How many of the supposed 800,000 COVID deaths are actual COVID deaths?

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Goforit1010 · Accepted Answer

How many deaths are COVID alone? Roughly about 75,000. That means no falling off the roof, car accidents, motorcycle accidents, stabbings, shootings, heart disease, lung cancer, pancreatic cancer, liver disease, kidney failure, etc... just COVID alone and no other health issues.

Why are the reported numbers so high? Because our idiot US Congress financially incentivized the hospitals, nursing homes, and other health care facilities, to report ANYONE who had COVID and died, as a COVID death.

They get a financial stipend from the Gov't for that death. I believe that number is $39,000/ COVID death. Oh yeah... it also incentivizes those health care facilities to treat your COVID illness with as little care as possible, again, so they "hope" you die for the Gov't $$ they get from that death.

Many hospitals are NOT working in YOUR best interest IF you're hospitalized with COVID. Their protocols purposely work against you, if they're dealing with you for COVID - due to that financial gain they realize for how they medically treat you.

The REAL numbers will be to find out how many people are in the hospital WITH COVID or are in the hospital BECAUSE of COVID.

ShadezMcgee · Accepted Answer

I feel that the number is inflated. I have friends that work as paramedics and a couple are nurses. From what I gathered they said that there were instances that people were labeled as COVID deaths because the hospital got more funding for each case.

Died of heart attack? Umm.. check for COVID. He had it? Well, shit, he died of COVID, Johnson!

Not saying this is the case for every person because I do believe a fair amount died from it, but I do also believe the number was fudged because of money and funding purposes around Big Pharma.

Screenwriter · Accepted Answer

I don't think the Covid death counters are counting in a slapdash manner.

Of course, there will be deaths with complications FROM Covid that will have multiple causes. Deaths from Covid will have Covid as the overriding cause.

If I get Covid and that digresses into pneumonia and because I have a weakened heart I end up having a heart attack, Covid is the reason I got pneumonia, got on the ventilator and my heart failed.

Covid also causes multiple organ failure. So I get Covid, end up in the hospital and my kidneys, liver and heart have meltdowns DUE to the illness. Covid is still the overarching cause of death. WIthout Covid, none of those organs would have failed.

Despite having diabetes and high blood pressure and congestive heart failure, Covid is the reason a certain person presented to the hospital, got on a ventilator and spiraled into an earlier than normal death despite other co-morbidities.

Doctors don't willy, nilly CREATE causes of death. They are professionals and have experience in determing ULTIMATE cause of death.

sage2021 · Accepted Answer

I think they put a diagnosis of COVID on patients that were sick with other maladies but they got more money if it was a COVID related death.

DARKCLOUD1945X · Answer

About half of that number might be a lot closer to the truth. This man died of covid19 at 90 mph he missed a turn and died instantly hitting a tree. Corner said he died if covid 19 as his body had antibodies in his blood a man passed due to a heart attack diagnosed died of covid 19 again he had antibodies. Now the real reason the body count is so high is, that the Government gave $15000 to the hospitals for each case admitted and if you were put on a ventilator the hospital received an extra $30,000 plus other goodies that take the money to just under $1000,000 per case so if you had the antibodies in your blood and you died you were checked off as a Covid19 death thousands of death certificates were changed from other types of death to covid19 caused , these records are in THE N. Y. C. Corners office. Now add killer Cuomo s 15,000 plus nursing home death and this practiced lie in 49 other stated and you wind up with the 900,000 death. Of course, we all know that THE DEMOCRATIC COMMUNIST PARTY OF AMERICA will say it is not true, but we know they lies they tell RUSSIA, RUSSIA, RUSSIA for 5 years before the truth came out,

goaded · Answer

Pretty much all of them, and some that weren't counted as covid were actually covid. Fortunately, I wrote a take on this back around September 2020. That was the time the deniers were simultaneously claiming that the numbers of deaths were exagerated 20x, and that the number of cases were actually 20x higher than reported, oblivious to the fact that if both were true (neither is), the death rate would have been exactly what was being reported! The state where that first quote came from updated their system before they'd reached a couple of hundred deaths, back in April or May 2020.

No, the number of COVID-19 deaths has not been exaggerated 20x!

"Total predicted number of excess deaths since 2/1/2020 across the United States: 987,456"
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

Coronavirus Cases:
74,176,403
Deaths:
898,680
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Browneye57 · Answer

Well, there's some interesting stats out aren't there?
Seems the majority of deaths had four or more co-morbidities. Overweight, diabetes, high blood pressure, cancer, heart disease, and on and on.
The average age? 82!
The number of people that died FROM covid, not WITH covid, pales in comparison.

They just keep lying and lying and lying, don't they?

I say just leave us the fuck along. Quit butting into peoples lives. Get the vax or not, I don't care. Wear a mask or not, I don't care. Just leave me out of it. LOL

Oigit · Answer

It has the same issues all political videos do. No sources listed. Someone claiming to have all the facts and answers, but can't provide the sources for their info. Also when you sight a friend as a source, they are just that, a source. That means you need to be able to verify everything you said about them. If you can't that is yet another massive load of Hearsay. Just like all hearsay it shouldn't be entertained at all. Kind of funny how both sides of this debate present hearsay as the truth and can't present any information from outside of their political circle. But people keep eating up all the info being given out by their side.

