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If every state had had the same rate of deaths as the ones that stopped mask mandates, there would have been 160,000 more deaths so far. Those states (Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Iowa, Kentucky, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, & Utah) have killed roughly 80,000 Americans unnecessarily.
I can't see the article from Europe, but is Florida getting more or less than their proportion of the population (6.4%)? Does anyone think they should be entitled to more than 6.4% of the treatment?
They should be entitled to the treatment they need.
There's a limited supply (and it doesn't work well against omicron). Should Florida get more per person than other states? Even states with mostly Delta cases, which can be treated with it?
www.newsweek.com/florida-surgeon-general-slams-biden-administration-shortage-antibody-treatments-1663841
There's an unlimited supply of these shots, apparently. If a leader of a country truly wanted to save lives they'd throw every available resource into keeping people alive.
And sure, it's not effective against Omicron; we have nyquil for that variant.
And that’s still not a valid rebuttal.
Like you completely ignored the minor point of the 80,000 Americans dead from Republican stupidity?
Of course it is a valid rebuttal. If monoclonal antibody treatments take more resources to produce, they're going to scarcer. It also takes an hour on an IV to administer one, and it doesn't teach your immune system to fight the disease. They don't help with herd immunity at all.
Vaccines take a minute to administer and do stimulate the immune system.
Cue you saying "if it's not perfect, it's not worth it", or something equally dumb.
@goaded. This government wastes billions a day. So no, you can’t claim because something is “more expensive” it’s not reasonable to do.
Again, if it’s about health - you throw every available resource at keeping people healthy. If it’s about control, then it’s good policy to restrict access to some treatments over others.
You're going to keep harping on about expense and ignoring that it's harder to produce, and does nothing to help to manage the pandemic, as well as costing more in the short term, aren't you? Not to mention the 80,000 American lives lost because of states like yours choosing to force localities not to follow reasonable precautions against the pandemic.
You'll ignore the fact that you were screaming that people shouldn't get vaccinated because they didn't work as well against Delta, and are now screaming for Regeneron, although it doesn't work against Omicron.
There's still sotrovimab, which does actually work.
Not if they're cured by monoclonal antibodies, and the others have to survive the infection. Your insistance on refusing to understand basic facts shows that you're not interested in reality, just in painting people who don't agree with you as evil.
Do you know what Hyperbolic Reframing is? ↗
"the CDC outright stated that the vaccinated spread as much of the virus as unvaccinated."
Show me. Each individual, or the vaccinated (being the majority) as a whole?
"The treatment doesn't confer immunity, but recovering from covid does, dipshit. "
Once more, so you can get your head around it:
1. Recovering naturally from covid confers immunity
2. Being treated with monoclonal antibodies bypasses that build-up of immunity*
3. Recovering naturally includes the risk of not recovering (dying), or having long-term health problems.
*2 would be why Trump was vaccinated and boosted after treatment.
You get fewer deaths by vaccinating people. (And wearing masks.)
lol. monoclonal antibodies does not disrupt your immune system like the clot shots do...
LMAO
www.theguardian.com/.../up-to-three-covid-jabs-a-year-could-be-needed-for-protection-data-suggests
www.deseret.com/.../fully-vaccinated-people-spread-omicron-variant-to-others-cdc
www.cdc.gov/.../s0730-mmwr-covid-19.html
That's why they suckered you dopes into wearing masks again, remember?
You said: "the CDC outright stated that the vaccinated spread as much of the virus as unvaccinated."
The closest thing from either of your links is: "unlike with other variants, vaccinated people infected with Delta can transmit the virus". Neither says "as much".
I also love that you think the CDC is right when you think it supports something you like, but wrong when it says something you don't ("wear masks").
Well the CDC is already starting the push for "better masks" since cloth masks are admittedly just facial decoration.
Not that you're changing the subject or making things up, yet again, or anything. (Just to be clear, the CDC didn't say what you said they did, did they.)
FFP2/N95 > Medical mask > Cloth mask > nothing. Known forever. When and where masks are required in Germany, the first two have been the required types since something like mid-2020.
They cost 50c each, and can be re-used.
All that means is they're not perfect, it doesn't say or imply that they don't help.
(Just to be clear, the CDC didn't say what you said they did about infectiousness of vaccinated people, and everyone has always known that better masks provide better protection, but almost any mask is better than nothing.)
Here's some reading for you, in case you suddenly feel like dealing in facts...
www.cdc.gov/.../masking-science-sars-cov2.html
Facial decoration. Nothing more.
