Do you think most liberals in the U. S. will ever be humble enough to admit to conservatives they fell and still are falling for the Covid-19 hysteria, restrictions and fear mongering mostly through the media, though Covid virus literally has between 97% and 99%.75% survival rate, only killing off extremely obese people, people who are extremely old and those who already suffer from lung and breathing problems or will their pride and ego prevent them from admitting they fell for the unwarranted hysteria? https://www.webmd.com/lung/covid-recovery-overview#:~:text=Experts%20don't%20have,%25%20and%2099.75%25.
Will conservatives ever admit they were duped by the "evidence" that lead up to the war in Iraq? Same thing. Time will pass, it will become clear that a terrible mistake was made, costing uncountable fortune and many, MANY lives, and eventually the tide will turn against the idea- but those responsible will never admit they were in favor of it.
Show them all the emails and text messages you want, play all the voice mails. Show them their own words, that explain in no uncertain terms that they were gung-ho for the calls that crippled their futures. It won't matter. They'll admit that IT was wrong, but not that they were.
That's not to say that NOTHING has been learned: take a look at the other times this question has been asked, and at all the people defending it. Count what percentage of those commenters are anonymous.
Covid is one of the many things that made me want to finally get serious about my health. I started losing weight. I'm down close to 80 lbs and my mental health is vastly improved. I would say that I am making the most of the situation. I still go out, I am vaxxed, but I didn't mask up after the vax and the mandates were listed. With Delta and Omnicron I will choose to wear a mask just so I can have SOME added protection going on. I also like to wear gloves too. But in fact I dont mind. Think about the dude stocking the shelves that might have scratched his nuts while you weren't looking. tbh I worked as a cashier for years and used to BEG for an excuse to wear a mask and gloves lol. people are just DIRTY. Blowing their noses w/o washing hands, same after using the bathroom, not covering when they cough. Maybe this is for the best lol. I get it though I do support people's rights.
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Anti-vaxxers ignore science, force their contagious germs and shitty attitudes on the rest of us and die of COVID. When we, who are vaxxed, point it out, we're called vile. I don't wish death or COVID on anyone, but when you choose ignorance over science, you invite trouble.
Covid has a lower survival rate than malaria, and nobody says malaria isn't a deadly disease. Almost a million Americans died from Covid... an American is nearly four times more likely to die from it compared to Canada where way more people are vaccinated and wear masks.
Just shy of 100% of the Americans who died over the past two years had tooth decay at the time of their deaths. This means they died of tooth decay.
See how stupid it sounds when applied to other diseases? It's no less stupid when they do it with Covid. And even WITH those inflated numbers, 0.25% is not, in fact, higher than 0.3%- and that's not to mention the well-established treatment protocols for malaria.
@NamerOfStars If a person dies of cancer and has covid it is not counted in the covid deaths, I work in a hospital, I know how they do the counting.
800,000 deaths means this is easily the most deadly disease all living americans have ever faced, it's extremely serious and so few Americans take it seriously that there are needless deaths. Americans are almost four times more likely to die of Covid than Canadians, and their deaths are counted *exactly the same* way
@007kingifrit The fact that you are racist means you're stupid and I shouldn't listen to your argument. Racists don't deserve to be heard, get out of here, you are not welcome.
Dude, my sister was borderline anorexic. She died of complications from Covid-19.
You are co-relating the wrong data. Here you are talking about obese people. But forgetting that the issue is one of the immune system. My sister was extremely immunocompromised because of a slew of other ailments.
Almost all diabetics have issues with weight or are obese. And every diabetic is immunocompromised. That's why some people who are not overweight die. Because if their immune system cannot combat the virus, they end up developing Covid. It doesn't matter if they lost weight after they became diabetic. The same goes for folks who have shingles, cancer, AIDs, etc. If they contract the virus, they have a high probability of getting very sick and/or dying.
It is just amazing to me to see so-called "conservatives" politicizing basic scientific fact and data. Nothing has changed since the onset of this pandemic. You were told on day one that most folks who are healthy would not develop symptoms. But folks who had issues with immunity did not have to die, if we all complied with just wearing a facemask.
Covid19 is objectively the worst pandemic in human history. Part of that is because we have more people and value to lose but the fact still stands, no other pandemic has caused as much combined damage as Covid19 has done.
What I am saying is that you dont know a dangerous pandemic if it so went up and slapped you in the face. Its alright though, since you idiots politicized a national health crisis you are the ones who mostly pay the price which will show itself next time you are expected to show up for an election and realize that there are a lot fewer of you around than last time. Good luck.
@WhiteBoyChill Yeah. Not even close. Sure the Spanish Flu and black death killed more people (although how much is yet to be seen as Covid19 is not done yet and might very well beat out the Spanish flu by the end of it making it the 2nd deadliest pandemic in human history) but the economic/material damage these pandemics did is quite frankly pathetic compared to Covid19.
The "worst pandemic in human history". I'm rolling my eyes at this (and rolling on the floor laughing). Ever hear of the Plague of Justinian? Look it up. THAT was the worst in human history! Spanish Influenza? The Black Death?
@Gal67 The Justinian plague happened mostly in Europe and in 541 AD, the economy was tiny and honestly it was not that many killed either. Percentage wise, yes but Covid19 has already significantly overlapped the range of casualties with the Justinian plague being somewhere between 15-100 million and Covid19 being somewhere between 5.4–22 million and again, these numbers are not final. I am still expecting two more years of covid19.
