Do you believe in equal rights?

[Shamalien]

If you believe in equal rights except for unvaccinated people then I have news for you, YOU DON’T BELIEVE IN EQUALITY AT ALL!!! Your ignorant views are the reason genocides happen, you could be turned against any segment of the population because you’re easy to manipulate.

Today it’s the unvaxxed, who will you fear and discriminate against next?

Yes, equal rights for all

Yes, except for unvaccinated people

No.

Updates

+1 y

Since very few have the nuts to stand by their beliefs and wanna squirm their way out of the question, yes, I do believe that murderer’s should be jailed. Jesus. Come on people. An unvaxxed person is not a “spreader of disease”. They are a human being. When you can prove that someone gave you a disease, then you can make an argument, but good luck proving that. Yes, your ignorant views are the reason genocides happen, because you are easily turned against your neighbor

[jeemm]

I personally believe all humans as a baseline deserve the chance to equal opportunities and equal rights but acts that are deemed harmful for others restrict these opportunities and rights.

"If you believe in equal rights except for unvaccinated people then I have news for you, YOU DON’T BELIEVE IN EQUALITY AT ALL!!! Your ignorant views are the reason genocides happen"

Is a very interesting opinion for sure. So everyone regardless of what choices they make should be given the same rights?

So where do you draw the line or do you even draw them at all? Criminal acts like murder or similar offenses? A murderer won't have the same rights as a law abiding citizen such as freedom of movement as murderers aren't tolerated in human societies. If you want to say that everyone has the same rights then that would include murderers roaming free.

[Shamalien]

Murder is evil. Not getting vaxxed is not murder. Do you believe in segregation, yes or no? For a perfectly healthy, not sick, unvaxxed person, should they be segregated? Show me how easily turned against your fellow human you are

[jeemm]

So murder is evil but murder isn't? I fail to see the difference. Whether you choose to shoot someone with a shotgun or choose to spread a deadly illness to someone it's the same. You intentionally disregard the safety of someone and intend to harm them. If you fail to understand how your actions can harm someone then it's evil on a whole another level.

"Not getting vaxxed is not murder. Do you believe in segregation, yes or no? For a perfectly healthy, not sick, unvaxxed person, should they be segregated?"

Even medical professionals or Covid tests don't provide 100% accurate information whether or not you're sick or not so I'm not sure how you'd know you're healthy. I believe that people who have a deadly virus should be quarantined if that's what you mean by segregated.

I don't think unvaccinated people need to be regulated in terms of movement as that doesn't increase the spread of Covid to my knowledge but it's pretty much synonymous that unvaccinated people don't wear masks. Unmasked people shouldn't be allowed free access to places where they can spread viruses during any pandemic.

Not sure what you mean when you ask me to show how I'm against humans. I've never done anything that harms anyone.

[Shamalien]

Not getting vaxxed is not murder. I don’t care what justifications you use to force violence on people, no ends justify an unjust means. Do you understand? If you are so afraid of the virus as that, if you truly believe it is that deadly, FIND ANOTHER WAY to protect yourself and your loved ones. Find a non violent, non coercive way, that is what is morally correct.

And although it doesn’t matter as far as my argument is concerned, the vaccine provides no protection against this virus, and anyone who cares to read the documents pfizer was forced to release can know this straight from the horse’s mouth.

[jeemm]

I don't remember saying not getting vaccinated is the same as murder. I said unvaccinated people are synonymous with being unmasked for reason and that's the same as murder.

It's not about being afraid or not, it's about logic. Normal logical people that are apart of a society do their best to avoid dying and do their best to harm others.

Vaccines provide no protection? Another interesting opinion. Which medical field are you in and can you provide me with some of your research on this matter? I don't consider googling research. I'm a humble and realistic individual so I can admit when I'm ignorant and I'm ignorant when it comes to most of the medical field. It's funny how all anti-vaxxers are medical professionals. If they aren't then they shouldn't believe in whatever they read.

[jeemm]

*and do their best to avoid harming others.

You clearly influenced me too much with your ideals.

[Shamalien]

I don’t need to be a medical professional to read the docs pfizer was forced to release, the docs they attempted to hide for 75 years. You should read them.