Just to be clear, the CDC didn't say what you said they did about infectiousness of vaccinated people, and everyone has always known that better masks provide better protection, but almost any mask is better than nothing. Also, I trust the CDC over you, and they say they're practical. (Did you not have anything to say about the 25% higher death rate since June 2020 in Florida than in states that didn't stop local governments and schools from protecting the people they serve?)
www.cdc.gov/.../masking-science-sars-cov2.html
Decoration is not "effective".
That's why masks aren't just "decoration".
www.cdc.gov/.../masking-science-sars-cov2.html
Once again: the CDC didn't say what you said they did about infectiousness of vaccinated people, and everyone has always known that better masks provide better protection, but almost any mask is better than nothing. You still don't have anything to say about the 25% higher death rate since June 2020 in Florida than in states that didn't stop local governments and schools from protecting the people they serve.
Once again, you choose to ignore the relevant part (of the CNN medical analyst's comments): "... in light of Omicron.".
To recap: the CDC didn't say what you said they did about infectiousness of vaccinated people, and everyone has always known that better masks provide better protection, but almost any mask is better than nothing. Also, 25% higher death rate since June 2020 in Florida than in states that didn't stop local governments and schools from protecting the people they serve: why? And Omicron is way more infectious than previous variants (just 10 days to double new cases across the whole US).
Sure they did. Walensky got on TV and said the vaccinated have an equal viral load. And I'll spell it out for you... d-e-c-o-r-a-t-i-o-n
Nothing but virtue signaling.
They said vaccinated people could pass on Delta, not that "the vaccinated spread as much of the virus as unvaccinated."
Nobody ever said cloth masks were as good as N95 masks. Are N95 masks "decoration", too? I showed you the research that shows masks work.
Feel free to explain the 500 extra deaths per million in states that disallowed mask mandates.
So, to sum up: the CDC didn't say what you said they did about infectiousness of vaccinated people, and everyone has always known that better masks provide better protection, but almost any mask is better than nothing. Also, 25% higher death rate since June 2020 in Florida than in states that didn't stop local governments and schools from protecting the people they serve: why? And Omicron is way more infectious than previous variants (just 10 days to double new cases across the whole US).
They certainly did, and decoration is just that. Decoration. Not real. Like most of the covid horseshit you spout
Let's play "what's Joel leaving out", again! (Or is it Joe L Dalton?)
1. Vaccinated people weren't infectious before Delta
2. Vaccinated people are infectious for 2 days fewer than unvaccinated*
3. Masks worked before and during Delta
4. Better masks are needed for Omicron, not none.
5. You don't want to talk about death rates in Republican states run by lunatics
So, to sum up: the CDC didn't say what you said they did about infectiousness of vaccinated people, and everyone has always known that better masks provide better protection, but almost any mask is better than nothing. Also, 25% higher death rate since June 2020 in Florida than in states that didn't stop local governments and schools from protecting the people they serve: why? And Omicron is way more infectious than previous variants (just 10 days to double new cases across the whole US).
www.cdc.gov/.../s0730-mmwr-covid-19.html
* " Researchers found that breakthrough infections in vaccinated individuals cleared in an average of 5.5 days, roughly two days quicker than infections in unvaccinated individuals, who remained contagious for an average of 7.5 days."
www.boston.com/.../
And let's play what Goaded has lied about
1) Lockdowns worked to prevent the spread of disease
2) mRNA Vaccines are effective at preventing the spread of coronavirus
3) masks are effective
4) vaccine cards won't lead to vaccine passports
5) vaccine passports won't lead to a segregation of society
6) segregation of society won't lead to violations of human rights
7) two shots and a booster is all you'll need
8) vaccines are safe an effective
9) PCR tests are an accurate way to diagnose a positive covid case
10) it's perfectly safe to sit in a restaurant without a mask, but wearing one from the host stand to the table is also perfectly rational
11) The CDC is basing its recommendations on science
Looks more like how can I misrepresent everything goaded has said, and pretend he said some other things...
1. They worked to slow it
2. They work to save lives, and worked on the original variant
3. They are.
4. Never said that. Why would I? I think they're a good idea.
5. Never said that. Ditto, and the segregation is entirely voluntary, unlike race or religion
6. Never said that, but it hasn't.
7. Never said that, but I don't think they'll be needed every three months like you've claimed.
8. They are. Unvaccinated are 14x more likely to die than vaccinated.
9. They are.
10. I've said opening restaurants when numbers are high is a bad idea, so has the CDC. If you're sitting with a couple of other people, you're less likely to get infected or cause infection walking past a dozen tables with a mask on than off. How much? I don't know, but washing your hands is also a positive thing that takes almost no effort.