As for the Spanish flu? 15-100 million, similar ballpark as the Justinian plague and also overlaps the current covid19 numbers and again, economic damage not even in the same ballpark as what Covid19 has caused. Only the black death significantly kills more than covid19 has done with somewhere between 75–200 million. That is a lot indeed but consider that is over 7 years in an era without healthcare and Covid19 would probably have killed more people if they changed places for the simple reason that it is MUCH easier to spread. Either way, medieval economy has nothing on the economy now days and the black death was fairly localized as well.
Covid19 has a much bigger world impact both due to world travel and its much higher transmission rate. It is able to sabotage vastly larger economies and once again, its not over yet and it still measures up with everyone except the literal number 1 in death count.
"... not that many killed" You're clearly not taking into consideration here the fact that there were "not that many killed" in relation to other pandemics because the total population of both Europe and the world at the time was much, much lower. Proportionally, the Justinian Plague was far worse than anything we've had to endure since. It almost brought about the collapse of the East Roman/Byzantine Empire which, at the time, was the most developed and civilised culture on Earth. If the Byzantine Empire had collapsed in the early to mid 6th century, we would now still be living in savagery, because the Islamic hordes would have been unstoppable.
@Gal67 Cocoliztli epidemic had a higher local impact than the Justinian had reaching 27–80% of Mexican population compared to 25–60% of European population. Even the Black Death beat out the Justinian plague with 30-60%.
I am honestly not interested in what you think you know of history and the weight of historic events. The facts are on my side, which is why I could make this claim in the first place and honestly I probably have a better grasp of ancient history than you do anyways.
I just can’t understand why the death total matters so much to you.
People like you fail to realize that people who had covid at the time of their death are added to the total. Even though its often other causes that kill them
From the article linked by Avicenna: "... at least 75 million are believed to have perished throughout the pandemic, with some estimates as high as 200 million. As much as half of Europe may have died in a span of only four years." That is much, much worse than the Chinese coronaviurus. Regarding the Spanish flu, "... an estimated one-third of the world population afflicted, as many as 50 million people are believed to have died. Approximately 25 million of those deaths came in the first 25 weeks of the outbreak."
@Soteris Lol. Just because something was written 9 years ago doesn’t change what happened 100 years ago. Unless of course even MORE information is found out later
@WhiteBoyChill It is a way to objectively define how big of an impact it has made and is much more useful than looking at for example the lethality of it since even deceptively small percentages can have massive results depending on how they are applied. You can argue about many things but deaths are pretty final.
Also we can independently verify estimates of how many people have died from Covid19 using several completely separate methods. There is no major mistake in the numbers reported since all the different methods produces similar numbers.
@Gal67 "Much worse". But is it on the order of magnitudes worse? No. Is the level of economic damages caused by covid19 on the level of magnitudes worse? Hell yes. The black death killed SOME more, around 4 times by current estimates compared to Covid19 today (future numbers to be decided) but just last year alone covid19 erased around 3 trillion dollars worth of GDP around the world which utterly dwarfs the entire word economy back in the middle ages several times over. Note, I am not talking about the economic damage of the black death but the entire word economy. They are not even in the same ball park.
What I THINK I know of history? Wow. The arrogance! You only seem to care about absolute numbers, and little else. You're comparing the coronavirus death rate with that of other plagues throughout history, but leaving out everything else (like the societal impact).
@WhiteBoyChill Why should I read an article written in 2013 regarding pandemics when I can read articles today that has up to date information and relevance to covid19?
"The facts are on my side, which is why I could make this claim in the first place and honestly I probably have a better grasp of ancient history than you do anyways". Wow. Unbelievable. The facts are NOT on your side, and I can tell you now that I know a great deal more than you ever will know about history.
@Gal67 Yet wrongfully assumed the Justinian Plague had the higher local impact because of your romanticized (and incorrect) view of world history. Keep glorifying the Roman empire if you want but I will stick to my more objective assessment of them.
Ah shush yourself! I know more about this than you ever will. Instead of insulting us here, why don't you actually address the flaws in your (rather pathetic) argument? Can't do that? Right, then it's time for insults then. So typical of people who can't admit to being wrong.
@Gal67 Yeah sure, as if I am supposed to take you seriously but sure. Let me reiterate my argument for you here. While there are pandemics that have killed more than covid19, most notably the Black Death (everyone else overlap). The difference is only a few times more than covid19.
If you compare that to the economic damage, it is not a question of just a few more times. Covid19 has caused economic damages that is probably in the ballpark of 10 000 times that of the black death. Even if you consider deaths more important, the difference in economic damages is just OVERWHELMING.
@Avicenna He seems to think that the number of fatalities are all that really matter. That's the impression I get from him, but even if we play by his rules, the fact remains that the Black Death still killed more people than the current coronavirus thus far has. He's being stubborn, he's being disingenuous and, quite frankly, ridiculous.
@Gal67 "Only care about fatalities", no I specifically called out all damages, most notably economic damages since they are easy to calculate and considering the much larger economy today they utterly dwarf anything that could even conceivably be done in previous eras. It is literally impossible to come close to Covid19s economic damages unless you are speaking about recent history.
Okay, let's discuss the economic damages then, shall we? As I stated before, the Plague of Justinian came close to causing the collapse of the East Roman Empire (even the emperor had it, but survived), but it also led either directly or indirectly to the period in our history commonly known as the Dark Ages (historians don't use that term anymore though, but it remains in popular usage). A dramatic drop in revenue, due to an equally dramatic decrease in the population not only of the Byzantine/Roman Empire, but neighbouring states as well (remember, it wasn't confined to just that area of the Eastern Mediterranean). This reduction in revenue collected by the state in turn impacted upon the ability of the state to pay for things like soldier's salaries, which of course led in turn to more frequent assaults upon the empire, and a change in the migratory patterns of nomadic tribes that seemingly came out of nowhere to harass that empire. Do you see where I'm going with this? Has ANYTHING comparable happened recently because of the current coronavirus epidemic? Is the U. S., or any other nation, on the brink of complete collapse because of it? You need to examine the context, you need to see what else was going on at the time, and at the time of the 6th century much of the world was in chaos. And yes, I know that it didn't affect the Western Hemisphere cultures, but it's rather strange that the civilisation of Teotihuacan is believed to have collapsed during the 6th century as well.
