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I’m loving all the liberal idiots who keep pouting. They keep saying “ I’ve lost all faith in Americans.” Guess what? No one gives a shit what you think is vital for this country. Get over yourself. You’re not that important and you’re not that smart.
Women have real legit fears and reality, that men don't have so much. They are a bug stairing in the face of a windshield, even if it's not much of a change in reality. You'd think food and shelter are top... but consider the consequence of their behavior or misfortune leading to an 18 to 25 year sentence they aren't ready for?
They are afraid of being an adult. That is a parenting issue...
Can you handle the fear of committing to a woman all your priority and $, to find out she is totally nuts and rakes you over the coals for a decade or two?
Human rights are more important than groceries. This should be obvious.
Imagine being back in the war for American independence and saying "But all this revolutionary talk is making my cheese more expensive!" You got your priorities fucked up.
Not gonna beat that reply. Well said.
Killing babies is not a human right
"babies" lol
A human right is bodily autonomy though.
@mandyfire98 Even if we take him on his own words and this question was actually about murdering babies, which is insanely stupid, he would still be here arguing for gas prices and groceries above the supposed genocide of babies and their human rights.
Right wing people are not very smart.
@mandyfire98 nice blocking me. can’t handle someone who disagrees with you? Why don’t you go back to middle school?
@syntosi says the guy who supports policies that destroy the country he lives in
@asker
If she blocked you then your messages will be redacted. Nice try though.
Also you can accuse me of whatever I suppose but at least I am consistent. I dont start bitching about the actually good economic inflation of groceries when I am supposedly upset about the other side murdering babies. Again, your priorities are all fucked up.
@syntosi no, they aren’t. Not in the eyes of sane people at least.
I’m not anti abortion just because I support Trump
Funny. Looks like most poll voters feel the same as me. You are the one who has your priorities fucked up.
Right…. so the popular vote only matters when it benefits you guys? Interesting
I know what it means don’t try to assert your superior intelligence
@Adel50 I’m waiting for an answer. Looks like he doesn’t have anything
@Adel50 The right to an abortion comes from the human right of bodily autonomy. If you have bodily autonomy, which is the right to your own body, then you by extension have the right to performing an abortion on your own body. The right to an abortion is not a separate right, its just one case of where bodily autonomy applies.
@syntosi bodily autonomy applies only IF no other living being is affected by your actions. Tattoos? Sure, you have freedom of bodily autonomy. Drug use? Sure, you have freedom of bodily autonomy. Pregnancy? Not the same. It is not solely YOU who is being affected. Abortion should NOT be encouraged. it should be a last resort. Not something you have a “right” to simply because the baby inconveniences you. You see this is what being an adult looks like
@asker
The problem with what you just said is that fetuses are not considered to be human beings. End of story pretty much. All the arguments of having heart beats, brain activity, the potential to grow into a human etc.. has all been considered decades ago and refuted completely. This is a 100% settled debate which no one has brought anything new worth reconsidering for as long as I have been alive.
So yeah, by our current understanding of biology that makes the fetus an extension of the womans body and therefore falls under her bodily autonomy which gives her the right to an abortion without having to declare any reason or justification for it.
@syntosi you libs really are psychopaths
@Adel50 There are many things inside your body that by your definition would not be considered your body. Humans are both a multicellular life form which means we are a colony of individual cells and we also have an entire biosphere living inside of us which is important for our continuing survival.
If for example I were to destroy all the mitochondria inside your cells which is an entirely separate species with its own DNA then you would die shortly after.
Again, we have had this conversation long ago and everything you believe and are going to respond to me has already been said previously as well as completely refuted. You are wrong, plain and simple.
