Is socialism coming to the USA?

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Half (49%) of the Gen Z group (ages 16-25), support socialism and 40 percent of all Americans support socialism. 78 percent of all Americans, believe that the divide between the rich and the poor is a serious issue and 49 percent believe that “a complete change of our economic system” is in order. In fact 60 percent of Millennials (age 26-41) support a “complete change of our economic system away from capitalism,” and 57 percent of Gen Z does as well. A major part of the reason that support for socialism is growing is the gap between the rich and the poor has moved to the extreme ends over the past three decades. The rich have continues to gain more wealth and grow richer whilst the poor have remained to be poor.  According to the latest Fed data, the top 1% of Americans have a combined net worth of $34.2 trillion (or 30.4% of all household wealth in the U. S.), while the bottom 50% of the population holds just $2.1 trillion combined (or 1.9% of all wealth). Over the past three decades, the top 10% of U. S. households have seen their wealth rise by almost ten percentage points while the total wealth controlled by the bottom 50% has been cut nearly in half (from 3.6% to 1.9%) Also, millennials don’t seem to know what socialism is, and how it’s different from other styles of government. American youngsters are not only economically ill-informed, but also historically unread. In a survey of recent college graduates, a third could not name a single right guaranteed by the First Amendment. Finally, young Americans don’t support capitalism because they blame their problems on capitalism. However, “Crony capitalism” is not capitalism, but political cronyism: the granting of political favors by the government to one’s friends (“cronies”) at the expense of the rights of others. Under laissez-faire capitalism, outside the protection of individual rights, government’s job is “hand’s off.”

DaveJord · Accepted Answer

So shocker and I am prepared that there are some people out there that will adamantly disagree and argue with me. Therefore they will argue to the bitter end of this.

So news flash, America isn't a capitalist country. In a capitalist state based upon the principles of Laissez-fair economy you would not have any;

1) Governmentalregulation or restrictions on trade or industry in the form of; tariffs, interstate trade, taxes, environmental regulations, sanctions, subsidies or trade policies.

2) You would not see any Governmental regulations or restrictions on labor in the from of labor laws, miniminnuim wages, welfare in the form of workers compensation, unemployment or safety regulations.

So in the beginning America was historically more capitals, because we were more isolationist with an insulated national economy. But all that changed in the 1930's with the great depression and failure of industry. So Franklin D. Roosevelt's New Deal implemented social reform on a massive level from labor to welfare to social security and income taxs.

Then NAFTA, and the modern day integrated global economy. So we are far from capitals, and ultimately never were truly capitalist. The nail in the coffin of the ideal of capitalism in the United States came in 2008 with Governmental ball or of the American banks and industries.

According to Karl Marx Capitalism and Communism were on two opposite end of the spectrum. He belief capitalist state would fail due to the disparities between the social class system it enforced. Communism would then be the perffer form of government... and any other system of Government in between was socialist in transition to becoming a Communism.

So since the world has never seen a truly capitalist or communist state according to Marx the entire free world are socialist states. So the only true fact is that the United States is probably the closest thing in this world to a capitalist country. The major difference between the US and the rest of the western world being is that European counties are closure to being communist states than we are, but we're are all socialist state to varying degrees.

What makes you think the United States isn't a socialist?

Massageman · Accepted Answer

It has been coming increasingly quickly since the late 1960's, and started even earlier.
And if we don't keep fighting back, it will take us over.

People don't realize that Social Security is NOT an unearned freebie. It was thrust on the public as a knee-jerk, over-response to the Great Depression and has evolved into an increasingly giant boondoggle ever since. But Social Security IS a real entitlement: we paid into it, we are entitled to it. Never mind that we could have done much better had we bought a stock portfolio with the same amount we plunked into SS.

Medicare is the same thing. That was thrust upon us by LBJ, like it or not. We've been paying into that. We get our pay, we are forced to give some to cover Medicare. Then, we still have to get Plan B, and then we STILL have to get courage on top of that, PLUS there is usually a co-pay! So, yes Medicare IS an entitlement (eww- I don't even like that word- it is OWED to us).
Too bad that members of Congress don't have to get SS instead of their cushy pension to learn how it feels. Things would change within a week if that ever happened.

As Margaret Thatcher said, "Socialism is great until you run out of the other's people's money". (I might be a word or two off, but that is the gist of it.)

Anonymous · Accepted Answer

I have a gut level feeling that there is a shift in the global order on the horizon, and it's not socialists or communist China but overt fascists and White Supremacists that will be taking over.