@Gal67 Ahahaha! Covid19 erased around 3 trillion dollars last year alone. Go back and check the GDP of the Roman Empire (you can combine them if you want) and tell me how many times Covid19 can erase the entire country from the face of this earth.
Idiotic argument (even if your $3 trillion figure is correct, and it probably isn't) because of inflation. You'd better use Purchasing Power Parity figures if you want to make that argument.
@Soteris: This fool thinks a virus that has a high 90's% percentage rate of survival which is basically a common cold or mild flu is the worst plague in human history.
A serious plague will literally wipe you out with very little to none chance of you recoving from it. 99.9% you die, not 99.75% survival rate you dummy.
GDP is a better measurement since it is concerned with national production and its fairly simple to account for inflation. Some napkin calculations tells me the Roman Empire had a GDP in around the tens of billions so Covid19 can eliminate around 100 Roman Empires in a single year. Completely wiped out. How many Roman Empires did the Justinian Plague wide out again?
Notice how the casualty estimates between Covid19 and literally every pandemic below number 1 overlaps. They are literally in similar territory, only the Black Death has a significantly higher death toll and that is only by a few times.
But the thing is, the Black death was in medieval times. You know what the medieval times did not have? A GDP equivalent to ours. It is orders of magnitude lower so having a 6% GDP loss today as opposed to back then is literally a difference of 10's if not 100's of thousand times the value.
So on one hand we have the death toll where the black death have a solid lead and on the other hand we have covid19 where its economic damage is so incredibly vastly bigger that comparing the two feels pointless. Stop me if I am wrong but it feels like the difference in death toll is a lot closer than the economic damage no? In other words the economic damage more than makes up for the fact that the black death killed more people (so far, Covid19 is by no means over).
As for schools not closing, pretty sure public schools were not a thing in the first place.
@007kingifrit Sure, and the pandemic did not kill anyone I bet. It was the fault of the victims for being weak in the first place. Your argument makes perfect sense.
@Exterminatore Ah yes, the death toll. What exactly did I say in my original comment? "no other pandemic has caused as much combined damage as Covid19 has done." Its almost like I had seen that list before and was aware that Covid19 had a lower death toll than some of the others so I included another category in which Covid19 is indisputably number 1 in to qualify it as "The worst".
I see your grasp of basic concepts in economic is lacking as well. Three "trillion" dollars in today's terms was equivalent to what back in the 6th century? Money is a symbol of wealth, it isn't wealth itself. I suppose you're one of those on the far left (like AOC) whose solution to poverty would be to just print more money!
Soteris, just quit while you're behind. All you are doing here is just demonstrating how utterly ignorant you are. I actually feel sorry for you, truly I do.
@Gal67 The GDP I used is inflation adjusted. GDP is not "money", it is national production. Dont worry though, ill wait here for you to catch up once you grasp basic economics.
I know what GDP is. You were the one who came up with the silly "3 trillion dollars" cost of the coronavirus, and I was just pointing out how absurd that comparison is.
Soteris, you are the one who has to "catch up" with me. It's not the other way around. I know more about both history and economics than you ever will, and I really resent the way you constantly and deliberately misrepresent (or at least try to misrepresent, because you don't even do a good job of that really) the points I make here. YOU were the one who first said that the cost thus far has been "three trillion dollars". You did not mention GDP, and neither did I. You keep trying to change the goal-posts of this discussion, but it won't do you any good, because you just don't have a case here.
@007kingifrit You did not say anything, you just threw out a baseless claim that I can disregard just as easily since you neither backed it up nor justified it in any way. Also its fucking retarded and I used the same logic against you because it was funny.
@007kingifrit Which means absolutely nothing since its just a baseless claim without anything to back it up. Saying it again does not make it any more persuasive of an argument nor does it require me to put in any more effort to tell you to stuff it where the sun dont shine and come up with a better one.
In one of your earlier comments here you wrote that, "The black death killed SOME more, around 4 times by current estimates compared to Covid19 today" Some more, you say, even though in the same sentence you admit that four times the number were killed during the Black Death. Do you understand the meaning of the word "some"?
According to this source: worldhistory. org/article/782/justinians-plague-541-542-ce/ "The plague episode contributed to a weakening of the Byzantine Empire in political and economic ways. As the disease spread throughout the Mediterranean world, the empire's ability to resist its enemies weakened. By 568 CE, the Lombards successfully invaded northern Italy and defeated the small Byzantine garrison, leading to the fracturing of the Italian peninsula, which remained divided and split until re-unification in the 19th century CE. In the Roman provinces of North Africa and the Near East, the empire was unable to stem the encroachment of Arabs. The decreased size, and the inability of the Byzantine army to resist outside forces, was largely due to its inability to recruit and train new volunteers due to the spread of illness and death. The decrease in the population not only impacted the military and the empire's defenses, but the economic and administrative structures of the empire began to collapse or disappear." It confirms what I said before, and which you didn't address.
@Gal67 "Some" is relative as compared to the the literal orders of magnitude difference in economic damage. When you are comparing something that is literally 10 000+ times greater to something that is 4x or 10x or even 100 times greater it just loses meaning since it can't compete.
@007kingifrit *sigh* You dont understand how this works do you? First of all, when I say "You did not say anything" I did not mean it literally, I meant it substantive. What you said have no logical weight.
