Recent polls seem to indicate that younger generations in the US favor socialism as an economic system. Will we all have to do the goose step soon?Death to fat capitalist pigs!!!
Did you know it all it takes is 2 months propaganda over and over and instilling fear into a person over and over to brainwash them into believing anything that you want parents of today do not communicate our show a love after like we were they are told something over and over and over with a fear behind it and they get brainwashed they are used to being told either do this or this is going to happen you keep acting like this this is what's going to happen and they are little robots nowadays they have no compassion they have no real love empathy all they have is the thought of either being controlled or controlling somebody else just like with covid-19 first it was a situation and then it was fear over and over and over until we believed it don't get me wrong there is a covid-19 but everything that was instilled to us to believe that we had to do to survive this done out of fear over and over and over again until we believed it now watch here we are the mask mandate has been taken off there are going to be thousands of people still wearing their masks each and every day because they believe everything that has been told to them they believe that everybody that has died in the last past two years died of covid-19 just because that's what they were told those people will never ever believe anything else but covid-19 what is the cause of all these deaths because that's what they were told it's the same thing with our young kids they are told something over and over every day with the fact of fear instilled into them until they believe it it's not teaching right from wrong anymore it's called manipulation parents do it each and every day to their children nowadays because they don't want to put the time and energy into bringing their kid up right because they don't have the time I say bulshit it's because you're fucking lazy and you don't give a fuk about nothing but yourselves parents so yes I see that happening to that's who I kids are becoming
Secondly, who do you think said this: "Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration."?
Thirdly, whatever conclusion is reached by democratic means is vastly different from a violent takeover of a country. Guess which happened in China, Russia, Vietnam, and North Korea?
Right now there are too many republicans in the US, which means too many conservatives for that to happen RIGHT NOW. Even though parents' ideology sometimes affects their kids way og thinking, it seems like people nowadays are more affected of media and it seems like some type of increased individualization and reflexivity in the late modern society has made family opinions being a less dominant factor in their kids political believes. So maybe? I think especially the focus on gender equality and intersectionality nowadays might be the end or at least the minimization of capitalism. Young people want a an evenly distributed maternity leave, better access to child support and economic support in relation to maternity leave as well. people want government action in terms of closing the gender gap in the different sectors. People want a stronger safety net, free health care. All of this craves a stronger and bigger state, which is expensive and it will result in much higher taxes. Just as we see in Scandinavia. So maybe gen Z will be the reason for a more socialistic change in the US.
Socialism has never worked, anywhere it has ever been tried so not sure why people think it will work. Capitalisms may not be the best, but its better than everything else ever tried.
Some will say highways are socialistic already, but that is usage based. Sure we have limited things in regards to emergency services but one could also argue that is usage based, as people have to pay for ambulances and health care, the more you use the more you pay.
I used to think it was a great idea when I was younger until I learned how terrible it really is. Venezuela is a perfect example, extremely rich country now living the socialist paradise.
LOL Silly boy. That's just Republican fear propaganda.
Do you know what socialism is? It's when the working class CONTROLS the means of production, plain and simple. Communism is when the wealth created by that production is distributed equally amongst the working class. You see ANY of that happening? No freaking way, dude. In 2020, middle class families owned only 7% of the wealth in the USA. The top 15% control roughly 85-88% of the wealth in the USA.
That sound like socialism? Hell no. LOL The US is RUN by corporations, and corporations are mainly "for profit" entities. Politicians are just tools that enable corporations to make money, while most us who aren't in the top 10% of wage earners, get fleeced.
Enough with this socialism scary word tactics, Repubs. It's cliche, and bullshit.
Socialist UNTIL -they realize they will be paying for it -their gaming apparatuses are taken away -freedom to move only within own zip code
-Electrical “smart” Car: not home by designated time or out of zipcode (bloc), will be remotely stopped and confiscated by Government. -Smart tech (whole house) remotely flipped off when Policy Violation (s) occur. -Assigned time for personal needs/tasks
-damn hungry as their asses are being locked up in the Nevada and Arizona USA Government orChinese Internment Camps.
Canada is fighting against the Government blatant implementation. Not being able to get around is a taste of Government run State. The capitalist pig truckers in this case…are violating my freedom from Stupid and indoctrinated Public 🤷🏻♂️
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I doubt it.
