get educations, skills and have better job opportunities. We can't afford uneducated, unskilled youth. That is the road to perdition. A fabulous Tom Hanks movie too. As well as the Kevin Costner one about the kidnapper. A Perfect World. Crime and Punishment... We are punishing OURSELVES!! Arrrggg..

[exitseven]

Anytime the government does something it is always the most expensive and inefficient way. This is why I hate to see bills like the Infrastructure Bill get passed. This whole pile of money will disappear into thin air and the roads will still suck. The taxpayers will get it in the neck as usual. Anyone that believes that this bill will cost zero must also believe in Santa Claus.

[Screenwriter]

Of course it will cost money. If you decide to update your 100 year old house (mine is) with a new roof and attic and wall insulation it costs money, doesn't it. I spent about 50K putting on a standing seam roof and filling my walls and ceiling. I still have window sealing to do. Can't afford new windows yet. But that is far more than I make in any year. I've had my windows reglazed. I;ve changed broken panes myself. and did some reglazing on aluminum windows. These changes are very expensive, even when I supply the labor and I could not do the roofing myself. Not in my skill set. But it's a 150 mph roof that should last 50 to 75 years: long after I'm dead and might keep my son's future dry if he keeps this house. Certainly will make it appealing to sell.

DId anyone think the roads , regularly used, would last forever? Or the bridges? I'm sure they didn't think this system would grow the way it would and cars would take over. So, their planning wasn't great. And the maintenance for the system was patch as patch can. So some states have shitty roads, like mine, and others with big budgets have fine roads. In the north where weather impacts the roads, there's other issues.

This is long overdue and it will cost us. As ANY maintenance does. How do you maintain YOUR car or house or BODY? By regular upkeep. When you DO NOT do it, there will be much pain after long neglect. The pain will be in our pocketbooks. But the outcome will be worth it.

[exitseven]

@Screenwriter Joe Biden was in Woodstock New Hampshire last week. He stood in front of a small metal bridge that has been in need of repair for years. I bet id you go back to thatbridge in 3 years it will look just the same. This is what I object to. Billions of dollars for everything except what it was supposed to do.

[Aerissa_Jade]

I think it is a great time for capitalist's to get rich, create green vehicles that are better quality, cheaper and last longer than traditional ones. Not just vehicles but everything, use the free market system. Make something cheaper and cleaner and they'll get really rich.

Not by way of just making traditional stuff more expensive either, that just pisses people off.

[exitseven]

You make some good points. I looked at a all electric truck last month. It is impressive but the technology still is not developed yet. It is rated to go 230 miles on a charge but I got conflicting fiures on how long it takes toy recharge.. I would love to see the technology refined so that it onlt takes an hour the recharge the battery. It will get there soon I think.

[Aerissa_Jade]

That would be a problem here, I can often drive up the mountain to either camp or go hiking. It can be 200 miles for a one way trip. Once up there, no charging stations... they may need to develop some sort of solar charging for situations like this. My understanding of electric vehicles though is that would not be enough to recharge without taking forever.

When I leave the city, its a 130 miles without even fuel right now. One expensive place to fill up, then nothing. I prefer to fill up before I leave, go up and back then fill up in the city again once getting back.

I bet that electric truck wasn't cheap either... I wonder what kind of mileage is expected to get out of it.

[exitseven]

The truck was 60K (sticker price) It has a range of 230 miles (it said up to 230 miles so it will be less). It was pretty cool and you could use it to power your whole house if you had a power failure. I could not get a straight answer aout charging. I suspect because it takes what most people would consider way too long.

[EternallyCorrect]

Yeah but that’s really all it is, some people getting rich from selling things which people have been fooled into thinking are greener when they’re really not.

You also won’t get cheaper plus longer lasting. That’s no good for capitalists. If you get cheaper you get planned obsolescence, longer lasting will be more expensive. Otherwise they make much less profit.

[TrueConfection]

You don't need to be a geologist to understand that climate change has always existed. You also don't have to be a businessman to understand that "global warming" is a billion dollar industry.

[exitseven]

exactly. All the "experts" are people who will get rich off this hoax.

[Sam2021]

true!

[Mango-man]

Yeah, the climate change always existed and was happening. However, it is the speed of it what makes it dangerous.
The nature just down have enough time (not enough generations to fixate any advantageous mutations) to adapt to this changes.
It is the same way a car hitting you at 1 mph does nothing to you, but 100 mph kills you.

[TrueConfection]

@Mango-man put an ice cube on the table and let me know if it melts faster as it shrinks.

[Mango-man]

If you put ice cube on the table, the melting water will spill, thus revealing more of the ice surface. And since the molar heat capacity of ice is only half of that of water (it takes only half of energy applied to heat 1g of ice by 1°C that is necessary for heating of 1g of water by 1 °C, then it is only natural that the ice will melt faster as it get smaller because the only thing absorbing the heat will be ice (ie. difference of 20 °C).
Now put the same ice cube inside a cold drink and it will shrink much slower.

[Mango-man]

Though I don't see how is ice cube on table relevant to giant piece of rock in the middle of space.

[TrueConfection]

@Mango-man Ok, put it in a cold drink and let me know if the ice cube melts faster as it shrinks.

[Mango-man]

With the decreasing size of any object, it's surface area increase.
And higher area (relative to size) means that the object will be more susceptible to interaction with its environment.

[TrueConfection]

@Mango-man Brilliant

[TrueConfection]

@exitseven There you have it!

[Mango-man]

Nah, just basic physics.

[TrueConfection]

@Mango-man 👀👀👀

[Mango-man]

@TrueConfection Are you perhaps suggesting that the Earth is shrinking?