All you said was " The pandemic didn't do any economic damage... you silly liberals did". In it you are making two claims, one that the pandemic did not do any economic damages and the other that the "silly liberals" did economic damage. You did not present any evidence to support anything you just said so they are effectively worthless hence it is literally the same as if you said nothing in the first place.
Then you came out with the whole "2 years" nonsense which again says nothing. 2 years of what? You want me to look through the last 2 years and build your argument for you? Fuck no, that is your job. I dont have to do shit.
So at the end of it all you have not said anything that I can't simply dismiss with my own claim that you are an idiot and pulled your empty claims out of your ass.
@Gal67 I fail to see your point. I have pointed out that covid19 in one year has done more economic damage than the total economy of Byzantine Empire or the Roman Empire or any other examples you want to use from the time. Trying to build your argument around these nations are a waste of time.
@007kingifrit Ahaha! "Powerful statement!" What an idiot.
Alright then. Lets go back and play the game. You said:" The pandemic didn't do any economic damage... you silly liberals did" My response: "I dont believe you." Check and mate.
Soteris, measuring even today's GDP is to a significant extent guesswork, much less any GDP from over a millennium ago, but only a truly dishonest con man would ignore inflation, the difference in the population and resources of the Roman Empire and the fact that money wasn't based on thin air back then like it was today. And let's not forget that inflation deflators are needed for GDP calculations, especially comparing GDP from different eras, and your dumb ass ignores all that.
Even a simple concept like GDP per capita is lost on you.
But none of us should be surprised because the COVID hysteria is all about achieving political ends, and we all know that for leftists, the ends justify any means.
@007kingifrit; Exactly- his own country didn't do a lockdown, and it was precisely those lockdowns that made the overwhelming majority of any economic damage self-inflicted and therefore not comparable.
@Avicenna I do not ignore inflation, it is calculated and accounted for as I have said countless times by now. I also did not ignore resources or population, in fact I rely on it because my whole argument is based on us having significantly more and they having significantly less. As for money, it is not relevant to our conversation nor is the question if its backed by gold or not which you evidently know nothing about anyways.
@007kingifrit You came to me and my claim, if you can consider it as such. You did not press me to justify my claim but instead challenged it by making your own claim. You have the burden of proof in this case since you are not arguing about the evidence behind my claim but the evidence behind yours. Either way the sum total of your supporting evidence is zero which means even if I had the burden of proof, which I do not, I would only have to match you and provide zero evidence in return.
Soteris, your stupidity is exceeded by your arrogance. You know nothing about anything, much less economics. Deliberately causing economic damage in the 2020s with lockdowns and CCP spreading of a virus isn't in any way comparable to what earlier pandemics caused.
Soteris, you're too stupid and arrogant (a typical malady among European leftists) to know the difference between your idiotic opinion and actual facts. But please keep embarrassing yourself.
And one other thing- economists place a value on the economic damage of lives lost, and, surprise, surprise, pandemics that actually kill a lot of people are more costly.
@Avicenna Says the one who misses every fact I include because he can't fucking read. Also "more costly" is not "Literal fucking orders of magnitudes more costly".
@WhiteBoyChill Hahaha! Once again you completely miss my point. Republicans hate higher education. They think it is a liberal institution that corrupts people into becoming democrats or something equally stupid.
Soteris, it's time for you to get off your mother's couch and actually get a job. And as long as you keep the conspiracy theories of caricatures going through your miserable leftist brain, you will continue to make a fool of yourself. It's hard to believe you're descended from the Vikings.
You're awfully protective of your CCP bosses. They allowed it to spread by allowing international flights to and from Wuhan after they knew the virus was out. That's a fact, whether you want to admit it or not. And since, thanks to CCP instrangience, no one has been able to investigate the origins of COVID, no one in their right mind can rule out a lab leak.
Soteris is the poster child for leftist European arrogance and stupidity- the proverbial useful idiot for Communists
Well, given that even the head of the WHO has said a lab leak is possible, by calling it a conspiracy theory, you've shown that you're a CCP sycophant and a fool. And your CCP bosses still won't come clean and allow a proper investigation. Don't you support an investigation into the origin of what you say is by far the worst pandemic in world history? Or do you already claim to know exactly how COVID originated and spread?
@Avicenna Ahahaha! You are so stupid. First of all, this is CHINA we are talking about. There is no way in a million years they would just bend over backwards and allow other countries to snoop around inside their country regardless if they did something wrong or not. It is a question of the principle of the whole thing, they will prevent you because they would see it as an infringement of their sovereignty and authority.
As for Covid itself? It is a natural disease. It could theoretically have escaped from a lab but that is both less likely than coming from a natural source and more importantly, completely irrelevant as it does not change anything. Covid even if escaping from a lab is still a natural strain without artificial enhancements and China obviously did not intentionally start a pandemic which has brought them to the brink of ruin.
China literally has no motive to do it, there is no evidence that they have and all evidence points towards a natural origin. Why are you so desperate for it to be China?
@WhiteBoyChill Me afraid? No, I dont care if I get covid or not. I dont even particularly care if I DIE from it to be honest, I had a good run and have enjoyed myself plenty every step of the way. But still I follow every precaution ranging from mask wearing to vaccination and social distancing. Why? Because I have integrity and care about society and I also realize that even if I dont suffer personally it is still going to impact me indirectly such as killing people around me or even tank the world economy.
What a stupid thing to ask though. "Herpi-Derp are you afraid of a little water? Its only a FUCKING TSUNAMI heading our way, why are you letting it control your life and not going to work at the harbor like every other day?"