Socialism is a PROVEN failed system, time and time again. It only seems popular among young people who do not know better... or WANT to know better. They just seem to like the feeling of being "revolutionaries." Socialism will always have pushback because a lot of people coming into the US are fleeing from that system... because THEY know the US, and the free countries like the US, will offer more opportunities.
Capitalism clearly has it's issues, but it has been proven to work more effectively.
Worse. It’s becoming a centrally planned economy without much effort at building a safety net to protect what used to be the middle class from the consequences.
The Federal Reserve Bank has been purchasing assets in the stock market since 2019 via Black Rock. It has become the biggest source of capital and Black Rock’s CEO directs where that money is spent. This gives one man (who is very woke and in line with the WEF’s agenda) tremendous power over the American Economy. What customers want and demand levels no longer matter as much as what the controller wants. Most of the economy is government spending or money printing by the Fed. This did not work for the USSR and the US will suffer a similar fate for doing it here.
Yes. Marxism has been steadily pumped into universities for decades now and has gone unchallenged. Young people even have Marxist ideologies without being consciously aware of it because they have grown up in a time that the beliefs are generally accepted. The disaster of socialism is always sold as beneficial to the common working person in order to garner support from them. Yet even when you look at countries which have so called socialist democracies, you often find that the government policies don't represent the wants and needs of the common people.
is a huge hiference between communism and socailism. Socialism it mean the nation will be able go give free education, free medical sistem. Here is where the name come from, from "social" whit mean interaction whit evryone (this sistem is posible in countrys that had never been communist as well like France, UK, Sweeden, Schwizenland, Germanty"RFG, Japan, Canada..."). Communism mean, comon. This mean evrething you own i own and evrething i own you own. (this sistem is imposible)
This sort of stuff started back in the 1950's- 1960's. The socialists/communists who would like to take control of the US are a patient lot, however. There have been SO. MANY. PROBLEMS. arising from an aggregation of "little things" of "no consequence", and now finally people are scratching their heads wondering how this came to be. Four generations of trusting the BravoSierra media, not following the Constitution, and trying to improve on God's plan for Life.
Man we're just trying to get the same effort/reward ratio as you people had.. .. the same one that a disturbing number of you delusionally think still applies.
Once upon a 2017, I was on auth-right groups all over the joint because I was too STUPID to understand that said ratio isn't 1/1,000,000,000 anymore like it was for previous generations (I'm lib-center now by the way).
Although I will say I wouldn't mind if the North Korea cultist here in the states were rounded up and given the tried-and-true, good ol' fashioned shower treatment.
To some extent, yes, but it won't last. It is why we have the Second Amendment. If they go too far, we will stack them up like sand bags. 2022 and 2024 will change everything. If they manage to steal another election, we will begin to thin their herd.
I think the younger generation just want access to the financial stability their parents and grandparents had… instead we get astronomically inflated prices on education and housing…
@Jersey2 Seriously horseshit. LOL Now the left is responsible for higher costs in education and housing too? And the current supply line crisis? And Russia readying to annex the Ukraine? How about the Rams winning the Super Bowl in liberal Los Angeles and not conservative Cincinatti? Did they do that too? LMAO
Many people you see working in retail that are in your typical retirement age do not do so because it's fun. You would be amazed by how many people in your parents or grandparents age groups will never retire simply because it's no an option. One of the biggest issues with conversations like this is that people make sweeping decorations and never research a topic before making them.
@loveslongnails Yes, they are. Higher costs in education: First the Left is higher education, meaning the professors, regents and those that run it. We all know that. 20 years ago the colleges wanted to keep increasing prices and the Republicans didn’t support raising the borrowing caps but the Democrats kept pushing for the cap to be raised by a lot. Now that the kids can borrow more they could charge more, rinse and repeat. After a while the terrible Left slanted education that they received is found to be not worth much as they can’t do much. They didn’t want to go into computer science or engineering but they did take useless courses with much lower standards. Competing on a world stage that didn’t work… and neither did they. So yeah, the Left is definitely responsible for high debt from education along with the people who went to college, overspent on it, didn’t view it as a loan for an investment that must be paid back. Fools with their money are soon parted.
Housing, with a vastly inflating dollar due to trillions of recent expenditures people will invest in things that will go up in value or at least hold their relative value. An obvious one is housing. Many people trying to buy the same thing increases price. Not just IS citizens but foreign investors too along with corporations. Intersect that with a generation that is finally ready to buy a house along with shortages on everything needed to build them will make prices inflate rapidly. Biden spent those trillions. He signed everything they put in front of hi. And here is a thought, if he signs the infrastructure bill, buy a house quick. I’m serious.