@Adel50 Honestly I am not sure what you specifically believe in but every one of them has another analogue in your own body which means that nothing would make the fetus unique in this. For example, about half your body does not have a human DNA, gut bacteria for example lives completely independently of you but is partially responsible for digesting your food. We have neurons AKA brain matter in more places than just the head such as in the stomach which means a fetuses brain activity is not unique either not to mention within the timeframe where we allow abortions this brain activity is meaningless signals without a conscious mind behind it. If we are talking about the potential for life then sperm or unfertilized eggs also qualify.
I could go on but again, this debate has already been settled. There is nothing more you could possibly add.
@syntosi you’re right , it is over. The verdict is in. Most Americans agree people like you are nut jobs. that’s why the left lost on every single metric
That is not the flex you think it is. Trumps voted did not really improve since 2020 when he lost against Biden. As such Biden would easily have won with his previews votes. Saying that Trump won because people lost faith in democracy and did not bother to vote is not really giving you the mandate you think it does.
Biden never won. he was installed like an appliance
@Adel50 "But a foetus isn't your body, it just happens to be inside your body." and extrapolating from that you are trying to make the argument that the fetus is separate from the mother due to some form of unique trait.
You are not the first person who has tried to make this type of argument so I have a whole list of specific unique traits that people like you have tried to use to define the fetus as unique from the mother. Of course, maybe you just arbitrarily decided the fetus is separate for no other reason than you said so, at which point I arbitrarily refute you regardless.
If you want to be more specific, go ahead and give me your best shot for why the fetus is a unique and separate entity from the mother.
@midnightmoon05 Oh, I have always intended to move to another country. I mean I would be a fool not to consider the fact that I am a privileged person with the ability to choose exactly where in the world I want to live. America just is not that great, what with all the issues with quality control and pollution not to mention the lack of services and just that people are not happy.
Just looking at the happiness index:
worldpopulationreview.com/.../happiest-countries-in-the-world
If moving to a different country basically automatically makes me more happy then quite frankly that is all the reasons I would need to move.
You are still complaining… leave.
@Adel50 No, you have plenty of things that is considered part of your body that is not physically connected but as a starting off point it becomes hard to argue against it.
Also before we continue this, let me just bring you up to speed with the abortion debate since you appear to be a few decades behind. Even though this conversation regarding if the fetus is part of the mothers body or not is undoubtedly very exciting and informative, I regret to inform you that even if you do what no one has been able to do and prove that the fetus in fact IS part of the womans body that will still not be an argument against abortion.
You see, bodily autonomy is.. how should I put this.. an "absolute right". You have the right to your bodily integrity even if it causes someone else to die. Hypothetically speaking, if you considered the fetus as a separate human person then that would still mean that the woman has the right to remove it from her body and let them die. Yes, that means that there actually is a moral argument for abortion up until the moment of birth.
If you want to know more about this then I will just direct you towards the famous violinist thought experiment.
@midnightmoon05 Look who is complaining? Leave this conversation. You have nothing more to contribute.
@syntosi please do. I can assure you we won’t miss you
The comparison in your comment is a total fallacy, you and your leftist cult are just too stupid to see it
You are not worth my time.
We will clap 👏 when you buy your one way ticket to leave this country.
@Adel50 ... Are you serious? You do know about evolution right? You do know that evolution produces more useless bodily process than useful ones right? Your body is completely chock-full of useless parts doing useless things because millions of years ago your ancestors might have used it for something.. maybe..
Humans are not perfectly or efficient machines. We were not specifically designed.
@Adel50 Humans have a tail during their fetal development as well as the bodily functions to properly grow a tail under certain circumstances. I doubt you have much use for your tailbone at the current moment.
Wisdom teeth are also vestigial (that is the word for things that are useless or almost useless) and used to be important when our ancestors had bigger jaws and ate more vegetation.
Humans also have a huge amount of worthless muscles that are either too weak to do anything or attached in such a way that they dont do anything anymore.
And since you are a guy, your nipples. They might work for women but you are a guy aren't you? Why do you have nipples?
There are also behavioral traits that we keep that does not serve any purpose anymore. Goosebumps for example or hickups.