CCP Soteris, how pathetic can you possibly get? Now you’re an apologist for one of history‘s worst Regimes. And you’re afraid to have the origin of COVID investigated. Abd your excuses for the CCP are beyond BS. China, furthermore, has come out of it quite well, in contrast to your false claim about it being on the brink of ruin.
Of all the propagandists I’ve seen, Soteris, you’re the most full of shit.
@Avicenna *sigh* What practical usefulness does knowing the origin of Covid19 have when trying to end it? Its not like we have a time machine so we can go back in time to that moment and prevent it. Its origins are interesting for historians, not particularly interesting for us living through it.
So that’s what leftists call facts and common sense these days. Fact is, you’re an idiot who parrots the most propagandized leftist nonsense rather than questioning it in the least. And everyone but you recognizes this.
@Avicenna Yeah, good facts you have. "If China did not do it they would allow hostile countries to snoop around in their back yard"
You and me probably know different Chinas because the China I know would never allow something like that. In fact, if you did not outright believe anything they told you even if they lied they would call you out and accuse you of calling them a liar.
I hated the whole thing from the start. I was scared at the beginning and then after the 'curve was flattened' in NZ I was over it and went to live communally in a hostel in Wellington. Really wasn't scared of the virus at all.
Now it is obviously a political project designed to get these awful passports that they are trying to make required for all activities. I refuse to participate in this shit. I wish more people in more countries would stand up to the bullshit.
You live in a country that's had 14,467 cases. That's less than 10% of the new cases the UK had yesterday. There's nothing to be afraid of there, because it's been managed well.
Not a chance. The true believers, those who have a tendency to become hysterical over each and every little potential threat to their well-being, are not the kind of people who are ever sane, balanced or in any other way rational. They are incapable of exercising good judgement, impartiality or common sense (which isn't as common as it used to be). I've given up on them. However, it needs to be pointed out that those on the opposite side (i. e. the "conservatives") can be just as irrational at times. There are at least two sides to every story, and the blame for this utterly shambolic mess cannot be laid exclusively at their feet. We're going through very dark times at the moment. Those of us who are still relatively sane need to focus on trying to make it through to the other side. As Winston Churchill once put it: "If you're going through hell, just keep going!" That's what we have to do. It's that simple really.
How do you think requesting 30,000,000+ people to just roll over and die for your mere convienance be seen when you find yourself at the purely gates of heaven?
It's one thing doing the best you can in a natural disaster even though you have zero idea what to do, and it's another telling people to die faster so i don't have to wear a mask.
No, they have gone to far and for them there is no turning back. They took way too many bio-weapon shots into their arms and their pride will not allow them to admit that they basically killed themselves for Dr. Fauci and Bill Gates.
@goaded I never said vaccines were useless. I said they’re good at keeping at risk people from going to the hospital. They’re gene therapy. They’re not vaccines.
Yeah, they also reduce your chances of getting the disease in the first place. Still. Not the 95% they managed with the original variant (they never promised 100%, you'll note), but it's not nothing.
"A two-dose series with the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine provided just under 40% protection against symptomatic infection with the Omicron variant about 25 weeks after the second dose compared with around 60% protection against Delta, a technical briefing released by the U. K. Health Security Agency found." www.pbs.org/.../how-effective-are-covid-19-vaccines-against-omicron
Oh, and CRT is another example of Mass Formation Psychosis in the right wing, to go along with election fraud. Trump's the one who says only he can save you; Biden says we should work together to get through the pandemic.
@goaded under 40% makes them useless to stop the spread of the disease. And makes it absolutely unconscionable to segregate society among the shot takers and not.
And you really can't get away from this idea that the disease has to be stopped, rather than slowed enough to be managable and not kill too many people. Why isn't your little video labelled as being a Joe Rogan production? It's a textbook example of accusing your opponents of doing what you're doing. Trump literally said "I alone can fix it":
Thanks. The point, of course, being that virtual elimination of a disease doesn't happen overnight, but vaccines are essential to it and that even vaccines that don't "work" 100% still work. Oh, and that anti-vaxers cause outbreaks and deaths for no good reason.
You still aren't interested in discussing how CRT and election fraud are much more obvious examples of "Mass Formation Psychosis" than the global pandemic, or that Trump is the one clearly taking advantage of it and you, being literally the one who said "I alone can fix it".
@goaded Yes, I'm not interested in your doublespeak. You were told spring of 2020 that these shots were 95% effective at preventing the spread of covid-19. Not 12 months later you even admit the over-inflated 40%.
@goaded lmao, sure they are. there's no limit to the amount of bullshit they can shovel into your mouth. That's why the vaccinated are the leaders of omicron infections in Germany.
By the way, regarding the 2019 measles outbreak: "The outbreak prompted President Donald Trump to shift away from his previous skepticism regarding vaccination, and to insist that parents must vaccinate their children.[16] The Trump Administration also took a forceful position of requiring vaccination, with Trump's Surgeon General Jerome Adams calling for limitations on exemptions to vaccination.[17]"
@goaded except nothing you said was a fact. The shots haven't been reformulated. So if they're not effective against omicron, getting more of them won't make them moreso. I just hope you wake up before they trigger ADE.
Still not interested in discussing your bullshit video, are you? Or the fact that Trump insisted "that parents must vaccinate their children" (in 2019, for measles).
I never suggested they'd been reformulated. What has been shown is that a booster shot increases the body's ability to fight off the virus. But those are just scientific findings, not right-wing bullshit.
Everybody's getting Omicron, but fewer vaccinated people. How about we discuss how you're a victim of Mass Formation Psychosis now. Your posting of the video was obviously a cry for help. Or we could talk about Trump insisting people should get vaccinated, and how that was so much different from when Biden does it.