[Sam2021]

@Mango-man sheldon this makes sense.

[Pterodon]

I think their priorities are fucked up and they have weak minds that have been controlled by fear mongerers. Here’s the facts. Climate change is real but it’s natural. It cannot be slowed, stopped or reversed. You can destroy the economy with all this green shit and it still won’t change anything. The money is better spent on preparing for it. The ice used to extend as far as southern Texas. It has been retreating ever since

[BCA6010]

Concerned and doing what, exactly? Bitching about it on Twitter? It's easy to call yourself an activist and join a bandwagon... It's another thing entirely to actually know anything regarding what you're talking about, proposing solutions and making changes to your own lifestyle accordingly.

This thread is so far proving my point well enough.

[The_Maphio]

That the education system is only creating more dumbasses and that the media succeeded in shifting the public opinion towards something that no one has power upon, unless "great heroes" like Thunberg and company don't go in China, India and Indonesia to play hero. Alas, they could even risk their hides fighting for something where it's actually needed, so they are just ignorant cowards and whoever follows suit is not any better.

[sage2021]

I think they'll have more to worry about than climate change. How about how will they survive the next 50 years with such a screwed world they'll have to live in and survive old age too. People are so mean now a says, Lord help them when they are really old and caregivers are mean to them. They have an uphill battle for sure. 🇺🇸☮️

[Mango-man]

Yeah, the climate change always existed and was happening. However, it is the speed of it what makes it dangerous.
The nature just doesn't have enough time (not enough generations to fixate any advantageous mutations) to adapt to these changes.
It is the same way a car hitting you at 1 mph does nothing to you, but 100 mph kills you.


https://royalsociety. org/topics-policy/projects/climate-change-evidence-causes/question-6/

[MTC29]

The big worry in the 70's was fear of another another Glacial Period (brrrr). We are in what is called an interglacial period: an interval of warmer temperatures which separates glacial periods. These Interglacials normally last 10,000 years, but the current one began nearly 12,000 years ago, meaning that we are 20 centuries overdue for another glacial period.

In any case, I'd rather be hot than cold.

[NathanDavis]

makes sense... younger generations will be the ones to deal with our mistakes

most likely... by the time my hypothetical grandkids become adults, there will be no Amazon jungle left... or nothing like it is today

instead, it's going to be biggest toilet for cows the world has ever seen

[notwoke]

the democrats and media have done a admirable job of pulling off this lie. by the way, none of the 2020 predictions of what would happen by 2020 came true.

[exitseven]

I knew that. The oceans were supposed to be boiling.

[notwoke]

I meant year 2000 predictions of what would happen by 2020 came true.. My bad

[Sargentcaptain]

On the one hand I think it's really good that people aren't worried about foreign power going all Command & Conqueror on everyone, on the other hand, the fact that people can't see that China is the another Nazi Germany is fucking awful, yet unsurprising. It's gonna take another Poland for retards to finally wake up to a genocide.

[poneglyphs]

That climate change is real otherwise if we don't fix this there will be no second chances

[exitseven]

It is not broke climate has cycles and we are now in a cycle where temperature is increasing. Pollution was much worse during the 18th and 19th centuries the so called Industrial Revolution yet "climate change " only became a thing during the last 20 years.

[DaveToo]

I'm an old fart so what happens 30 + years down the pike really doesn't concern me. That said, my children and grandchildren will be affected by adverse climate catastrophes. So yes, it does concern me and I belong to a couple of groups that work to get our legislators off their dead asses and start addressing this issue.

[AviatorTom]

Climate change is an important topic but I think economics is more important. If you take steps to affect climate change but ignore its economic effects, you're doomed to fail. There needs to be a balance.

[douride2]

Climate has been changing for millions of years. There is no way to change it.

[Screenwriter]

The climate change we're experiencing has to do with carbon emissions that began 150 years ago after the Industrial Revolution. Has nothing to do with natural climate change, i. e., mini ice ages or heating up periods

[HighValue]

They should see this video for some references.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/ErftVFXSRso

[ShadezMcgee]

All voters of that age bracket to include Republican, Democrat and Independent? Or is this sample from Democrat voters only?

[Astarlessnightsky]

Not suprising, these are the people having to clean up and live with the shit, thats will be left in 30~40~50 years.

[jasco]

i think that honestly theirs not much we can do about it. The damage has been done, now if we could speed up the carbon cycle that would be great but trying to switch everyone to electric just isn't gonna work

[NamerOfStars]

That's understandable; they'll have to deal with it long after all the current politicians are gone.

[TheFlak38]

We have Covid lockdowns today, in the future we'll have climate lockdowns, courtesy of these lunatics.

[Anonymous]

Wow, the educrats have really done a number on our under-30 young people.
I believe their choosing this nonsense as the # 1 issue is all part-and-parcel
of God's Judgment on on this sinful non-repentant nation.

[jimmy2]

I very much doubt it the real conversation and concerns are Pandemic

[Lori11]

bs, brainwashed people.

[dustybiker]

It’s about time it was taken seriously.

[humanearth]

Goes to show, that they are lying to us

[OddBeMe]

I don’t have kids so I’m doing my part.

[exitseven]

I know- Thanos was not wrong.

[OddBeMe]

He should have just made pregnant women not pregnant for 30-50 years.

[exitseven]

good idea.

[Anonymous]

Lots of KoolAid drinkers!

[LegendaryIcon]

i wish it was for everyone

[BeMuse]

Polls are fake.

[Anonymous]

Man, they are dumb.

[msc545]

That's ok with me.