[Shamalien]

“ I don't remember saying not getting vaccinated is the same as murder. I said unvaccinated people are synonymous with being unmasked for reason and that's the same as murder” so if unmasked = murderere, and unvaxxed = unmasked, then unvaxxed equals murderers, yes? Am I missing something in your assertion?

You do not need to be a medical professional to see that a drug or vaccine leaves a trail of injuries in it’s wake and doesn’t prevent disease. I’ve looked up the recent numbers for my country and even our cdc graphs show that unvaxxed make up a smaller portion of hospitalized and dead compared to vaxxed, accounting for the ratio of vaxxed vs unvaxxed in our population. Can you read a donut chart? You have no desire or ability to think for yourself so you believe authority with the same religiois fervor of any cult member. Remember when Fauci stated masks worn by the general public do more harm than good in spring 2020? Did you already forget? Did the science suddenly change?

Politics changed. Masks worn by the general public, the untrained, messy public, do cause more harm than they do good. I worked in a hospital and I do understand this FACT

[jeemm]

Why would I need to read them? If there's some point to it then I rather just hear it from you and if you have a point to make, please quote the exact words used so it isn't just speculative.

Here's a picture of the same guy whose words you have taken out of context, wearing a mask. Also read the article.
www.reuters.com/.../uk-factcheck-fauci-outdated-video-masks-idUSKBN26T2TR

"I’ve looked up the recent numbers for my country and even our cdc graphs show that unvaxxed make up a smaller portion of hospitalized and dead compared to vaxxed, accounting for the ratio of vaxxed vs unvaxxed in our population."

Please provide the stats for that.

"You have no desire or ability to think for yourself so you believe authority with the same religiois fervor of any cult member."

This is why I don't think about things I have no knowledge or understanding about. It only leads to speculation if I'm not qualified to draw factual truths from it. Just like how you think I operate, your other conclusions are wrong as well. Thinking isn't the same as speculation. You are among the most speculative people I have ever spoken to as you seem to draw conclusions that fit your own agenda.

You can find information about any subject at all, moon landing, 5G microchips, reptilians who secretly control humans and the list goes on. One source says it's true and one source says it's false. You are the type of person that instantly picks one and sticks with it and claims it's "thinking for yourself".

When in fact it's the exact opposite of thinking.

[Shamalien]

I don’t instantly pick anything. I saw the broadcast where Fauci stated masks worn by general public do more harm than good and while working in healthcare I’ve heard the same sentiment echoed time and time again. I’m not going to quote anything as you’ll simply say I don’t know what I’m talking about. You can find it yourself and then you’ll know it’s real. You could go to the BC cdc and read their donut chart on vaxxed vs unvaxxed hospitalizations if you want.

Ofc you don’t want to, you’d rather mischaracterize my argument and call me some reptile conspiracy theorist. I am vaxx injured before this vaxx even hit so I’m intimately aware of how dangerous vaccines can be. Why would I waste time digging up documents for you when you don’t wanna learn? I have better things to do. All I will say is that I don’t care what your justification is for segregation or discrimination, you’re okay with “othering” people and therefore you can be manipulated into creating fertile conditions for genocide. If I’m not showing symptoms I’m going wherever I please and if you disagree with that you’re simply a bigot

[Shamalien]

By the way I read your article, holy fuck there is no way you actually read that before sending it to me. You really think the science on masks changed in 2 years? No. Politics changed. Masks have been around a long time and the scientific community understood and agreed on when they should and should not be used prior to this clusterfuck of politics influencing science

[jeemm]

"I’m not going to quote anything as you’ll simply say I don’t know what I’m talking about"

That's partly true. I'd try to disprove your claim as I did before with the masks being harmful. It was completely out of context and you still defend it. I don't get why you don't provide me with a statement from this released documentation if your whole point is to make an argument in defense of a certain opinion. Although I'll try to disprove I won't just state you are wrong for no reason at all, I always give a basis for my arguments.

I can't make arguments or claim for you, you need to do your part of providing them to me so I can tell you where you went wrong. If you lack those claims then don't act as if they exist in the first place. If they exist then provide them.

When it comes to vaccines no one is saying they are perfect. I personally know a person who developed a life lasting medical issue from it. But I also have relatives that came close to dying from Covid. It all comes down to percentages.

"Why would I waste time digging up documents for you when you don’t wanna learn?" Learn? I'm not trying to learn anything, I'm disproving your claims.