@goaded yeah, I'm not playing your stupid doublespeak. You can keep your orwell bullshit to yourself. I love the "yeah the shots aren't working, that's why they're working"... idiot...
It's not doublespeak, it's called honesty. You could try it by, for example, admitting that nobody ever said any vaccine was 100% effective, and that even 40% (without the booster) is much better than nothing. Or you could honestly explain the difference between Biden insisting on vaccinations in 2021 and Trump insisting on vaccinations in 2019. Then we can try and help you with your case of Mass Formation Psychosis regarding CRT, election fraud, masks, and vaccines.
@goaded NoBoDY sAId ThE vAcCinE wAs 100%? Well, no fucking shit. But they said emphatically that it was 95% effective and would prevent you from getting covid. These clot shots are hovering lower than the flu vaccine effacacy
No, that was the truth at the time. Same as all the other information that's come out over the last year. Your problem (probably due to your Mass Formation Psychosis along with the other deniers) is that you expect nothing to change. How was Trump insisting on measles vaccinations in 2019 different from Biden insisting on covid vaccinations in 2021?
"... one of the aspects of that phenomena is the people that they identify as their leaders the ones typically that come in and say you have this pain and I can solve it for you i and i alone okay can fix this problem for you okay then they will lead they will follow that person through it doesn't matter whether they lie to them or whatever the data are irrelevant and furthermore anybody who questions that narrative is to be immediately attacked they are the other this is central to mass formation psychosis and this is what has happened"
Trump: "I alone can fix it".
Biden: "we have the tools to combat the virus, if we can come together as a country and use those tools."
Of course it wasn't. But you've got to attack despite all the evidence, due to your Mass Formation Psychosis regarding the pandemic. It's not too late to get help.
Total lack of self-awareness. I'll check to see if that's also a symptom of your Mass Formation Psychosis. That, and your inability to answer simple questions, like "what's the difference between Trump insisting on vaccinations in 2019 and Biden insisting on vaccinations in 2021?".
Isn't SCOTUS hearing arguments about the constitutionality of the mandate today? Do you know something they don't?
I think "the difference between Biden saying he will get the virus under control, and then saying he has no federal solution" was his dashed expectation that even Republican governors and politicians would think saving lives was the right thing to do, and go along with him.
Florida's new report comes out in a few hours, if they don't delay it to fiddle the numbers a bit more (now DeSantis is back from probably having covid).
The week to 23 Dec. had 125,000 new cases, for a total of 3,864,213 and "28" new deaths for a total of 62,342. The week to 30 Dec. had 298,455 new cases, for a total of 4,166,392, and "32" new deaths for a total of 62,504 (which, unsurprisingly, is 162 more than the previous week).
@goaded I don't care. Case #'s using faulty tests that can't differentiate between the cold the flu and covid are irrelevant Absolutely irrelevant. The obsession with testing and case #'s is another symptom in your psychosis.
Yeah, are they also incapable of counting dead bodies?
Huge numbers of cases with few hospitalisations 10 days later and even fewer deaths would be good news. But DeSantis is just going to keep gambling with people's lives.
@goaded lol, the point stands. Your whining about florida is just that. If it was that dangerous these blue state people wouldn’t flock there. I’m sure I’ll hear a lot of ny accents when I’’m there next weekend.
Show me where she broke the rules of New York, let alone Florida, and you might have a point. The danger (deaths vs. cases) has reduced by a factor of at least 8, probably more, since a year ago. She's young, fit, and fully vaccinated. How much danger would she be in?
How's DeSantis doing? He had a nasty sounding breathing problem the other day. I'm sure it has nothing to do with his 2 week disappearance from public view.
Oh, right, I forgot this conversation was about mass formation psychosis, and how it describes Republican fears about CRT, election fraud lies (election fraud numbers went up again recently in Florida, with yet another Villages resident convicted of voting twice for Trump), masks, and vaccines.
"... one of the aspects of that phenomena is the people that they identify as their leaders the ones typically that come in and say you have this pain and I can solve it for you i and i alone okay can fix this problem for you okay then they will lead they will follow that person through it doesn't matter whether they lie to them or whatever the data are irrelevant and furthermore anybody who questions that narrative is to be immediately attacked they are the other this is central to mass formation psychosis and this is what has happened"
Trump: "I alone can fix it".
Biden: "we have the tools to combat the virus, if we can come together as a country and use those tools."
It's your Joe Rogan (taking on the mantle of Rush Limbaugh) video which says: "... one of the aspects of that phenomena is the people that they identify as their leaders the ones typically that come in and say you have this pain and I can solve it for you i and i alone okay can fix this problem for you okay then they will lead they will follow that person through it doesn't matter whether they lie to them or whatever the data are irrelevant and furthermore anybody who questions that narrative is to be immediately attacked they are the other this is central to mass formation psychosis and this is what has happened"
Sufferers have even gone to the extreme of saying Trump is wrong when he says vaccines work, because of all the other players lying to them about it.
@goaded lol, joe Rogan taking the mantle of Rush…that’s hilarious. Since you’re now an expert on Rogan…did you know his doctor prescribed him ivermectin, but you morons called it horse paste?
@goaded I know how much he got from Spotify. Because he got tired of YouTube’s bullshit censorship. Another one of your favorite things. Big tech censorship.
Not at all, but he's clearly in the business of keeping a large audience engaged over telling the truth. Spotify has removed dozens of his podcasts from their platform, by the way.
@goaded See, you’re a fucking liar. I’ve said time and time again the shots seem to do a good job of keeping people out of the hospital when they get covid. So if you’re high risk, get them.
For healthy people, and people who have had covid there’s zero reason to do so.
Both of those statements are truthful and backed by science.
See, you’re a fucking liar: "Both of those statements are truthful and backed by science."
