These were all real geniuses. They let personal feelings screw things up.
Afgan departure by Biden
W Bush taking out Saddam in Iraq
Bay of Pigs JFK
The botched Iran Hostage rescue by Carter
Obama giving guns to Mexican drug cartel and the Embassy in Tripoli plus many more
Clinton giving China Rocket technology for campaign money and chasing intern for oral sex
Watergate break in by Nixon leading to his resignation
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China is what it is today because of Nixon and Clinton. I don't think that can be denied. The only President to stand up to China was Trump and that was weak attempt.
Wilson dragging the US into the Great War. If we'd stayed out, the battered powers of Europe would've had to sue for peace- some bits of land would probably change hands, but the total effect wouldn't've been much. As horrible as it was that all of those people had died for nothing, consider the alternative: -Without the US forcing a harsher end to the war, there's no Treaty of Versailles, punishing the Germans for what's essentially a massive political pileup, resulting in no economic collapse and no bitterness that lead to the rise of Hitler. -Without Russia being dragged back in to a fight it had little to do with, Kerensky doesn't lose popular support and the Bolsheviks get crushed, resulting in no Cold War- against Russia, anyway. -Without the Japanese getting shafted at the Versailles negotiations, they don't go whole hog into THEIR horrific bigotry- obviously Hirohito still takes power, and I doubt things would've been dandy for their neighbors, but they don't pile in with Germany and Italy. And THAT means no Indochina wars. -Without the USSR (since it wouldn't exist) threatening India, the UK never invades Afghanistan, and thus the Russians don't, and we're spared all the damage wrought by THOSE wars.
I'm not so naive as to think everything would be sunshine and roses as a result; no doubt we'd have other forms of strikingly inhuman horror (humanity is depressingly good at those). But as it was, we wound up with a setup perfectly arranged to destroy civilization as we know it. It didn't (spoiler alert), but we came SO close SO many times...
What makes this especially egregious is that Wilson's invasion of Mexico showed him very well that he wasn't the military or the diplomatic genius he thought he was. When William Jennings Bryan repeatedly informs you to your face that you're a dumbfuck, you should probably listen. But no. He illegally invades a sovereign nation, violating pretty much every major law of war, and all because a government founded on a Constitution is inherently morally better than one that comes to power through bloodshed, which means it's better in every way for everyone involved. Then he ignored the Constitutionalist Mexicans, because they wanted political recognition of THEIR sovereignty. And it all fell apart, and boatload of people died who otherwise wouldn't've. Some mistakes are hard to predict the consequences of, but if you can't keep your borders safe from Villa's thugs and can't resist the urge to invade a country because they won't respect your rag on a stick unless you respect theirs, maybe you SHOULDN'T try to dictate to major world powers how to conduct their affairs.
In its entirety definitely Watergate, with everything preceding the break-in ("The Plumbers") and following till the resignation of "the madman Richard Nixon" (quoting Henry Kissinger). I recommend every youngster to read Woodward's and Bernstein's book "All The President's Men" to get the complete picture.
Compared to the current madman Trump, Richard Nixon at least had the decency to resign, before he could damage the country and presidency any further.
In German this is called a "Strohfeuer", which means, creating a visible short-term positive effect, only to drown in massive federal debt (etc.) later on.
As a Mexican, I hate how Obama gave arms to the cartels. I think taking Saddam Hussein and the war in Iraq was another big mistake though, it led to the rise of ISIS and an even worse Iraq than under Hussein, yes he was bad but now it's to a poing that most Iraqis became nostalgic over him and thinking of him as a type of hero. And the way Biden handled their exit of Afghanist was very innapropriate as well, now theTaliban even has equipment that the Americans left behind.
And also because Iraq had nothing to do with September 11, Afghanistan under the Taliban was hiding Osama Bin Laden but the Iraq war was a complete waste and mistake.
At first he was in Afghanistan then fled to Pakistan and they hid him yeah, he was found in Abottabad, Pakistan a small city with a strong military presence
Well, due to the fact it's current and has/can have ramifications, the Afghan departure and concede of Bahrain, in my opinion, was the most heinous. We agreed to do X, and we ultimately chose to do the exact opposite.