@loveslongnails And the current supply line crisis… the Port of LA had/has over 100 ships waiting to be unloaded. I know someone who is having a house built and her windows are in one of those ships she has been told. The port wasn’t even working 24/7 until recently. Biden let an entire year go by until he pushed for 24/7, way too late. Next issue was the federal government chased out huge numbers of truck drivers for being older and overweight so not one to drive the stuff from the ports. Now Biden is training teenagers to drive the trucks and I would bet huge money they are uneducated minorities… good luck on the roads in a few years it will be a mess with accidents.
How about gas prices? Remember Biden was so happy to kill the Keystone pipeline, yeah that had an impact too. You vote for this shit, you can choke on this shit. You also invite in too many people to compete with you for jobs, houses, apartments, schools, gas, government benefits etc, etc etc. Choke on it but don’t blame anyone but yourselves. And don’t tell me it can’t be done today. My kids are six figures and two have big houses being built (that’s how I know about the windows).
@Jersey2 The pipeline was, and is, a disgrace, and has absolutely NOTHING to do with gas prices. It's nothing more than a Fox or Newsmax talking point that you suck down lock, stock and barrel, because you're an idiot. You actually "believe" that if that dirty oil made it to the refineries in the USA that your gas would cost less? LMFAO. That just shows how dumb you really are. You're a dupe who knows nothing about real world economy. You truly are.
Let's try not to be fascists. Okay? Socialism is not Communism. FDR was as close to a Socialist as any president, and he was filthy rich. When you ARE the richest country in the world, we have an obligation to make sure every citizen is brought along.
Socialism is liked the minimum wage. It sounds good but the results are bad because is results in more unemployment. Most everyone wants to believe that we all should have access to adequate food, housing, education, and medical care. The problem is, resources are not infinite. Socialism is theft enforces with guns, prison, and death.
Democracies turn into socialistic dictatorships Unfortunately, that is the direction the USA is going.
No, it's not becoming socialist. We have the weakest social safety net of any developed country. Guaranteeing basic services to everyone is not socialist.
No, it is not. A couple months ago people might think so, but it isn’t. Democrats are lifting mask mandates cuz they know they can’t force this on us. This is a very small minority of people doing this. They operate on fear and intimidation. They pretend they’re much bigger than they really are. They’re already saying we are going to lose our Democracy soon, meaning they know their draconian rules are coming to an end.
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The US is too uncivilised to have a socialist model. But the younger generation can only hope the oldies will die off and their ill gotten slave based economy comes to an end.
Corporate Socialism is the current economic model of the US. Failing corporations and financial institutions are bailed out at the expense of the taxpayer. The Stock Market is controlled by the Federal Reserve and is no longer related to market forces. It's more like Communism than Socialism.
Haha, that's funny. Maybe wait until Scandinavia and the rest of Europe turns socialist, and *then* you can start panicking - the US is about 50 years behind them.
It cannot become Socialist in terms of a political regime, it's hard to move backward. But would say YES if in terms of economic and social justice. It's never fair that a bunch of super rich people acquire the majority of a nation money, and consequently control all economy and politics.
There is a reason socialists have always gone after the young: they are the most easily impressionable and manipulated and also the dumbest. It's not till you get older that you realize that socialism is the definition of failure.
More of an oligarchy, under the guise of socialism. What I mean by this is certain socialist policies ie Obamacare completely enrich the oligarchs at the expense of working and middle class people.
Young people do not support socialism, young people support revolution and it's completely understandable. They finally can vote, are ambitious, full of energy, and want to change the world. With age people get more moderate.
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I hope so, and hopefully that from now on, Socialism will be effective instead of capitalism all over the world. American youth will achieve this, well done to them.
I want to live the brains of people who give minus. Is not there your humanity? Why should the poor get poorer while the rich get richer? Why does this class discrimination exist in this false world we live in, while all people are buried same under it even after they die?
@bingbongbangbung yes they have a capitalist economy, but with heavy socialism. Free healthcare. Free education. Social security. High taxes. Syndicates. Etc.