11. They are.
So, shall we talk about the 25% higher rates of death in states with Republicans stopping reasonable precautions from being taken?
I think I just read on twitter that 95% of positive cases in Germany are among the vaccinated. Weird.
Funny. Nobody's been rounded up and put in camps, nor has anyone called people "dirty", just "unvaccinated", and that's a choice people make, not a religious or immutable characteristic like race or age. There has been a certain amount of "old people don't matter" from the start coming from denialists like you, though.
Deaths per million since June 2020 in the states I listed: 2,588.
Deaths per million since June 2020 in the other states: 1,852.
Difference: 706 deaths per million population, or 80,952 unnecessarily dead Americans, thanks to Republican "leadership".
I see Florida's gone from 2,000 new cases a day to 50,000, in three weeks. I expect they'll start massaging the numbers again any day now.
I admit I did nazi the concentration camp making a comeback.
I can see fascist behaviour, especially in the 16 states that chose to kill 80,000 Americans rather than follow reasonable scientific advice. I really wonder what proportion of the dead were Republican voters and Fox News viewers. That's nearly 10% of the total, quite impressive when you think about it. Just for political gain.
We all know what side you’d be on 80 years ago.
I'd probably have been doing the same as my father, working on Sherman tanks. Why don't you want to talk about how blocking areas from following CDC guidelines results in 25% more unnecessary deaths than simply doing the right thing by your neighbours?
Is it because actual figures (80,000 deaths or 160,000 lives saved) show that modern Republican leadership is deadly?
Let’s talk about your cloth mask being useless, fauci cutting quarantine time, him finally admitting that people are entering hospitals with covid, not because of covid, natural immunity is what has helped keep Omicron at bay, asymptomatic don’t need to be tested.
So you want to ignore the natural experiment provided by Republican state leaders choosing policies that work against the CDC recommendations killing 80,000 Americans? OK, that's understandable, it's embarrassing to you.
Omicron is "at bay"? Seriously? New cases are at more than twice as high as ever before and still rising rapidly. Maybe Omicron will turn out to be the last gasp of the virus, and it really will turn into the level of seasonal flu you used to claim it was. I really hope it will be, and that it will give people extra immunity without overwhelming the hospitals. But don't pretend it's any kind of a plan, or that deaths wouldn't have been far higher without all the mitigation strategies applied over the last two years. (The 16 Republican states that let 80,000 more Americans die than necessary have proved that.)
You do like taking what's happening today and pretending that it applied a year ago, don't you? "[F]inally admitting"? *IF* (I've learned not to believe anything you claim) Fauci said "people are entering hospitals with covid, not because of covid", that doesn't mean that that was always the case.
I haven't used a cloth mask since August 2020, and when I did, they were triple-layered which works quite well. Of course, you've incorrectly been saying all masks are useless the whole time.
The narrative is falling apart at the seams. Ole Dimentia joe admits he can’t do anything. CDC’s a laughing stock of the country. You paranoid freaks are going to lose.
Lose against what? If we'd done what you wanted, there would have been hundreds of thousands more dead. Like in those Republican-led states that decided that the CDC wasn't worth paying attention to, and killed an extra 80,000 Americans. Seriously, it takes a special kind of sick to tell communities they're not allowed to protect themselves according to federal guidelines.
Lose at your attempt to bring about a second holocaust.
Good luck going back to your obscure life where you can’t lecture people for wearing masks anymore. All your little power trip is going bye bye
@goaded. I’ll still take note that this is a pandemic of the vaccinated.
boriquagato.substack.com/p/german-omicron-data
Lmao. Of course they don’t. They’re facial decoration.
you still don’t understand this virus is cyclical? You’re that dumb? Why are the vaccinated in Germany the majority of cases?
Yes.
oh, look…UK cases skyrocketing too. Oh and omicron is a mild infection confirmed by them as well
www.theguardian.com/.../omicron-is-not-the-same-disease-as-earlier-covid-waves-says-uk-scientist
Time for you doomers to be retired to the junk heap of history.
