Do you support equal rights between men and women?

[Agape93]

Equal pay, equal opportunities, equal treatment, equal consequences etc

Yes I support equality

No I don’t support equality

[Grond21]

It all depends on what you mean. I support equal opportunity. So equal pay, but only for equal work. Equal opportunities, but no hand-outs. Equal treatment, always. Equal consequences, yes.

Unfortunately, a lot of people are pushing for equality of outcome. Where 50% of people on the board of a company have to be female. Or 50% of people in politics have to be female. In engineering, in STEM, etc. But this isn't equality of opportunity, this is trying to force the outcome that they want. But you know it's not true equality because they only do it for the field that they value. The high level academic, financial, and political fields. 95% of men are bricklayers. The vast majority of workplace deaths are men. The vast majority of court cases result in men losing custody of the children. The vast majority of suicides are men. But there isn't a push to balance those out. To rectify that situation.

And therefore, if someone claims they want equality, but is only seeking greater positions of power, then I know that they are not actually wanting true equality.

That's why equality of opportunity is so crucial. Because it gives everyone the option, and people can freely choose what they actually want. That's real freedom, not forcing people to take jobs they don't want or keeping them out of jobs they do want just because of what's between their legs.

[genericname85]

mostly yes but in a very specific case no. i mean generally speaking, everyone should have the same rights in my opinion but there is of course a physical inequality there, which i'm not sure how the law can reconsile that in a "fair" and also equal way.

what i'm speaking about is inequal laws around children. men can't give birth. women can. so i think there are some rights that can never be "fair" or "equal" at the same time.

cause you know say a child is born and the 2 partners sepaate. who should get custody rights? it's a zero sum game... of course you can split the time spent with each parent in a fair way but you can not split custody in a fair way.

also in the case of a new born baby, a father can't even have his child, cause he can't breastfeed. i'm assuming here, that breastfeeding is necessary. that's just my opinion.

also the father in my countries legislation doesn't even have the right to know he's a father, if the woman never decides to tell him... which i find very problematic.

so i believe the laws could and should be more equal in some sense. but in some sense, it being more equal would be bad.

[JoyGirl]

This question really brought some really salty people here. 🤣🤣🤣
Honestly, it is only fair that way for things to be equal. Yea, there are some jobs women can't really do, but in the end, the jobs we can do, we should all get paid the same.
If a woman decides to challenge herself and work in areas women don't usually work, then that is good. She should do it for herself, and herself only. If she has people around her who support her, then that is great. Yea, there will be ups and downs, but she will eventually make it, if she doesn't give up, and stays positive.

💜💜💜

[purplepoppy]

If two people are doing the same job to the same standard then they should get equal pay. The problem I have with equality is it becomes an easy thing to blame when you don't get your own way. People don't say I didn't get the promotion because the other person was better suited, it's all oh it's because I'm a woman or it's because I'm black.

[Reaperbot666]

relationship and marriage - remove the law from it so you keep what you have before the relationship and whatever was in your name during it. anything in both persons names can be split 50/50 or one of the people in question can buy out the others share of the stuff.

child custody and care - should be 50/50 unless one side can prove without a reasonable doubt. that the other is unfit (physically or mentally) or unable to be a care giver.

pro choice - it should be the woman's choice to continue the pregnancy. however it should also be the man's choice if he wishes to help support the child. should the woman choose to keep the child. because believe it or not. there are many woman who will intentionally get pregnant by a man. in order to keep him in her life or to collect support from him. while she has full custody of the child. and the man has little or no legal rights or visitation to see the child.

work wages - typically the reason why guys tend to make more. because there often more willing or forced to. take on more over time to support their family unit. (yes I know there are a decent amount of women that work over time also). men are more likely to do the dangerous jobs in general. don't see to many women in jobs with extreme risk to life and limb.

most women also don't want be with a guy that is a home body or stay at home parent. just look into stuff like *Former Bears QB Jay Cutler, Kristin Cavallari are getting a divorce* Jay cutler has a net worth of over 100 million dollars from being a former NFL quarterback. now in retirement he spends his time at home on there farm rising there 3 small kids. yet a big part of why there getting divorced is because she claims he is lazy and stays at home all day. instead of going out to find a new job. also he would not give her 5 million to buy a vacation home "for them".