"The poor get poorer while the rich get richer" is a lie. Do you think there are no self made millionaires in the world? Do you think that wealthy people never fall? Do you think that it isn't the absolute pinnacle of arrogance to think you have the answers of how tear down and rebuild society better than thousands of years of lessons learned through trial and error have? Today we have the freest, most productive, generous, peaceful society in human history and you think, "Nope. Let's start over using the murderous regimes of the past as a blueprint" It's true that we are not perfect. Perfection is not to be found on this Earth. We should keep improving, but what you foolishly are advocating is the exact opposite of an improvement.
You have to respect people's ideologies. Not everyone has to think like you. And why are you being so aggressive instead of giving it a chance? Everything, everyone deserves a chance, right? If the official who implements it is a good person, be sure that such ideologies may even be more useful than the ones you defence. All you have to do is take off your blinders and look with your naked eye once.
I'm sorry. You are asking me to give socialism a chance? It has been given a chance. I t has been given multiple chances. China, The USSR, Cuba, Venezuela. You know those old timey guys that your generation says anyone that disagrees with them is? The Nazis? The word came from Nationalsozialist. Translated from the German to English that is National Socialists. Go look up The Killing Fields and the Khmar Rogue if you want to know what happens when people give it a try. I ask you again if you have ever spoken to the people that have lived under socialism. Until you do, don't tell me to take off the blinders that you are clearly wearing.
And while I a ma ranting at you anonymous 18-24 year old on the internet, "You have to respect people's ideologies." No I don't. Where is that rule written? There are people who's ideologies are racist. There are people who's ideologies are sexist. There are people who's ideologies say that it's okay to be a pedophile. There are people who's ideologies welcome ethnic cleansing. I'm promise you that I do not have to respect every ideology that comes down the pike
Better yet how about you sell what you have and move to one of these wonderous countries and partake of their wonderous socialist living conditions that you think are much better than we have here. Better yet just leave wherever you live and become homeless and see how you fare, and you will have at least a little bit of knowledge of what a socialist lifestyle is like having to rely on government to provide you with everything you need from toilet paper to toothpaste then let us know if you still want to live like that. REMEMBER THE GRASS IS ALWAYS GREENER ON THE OTHER SIDE OF FENCE
@Texaskid1 can you please remove my opinion? I keep getting notifications and insults. It's really despicable for a lady to be humiliated like a dog for her thought.
I am sorry if you take this as an insult. I am not actually trying to do that, but please understand that you are advocating for the most deadly and tyrannical system ever devised.
@MrtoddsWildRide China is not socialist, they only say they are. The USSR was not even comunist. Any country that doesn't gives their people freedom is not socialist. Cuba and Venezuela are under constant influence from the US that will never allow any socialist economy close to them to work. Just look at thye embargo they have on Cuba and how much they support Maduro who is the bane of Venezuela. But tell you what look at Chile. Very recently, it hasn't been half a year, Chile elected it's first socialist president in decades. He is not under US thumb. He can be the real model of whatever it works or not. Aside from the social democracies on northen Europe. The best places in the world to live.
Firstly, opinion owner, there's an option to mute your opinion (or this question, I'm not sure which), so you won't get all these annoying notifications.
@MrtoddsWildRide " "The poor get poorer while the rich get richer" is a lie. " No, it's an accurate generalisation. Yes, there are self-made millionaires, lots of them, but a million dollars isn't beyond the expectations of even wage earners, these days. If you have a good job and don't waste it, it's not unreasonable to expect to be able to save $1million by the time you retire.
In 1989, the bottom 25% owned 1% of the country's wealth, the second 25% owned 6%, the third, 15%, and the top 25% owned 78%. In 2019, it was 0%, 4%, 11%, and 85%. www.cbo.gov/system/files/2020-11/56758-NTA.pdf
“The wealth of the world’s 10 richest men has doubled since the pandemic began. The incomes of 99% of humanity are worse off because of COVID-19. Widening economic, gender, and racial inequalities—as well as the inequality that exists between countries—are tearing our world apart. This is not by chance, but choice: “economic violence” is perpetrated when structural policy choices are made for the richest and most powerful people. This causes direct harm to us all, and to the poorest people, women and girls, and racialized groups most." www.oxfamamerica.org/.../
@goaded I will let Lady Thacher give a response to that https://youtu.be/okHGCz6xxiw And Milton Friedman he said that "A society that places fairness over economic opportunity will always end up with less of both" Again I'm going to ask a question that nobody seems to answer. What makes you think that you have some sort of wonderful insight that you can do correctly what has tried and failed every time? What makes you think that it will not end up in tyranny and misery and death this time like it has every other time?