(You have said they keep people out of hospital.)
If you were right, there wouldn't be vaccination programs. Being vaccinated reduces your chances of getting infected, it shortens the time period you're infectious for if you do get infected, so vaccinated people are less likely to pass on the virus. Masks also reduce the amount of virus that gets into other people's lungs.
All of those statements really are truthful and backed by science.
@goaded It was on Reddit - I’m not saving every single piece of information I read for your whims. You’re telling me. You aren’t seeing an omicron surge in a country that’s highly vaccinated?
So you believe everything you read online except for official sites? Not surprising.
Tell you what, why don't you prove it by making a table of German states and both their rates of new cases, and vaccinations. While you're at it, see what the correlation between right-wing areas and those rates are.
I'm supposed to believe something because you read it on reddit? Try again. You can't even name which areas are supposedly affected. You might believe some rando on the internet, but I don't. (fwiw, with four times the population, Germany still has fewer new cases than Florida, whose governor wants people to stop testing themselves.)
With a quarter the population, Florida's killed half as many people as Germany. A lot of them since everyone had a chance to be vaccinated. Did you find the names of the German areas you oh-so confidently claimed are highly vaccinated” but are "seeing gigantic surges", based on nothing but a reddit posting, yet?
I can't look it up, because it's just something you saw someone post on reddit, you swallowed it, and decided to post it over here as Absolute Truth, actual truth be damned. Like I said, you do "easier", I do truth.
You're making the bullshit claim that some poster on reddit is correct, it's up to you to prove it. Sad that you'll accept some anonymous poster's word over actual evidence.
I should work to find some bullshit you're peddling as absolute truth because you read it on reddit? Why? You've been wrong about everything else, apparently because you believe people on reddit.
Dispute what, dumbass? You can't even name the areas of Germany that are supposedly "highly vaccinated” but "seeing gigantic surges". It's just some bullshit you read on reddit.
The highest numbers of cases are in the lowest vaccinated and most right-wing areas of Germany.
Prove something you read on reddit and can't even articulate wrong? Why? You're making the stupid claim, you prove it. You can just go to rki. de and en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_German_federal_election and look at the bright pink areas of infections and the light blue right-wing areas and see how they match up.
Literally just posted two webpages where you could go and look, which is infinitely more than your "I read it on reddit". Please, give me another one-line lie.
@goaded you made the statement that the shots were effective against "alpha" at 95% but not the variants. You prove the efficacy is dependent on the variant.
Of course it is, but it's largely made up for by boosters. The shots don't just insert something into your body that will attack the virus, they teach your body how to do it, and three "lessons" work better than two. Almost everything you say is wrong. You must know that, surely? At this point it must take effort to be so consistently wrong.
What new "truth" will you get from reddit next, I wonder.
Anything's better than "I saw it on Reddit". Can you name those areas of Germany that are supposedly "highly vaccinated” but "seeing gigantic surges", yet? I'm sure you can find the claim again if you try.
I wondered why I suddenly had a dozen people gleefully responding to me.
At least she's fully vaccinated. :( I'm sure you'll all take this as a warning that it's better to wear masks and socially distance. What? That's not the lesson you're taking from this? Amazing. Of course DeSantis is perfectly healthy.
So, back to your lie about Germany... Or that Mass Formation Psychosis is an obvious match for your fixation on AOC or CRT when thousands are dying every day for lack of vaccinations...
You really don't have the faintest idea of statistics, do you? Or common sense. Crossing a road without looking both ways and getting to the other side does not make it safe all the time. Where's that reddit post that "proves" that the situation in Germany is worst in the highly vaccinated areas you were lying about earlier?
You don't actually reason, do you? You just make stupid statements that might look a bit like real reasoning in the right light. Show me the chain of logic that led you to that erroneous conclusion. Then name the German states that are supposedly "highly vaccinated” but "seeing gigantic surges", like you read on reddit.
Of course we want immunity, but without killing people. If you get vaccinated and then catch the virus, you're 15 time less likely to die than the other way around. How stupid do you have to be to decide that the best way to avoid a disease is to catch it?
No, I didn't. Nothing gives total immunity, vaccines give good immunity, just not as good as both. And vaccine first is 15x less likely to kill you. Bullshit on the Pfizer comment; are you conflating "not perfect" and "useless" as usual?
Christ on a cross, man, when are you going to stop lying about what I said written down minutes ago? Anyone can read it and see I said no such thing.
Your substack link is no better than reddit (sponsored by a Bitcoin company, surprise) and it doesn't say what you said, either. It also pretends a true statement from April 2021 is a lie bacause today's virus isn't the same. There's nothing you won't wilfully misinterpret, is there?
You're an unmitigated liar. You said: "the CEO of pfizer just stated that the shots are useless against omnicron.", he actually says: "the three doses, with a booster, offers reasonable protection against hospitalisation and deaths" and goes on to say there will be an omicron-specific vaccine available in March.
That's not what you claimed. Not true, either. "Less protection against infection" doesn't mean "no protection against infection". video.twimg.com/.../scCYvNUplxW0n3T8.mp4
Do I seem angry? My apologies. I only mean to point out all your many obvious lies and the fact that you'll repeat obvious bullshit from reddit or wherever you find it and ignore the truth that's handed to you. I'm amazed you haven't had the brakes removed from your car, since they don't stop every accident.
@goaded And if the automotive company sold you those airbags promising they'd stop your car, now say they won't... would you think you were lied to? Would you be the least bit upset at the car company?
How could an airbag ever stop a car? Tires might be marketed on the basis of better stopping distance in the wet, I still wouldn't expect the same performance on black ice.