DWornock · Answer

Very few people died from the Covid virus unless they had other major health issues. Most of the deaths are people that died with the virus and not from the virus. For whatever reasons, the government wants the numbers to be high. Therefore, they bribe hospitals by paying them more money if they code death from the virus than for other deaths such as motorcycle accidents, leukemia, heart attacks, cancer, and old age. Also, almost all flu deaths are coded as Covid deaths. That is why officially, flu deaths are only a fraction of what they were prior to Covid.

Levin · Answer

Freedom of information request in the UK indicates 6000 died solely of covid in the UK, as oppose to the 150000 or so figure widely cited.

MuddyMole · Answer

Just looking at the crude excess mortality rate would be a good start.
How many people died per year from all causes, before the pandemic and during it?

It's not perfect - fewer people died from road traffic accidents, as more people were working from home; more people died from other illnesses, as their diagnoses/treatments were delayed; etc - but it's unlikely to be too far off.

The actual stats are:
2020 - 3.38M
2019 - 2.85M
2018 - 2.84M
2017 - 2.81M

So, during 2020 alone, that's roughly 500,000 more people in the US who died than normally would have been expected. I can't find the actual figures for 2021, but it seems to be fairly similar overall:

(the peak of the tallest spike is the first week of 2021, in case it's not clear)

DaveJord · Answer

You know what old people do, once they react the age of 70 plus years old?

They get sick with something thing and die. Thats what old people have always done since the dawn of human existence. If you're over 70, then your clock is nearing the end of the count down, because most American are dead before they react 80. So does it really matter if it was COVID or something else?

We shut down our entire country, for 300k dead people at the time... which is like less than two hundredth of a percent (.001%) of the total population. Then 12 months later we still lose another 300k plus, same amount that die before lock down. So you tell me WTF the "Scientists" ( Fauci 👎) were crying wolf about?

EmbraceThePain · Answer

Exactly.

I don’t think 99.9% of the people saying “800,00” people have died from COVID, truly know whether or not these people died as a result of COVID and nothing else.

These same people cannot confirm or deny because they do not want to.

Most people just don’t have the time and/or motivation to really go into a certain statistic that is read in mainstream news that is quick and made to grab and keep your attention.

It’s kind of like entertainment.

HighValue · Answer

Only 6% of the deaths were from covid. The last reported number was 900,000. So at 6% that would be 54,000 over a two year period.
In the prior 10 years, the normal flu had between 12,000 to 61,000 deaths each year.
So that means the regular flu kills more people each year on average than covid.

by the way, there have been over 21,700+ covid vaccine deaths and 170,000 + adverse reactions to the vaccines according to VAERS.

And just yesterday the CDC admitted that natural immunity was 6 times more effective than the vaccines.

Lliam · Answer

If you eliminate all those who supposedly died "with" covid, rather than "from" covid, and also eliminate those who were murdered by deadly protocols, as well as those who were denied life saving treatments, I'd say that way less than 10% of those 800,000 were legitimate.

LikeALog · Answer

I heard that most deaths were people who were elderly, in poor health or had immune system issues. I heard that from a nurse.

When Covid hit I was deemed an Essential Employee. My only protection at the time was cloth mask. Although I was in daily contact with people, I was not affected by Covid. I'm in excellent health, by the way.

DJB72 · Answer

800,000

COVID doesn't infect everyone but among the unvaccinated it kills 1 in 50 who catch it. That's on the same level as the Spanish Flu in 1918 - 1923. That's 2% mortality rate.

I came too fucking close to being one of them. Feel free to ignore the need to vaccinate. By all means try catching it so you can get a medical exemption to get into the theatre. Just don't take your pathetic ass to a hospital when you're seeing your blood oxygen level drop to levels that are incompatible with survival.

OddBeMe · Answer

1) all official deaths are written by expert physicians who I would trust more than you or any YouTuber.
2) doctors can be wrong and science is about double checking. But by those educated enough to do so accurately. Not shout “fake news” at the TV.
3) Covid death count is tricky. As lots of people with cancer or other debilitating illnesses get inflamed by Covid, which they do have. Are these issues a huge percentage of Covid deaths? Not from what I read. But even it were half, that still means 400,000 people in the US have died strictly from Covid.

bolverk · Answer

I doubt we'll ever really know because they listed so many deaths as 'Covid' when they were actually from the co-morbidities.
For instance over here in the UK if anyone died within 28 days of a Positive Covid Antibody Test be it Covid, Pneumonia, Falling down stairs, or being hit by a bus it was all put down on the death certificate as 'Cause of death; Covid 19'.

Massageman · Answer

I would think that the number is more like 1/3 or less of reported cases wherein the death is CAUSED by the Wuhan virus. . Since the doctors/hospitals/Tx centers have a financial incentive to treat "COVID" patients, they tack it onto just about any case coming in with vague indications. They are getting additional $10K to $15K (depending on source) if a ventilator is needed, and they only get these $$ if they follow the "govt approved protocols" (which really don't work all that well).

slatyb · Answer

Essentially all of them. These are excess deaths above the expected number if Covid had not happened.