"If I’m not showing symptoms I’m going wherever I please" Yeah not showing symptoms isn't synonymous with being healthy. Cancer patients for example might only find out they're dying at the later stages where they only have a few months to live but have had cancer for years. Just because you don't have symptoms doesn't mean you can't spread a virus.

[jeemm]

Yes indeed, science hasn't changed to my knowledge when it comes to face covering. They have been used for a long time now. What's your point?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surgical_mask#History
To read if you care about when they were developed. I'm not at all sure what you mean when you say "2 years".

[DaisyM23]

okay i think genocide is heavy word to use for anti-vaxxers/unvaccinated, especially when genocide is more to do with ethnicity/nationality, and no one's going around mass killing the unvaccinated
but everyone's entitled to their opinion when it doesn't harm anyone

[Shamalien]

Genocide has to do with viewing a certain group of people as dirty or lessar than yourself. This is how genocide happens, step one, we’re living it

[DaisyM23]

the literal definition of genocide is based on nationality and/or ethnicity, the most well known genocides have been due to this, let me know a genocide that's taken place primarily because of vaccine beliefs

[Shamalien]

The same propaganda techniques used to turn people against the jews are currently being used to turn people against the unvaxxed. If you view unvaxxed as dirty spreaders of disease who need to be barred from high society, then you are the reason genocides occur. Call it whatever you want when we come from all ethnic backgrounds, it’s the same level of evil

[DaisyM23]

omg, antisemitism had been around for centuries before the actual holocaust took place, and even then, the nazis had been implementing different laws against jews and other ethnic groups, no one's gonna start going around mass killing the unvaccinated

[Shamalien]

Anti semitism was around yes, but the nazis did enact laws barring jews from restaurants and grocery stores, just like many governments did the same to unvaxxed. Did you know about the internment camps in Australia for unvaxxed? How about being fired for not being vaxxed? There are many parralels that shouldn’t be ignored. I’ll tell you what I see... a total lack of empathy for unvaxxed. I worry no one would stand up for us if they went even farther, because not being allowed to go anywhere or work anywhere is pretty bad already

[DaisyM23]

the unvaccinated can still work and go on holiday, they've practically scrapped those old rules depending on where you live - the nazis literally broke down citizenship and basic human rights for jews so don't compare this to the holocaust of all things, no one's going to 'go further' or whatever for the unvaccinated, i know unvaccinated people and there's literally no difference between me and them

[Shamalien]

I live in Canada where until a month ago we couldn’t even eat at a restaurant. Many still jobless because of their vax status. Unvaxxed still cannot board a plane or train. Like I said, in Australia they were literally put in internment camps.

Look away if you must but don’t tell me I’m not seeing this

[DaisyM23]

look, it's unfair and prejudiced but we're generally coming out of that, i don't know the situation in Canada or australia, but didn't everyone in Canada get some kind of covid benefits? the nazis put jews (and many other groups) into camps because they hated their entire being due to religion or ethnicity, because they believed that they were subhuman and didn't deserve to go into society or reproduce, no one's treating the unvaccinated like this because vaccinations are a choice based on opinion and no one's going to start killing you for the fun of it - at least you still have your life, and the fact that you're on here means you also have your freedom so don't be so ignorant in comparing your situation to the holocaust, and yes, you may call me ignorant for not understanding your pov and maybe i am, but frankly i can't feel too sorry for you when it's your choice, there are so many problems in the world, and covid restrictions are easing anyways

[HighlyVolatile]

I fight for a person protesting against things done to them forcefully against their will.

That even includes resisting vaccinations which could benefit all of us. I'm personally vaccinated but if they are screaming and resisting it, my caveman's brain sees screaming people resisting and people trying to apply force.

I am not trying to make my moral system work for some greater cause. I limit it to preventing people and especially me from forcefully doing things unto others that they ask us not to do unto them, even if it dooms us all.

I'm not a sophisticated person. I base my morality mostly on will and far less on what makes a better world. I don't want to become more sophisticated if that means forcing things onto people for their sake or mine against their will.

[Shamalien]

Morality is that simple. I wish more people saw as you do.

I stand with you buddy, first good response on the question.

[HighlyVolatile]

Cheers! Human rights rest on the concept of consent as I see it.