@Syntosi The tailbone supports your weight and anchor other types of tissue throughout your body. For example, the Gluteus maximus, the Levator ani, and the muscles in your anus. Your tailbone also supports tendons and ligaments that connect to other structures around it (Cleveland Clinic).
Vestigial structures are features of an organism that are considered to have lost much or all of their original function through evolution (Osmosis). This means that at some point, it was required for normal body processes. If wisdom teeth erupt into their proper positions, they can provide support in the back of your mouth and preserve bone in your jaw (Cleveland Clinic).
Males have nipples because of the way that embryos develop in the initial weeks after gestation (Verywell Health). This is a remnant of embryonic development, since differentiation of the sexes doesn't occur until the sixth or seventh week of pregnancy. This "might" be an anomaly, but nonetheless, remains an organ.
I don't care about behavioural traits. I'm concerned with body parts.
@Adel50 The tailbone supports the weight in so-much as its just there. Its not its purpose and we would be completely fine, if not better without it.
And yes, vestigial structures are things we inherit from previous ancestors but evolution also produces truly useless things which may in the future become useful such as mutations.
Point is that you are not our species. You have no use for your ancestors having more teeth or a tail. On your body they are traits that are completely useless and yet your body spends time and resources to develop them. Likewise your nipples dont have a function as a man yet your body spends precious time and resources to fully develop all the components for functional breasts.
These are body parts that on you does not serve a function.
@Adel50 Your tailbone has never had a function. Your ancestors tails would have but they are not your body. And no, your vestigial organs has nothing to do with normal bodily functions or processes. You would not notice them if they were gone and your body would probably perform better without all that junk uselessly attached to it.
And no, I do not consider them physically being there and thus having to be attached to muscles or tissues as having a purpose.
@Adel50 I dont understand why you keep attributing your ancestors usage of a vestigial organ as if you yourself are somehow involved. You are not your ancestors. Your body has never had use for vestigial organs.
Also mutations are far more common than you think and they also keep happening throughout your life, such as developing cancer.
@Syntosi Because my ancestors were human, not just me. It's like saying why should I have legs if I have a spinal condition that renders me paralyzed. It doesn't stop other people from having legs. It's the same reasoning. My ancestors were human, and they had the need for such vestigial organs.
Developing cancer isn't a mutation that involves developing an unneeded body part. Mutations like growing an extra finger or toe, for example, are rare. Cancer isn't a relevant example.
@Adel50 Most of your ancestors are not humans, they were precursors to humans and that is where your vestigial organs would have come from. And again, we are talking about what is part of YOUR normal body processes. Otherwise we might just consider the fetus as a vital part of your normal body process that connects you to your ancestors and which they "had the need for such vestigial organs" to produce you.
And I used cancer as a very obvious example of something that is both useless and which randomly develops later in life over time rather than be part of you from being a fetus.
@Adel50 That is not what they meant but sure, lets just think a moment on what DNA is.
DNA is instructions for the operations of the cell. What would happen if DNA became damaged? The cell would lose its ability to operate. What happens when a cell loses its ability to operate? It dies. Do cancer cells die? No, they live and replicate. Is the DNA in cancer cells still functional? Yes, they are still able to live and to replicate.
The DNA in cancer cells are not damaged. What NIH meant is that the original information of the DNA was "damaged" until the information became something else. In other words, a mutation.
@Syntosi Yes I know. That's why I said "certain genes in DNA responsible for the growth and development of cells". The genes are the part of the DNA that contains the information you're talking about. And something being damaged doesn't necessarily inhibit the initial function. For example, the tire in your car enables it to move. If the tire is damaged (like having a flat tire), the tire will still enable the car to move, not just properly. So damaged doesn't mean the end of function, it just means it wouldn't function properly. Same with cancer cells.