Yes, Johnson's a bit rubbish, too. What, exactly, is wrong with waiting to find out if the new variant is sufficiently less deadly that it can be ignored before letting it infect the whole country rather than after? Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.
Nothing would make me happier than this being the end of it. Even if it is, that doesn't mean you've been right about anything for the last two years. Maybe we can take a rest from countering your lies about the pandemic and move on with countering lies about elections instead.
I’m going off the CDC’s numbers. If they’re lying, it’s not on me.
Who will come back from vacation, first? DeSantis or Ocasio Cortez who fled her shithole of a state for Florida?
you were upset when ted Cruz took his kids on vacation last year.
Right because her title is what matters. Keep spinning your way out of this one.
So AOC goes out of state for the holidays, gets photographed eating without a mask, outside, and the right wing goes berserk. You know that that's the rule in New York, too, right? You can eat outside without a mask in both states. New York can also take care of itself without one of its 27 congressional representatives for a few days of a two year emergency.
Cruz, on the other hand, is one of two Senators for the state, left for Cancun to escape a massive winter storm that had knocked out power to millions of his constituents.*
And DeSantis is the only governor of the state of Florida, and if he had a good reason to be away from his post, he should have delegated his authority.
* "Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez organized a fundraiser to provide food, water, and shelter to affected Texans, ... she raised $4.7 million. "
She didn't look very ill when he took her to an unmasked anti-vaccine concert. And Florida has suddenly stopped reporting new cases, while all the other states have numbers for this year, their last one is December 31st.
3 minutes in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehVNu6cGzTg
If florida was that horrible, then AOC certainly shouldn't have been maskless, IN THE MIDDLE OF A LITERAL PANDEMIC
She was partying indoors without a mask. Making a fool of you.
So the fact that the virus is out of control in fl as well as the rest of the country because people won't do anything to slow the spread.
So he is rationing it out because they can't keep up with the amount of people country wide infected is him purposely trying to kill people.
Not him going fl isn't the only state affected by this.
It be like saying we are in the middle of the woods starving to death, but I'm gonna make sure only 1 person is full while the rest of the group starves to death.
Or i split it up to ensure everyone gets a little bit of food and keep as many alive as possible.
It might not be enough to fill them, but it's better than 49 people die will one lives.
Same in fl. Because fl is irresponsible doesn't mean they should be the only state to get help.
Meanwhile, people who choose not to get the vax are accused of killing persons. This whole thing is nuts.
For same reason he bragged about writing the proto-Patriot Act in response to a terrorist attack that hadn't happened yet, and Gulf of Tonkined a "campus rape crisis" into existence to justify withholding colleges' federal funding if they didn't directly undermine the principle of due process: he's evil.
Given, however, that he can't just eliminate the tenth Amendment (much as I'm sure he'd like to), what exactly do you expect him to DO about monoclonal antibody treatments? He's not a governor.
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Let's see its called population control, scare tactics to keep the fear going and to control the masses
Think its bad now, wait for them to take the guns. Then there is no stopping the government from full tyrannical control over us
"Any zombie movie that doesn't have hordes of people running towards the zombies to deliberately get bitten because they're convinced it's a liberal hoax is going to look pretty unrealistic now."
twitter.com/.../1276932418046435328
@goaded your just another government brainwashed sucker
Besides this is not a left or right side thing. Both sides are working together to kill the country.
Just look back as far as Kennedy and follow the money trail, the corruption and everything that's been happening since Kennedy was murdered by his own government.
Give you a Hint. Look at Hunt and Bush back them. Then tell me what you find when you look into their past and their involvement.
If you keep digging you'll find talks about a fake world wide virus happening in 1962.
Basically it's a reenactment of the War Of Worlds Radio drama. Play by play.
And look what happened in 2020. Almost word for word it happened
If you pay attention to history, you would have seen this coming
When I say 'Biden' I'm really talking about his handlers, lets face it, is Biden himself really in control of anything? He can't control his own ass and if we were able to stand inside of his head, I'm certain that the only sound we would hear is "duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh."
Anyway, Biden is preventing the distribution of drugs and other therapies to places like FL and TX as a means to punish those states for not going along with their plans. Not giving this useless and dangerous jab to their denizens denies Pfizer, et al short and long term profits. It also shows that people like so called doctors Fauci and Rochelle don't know what they are talking about, and quite honestly anyone listening to or following what either one of them say. . . one would either have to be a massive delusional or shill at this point.
Why does a man who is anti-vax, anti-mask and anti-science claim Biden is killing Americans?