Back in the spring it was still the Alpha variant, and the vaccines worked better, like tires on dry surfaces. Delta poured water on the road, Omicron froze it. The CONDITIONS CHANGED, idiot. (And they still help a damn sight more than no vaccinations or bald tires.) Do you work for Veritas? They lie as often and as well as you do.
Delta appeared well before most people had been fully vaccinated, and there were a bunch of idiots who believe nonsense and didn't get vaccinated. Now two of the three monoclonal antibody treatments are really completely useless against omicron (while the vaccines+booster still help a lot), are you upset that they were sold as a cure for Covid?
Are you upset that the 2 of the 3 monoclonal antibody treatments are now completely useless against omicron? They were a really great treatment that meant that people didn't have to get vaccinated, right? Now they're not any treatment at all, and the vaccines still keep people from getting sick and dying.
How would I know about some documents I've not seen anything about, and what have they got to do with the subject at hand? Go ask another question.
@goaded Do we mandate monoclonal antibodies? Do we tell people who don't have monoclonal antibody treatment that they can't enter restaurants? These are two simple yes or no questions. Let's see if you can be intellectually honest.
No, and no. So you're going to completely ignore that facts that the vaccines still help, especially with a booster, whereas two of the three monoclonal treatments don't work at all any more. Where's your outrage that they were sold as treatments when they came out? Don't you feel lied to? According to your vaccine "logic", you should.
@goaded Dipshit, please try to keep up. I’ve never denied they are reasonably good at keeping at risk people out of the hospital.
What they are not good at is preventing the spread, therefore it is unconscionable to mandate them and segregate society based on the premise that they are.
And no, it’s not the same as monoclonal antibodies because the antibodies were never sold as a way to stop the spread.
No matter how you try to spin and twist the facts, they’re the facts.
Everybody is "at risk people", and hospitals are full of unvaccinated people with covid, which makes all sorts of things more dangerous for everybody who needs a hospital bed, for covid or anything else.
Who cares? There are 19 million active cases in the US at the moment, it doesn't take a large proportion of them to fill up the hospitals. It takes many times as many cases among vaccinated people to fill up the same number of beds as unvaccinated people.
@goaded i care. Because I expect you to be honest. And hospitals have done nothing to increase capacity over 2 years? Where’s the naval hospital ships that Trump put into service?
And we have no other treatments? You mean it’s almost like the vaccines are the only thing you’re focused on to keep people out of the hospital/dead? Weird.
What are you talking about, you absolute moron? Do you think there are twice as many doctors and nurses to man hospital beds than two years ago? There are treatments, but they're mostly used once someone's already in hospital (and two of the three monoclonal antibody treatments are no longer effective at all). Can you imagine the carnage in Florida over the last 18 months if treatment of covid patients hadn't improved significantly since the early days? Why wouldn't you want to use an effective method of reducing the number of people admitted to hospital by a factor of 17?
@goaded oh, so now you’re concerned about the number of doctors? Maybe shouldn’t have fired nurses for refusing the shots. Vitamin D, Vitamin C, Zinc have all shown to be helpful to keeping people out of the hospital, along with ivermectin, hydroxycholriquine, and others.
How many, out of the millions of medical professionals actually got fired for not getting vaccinated? I don't think any of those things you mention have been shown to be better than nothing, and they sure as hell don't keep 16 out of every 17 people who take them out of hospital like vaccines with a booster do.
I'll let you know if you post a fact by accident. Go on, then, show me that report that says "70% of the people hospitalized for covid 19 had a vitamin D deficiency.". What's the proportion in the general population with a vitamin D deficiency?
You missed out the question I asked which was the prevalence in the general population (47%, compared to 80% in hospital). there are papers that suggest that vitamin D supplements can help. A bit. (Both your links are to the same paper, by the way.)
According to one, increased levels of vitamin D can reduce your chance of hospitalisation from 0.25% to 0.20%. It's significant, but vaccines reduce your chance of hospital admission by 1700%. No contest. file:///tmp/mozilla_simon0/11606_2021_7170_Fig2_HTML-1. jpg
@goaded Again, if you’re not in the throes of mass formation psychosis, you wouldn’t be fighting so hard to disparage every other sort of prevention. Obesity is another huge factor in hospitalization. But lockdowns kept people inside and scared rather than outside and exercising.
DARPA’s document, if true, says they knew Ivermetin, Hydroxycloriquine, and interferon all worked as well.
Then why don't you link to that document? If the other preventions worked 1/10th as well as the vaccines, we'd have heard of them from doctors. They don't (a drop of likelihood of hospitalisation after infection from 0.25% to 0.2% is nice, but nothing like a drop from 0.25% to 0.015%). There's no reasonable expectation that overweight people will suddenly be able to lose 20 kilos in a matter of weeks and stay healthy.
You're obsessed with the idea that the government, no, all governments around the world are lying to us all about masks and vaccines. That's nuts.
My government has had half as many deaths per capita as the US. If you want to look for fascists this century, you don't have to look past your borders.
Non-overweight 46 year olds? You said "only killing off extremely obese people, people who are extremely old and those who already suffer from lung and breathing problems", this is a counter example. Just a recent one that cropped up.
OK, so we've moved from none to "hardly any". That's progress. They're the most likely to die of practically anything, so they're probably the vast majority, true. But since it's put at least one Olympic gold medal winner in the hospital, it seems unlikely to be quite as black and white as you claim. There's also the two little matters of just being sick for weeks or months, even if you don't die from it, and they're still people.
Will conservatives ever realize that we know pandemics don't kill most people who are infected. Seriously all it takes is to open a book. They still kill a lot though because they infect almost everyone
In your dreams. If they are scared of getting sick and catching the virus they can go to whatever measure they feel it's necessary for them. Its not my personal responsibility.
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