I've also been privy to leaks on my Signal app, I've communicated with people who've managed to hack private Twitch servers and chatrooms full of these racists and the stuff I've been shown gave me goosebumps and it continues to cause me sleepless nights. These racist f***ers are on Wall Street, in Silicon Valley, in corporate boardrooms, heading fully-financed tech startups, becoming land lords, and even creating cryptocurrencies. They're all working together and sharing notes, some have even made themselves multi-millionaires just by trading crypto. I even saw a picture somebody shared on the private chat that was taken at the WEF in Davos, Switzerland for crying out loud.

They have laid out their plan: Gain wealth and power, network with each other, take over big tech, get elected to office, take over finance, buy up businesses and real estate, take over the media, use their earnings to establish a shadow banking system, then eventually they'll begin rigging elections, they'll abolish the federal reserve and replace it with a new system under their control, and they'll ultimately kill our democracy and wear it as some sort of skin suit while indoctrinating our children and grandchildren into little Nazis and enacting eugenics programs to cull "undesirables" (i. e non-Whites, Jews, Muslims, special needs and LGBTQ). They call their little program "White Zionism".

I hope they fail.

laurieluvsit · Accepted Answer

No Ms Kelly, it is not 'coming', it is here along with communism, marxism and other ism's.

Our country and many states are in full control of the communists as we text.

There is still a chance that we will be able to restore our republic but it is going to take as many as possible to 'Get In The Fight', meaning become involved in turning things around. Part of that is called 'Non-compliance'.

Anyway, this will require a 'myTake' to explain but at least you have an awareness that things are just not right.

For an incredible explanation of what is going on, go to...

https://rumble.com/search/video?q=x22report.com&sort=date&date=this-year

StevieNix · Answer

It will never happen. My dad taught me to never get between a mama bear and her cubs.
‘Hell Hath No Fury Like A Woman Scorned’
In Venezuela, the citizens are eating out of the back of garbage trucks. They ate their pets, and ate the zoo animals.

Trump airlifted 100 million dollars of food and aid, heading towards

Venezuela. The planes couldn't land in Venezuela, so they landed in a border country.

This fucking prick, Nicolas Maduro, wouldn't allow the food and aid to come into the country.

This will never fly in America. We all have guns. Even the Dems who pretend they don't have them. They're lying.

Chazmatazz269 · Answer

That’s the funny thing about the difference between theory and practice, isn’t it? Socialism is a fine theory, and so is capitalism. But in practice, we’ve smurfed them both up. By “we” i mean they. By “they” i mean the wealthy and influential people who have always been invested in systems that benefit themselves more than others. Study human history as far back as you like. It’s rife with rich buttholes getting richer off the backs of the poor. They’re the same ones designing our economic systems and governments even today. Therefore any wish or expectation of change is futile and foolish, short of a revolution.

letuswaltzforthedead · Answer

I dont want to say that capitalism in the United States is dying only to be replaced by socialism. Not only is the future hard to predict but the United States is pretty protected constitutionally (the constitution itself requires a majority to remove it). It0 is likely that we'll see the US adopt a more socialist government like Venezuela, everyone knows that it's socialist but not exactly by constitution/ Marxist-leninist labelling. I think the "spread" of socialism in the younger generations that you mentioned is due to the mislabeling of capitalism and socialism done by governments. Everything good that the state does is labelled socialist by conservatives/Republicans and everything wrong done by the government is labelled capitalism by left-wingers. Many teachers, even in my case, lean left politically and are more open now talking to students about how "great and wonderful" communism is.

Smoke-n-Growls · Answer

I certainly hope so.

Capitalism is not a sustainable model. And I don't mean just the environmental sense, I mean just by its nature it is doomed to fail.

Capitalism is the system of infinite growth.

The problem is the world is not infinite.

Capitalism is doomed to fail because it is not able to deal with the material reality that decoupling from growth is the only way to save ourselves.

If anyone reading this has an interest in socialism - or heck, even if you just want to listen in and heckle the Iraqi and Slavic hosts - I highly recommend The Deprogram podcast. It's a very interesting, international podcast on Leftist topics.

And they're fucking memelords and shit-disturbers so it's fun. Americans be warned, if you haven't heard how non-Americans think unfiltered, you might want to have a drink on hand to numb yourself.

NaultD · Answer

We've always lived in a mixed economy system. Could you imagine haggling with a fire fighter to save grandma? Free markets are not ideal for every situation like life saving expenses even less so at a moments notice. So the most socialist thing people talk about American politics is medicare for all.

Most countries have medical treatment as a human right and it's a solved issue. The great American United States of America goes out of its way to be better then every other country at everything we put effort in yet we pull the middle finger to human rights. We are the richest nation to ever exist "and we can't afford healthcare." That is fucking lunacy.

