Is anyone else getting sick of listening to women whining and complaining about their right to kill babies?

[msc545]

As soon as women get worried about my right to refuse to be a father or my right to refuse to put my life on the line in the military because the government wants me to then I will start worrying about women's rights. Until then don't expect much from me. If you are so interested in killing go join the military they will be happy to accommodate you.

[1step]

I really don't like the idea of women getting to call the shots of me being a father or not I have no say in the matter and on top of all killing someone is bad do I have to spell it out it is ok to abort if they are underage or they have genuine reason but I personally don't like the idea of a person I spent a night with getting to call such an important shot in my life

[UCrayCray]

Women only get that power when you give it to them. 🤷‍♀️

[1step]

I am just saying either both should get equal say or no one should

[UCrayCray]

You can have equal say when you have to subject your body to equal risk.
Fair?

[msc545]

@UCrayCray 18+ years of labor to pay your ass probably constitutes "equal risk" if not more. Somehow women always forget this.

[1step]

All I am saying with one say a man can loose his child and on in one say he has to take a responsibility for which he wasn't ready

[1step]

If women want power to take a step back from their responsibility men should have that right too

[UCrayCray]

@1step
Abortion is taking responsibility.

[1step]

No it's getting rid of it

[UCrayCray]

Sometimes…. that’s the responsible thing to do.
Even if it gives you the sads

[1step]

If the reasons are good then yes but just for the sake of being free🤨

[UCrayCray]

And who determines what is a “good reason?” The people directly involved who have to live with the consequences of their choices? Or some stranger who has no connection to the situation?

[1step]

Everyone knows it and I hope you don't mean father by the term stranger

[msc545]

There are no fathers. Just debtors.

[t-8900]

Women don't even give men bodily autonomy so not sure what they're complaining about. How many of them circumcise their newborn baby boys?

[t-8900]

Oh and Moms Demand Action, an all women's group is trying to disarm men so yeah... again I fail to see what they are talking about with men trying to control women.

[MzAsh]

Tell these uptight conservatives to quit poking the bear. Otherwise, you’ll be hearing more about it. And it will get a lot worse before it gets better. Women will fight this tooth and nail.

[KrakenAttackin]

@MzAsh. You mean poking the cootchie. Society is getting tired of females having zero accountability.

[MzAsh]

Society is going to be even more tired of the outcomes if they keep it up.

[KrakenAttackin]

@MzAsh. Like what? A sex strike? Ha ha ha ha?

[MzAsh]

Many possibilities. If you’re someone who is pro life, and you think abortion is “murdering babies”…think about it. If women are capable of murdering babies due to unwanted pregnancy, what else could they be capable of when their sovereignty is challenged?

[KrakenAttackin]

@MzAsh. So, we should recognize that pro choice women are potential murders. Got it.

[MzAsh]

I just know it could get pretty terrible. And I can’t blame them.

[msc545]

You all hire men and a few women to murder babies. I imagine most guys can handle that "threat". What will you do, kill us all with vacuum lines and crushing forceps?

[KrakenAttackin]

@MzAsh. The truth is, "strong and powerful women", cease to exist with a flat tire.

[msc545]

@KrakenAttackin you have to admit it's sort of funny to be threatened by little girls.

[KrakenAttackin]

@msc545. Agreed. Girls threatening some larger action is full on "LOL".

[MzAsh]

It wasn’t so funny when you created this thread saying how “sick of it” you are. Again, it’s getting under your skin. You’ll get used to it.

[KrakenAttackin]

@MzAsh. Go ahead and start your feminist rebellion.

[UCrayCray]

@KrakenAttackin
“Society is getting tired of females having zero accountability” 🤔
All those women out there. Getting pregnant all by themselves. Have they no shame?

[KrakenAttackin]

@UCrayCray Men have complete accountability. Get some random chick knocked up and she owns your ass for at least 18 years.

[UCrayCray]

@KrakenAttackin
“females having zero accountability.”
“Men have complete accountability.”
🙄 Give it a rest. You’re not the victim you think you are.