[EyeKnowMeNahYou]

Long as class systems exist, there's no equal rights. As long as one gender is protected, made exceptions for, told over what they can do with their bodies and never mind the other person feelings, nah there's no equal rights or equality but we try to be fair... Sometimes

[Apple1996]

In general no I don't believe in equal rights cause shit in life is just unfair. There will always be judgement and hate when people disagree especially on things like being vaxxed/unvaxxed. It's something that I try not to stress too much about like obviously everyone has to make a decision about which they wanna choose but if someone is gonna judge me for my choice then that's really on them for hating me cause I don't care enough to feed into their hate.

[Shamalien]

Hmm, but do you think it’s something we as a society should strive towards? Right now it is clear that certain segments of the population are legally discriminated against, as an unvaxxed person cannot board a plane in my country. I would hope we can all move in a direction where segregation is once again a thing of the past

[Shamalien]

Ofc it’s easier said than done and equal rights may be a pipe dream, but a lot of progress has been made these past few centuries

[Apple1996]

No I doubt it'll ever happen in the future. People will never see each other as equal. It's just based on their beliefs system. Like they think antivax wants to hurt society by making others sick. It's hard for them to get over that (because the government has brainwashed them) so they won't accept those that refuse a vaccine. It's unfair but that's just how it is.

[AviatorTom]

I believe in EQUAL OPPORTUNITY for all. What an individual does with opportunity is up to them.

[Sun_Kim-Ai]

No, I don't believe in equal rights, sorry.
Citizens should be classified, and I'm not talking about the vaccines.

[Sun_Kim-Ai]

Update - had you talked to me to my face like that, you would have disappeared in 24 hours max.

[AlexM007]

Yes without any shadow of a doubt!! Everyone deserves the right to be the best they can be and an even chance to do so. The problem is society is so filled with mixed feeling and divide that "equality" seems very far off right now.

[ManHater]

When a man rapes a little girl he's still given equal rights so... no i dont believe in equal rights.

[Shamalien]

Innocent until proven guilty. If he is found guilty of rape he is imprisoned or executed

[ManHater]

not in Canada thrown in jail yes but not killed.

[Shamalien]

Not killed, but if you were to kill him having caught him in the act, to defend the girl, I’d support it. I don't know why people are confusing the question. It’s almost like nobody understands what rights are OH WAIT NOBODY DOES

[OddBeMe]

Equal rights for all. And the right for society to protect general health.

[Shamalien]

If your right includes coercion and force, aka violence, then it is not a right. No end justifies immoral means.

[OddBeMe]

didn't say i beieive in any if that. Society has a right to protect general wellness.

[Shamalien]

No, you didn’t say it, but that is what you mean

[OddBeMe]

Care to elaborate?

[Shamalien]

I’ve wasted enough time on you low these many years. Think through step by step what you’d do to “protect” society and see what’s obvious

[OddBeMe]

Just require a jab. If you dont have one you stay out of private businesses, city parks, etc.

[Agagagagaga]

Dude don’t bother with him. He’s one of the biggest fascists on this site.

[OddBeMe]

@Agagagagaga not gonna apologize for having better logic.

[Agagagagaga]

No one is asking you to apologize 😂 You don’t ask fascists for apologies. 🤷‍♂️

[OddBeMe]

@Agagagagaga yeah…fascists love logic.

[Agagagagaga]

Hey man, call it whatever you want. Hitler did a wonderful job telling a nation why it was “logical” to blame the Jews for everything. You have fascistic views. 🤷‍♂️

[OddBeMe]

When I bring up hitler in an argument there’s a stronger connection.

I’m not saying antivxxers should be second class citizens. Just that health requirements are required in public spaces.

[Fuentes]

To hell with the fascist and commies!

[Shamalien]

Amazing how few people get it... so many will support one over the other when in fact they are both wrong for the same reason. Equality is never achieved through tyranny

[Fuentes]

The conformist dummies will suffer in the future all to their own stupidity and their weirdo false beleifs its truly sad lol

[Shamalien]

What future will there be for any of us if this continues...

[MrTaboo]

If you're vaccinated then why would it mater for you? Your argument doesn't make any sence

[Anonymous]

Spreaders of disease should be jailed.

[Shamalien]

Unvaxxed people who are not sick, they should be jailed for shopping?

[Fuentes]

Communist found