Additionally, due to the fact the US pulled it's Patriot Batteries and THAAD ballistic missile defense unit from Saudi Arabia, Asian news orgs. are sharing stories that many of our bases in the Middle East (Iraq, Kuwait, Jordan and Saudi Arabia) are defenseless. Al-Asad and Erbil being rocked by Fateh 313 and Qiam type missiles this past March must've traumatized this current C&C.
Wow, hard to choose- they were all huge. However, given the huge expense in lives and money for taking Saddam out in Iraq, right now I'd have to say that was. That said, transferring technology to China in general will one day be considered the worst screw-up by a US President (actually it was intentional and traitorous).
As much as I despise Biden's administration, I think the worse has yet to come. So I think either Nixon or Clinton. And well, Clinton didn't get impeached, even if what he did was worse. So... Nixon, if I have to be honest. But Biden is still PRETTY f*cking bad...
Wow, these are all pretty bad. I’d argue that the Afghan departure was worse than Saigon… But it’s hard to choose between the ones that have undermined America on the world stage and could lead to catastrophes vs the ones that either immediately or eventually led to a significant loss of life.
I think I’d argue the consistent blind eye to the corruption in the stock market that’s going to lead to America’s fall is a pretty consistent screw up by almost every president since JFK.
Oof, some good ones here. Going off the choices it is easily Biden's Afghan withdrawal. Followed closely by either the Iran hostage crisis or Clinton rocket technology as it possibly has led us to the hypersonic missile threat we now look at.
Such as? 1. the most robust rates of economic growth? 2. the LOWEST unemployment rates? 3. the LOWEST unemployment rates for African Americans and other financially marginal groups (by that, I mean on the financial margins)? 4. the LOWEST illegal immigration in years, and yes, this and #3 above *are linked*? 5. the LOWEST inflation in years, and even falling prices in commodities like fuel? 6. NO new military interventions abroad, and winding down of existing ones? 7. Peace treaties between Israel and six formerly hostile Arab nations? 8. Being tough on crime, while at the same time reforming sentences that were unduly harsh for minor offenses?
Until Red China released it's virus, things were in fact surprisingly good, in spite of an ongoing Leftist "Deep State" coup attempt with utterly fabricated evidence.
Under Biden and his Veep skank? That's all reversing, dramatically at that, and we have: 1. ACTUAL collusion with a hostile foreign power, namely, Red China.
But keep on whistling past the national graveyard!
hi@Curmudgeon highest house ownership by Black people. More black owned businesses. A ton of peace agreements. He showed how dependent US was on China. Also added years to Social Security system. So many things in 4 years. Then the act of war by China/DNC unleashing a biological weapon on US hurting the people by trying to hurt Trump. Ending wars and not starting any new wars. Controlled North Korea and Russia. No war between Pakistan and India. No terrorist attacks in US but China. Best President since Reagan. Tax cuts for people making under $25,000 , giving them more money for essential items.
He got most of it done and it worked where it was completed. It takes years to build and Liberals fought him on it with legal actions because they think more of Mexicans than Americans
If true, still not a good enough considering what was at stake. FDR gave half of Europe to Soviet Russia, allowing them to look the industry that them a big enough threat for the cold war to be possible. Not to mention causing 50 years of suffering for Eastern Europe. The Soviets were literally a greater world threat than Germany, but FDR was a commie sympathizer who thought he could make the friendly by fellating their ego. So instead of beating them then and there, we let them take Berlin itself, and caused half a century of oppression and international tension. I don't think there's ever been a greater foreign policy mistake.
Well Truman stood up to China during the Korean War which forced China to get North Korea to sign the split of Korea. But China wasn't as powerful then also Biden is the biggest mistake to the US.
@Bidensucks2020 I chose "Afghan departure by Biden" because I considered his botched plan for withdrawal from Afghan as a humiliating foreign policy failure.
This post makes a lot of assumptions. Most presidents don't know what every department under them is doing. They leave it to their cabinet managers and agency heads to run a lot do this stuff.
The CEO of Wendys doesn't know there is a finger in the chili till it makes the news. Same with a lot do government stuff
Nixon was really bad. Watergate, Gold Standard, Lost Vietnam war, created EPA (thats been a disaster) , why all this global warming crap is going on, Got friendly with China and now this is why America is dependent on China and China will pass US up. Price Controls which were a complete failure. Inflation that Carter made even worse. How can Nixon be so bad at President and maybe the best VP ever?
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