[coffee_hates_me]

I assume you are pro choice and I agree with you a 100%; I'm pro-choice. I do think abortion is murder and life begins at conception, but at the same time, the real world is NOT as perfect as the ideal that our morals and ethics are. I support abortions at the special cases, but personally, I wouldn't want to have, and don't support casual and unnecessary abortions. If my partner wants an unnecessary abortion, there's not much I can do to stop them; I don't own them. But after that happens, I'll probably break up w them or divorce them, if they actually plan on using that in place of birth control.

Many of us will inevitably encounter dilemmas and situations that are equally immoral but a choices must be made either way, like the trolley problem. Such situations disenchant us from the illusion that we can be perfectly moral/ethical at all times. Don't coerce someone to do something that is sure to or highly likely to kill them, is one ideal/moral i have but conversely, killing innocent babies is murder. I'd rather not the baby be born to suffer a high chance of living a terrible childhood or life, than the mother, at her own discretion, terminate her pregnancy and live the rest of her life however she sees fit

[KrakenAttackin]

@coffee_hates_me A woman who will kill her own child will never be a suitable partner for anything.

[KrakenAttackin]

@UCrayCray Don't you have a baby to kill?

[coffee_hates_me]

@UCrayCray

[coffee_hates_me]

"All those women out there. Getting pregnant all by themselves. Have they no shame?"
Loved this sarcasm; got me laughing hysterically

[UCrayCray]

@KrakenAttackin
“Don't you have a baby to kill?”
What are you? A 5 year old?

[UCrayCray]

@KrakenAttackin
“The truth is, "strong and powerful women", cease to exist with a flat tire.”
The truth is “strong and powerful men” cease to exist with a shitty diaper. 🤷‍♀️

[MzAsh]

Cray that is the truth. Any man who won’t change a diaper doesn’t deserve to be a father, or have a say in abortion. Fuck that.

[UCrayCray]

@coffee_hates_me
You ain’t seen nothing yet 😁

[UCrayCray]

@MzAsh
I have known some men who absolutely refused to change the diapers of their own children. But it’s only women who are weak when they need someone else to do something for them.
They need to get the fuck out of here with that bullshit.

[Uannoyme]

I think men should be able to decide if they want to be responsible for a child in the same time frame when a woman can have an abortion. If they aren't made aware until after, they should be able to decide when they find out. It isn't fair that a woman is able to have the option to decide she doesn't want to be responsible for a child but a man can't. The woman shouldn't be deciding for them both. I know this is an unpopular opinion.

[Agagagagaga]

Remember who is responsible for this.

The Democrats could have codified this into law a long time ago.

Remember when Obama said it would be the “very first” thing he does when got into office? I mean he had a Democrat super majority in Congress. He could’ve got it done.

Biden too said enshrining Roe into law would be the first thing he did as President. But again, like Obama, they decided it wasn’t a priority.

Now 9 people—three women, a black man, and a Latina—mother’s and fathers of different political backgrounds, get found out for overturning Roe...

And it’s the fault of Republicans? All tens of millions of us?

Hoo-kay.

I’m pro-choice and I’m not happy about the decision, but can we at least blame the right people? Is that so much to ask?

[UCrayCray]

You know, if certain people would have just let us alone, we wouldn’t even be talking about this. But, unfortunately, there are some people in powerful positions who seem to think the inside of a woman’s body is in need of government regulations.
The equivalent of that isn’t the right to abandon the children you make with women who don’t choose abortion. Mandatory vasectomies would be more in line with abortion bans, in my opinion. And they are less evasive and less risky than pregnancy and child birth.
Think you might be bitching if that’s what they were deciding at the end of June?

[HollyK21]

I love this response and would really like to hear with OP has to say. OP, would you be fine with a mandatory vasectomy if this bill passed? Sounds about fair to me.

[msc545]

@ucraycray Not paying you is not the same as abandoning a child. Get a job if you want a baby.

[msc545]

"My right to control my body" is code for "My right to be a murderer".

[KrakenAttackin]

@ucraycray When women show the ability to act with personal responsibility, men won't have to regulate your bodies. Until than, sorry, not sorry.

