
Are we heading towards a world shared between "two blocs"?


Nah, that is a complete misunderstanding of todays power dynamics. First of all, Russia and China are rivals and not friends. They sometimes cooperate against other powers such as USA but they are not friendly towards each other. For example, China is perfectly happy with Russia getting demolished in Ukraine. In fact, if they can make Russia stay longer in Ukraine and suffer even more damage by giving Russia some supplies and assistance then they are only all too happy to see Russia suffer more.
The "Western Bloc" is also not really holding together anymore either. USA has recently done some stupid moves such as various invasions in the middle east and electing Donald Trump who in turn made some questionable decisions. This in turn has made other countries who are part of the Western Bloc such as EU countries to consider USA as unreliable. Instead of continuing to follow or rely on USA they have instead decided to become more independent both in diplomatic issues and military issues.
What we have seen is basically the rise and fall of the two blocs during the cold war period and now these two tight knitted groups are separating into more regional groups with their own regional concerns.
Even when Soteris actually says something that has some truth to it (about Russia and China) he can't help but say something stupid about Trump. And the EU is still filled with dependencies of the US.
Most countries are still non-aligned though, even though they do business with the US, China, Russia or EU countries.
@Avicenna My claims are testable. If what I said are wrong then you would not find countries diverting from USA and NATO. For example you would not find this:
www.theguardian.com/.../europe-can-no-longer-rely-on-us-for-security-says-emmanuel-macron
Nor would you see this:
www.reuters.com/.../
Nor would you see this:
www.france24.com/.../20210902-proposals-for-an-eu-army-re-emerge-after-afghan-pullout-%E2%80%93-but-many-remain-hard-to-convince
etc.. etc.. etc.. and that is just an EU perspective. Trumps stupidity cost USA much on the world stage. Most notably its reliability. If you forget then Trump broke a bunch of international agreements such as the Paris Climate Accord and the Iran Nuclear Deal. A country that breaks international agreements just because they have a different president can't be counted on. As such European countries can't be certain that USA would come to their assistance if they get attacked when it is all down to the personal mood of a future president that we can't predict.
There are also a whole bunch of other things they are accounting for. Point still stands, the world is provably moving away from USA reliance and this process was only hastened during Trumps presidency.
We’ve been hearing noises about an EU army for at least two decades. Nothing materializes, and mostEU nations don’t spend what they pledged to back in 2025, which makes it clear they’re content to rely on the US. And you haven’t taken the augmented threat from Russia into account, either. There is even talk of your weak homeland joining NATO, along with Finland.
For EU nations, “reliable” means the US continues to take care of its lazy dependencies and doesn’t ask much of them. But as I’ve made clear numerous times, the EU should be taking care of it’s own defense without US assistance. And I can’t wait until you find out that Germans have no interest in defending you.
The Iran nuclear deal and the Paris Climate Accord were never ratified by the US Senate and therefore we’re never treaties and never a part of US law. And since they were awful agreements that were damaging to the US economy and national security, Trump was right to repudiate them rather than continuing to please US-hating European leftists. If the only way to get countries to “like” us is to sell out our own national interests, I’ll pass. We don’t need US approval, and you won’t get better cooperation elsewhere (good luck getting China, India, Russia or Brazil to sell out their national interests).
@Avicenna You dont get it as normal. "Heard about it for a long time but nothing has happened" is a perfect way to measure the support for something. If the support increases then there is a change, like for example the change in the reliability of USA at which point people begins to look for alternatives. Like the EU army.
I am also taking the increased threat from Russia into account, in fact this is the primary focus. After all, if USA was reliable then why would we be afraid? The fact that we are afraid means we believe that USA will not or could not protect us. The fact that Sweden and Finland who went through THE ENTIRE COLD WAR without the need to join NATO might do so today speaks volumes about how dependable USA is in holding back Russia.
Its also worth mentioning that USA is not providing protection and stationing troops around the world as a kind gesture. Its the foundation of your status as a super power and providing uncountable material benefits to USA. Sending your boys packing back home is the same as cutting USA off at the knees. I am all in favor of it by the way.
Lastly, why on earth would OTHER FUCKING COUNTRIES care one little bit about what is written in US LAW? Its your fucking law, not ours. We care about your international agreements and obligations, not your laws.
@Soteris it’s funny hearing European “leaders” talking about security as millions of third worlders invade. It’s a joke and for people like Macron who have no children, it doesn’t really matter. His self-interest is all that matters to him. As with all things, every action has an opposite and equal reaction. These leaders foolishly call anyone who opposes them and their policies a terrorist, a racist, etc etc. they do not realize that they are the ones who have made Europe not secure both internally and externally. I lived many years in Europe and have seen its decline and crime stemming from the European leaders being serious about security — what a joke.
And of course, the true puppet masters ensure that Outfits such as the Guardian and Reuters back up what these leaders say.
When someone like Trump comes along and brings any of this up, he is immediately denounced and then the media outlets tell you that the US has “lost standing” - whatever that means. While Trump admittedly talked more than acting upon those words, his instincts were right on — he wasn’t bought and paid for like Merkel, Macron and Biden, which is why the media spent four years of lies and smear jobs.