We can and should invest improving everyone lives that lives in this great country. Yet we as a country choose not to and promote greater suffering.
You will blame socialism as the old harbinger of death, and the new harbinger of death. But of course this was a set trajectory long long ago.

Aerissa_Jade · Answer

Usage based socialism works pretty good, such as the gas tax and the highway system.

However taxing entity A and directly giving to entity B is really bad and will eventually lead to communism or a dictator.

That will cause a lot of resentment, fear and other problems.

Adaeva · Answer

The USA already has some socialism such as social security and mandatory health insurance. However, because the rich keep getting richer at the expense of those at the bottom and because few people understand the benefits of capitalism, people are going to keep voting for and electing candidates that promise more socialism.

After they get socialism, the people voting for it will not like but the USA will become a socialist country.

jhl_x · Answer

It's coming to developed countries and other countries that haven't effectively lived under it. The only way for people to learn is to live and suffer under it, the same way east Europe did. Teachers only tell half of the story and politicians love to hand out free stuff to get votes. Young people are naive and inexperienced rebels with no cause, rightfully angry at the system but blaming the wrong people of upkeeping it.

Guy13 · Answer

It is here already. The Left and the Democratic Socialist, as we are a "democracy" destroy all that is Good. It really got going from Freud/Jung, Enlightenment (Kierkegaard-Presbyterians) through Nietzsche... Schopenhauer, Bacon, Spinoza etc... that sample is of the World. CAREFULNESS required :)

wheresmrcunnunglis · Answer

somethings coming thats for sure. Otherwise there wouldn't be such an intense push to dilute American history yet again to make the masses ignorant again which to me is such a useless endeavor to do since we are armed with the internet and Professors who are willing more than ever to share their knowledge with those who can't afford higher education for free on the internet or through their books.

Blessed be to live in the time of the internet ( and at times not so much.)

Whatever2929292 · Answer

It is not coming it is already here. You're a really smart person by the way. Becoming harder and harder to find here on this website anymore

Anonymous · Answer

Big part of my generation is just fucking stupid, millennials too. Socialism is a fantasy shit, only kids who have opportunities and are stupid af want that, they should move to a place like cuba or venezuela if they want it so bad, ruining other countries asking for shit they don't know about will affect us all.

DryGermanGuy · Answer

🙄🙄🙄Americans would not recognize „socialism“, if it hit them on the head. Just watch or read their opinions on how politics are in Europe. You clearly see, the majority of Americans never got out of their country.

purplepoppy · Answer

If you look at the UK where socialism is more tolerates than the USA, apart from the hardliners most so called lefties support socialist ideas like equality, fair pay, fair treatment rather than economic measures. Basically if you don't want to be treated like shit then you are a socialist. The problem is America never really recovered from things like Mccarthyism and the cold war and left wing politics has long been demonised as traitorous to American ideas.

Anonymous · Answer

Its rather easy to lie to a kid particularly if you control most of what little they do and do not know in school and media.

The fact that 90% of them don't support socialism is the more remarkable question. Someone has been doing a particular poor job at manipulation or is rather selling a very obviously flawed set of lies.

jshm2 · Answer

You're confused.

What Americans consider "socialism" isn't actually "socialism" at all, but "big government" . Thus you rise and fall at the first step and your assertion is moot.

Also, American "capitalism" is really just hegemony under a different banner. Americans are just too fuckwitted to see it for what it is. Hence don't understand why so many around the world oppose Americanism and it's expansion.

goaded · Answer

I'm sure I recently posted a well backed-up opinion about this but it seems to have disappeared. It's the fault of Republicans who have been calling anything that is good for the common people "socialism" since the 1930's. Social security: "socialism", Medicare: "socialism", ACA: "socialism", New Deal? "Socialism". Why wouldn't young people be in favour of things that help people, and why wouldn't they associate that with the label "socialism"?

BillyBalls · Answer

75% of Americans could not define the difference between a demand economy, a mixed economy or a command economy.

So in taking a survey like this, you assume people can define the terms you are using in order to give a reasoned answer... they don't and can't.

007kingifrit · Answer

industrialized nations tend never to go for socialism. we like having stuff. i doubt it very much. they will be beaten because every time they win any election... they can't do shit and their own people get mad and pissy.

the death of any left wing ideology is it's own implementation

peedy · Answer

They are trying
Socialism communism, fascism all birds of a feather all have failed everywhere everytime they have been implemented all put the people from all walks of life all classes in extreme hardship and poverty except for one group for them its great ultimate power ultimate wealth and that is the ruling class that's why the want it

abc3643 · Answer

The United States already has had socialism for 250 years. The United States military is the world's largest socialist program and has worked fine for all that time.

exitseven · Answer

It is already here. Lots of young people think that Socialism is a good thing and will make America better. They have been shown examples of socialism that have failed and ended up ruining the country instead of making it better..