[UCrayCray]

@KrakenAttackin
Lmao.
And who the fuck are getting these women pregnant? Why is that behavior not in the radar for regulation. Until that also becomes part of the conversation, you’re just looking to place blame where is doesn’t reflect on you.
Makes you dishonest and easily dismissed.
Sorry, not sorry

[KrakenAttackin]

@ucraycray. Men are held accountable for getting a woman pregnant, both in civil and criminal law. A man who doesn't pay child support will end up in prison.

Start making better decisions and we won't be forced to control your body.

[UCrayCray]

@KrakenAttackin
You seem to be under the impression that women are not held to the same standard when things are reversed. There are times, maybe not in your mind, but certainly in the real world, when women are the ones paying the child support. They have to follow the law or be held liable just the same as men. So forcing child support is not the equivalent of forcing birth. I know you want it to be the same, but it’s just not.
You want to override the rights of people to prevent abortion? Why is my uterus okay to regulate, but your nuts are off limits? Because, just to remind you, women do not get pregnant all by themselves.

[KrakenAttackin]

@HollyK21 I didn't delete anything.

[KrakenAttackin]

Vasectomy means a man can never have a child. Abortion let's a girl forget stupidly taking pipe in the bathroom stall of a club.

[UCrayCray]

@KrakenAttackin
Nah! Vasectomies are reversible

[HollyK21]

It must’ve been msc545 then lol not even a serious enough comment to be deleted🙃

[KrakenAttackin]

@HollyK21 Of course you love this response. Anything to shift responsibility from you

[KrakenAttackin]

@ucraycray. How many women go to jail for not paying child support? Also, for women who scream about not being able to "find a good man", you girls sure are pregnant a lot. Stop being a whore and you won't have to think about abortion. Easy breezy. Until than we will have to regulate your childish and selfish actions.

[KrakenAttackin]

I do agree that we need effective male birth control, but feminist lobby's have stalled this. Taking the power of "baby trap" away from women would seriously reduce female power.

[msc545]

Child support orders are made but not enforced against women.

[msc545]

Male birth control that didn't kill us would be most welcome.

Also, I note that we control the bodies of murderers and other criminals by putting them in prison because it is too dangerous to let them run free. Women who obtain abortions and people who perform them are no different, so yes, we control your bodies if we can because you are murderers and a danger to unborn children.

[UCrayCray]

@KrakenAttackin
Child support laws are applicable to both parents. If the courts are not holding women accountable to the same extent, it’s a system problem. One that needs to be fixed, among many other problems that we would probably agree need addressing. But the laws are meant to be applied equally.
Again, the fantasy world you have envisioned doesn’t actually reflect the reality. It’s not just “whores” who are faced with situations where they might need to consider abortion, nor are those who support their right to choose. I understand your need to demonize these women so you can hold the opinions you do, but understand you are arguing against your fantasies and not the realities. The fact the I have to explain that to you further proves you are in no position to be calling anybody childish.

[HollyK21]

lol you two talk like roe v wade getting overturned has been set in stone, it’s not so relax. Also, your only arguments seem to surround promiscuous women but what about the ones who literally cannot carry a baby to full term and their lives are at risk? Or rape victims? Or little girls sexually assaulted by relatives/family friends and happen to get pregnant at 10-11 when their periods start? What happens to these unwanted babies after they’re born? They get thrown into the system. Are you two actively doing anything to support children is the system now? 9/10 their lives are horrible because they are abused, molested, etc by foster parents, and the ones who really want kids have to go through the wringer and pay a crazy amount to even adopt. You weirdos are likely the same ones arguing about the covid vax and your right to refuse a shot but want to police women’s bodies. What a joke.

[UCrayCray]

How about a BC method that screws up your body chemistry and can cause all kinds of long term effects? Would you be willing to use something like that?
Locking up criminals isn’t controlling their bodies. It’s controlling their freedom of movement.
If you started forced organ donations for all prisoners, that would be the same as forcing women to have babies.
And abortion is not murder. That’s an emotional argument, and not really worthy of a serious response.