@joesheks Now that is just objectively funny. Trump was not bought and paid for? He is the text book definition of compromised even if we ignore his corrupt personality. You pat his ego and give him some shinies and you will have him eating out of your hand without him even realizing how much of a beta he is.
As for the whole being invaded by millions of immigrants, its literally the (not so) secret plan of Europe to establish themselves as a super power. What Europe needs right now is more people. Its not even that important who those people are, we just need more of them, the more the better. These immigration waves is like activating a free money cheat in a game and you will see the countries who accept more immigrants than the others start to catapult themselves ahead economically in the decades to come.
The fact that one of those countries is Germany, well, its not like they were a slouch in the economic area in the first place. Likewise you can follow the steady and very predictable decline of the UK who is very much your anti-immigration and anti-EU country whom you claim is the cause of all the problems. Personally, I am pretty sure the UK will be relegated to complete irrelevance soon enough.
It depends on USA, I guess. Their attitude is yes or no alliance or enemy. Of course that include they claim "bad result" but the true each country develop muti-relationship.
As the vote about ukraine. USA want China to vote yes. It was happening in my committee. An indepned voter voted no, they ask them yes. Did they know that is vote system? no wondering trump event happened in USA therefore I doubt that is their habit or on purpose.
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No- but I think that's how it's going to be sold. World War 2 was sold that way, but the Allies had their share of humanitarian atrocities, too. Claims of nobility don't matter much if your actions don't back them up, and Canada, Australia, and New Zealand have already become authoritarian nightmares, with the US and UK not too far behind.
No we are not. Russia is fastly moving towards becoming a third world country. If they don't remove putin. Because he won't leave on his own accords. I keep seeing the conflict in Ukraine to keep going until Russia collapse again and the line cave, where Ukraine can push them back home. With that done they will not rest for long before they decide to take back the remaining land from rebels and Russia.
It's just short term, if you get those people into society they will work for your country and create value for it. So it's really only about how many can you manage at once and how much space and resources do you have to convert them into productive citizens. Most western countries would be in decline if it wasn't for the extra immigrants. Since the local birthrate is below replacement numbers.
@Adam1978 the west is in decline and third world immigrants don’t help. They are literally incapable of building or maintaining a first world society. As I said previously, nations don’t make people. I didn’t become who I am because I lived in a first world country. My ancestors literally build the first world countries from nothing. We already spend way more on these people than we receive in benefits. Imagine if Europeans and NE Asians all left for Mars and left the earth to everyone else. Can you imagine what that would looks like in 20 years or even 5 years?
@Adam1978 places like China and Japan and Iceland still exist because their people have remained intact. People create nations. You must admit that Europeans and NE Asian cultures are vastly superior to the rest. They were created by Europeans and NE Asians respectively. Why we would want person X from a society whose people could only create a Stone Age culture is beyond my comprehension. Of course, the business owner wants cheaper labor and the leftist wants a voting base. Hence, the stoking of racist rhetoric and calling evil anyone who simply wants to maintain his own culture. The truth is the US would be better without all the third world folks.. and Europe as well. They add very little and take much more
Once US reserve currency status is removed, the US bloc will count as 1/2 a bloc because all the manufacturing i. e. real capitalism, not ficticious capital, will be in China and their resource center, Russia. Tough noogies. Never should have followed the Bush family off the cliff
https://www.youtube.com/embed/VRr60nmDyu4@Wester1967 and Clinton and Bush and Obama..,
Yes, absolutely. The confiscation of foreign reserves violates the principle of sovereign immunity. This has done irreparable damage to the petrodollar agreement. For example, Saudi Arabia made a deal to sell oil to China in exchange for renminbi instead of dollars.
Nope. The UN sees that the West is steadily collapsing and is making China the new global superpower along with Russia as a sidekick. The long term goal is to enforce a global technocratic communist system that has been trialed in China already. The UN has been talking about this openly for years now and today we are witnessing the final push.
https://archive.ph/tc9aJ
When has it ever been different?
Also, there are no "Western countries" it's a myth that the US and EU are eye to eye - they are far from it. But they show a united front on some NATO matters is all.
China and Russia distrust each other way too much to ever be in one „bloc“. So the answer is no.
We are but I don't see how the western countires are not authoritarian. At least in Russia I can't say what I want without being canceled or censored. There I have acess to all news cannels and is pretty much free to do whatever want
Many western countries are authoritarian regimes (Canada, US).
Yes and what’s even more funny is the west is pushing them together and literally forcing them to.
yep, far east/Asian and West . Two different economies and systems , which anti christ must change back to one.
i doubt it. china and russia can't keep it together long enough to make a bloc and it would be so obviously inferior
Is that the two blocs? Authoritarian vs Western? We could make a lot of dichotomies then.
I feel yes As I say who is to blame. The American voters
Nope, there's no big blocs anymore.
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Nonthing settle yet
Haven't we always?
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