Again, how can you believe half of the stuff you write?
We had political leaders recommending bleach, uv light, and all manner of witchcraft that lead to the direct deaths of folks.
And you didn't bat an eye. This is all about your backwards politics. You could care less about the people who have lost their lives.
Yeah, no we didn't have leaders recommending bleach. So fuck off with your lying. I'm very much pro-science. What I'm not is pro SciENce cultism that you are suffering from.
And yes, withholding a proven treatment of Covid-19 is directly killing people. Unlike the bullshit you're spouting.
Of course we had your political leaders recommending :disinfectant" and uv light. I just wanted to see if you would fall into the trap. Since trump said disinfectant. But you said nothing. You said nothing while members of your brood actively protested and threatened the very lives of medical professionals working 24/7 to save their lives.
Then you have the nerve to claim you are pro-science. For months on end, people refused to wear masks. For months on end, folks refused vaccination leading directly to the deaths of vulnerable and immuno-comprised citizens.
All the while your leader was saying;
"And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that, so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me. So, we’ll see, but the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute. That’s pretty powerful."
www.theguardian.com/.../coronavirus-cure-kills-man-after-trump-touts-chloroquine-phosphate
Arizona man dies after attempting to take Trump coronavirus 'cure'
Wife survives after couple in their 60s ingested chloroquine phosphate, which Trump falsely claimed was approved to treat coronavirus
@RolandCuthbert while you're continually in the trap of being a cult member. Your quote is trump speculating out loud. As opposed to Biden blabbering incoherently, so I understand why you don't understand.
1) Disenfectant sprays as a possible treatment against covid-19 was being looked into.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7654935/
2) The dipshits taking chloroquine phosphate were lifelong democrats, and hydroxychloroquine is an effective treatment against Covid-19.
So you stepped to me trying to do this science thing.
1. The study you recommended is for effectiveness against the Omnicron variant. Not Covid-19.
2. Everyone knows about these studies. But we need clinical trials to prove effectiveness. Again this is against Omnicron, not Covid-19.
3. Even these methods are not cure as Trump suggested and as you ignorantly keep repeating. These methods might decrease the "viral load" of Omnicron. Which means they may be effective in decreasing transmission rates as they can lower the amount of virus a person is carrying.
You understand none of this. Trump understood none of this. And for certain Biden understands none of this.
The difference is Biden only repeats what he is told.
Trump opened his ass and shit all over the American public. You opened your ass and shit all over this forum.
If you don't understand science, that's cool. It is some complicated stuff. But stop beating folks over the head with your ignorance.
@RolandCuthbert that study is from 2020. How does it apply to Omicron, exactly? Damn, looks like you played yourself hard on that one.
Science is complicated stuff, but reading dates on publications is so easy I figured even you could do it.
haha!!!
This is from your own study. Why are you cutting and posting from studies you have not even read? I had this discussion with another trumpturd last year, when he similarly claimed that disinfectants were effective against Covid-19.
Read your own study ignorant man.
"Concerning COVID-19 transmission, publications have focused on the premise that saliva plays a central role in the transmission of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) and that procedures performed in oral and nasopharyngeal areas can generate a large number of droplets and aerosols. However, in the absence of vaccines or effective therapies, it is crucial to explore existing treatments to reduce the SARS-CoV-2 viral load. Infection control measures are still the only option for reducing the number of new infections (1). These studies reinforce the importance of biosafety and cross-infection prevention protocols in limiting viral spread during these procedures."
So I will leave it to you to do the google search to find out what SARS-CoV-2 is. Since that is the only way you found this information. Because you definitely do not talk to scientists or doctors. I can give you access to podcasts, facebook groups, etc. of scientists who are my friends. You can ask questions about the virus, clinical trials, research, etc.
But you don't do that, you talk straight out of your ass. And you do not even possess the intellect to be embarrassed.
Dude, do you think SARS Cov2 is just the omicron variant? Seriously?
Uhm. . . this is coming from the dude who said Covid-19 is just Sars-Cov2.
Sars-Cov2 can mutate into a lot of different variants, one of them is Omnicron. But all of them can potentially cause Covid-19.
I mean, isn't that cited in your study that you read?
Yes, in the study from 2020. A year and a half before omicron came about. But you insisted that medical study only applied to Omicron. Again. Keep up, bud.
They have surgeons in Florida? Sure it's not just a guy with a meth lab pretending to be a "surgeon"? He sounds full of shit though.