In the US in 2020 there were 3,358,814 recorded deaths.
In 2019 there were 2,854,838. So over a half-million more people died in 2019 than in 2020. The only significant difference was the Covid-19 epidemic.

By contrast, in 2019 there were only 15,000 more deaths than in 2018.

I couldn't find the number of total deaths in 2021 but I expect it's similar to 2020.

theothersider · Answer

I had a friend that died from a covid inflicted gun shot wound... I have a feeling history is not going to be kind to this "pandemic" when those real numbers are exposed.

This_Is_My_Opinion8 · Answer

Let's say not all deaths are directly by covid. So what?
Have you seen the open graves in Brasil? Have you seen the lines of ambulances in the UK at the emergency? Have you seen the chaos in Italian hospitals a last year because they literally had to chose who lived and who died?
It's still a very dangerous virus that brought the world to it's knees.

Dragonpurple · Answer

I would also like to know how many indirect covid deaths there are, not caused by the virus but caused by things like lockdowns. How many people committed suicide cause they couldn't handle being socially isolated. All the indirect ones so we can see if the cure of lockdown was worse than the actual virus deaths or not.

msc545 · Answer

If by actual, do you mean "are these people dead"? Yes, in all likelihood, each of them is clinically dead.

You are attempting to resurrect the old "hospitals get paid more if Covis is the cause of death" bullshit.

Don't go there. It failed before, and it fails now. Do better.

Ad_Quid_Orator · Answer

You mean all those people who died of heart attacks when they had COVID? Because if you did a little bit of research you would know that getting a respiratory infection increases your risk of getting a heart attack 15 times. So if someone suffered a heart attack while they had COVID there's a 14/15 chance they would have survived otherwise so it's fair to blame that on COVID.

Fuentes · Answer

It's like when Hitler put out propaganda the the concentration camps weren't mass murdering jewish people & instead taking care of them and they lived freely? Lol i would laugh if nobody ever really died from covid in the first place and they were just tor tagging everyone even without just to spike the numbers.

joeldalton · Answer

So much obfuscation of the numbers we'll never know.

Ninaface · Answer

I believe it's less, but we'll never know how much less thanks to all the corruption.

normalice · Answer

Probably more than 800k. In red counties coroner's refuse to mark deaths as due to COVID because they don't want the family getting a hand out in the form of a free funeral. Only way to really be sure is to compare death rates to prior to 2019, but that data usually takes years to come out.

jamesgoldman · Answer

I know in the UK of 150,000 deaths only about 11% were Covid directly and excluding other factors the average fatality age is/was above 80 years old

Surely · Answer

Liars manipulate the numbers. But numbers don’t lie! Heard rumors that hospitals get money for each Covid death?

RolandCuthbert · Answer

No wonder you are so messed up and lonely. You spend all day on youtube.

douride2 · Answer

Haven't you noticed the reports are saying died WITH covid.

joeblow123 · Answer

The only confirmed death was Bill. As in Bill Of Rights.

awkward_author · Answer

I think people die from other means that they wouldn't have if they hadn't caught COVID. I don't think there are many people who died from COVID directly.

WhiteBoyChill · Answer

They’re thinking of changing the criterion of what counts as covid deaths. Because now its making Biden look worse than Trump

Wester1967 · Answer

Y'all just want to reduce the body count so it doesn't go past the holocaust. Nobody should ever connect the US conservative death cult with Nazis.

TheBigGuy9 · Answer

CDC released an article on a Saturday about 11 months ago saying that 6% of deaths are from Covid. Once it got traction and people noticed it, it got removed and replaced by some bs.

anylolone · Answer

Without an hypothesis agnostic policy it's impossible to know.

Precipice · Answer

Dying with covid and dying from covid are two different things. Guess what one the media uses? Lol

noohair · Answer

I was young during the Vietnam war and the government lied every day. I don't think that lying thing has been fixed yet.

TallAnon · Answer

I mean, if you are so drunk that you sprint onto the road out of nowhere and you get hit by a car.. Did you die from the alcohol or because you were hit by the car?

captain_voidwalker · Answer

Probably about 10% mind you anyone over age 65 I count that as old age, frankly the flu was just as likely to do them in

NamerOfStars · Answer

According to the CDC, roughly 6%.

ninaneedshelp · Answer

Not that many. They lie to prove a point I'm sure.

AviatorTom · Answer

No one will ever know..

Exterminatore · Answer

Probably less than 1/4th that number.

Rangers · Answer

Maybe two or three at most

Wise4myage · Answer

I doubt we will ever know that true number.

Jintendo18 · Answer

I’ve been saying this since 2020.

GoodGuyBreakingBad · Answer

I think it could be true

exitseven · Answer

maybe half.

Redstang88 · Answer

We’ll never know

Joker_ · Answer

About 43

Citizenkirk · Answer

800,000

Kingofkings1992 · Answer

Probably about 5%

jimmy2 · Answer

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