DWornock · Answer

Yeonmi Park was born in North Korea and she can see some similarities in the USA and North Korea and that is scary. Whether that should be defined as socialism or fascism, I don't know. I'm not sure there is much difference, but there in not much capitalism remaining in the USA. The fact is, socialism has already infested the USA. The only question remaining is how bad will it get.

monkeynutts · Answer

It doesn't have to be like China, but if the government could control and own some big pharma, and tech, and other services, it could provide better work conditions for the population, America seems to have such a large gap between the poverty, and privilege. And issues with working class people paying all the taxes. Truthfully socialism or partial socialism could help America.

EnglishEuropean · Answer

Well let's see. Are you victims of capitalist price gouging? Do you enjoy social programs like affordable healthcare? In socialism the state works for the people. In America the state works for global corporations.

Sixgunsound · Answer

An inadequate understanding of capitalism is the goal of the Marxist feminist dominated public education system.

Anonymous · Answer

No. Eating the rich has been an debate as old as man. And when you look at pop culture it's quite obvious that younger generations believe in capitalism just as much as their predecessors. But their lack of loyalty to employers I don't exactly see as a bad thing. Older generations will say the younger generations are spoiled. I say they have a healthy distrust of their employers which is good.

Twalli · Answer

True capitalism would be a major economic change in our country. I used to be a socialist until I decided that I am more of an ethical person than political. Thus, I identify as a utilitarian consequentialist instead of a specific political party.

Avicenna · Answer

Communists love to make you think they aren’t by adopting other labels.

WhitneySnow · Answer

You’re Gen Z just like me. How do you feel about it?

Anonymous · Answer

No it's not coming if any thing segregation and far operation is coming.

The more the left push the bigger the right gets.

Gen z is a lost generation. We need to focus on gen alpha the 11 and under generation and make sure they don't turn out like gen Z.

Gen x is the new baby boomer and they not tolerating that LGBT stuff. And gen Y men are mad don't like the behavior of women And immigrants don't like LGBT

The left is a loud minority.

DarkWinterNights · Answer

Civil war is coming to the US. The only question is who the players will be.

MikeInHawaii · Answer

I think it is and it will fail here, just like it has everywhere else it has ever been tried.

Anonymous · Answer

I don't think these idiots know what they are asking for or they do and want to watch the world burn. The government has been responsible for every single social injustice the world has ever seen and yet these morons think they are the good guys.

TwoToTooTutu2 · Answer

No, those kids don't know what Socialism is. They're advocating for Social Democracy which is Capitalist. They just think it is Socialism because Americans are stupid as fuck.

RandomGuy1030 · Answer

The only problem with that is when you look at the most socialist countries, they never have been accepting of people with green hair

CALIGVLA · Answer

Socialism?  😆 Modern US is a neoliberal experiment, what "socialism" do people see in this?

OddBeMe · Answer

Social security, medicare and medicaid are 2/3s our national budget. Socialism is here moron.

Dargil · Answer

They have until the midterms then the leftist train stops.

VikingWarLord · Answer

I'm skeptical that all that came from a 13 year old girl.  But if it did, then there may be hope for the future

Amur8711 · Answer

It is and I absolutely detests it, no one prospers under socialism but the ones in power.

Hispanic-Cool-Guy · Answer

No. The current system is well designed and rooted to favor the greedy and controlled by extremely weathy people.

driven159 · Answer

we are in a socialist type of government we have social services police fire social security welfare food stamps Medicare Medicaid

Cubus · Answer

You wish it don't. Or you become next Venezuela/ Soviet Union

Anonymous · Answer

Let's hope not but given Joey's in the hot seat taking bids on America from China, communism is far more likely

jennifer_bloom · Answer

I’m not rich but I love to help people and would rather help others than myself so I support socialism.

jimmy2 · Answer

If it does I think it won't be around for long. You can push a countries residents just so far till someone does an something

Bratsondanielle · Answer

Lol probably not HAPPY 4TH 🇺🇲🥳🇺🇲🥳🇺🇲🥳

CAPTAIN-OBVIOUS · Answer

I wonder what the future looks like for USA:/

888theGreat · Answer

It is here and you young people want it

humanearth · Answer

Are you sure your only a kid

John_Doesnt · Answer

You're 13, but bad mouthing young people?

dragoblack · Answer

No. Tyranical Capitalist Oligarchy is

PatriceONeal · Answer

Gen z is retarded

Anonymous · Answer

You reap what you sew. End of story.

RuthlessAggression · Answer

I hope so

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