Mainly as it's private medical costs and not, government red tape which is stopping a lot of the Covid supplies and availability.
1) one theory is older Americans tend to vote Republican
2) he even as a Catholic likes killing babies using abortion.
3) he allowed millions of diseased Mexicans, Haitians , and others in country.
He puts foreigners over Americans needs.
4) He is against setting fires to keep from bigger fires in west which kills many people.
It's the lefts new "climate change" scam to gain power. Never let a tragedy go to waste. We see it constantly with tornadoes, hurricanes, wild fires... keep the morons living in fear as we completely take over their lives to "benifit" them.
It's about compliance they are testing to see how far they can go full dictator on Americans.
There's 3 Americans.
Sheep/Dicators,
Scary people aka people who scary to lose there job but disagree , and
people who see the truth aka red pill
Because he doesn’t understand the difference he’s been a politician since he was 29 years old he doesn’t know better. Fauci does know better yet he keep pushing this crap on people
Biden does not even know what planet he is on right now man. It is his admin. To be fair Trump kind of started this... Which is disappointing
All there in the Georgia Guidestones. It's a bizarre neopaganism, and believes America is a necessary sacrifice for Utopia.
It's not healthy for people with a moral compass to try to figure out people who lack of moral compass.
Politicians generally balance a number of factors which in this case may include a simplified message, money and cost, political allegiances, their own self interest, and momentum in a certain direction.
A lot more medicines are being held from the public. There isn't money in preventative care. You need customers for life.
this horrible mass murderer i can't believe it
They're morons. Their thoughts are irrelevant. And you can't form your own reply you need to tag others?
@Juxtapose They're too emotionally invested in the bamboozle.
@goaded I'm an old school liberal, FDR style.
I wanted you here to discuss the original poster's link. I know you tend to disagree so you'll make the discussion better, regardless if you are correct or not.
I am not interested in name calling by the way, we're too old to talk like that to each other.
@Juxtapose, you know he isn't going to address any issue head-on and he's a dishonest leftist hack.
"I am not interested in name calling by the way, we're too old to talk like that to each other."
OK, then don't insult everyone's intelligence by calling something that's killed 800,000 Americans a scam and implying you can declare victory without consequences. Address the 25% higher death rate since June 2020 in Florida and similarly dangerous states; that's the result of "back to normal NOW".
The OP's question is simply hyperbolic reframing of decisions made by government scientists to make Biden sound evil. I don't believe for a second that the decision is being made for non-scientific reasons, or that they're getting less than 6.4% of resources.
The Florida SG, Dr. Joseph Ladapo, is positively anti vaccinations and masks, and now he's complaining that he's not getting priority on treatments that wouldn't be necessary if it wasn't for DeSantis' and his choices. Does Florida deserve more than their fair share of treatments, especially since it's a political decision to let more of their citizens get sick and die than other states?
@Avicenna Let me know if you ever bring anything substantive to any discussion.
I’m not a virologist but simple google search fellas:
“ Two of the three monoclonal antibody treatments that doctors have depended on to keep Covid-19 patients from becoming seriously ill do not appear to thwart the latest version of the coronavirus.”
www.nytimes.com/.../...nal-antibodies-omicron.html
Yet my old google machine seems to say it’s a ton les effective. And actual vaccinations are 70% effective conservatively….
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2119270
@joeldalton "Tell me what the limit is, then. Where’s the line of “keeping people safe” for you. "
That's an interesting response to me pointing out that you're trying to paint practical health advice as an "attempt to bring about a second holocaust." Here's a hint: trying to keep people alive until a pandemic runs its course is not the same as trying to wipe out "undesirables".
I'd say that in countries with long borders and lots of travel, Germany's approach would be one to be aspired to (and we're not without our right-wing areas, mostly in the old East Germany, where conspiracy theories, cases, and deaths are far higher than elsewhere in the country).
Deaths per million: 1,339, the equivalent of 442,000 Americans total.
Or there's the EU, with 27 different countries, at least as many different cultures and languages, which has just topped 2,000 deaths per million, like 670,000 Americans.
Of course, if you're somewhere like Australia or New Zealand and you have a chance to nip it in the bud and stay almost completely free of the virus, it makes sense to come down hard on people who would basically commit mass murder by intentionally spreading the disease. They've had 87 and 10 deaths per million, respectively, like 29,000 and 3,330 Americans.
Because he’s an establishment politician
More nonsense.
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