@MrtoddsWildRide What make you think that democratic socialism has failed "every time"? I can think of a couple of dozen countries where it's still going strong, tyvm.
@goaded No. You think you do, but no you don't. If you are going to point to Scandinavia , they came the closest, that was mainly due to the US providing for so much of their defense, but they couldn't make it work and have been scaling it back for the last decade. China? Not even close. Any other ideas you have?
@MrtoddsWildRide Why do I get the feeling you'll describe every European country as socialist when it suits your argument and only a couple when it doesn't?
america is already a mixture of socialism and capitalism. as every modern democracy, cause pure capitalism and pure socialism both fail to create a stable economy for people to surive in.
One of the largest programs in the US is Social Security. It’s a huge part of the budget. It’s a tax on workers to be dispersed to people over a certain age.
Every modern society has elements of socialism having said that you can have socialist systems in a democratic republic in America I believe to many of these systems are becoming socialist
It has nothing to do with lack of free speech. Your healthcare system is literally the most expensive and less effective in the world. Very far from socialism. Your taxation is low. Social security should be a given in any county. The US doesn't have nearly enough to be socialist. Take the shot it lose job is just common sense.
A wise man once said capitalism makes winners and losers, but socialism only makes losers. And yes capitalism isn't perfect but it's results are far batter than socialism.
I believe it might even get harder to become rich in a socialistic society. However being able to at least support yourself financially would 100% be easier in a socialistic society. A socialistic society will result in high taxes so if you ask me the rich will get less rich and the poor will get less poor.
The high taxes could mean the poorest could get cash assistance which is basically taking from the rich as they would pay the highest taxes and give to the poorest. Also in a socialistic society, the welfare state is big which includes free education The poor would be able to go to college and bye that get a job. Which means they would also pay taxes and their consumption will get bigger which means higher demand and therefore also bigger supply and bigger supply = bigger production which means more jobs = less workless people = and again more the consumption increases = Economic growth. This is why Scandinavia has great economy. But this is also the reason why the rich aren't the same level rich as rich people in the US. Because the richer you are, the more you will pay in taxes which makes is hard to get extremely rich.
@Embarrassing123 Ah, your English is fine. I didn’t even notice you are European. 😃
Yeah, Scandinavian countries are similar to the US where tax rates are higher for the wealthy and those taxes are used to assist lower income. The problem with countries giving their government complete control over all the wealth distribution is that they never actually give it to the poor. They take it from the wealthy and keep it for themselves.
I believe the same. But i also believe that the welfare state in my country (Denmark) is extremely expensive. Free education, free health care etc. is no joke. At the same time one could argue if it's really free or if we just pay it slower. Half of our income goes to taxes. Nothing is free. But it sure helps with with the employment-rate and i truly believe 'free' education makes such a big difference in a contries economic situation. However it is sooo problematic that our welfare state keeps getting bigger and bigger, which means higher and higher taxes. I believe our state at this point has too much control and too little freedom even though i appreciate some of the state support and the strong safety net. And interesting comment on the state keeping it to themselves - i have similar thoughts. I don't really understand capitalism that well, but i think that it's problematic that rich people usually aren't rich because they have worked hard, but instead because of inheritance. I think it's sad that some people can't afford college and that it becomes a barrierer in terms of achieving their 'American dream'. I do believe that hard work should be the reason to succes, but sadly that is not always enough in a residual welfare state. Income, social class, bias, motherhood (reproductive work and taking care of children = not being able to prioritize work as a mother) etc. plays too much of a role. That's why i think free education and equality of opportunities is essential for the term 'hard work equals succes' to become more realistic.
@Embarrassing123 Yeah, that’s kind of like an authoritarian takeover in slow motion. Denmark is very nice still but eventually, like you said, freedoms start getting taken away. The difference between Denmark and the US is that the welfare state here does absolutely no work, contributes nothing to society and demands a paycheck. It’s also where most of the crime takes place so taxes go to fund enforcement. The US is already a quasi socialist government within the states themselves such as California where the government votes to raise taxes just to fund social programs. That money goes mostly to the politicians and then a little bit goes to the people who actually need it.
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