[msc545]

The fact that child support laws are not uniformly enforced against women (and in actual fact seldom are) is a result of the "white knight" attitude of many men in the Judiciary and Law Enforcement. I note that feminists do not object to this in the name of equity or anything else.

[UCrayCray]

@msc545
“Child support orders are made but not enforced against women.”
Ever?

[msc545]

very infrequently if at all in Los Angeles county.

[Screamsgutter]

Do women go into the bedroom (or wherever) not fully aware of their current financial/social status, or at least with little to no knowledge that, considering their current status, a child would be unaffordable for them/bad for the child's best interests and maybe unprotected sex isn't the best option? Or just to make sure the guys they're choosing to get it on with are wearing condoms? And if they're not, that they'd better or there will be no panky hanky of that sort? Or to use one of the, I dunno, eleven forms of birth control available to them?

[KrakenAttackin]

@msc545. There was an experimental stint that was inserted below below the scrotal sack which somehow killed off sperm before it was released, like a male IUD of sorts. Imagine if men were suddenly no longer in fear or being baby trapped? Also, a man could have this implanted and never tell women. Let her try to baby trap you! Feminist have killed these inventions.

[msc545]

@KrakenAttackin Very interesting - do you have a link for more information on that? Also - we have to keep[ in mind that we can be victims of a false accusation of rape or sexual assault even if we cannot make babies.

[goaded]

Can you imagine the whining if SCOTUS decided that the "well regulated militia" part of the second amendment wasn't put in there just for fun and that anyone who wanted to own guns had to be accepted into the chain of command first? Not that that's ever going to happen, because there have been many SCOTUS precedents.

Republicans have been plotting for 50 years to take away the right for a woman to have bodily autonomy. Now it's happening. It's something to get upset about.

[Jamie05rhs]

Militias regulate themselves. That's the whole point of a militia. It's a private organization. The ones sponsored by the government are called the National Guard.

[goaded]

@Jamie05rhs 48 states have constitutional requirement that the military answer to the civil government. Twenty-nine states have statutes that prohibit groups of people from organizing as private military units without the authorization of the state government, and SCOTUS confirmed in Heller that the Second Amendment “does not prevent the prohibition of private paramilitary organizations.”. Twenty-five states (not all the same ones as above) have statutes that make it illegal for individuals to teach others how to use firearms, explosives, or techniques capable of causing injury or death, or to assemble to train or practice with such firearms, explosives, or techniques, knowing or intending to further a civil disorder.

Also, "as long as the government provides for free elections and trials by jury, "political self-defense" cannot be undertaken".

[KrakenAttackin]

@goaded. Abortion isn't written anywhere in the Constitution or Bill of Rights. Maybe if a few more liberals actually READ these documents they wouldn't say so many stupid things.

[t-8900]

@KrakenAttackin precisely

[Jamie05rhs]

@goaded Nice try. The Supreme Court is literally PART OF the government. They are the enabler to the oppressor.

Do you really think they would actually give people verbal or written permission to revolt?
https://youtu.be/yjjoGjh9xM8

[OldSchool_Metalhead]

Im getting sick of both sides whining about it. They both have their points. A woman's body isn't someone elses, but her own. But men also no less have a right to decide if they wanna be a father or not.

Now i shall leave this shitshow with a song about the horrific side of the abortion process and laugh at how people will get whiny with me about it.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/toMmX0OAm4E

[Shamalien]

Yup. I get it, what it means to be a woman is completely altered if they cannot abort…

and that’s the way it should be. It is not in alignment with natural law to kill the innocent for convenience. If I get a girl pregnant…well I had my fun. I should be held to account

[Esperanto]

The problem is that there are to many women invested in all this kinds of BS. I bet not many women engineers go out every day to whine about abortion, Its just that a hammer sees everything as a nail. Imagine taking 3 years of college talking about killing snails, you would talk about that all day. Abortion for just 2 or 3 months , after that, its murder.

[exitseven]

Truthfully, it is getting a little tiresome but what else can democrats do to distract everyone from how we are going to hell in a handbasket. ?