@Adel50 No that is not what a cancer cell is. There is nothing physically wrong with a cancer cell. It is a software failure, not a hardware failure. If we take your car example then the car itself is perfectly fine with all 4 wheels in normal condition, but the software in the car has been corrupted and changed how the car works. Biologically speaking the cancer cells are perfectly healthy, they just dont perform a useful task in the body anymore and in fact will accidentally kill it.
@Syntosi I'm not an expert in cancer biology, nor do I pretend I am. But I do know that my statements are consistent with the NIH, whereas you don't even know what you're talking about. Like you said, "the original information of the DNA was 'damaged' until the information became something else. In other words, a mutation.", which is exactly what I have said. But then you contradict yourself by saying "There is nothing physically wrong with a cancer cell."
The information is stored in the DNA through genes, which are chemical expression. The information is not some abstract concept that we would think about in our minds. It has a physical basis, and you just don't know what you're saying.
@Adel50 The original information of the DNA was CHANGED. If I go onto your PC and change the name of all your desktop shortcuts to "dipshit" does not mean I have "damaged" your PC. There is nothing physically wrong with your PC, the physical hardrive containing 1's and 0's still contain 1's and 0's, no matter how many icons that reads "dipshit" to your face. Your CPU still hums along, your fans still spin, the graphics card still runs, the keyboard still functions etc.. But some aspect of the computer has been changed.
Likewise, cancer cells are still entirely functional but their programming is changed. More specifically, in regards to their division and such.
A cancer cell needs to be healthy and have a fully functional set of DNA to be a cancer cell. If the DNA is "damaged" or "broken" then that would prevent it from being read or acted upon. If the DNA is not being read then the cell can't do things like cell divisions which is what a fucking cancer cell does.
Like honestly. Why do you and people like you insist on taking positions on things that you have not only no understanding of, but literally negative understanding of? You would be closer to the truth if you knew nothing about how any of this works than what you currently are.
@Adel50 Because it does not mean what you think it means and continuing to use simplified language is actively harming your ability to understand what is going on.
Remember, we were talking about normal bodily functions and mutations. Your argument is that cancer is not considered a normal part of someones body because it is "damaged" or whatever, when that is not true.
Banning abortion does more harm than good in the fallout of doctors being unable to perform necessary terminations in cases of miscarriages or ectopic pregnancies for fear of being jailed and/or losing their job. Trump being in charge won’t change inflation unless he’s willing to feed his own money into the economy for that specific purpose
Trump won’t be banning abortion
He handpicked the judges that overturned the federal abortion ban, and chose them with that exact intention
*abortion rights, I’ve been arguing on this app for too long
"There has to be some kind of punishment for that" DJT
@cupcakethedestroyer I'm a Conservative, but I think the overthrow of Roe Vs Wade was a colossal political error by the court and the Republicans. Roe vs Wade stood for nearly 50 years and overturning it was just plain stupid.
Now it send the abortion issue back to the individual states to make their own stupid decisions., but overall I support abortion rights to a point. If a baby can survive outside the womb, it should not be terminated. THAT is murder.
Well I'm not a greedy as bitch so I don't care about money but I do care about people and their rights
And by the way it's dumb if you really think Trump will magically stop inflation and make gas/groceries cheap. He says things like that then won't follow through with it
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I can understand women's concerns.
People who want to ban abortions are total ass holes. So are people who want to ban gun ownership. I wouldn't vote for someone who wanted to ban guns.
I wish those do-gooder motherfuckers would fuck themselves to death.
I never said I want to ban abortion, old man. Jesus fucking Christ
As you put it
"Guess what? No one gives a shit what you think is vital for this country. Get over yourself. You’re not that important and you’re not that smart."
Well put. Nothing is better than when their own words apply to them. Ironic.
7 more states voted in the right to have an abortion this year, 3 other states voted to not allow that.
So now there are more than half of the states that will allow and abortion, 34 of them.
It is up to the individual states to decide, not the federal government.