[msc545]

it is tiresome but women are going to keep whining and complaining anyway.

[exitseven]

yes, they are demonstration today.

[Pudsmucker]

I too am getting tired of the CBM women about their rights. I have a crying towel though, I can share that

[Smashingdoozy]

Man walked face first into the point and still missed it

[Juxtapose]

I'm getting sick of men trying to subjugate women over fucking zygotes that they won't lift a finger to help once it's born 🤷‍♂️

[KrakenAttackin]

@Juxtapose. Maybe you should write a letter to your Congressman, LOL.

[t-8900]

when men subjugated women they didn't allow them to speak, locked them up, overpowered them, etc. This isn't subjugation, that's pure hyperbole. Only in the deepest, darkest, backwards societies in sh*thole countries in the third world is that even a thing or a desire to be a thing by men.

[Juxtapose]

Forcing women to carry out a pregnancy is subjugation.

[t-8900]

I didn't see the cages and barb wired fences. Must have missed them

[Screamsgutter]

@t-8900 Yeah, I missed them too. Was it during the same time when women weren't 'allowed' to work? Which they were. Or weren't 'allowed' to go to college? Which they were. Or weren't 'allowed' to have credit cards? Or bank accounts? Which they could, but if they were denied it was simply for logical reasons and not suppression.

[Screamsgutter]

t-8900 - this is actually a response to Juxtapose. When I answered your post, it was with agreement.

[KrakenAttackin]

@Juxtapose. Forcing a man to pay for a child that may not be his is subjugation.

[Juxtapose]

@KrakenAttackin agreed! Give men the option to opt out.

[Juxtapose]

@t-8900 uhh they *do* get locked up if they terminate the pregnancy.

You want to lock women up over killing zygotes to control their own bodies.. dude lol.

Is a seed a tree?

[t-8900]

not in the USA and also why are you stealing other people's arguments. Try your own.

[Juxtapose]

@t-8900 you're stealing other people's words, make up your own language ;)

[msc545]

Forcing men to pay for children they didn't agree to have and don't want is also subjugation.

[t-8900]

@Juxtapose weakest argument I've ever heard. Using a language is not the same as having an original thought. Try sometime, if possible.

[Juxtapose]

Whatever, keep trying to justify forcing pregnancies like a moron 🤷‍♂️

[supercutebutt]

I think you are beginning to lose your mind, dude.

[coffee_hates_me]

peaches_like_me

[KrakenAttackin]

@supercutebutt. Don't you have a selfie to take?

[OddBeMe]

How do you know fetuses are babies?

[msc545]

What else could they be? Come on - you can ask better questions than this.

[OddBeMe]

Here fetuses. Are seeds plants?

[OddBeMe]

Just cuz they eventually turn into people doesn’t mean they automatically are.

[msc545]

This is tiresome. We are not going to agree.

[KrakenAttackin]

@OddBeMe "How do you know fetuses are babies"?

This from an ideology that can't even define what a 'woman" is.

[t-8900]

@KrakenAttackin f*cking savage! XD

[KrakenAttackin]

Well said.

[Baredog69]

Agreed

[FinalFantasyBro]

Don't Care

[reiina]

not your body !

[KrakenAttackin]

@reiina. Doesn't matter, when you act in an irresponsible manner we have to regulate you with laws. Sorry, not sorry.

[reiina]

@KrakenAttackin because having a baby when you not ready and dont have a job and money is so much responsible.
plus you a men. how many men just run away when the girl is pregnant? dont talk about irresponsible we are when you men are way more

[KrakenAttackin]

@reiina. Since women act like small children (with a woman's body), you will be treated like small children.

[reiina]

@KrakenAttackin funny how you say the same things without looking at my reply. you're blocked

[msc545]

blocking people won't help you, child.

[reiina]

i do not engage myself in stupid conversation with people who don't take in consideration my reply and try to diminush me by calling me child.

[UCrayCray]

@KrakenAttackin
“Don’t you have a baby to kill”
You’re hardly in a place to be calling out others for acting like small children.