Yeah because human rights are subject to geography! 🙄
@DrPepper12 nope, they are decided on by the voters of each state as to what is or is not legal.
There is nothing stopping anyone to simply drive/move to a different state that suits their preference.
Again, HUMAN rights. They're complete and non negotiable.
@DrPepper12 having an abortion is not a human right simply because you say it is
@drpepper12 abortion subverts the very concept of rights
Well just disagree then.
You think it stops with just abortion? How naive you are. How old are you really though?
A lot older and more experienced in life than you are sweetheart.
Then why are you so naive?
What makes you think I’m naive? Because I don’t think the same way you do? Yikes. Someone clearly doesn’t know what naive means
It means you actually believe if they start taking some rights away you believe they'll actually say "ok that's enough we're done here"
Always worked well in the past. Not a student of history I see.
Would you prefer gullible then?
Nice projection. Who is president has nothing to do with abortion rights. Abortion rights are determined on a state level. Want to be able to make an abortion? Live in a state that allows it. Pretty simple.
And the president doesn't influence governors at all?
Yet again. Naive
Sure just up and move overnight even if there's an incident where it's a medical emergency that needs to be removed but the woman dies like it's been happening in Texas.
Sure. Easy peasy.
But you're not a woman so why the fuck would you care?
Well here we are again back to "killing Babies" ... I love to hear this ongoing Mantra, regarding abortion rights as the 'Killing babies' theme. Get a life.
Because that’s what it is
I’m deeply disturbed by how many people are more concerned with gas and groceries than they are preventing young women from death and disability.
That’s less than 1% of abortions. Stop kidding yourself
Source? Maternal mortality rates went up in my state by over 50% because of abortion bans. And yes I have a source for that. You first go ahead and drop where did you hear that 1% bullshit?
Even Texas, one of the most anti abortion states out there, still allows abortion in circumstances where the life of the pregnant woman is at risk.
Source for that 1% claim? Or admit you pulled it out of your ass. Even if there's "exceptions" abortion bans still kill people—by the time they are excepted it is often too late. Stop kidding YOURself.
Fine I pulled it out of my ass
No I'm not happy, there are still people dying because of this stupid argument. Abortion has always been medical care and it's ridiculous that its been turned into a culture war issue now.
thebeaconnews.org/.../
"The data, sourced from the Centers for Disease Control and the March of Dimes, found that maternal death rates from 2018 to 2020 were 62% higher in states that restricted abortion in some way than in states that had more open access."
I’m deeply disturbed by how many on GaG are more concerned with being anonymous than they are being able to stand by their words. Anyone else?
So they approve of abortion over food shopping? Is that the question?
Being anonymous is irrelevant, but nice try. I always go anon for anything political or sexual. don’t like it? Well, that’s your issue. You are the crowd that is destroying this country
But babies taste SO GOOD!! Great pairing with pizza in a basement...
It puzzles me, too! To a degree. As I just said moments ago on another question, these are low intelligence people! That's why they are so EASILY brainwashed by the media they absorb.
ABORTION IS AND MUST STAY A RIGHT FOR THE GIRLS TO DECIDE THE FATE OF THEYR OWN BODY!!!
YOUR QUASTION IS A NON-SENS.
What policies are going to make things more affordable? 🤔
Wow! This post is so general and stupid. Dude, first organize your thoughts, and then post something of value.
Such a generic comment. if you have nothing of value to say, then fuck off
The irony is that most of them probably will never find a guy to have sex with.
Don't worry most of them are participating in the 4B movement. I just did a post about it explaining what it is, it's quite well interesting
What Is Your Opinion On The 4B Movement? ↗
The Democrats media academic propaganda complex caused it.
I love the ones on social media claiming they're no longer going to be hoes and will be celibate. I see that as an overall win for America.
You can assume we all feel the same about what you think. YOU get over yourself.
They can leave America.
That is tragic
It is extremely troubling but I am not surprised
Morons do not make sound decisions
Oh brother
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