[sawno]

Not so fast there.
Yes, of course I support equal rights but let's not take it to extremes.
I am against discrimination but unequal pay is not automatically gender based especially in companies where pay is negotiated. I was severely underplayed because I did that poorly for my first job. So I demanded a raise and got it.

Equal opportunities is also a step to far. I want fair opportunities. There are jobs where it is objectively better to hire a man, and there are jobs where it is objectively better to hire a woman. Nobody is going to hire a man for a bikini shoot for example and I don't think it's wrong to hire a man for heavy construction work either if their experience is that women can't handle the workload.

Equal treatment? I'll walk into the girls toilet next time to check if it is truly equal treatment.

Equal consequences same thing. If I don't get in trouble it's truly equal.

So no, let's stick to equal rights and fair treatment based on relevant criteria. That works far better than full equality.

[likelyOK]

I agree with this except what is "if I don't get in trouble" referring to

[sawno]

@likelyOK It was a satirical comment referring to me not getting fired or prosecuted for going in the woman's bathroom. Obviously I am not actually going to do it but I wanted an example of who equal consequences is a bad thing. I should get in trouble for such actions and rightfully so but that does mean the consequences are unequal.

[likelyOK]

oh okay

[ObscuredBeyond]

The entire points of why we have a binary system biologically, is so that it is impossible for us to ever be 100% self-reliant for all things living. That's by divine design; as a way to curtail hubris that would invariably destroy us in the end.

Alas, human hubris knows no limits, and is not bound by the laws of sanity and logic. Therefore, we have they who would be gods themselves wishing to eradicate the binary system, rewriting nature itself in their hubris. And for this, they will destroy themselves; and should be destroyed first. To say nothing of their rioting and indecent exposure antics, and predatory behavior toward children. All part of the same hubris.

The thing to note about men and women, is that by design, they will never be 100% equal in an egalitarian sense in every department of living. And therefore, that's not even a goal worth pursuing. Therefore, their differences should be taken with gratitude; and the two should look to each other as complements of one another, not competition. The whole "war of the sexes" thing is stupid.

Moreover, I find it odd that those who screech the loudest about "equality," are unwilling to address the lack of female coal miners and lack of oil riggers, or even the lack of female truck unloaders, for that matter! Nor the fact that cushy office job ladies abuse power at the same rate as men. These types don't want "equality." They just want power.

[broken_heart_at_48]

Yes of course that doesn't mean an employer shouldn't have to blindly pay to people the same they should have the right to pay whoever is the most productive the higher wage or same wages but highest producer gets bonuses. The sad thing is that companies tend to be biased towards one side of the other or bring in the loser brother in law give him a management position and pay them better than others while he just walks around like a big shot but is clueless about the job (their company they can do whatever) so how do you keep it fair? If we put it in the governments hands then we lose rights cause if you give them an inch they'll take everything eventually. my opinion would be to go Union from my experience that's the best way to keep it fair but I don't think there is a way to keep a company 100% fair and equal 100% without giving up some of our rights. I'm a contractor and I've helped out buddies by putting them to work and paying them way more than what they were worth because they were a friend and it's my company so it's my business what I do with my money. I'll say this for sure I've worked with some women that were bad ass and nobody wanted to work with them so I partnered up with them and twice with e different women we knocked out jobs that other Carpenters fucked up and nobody wanted to touch because it was gonna be next to impossible they thought but we kick ass. Sometimes it takes a different way of looking at something instead of brute force. I've always been a brute Force guy but they taught me some shit and I'd work with them any time

[MannMitAntworten]

It is my understanding that it is less about equality and more about equality of outcome. In other words, two women picking fruit from a tree, one tall the other short... the talker woman picks more because she can reach higher. However, at days end the short women is still entitled to part of the tall woman’s labors because otherwise it isn’t equal.

Well, if these two were trying to survive and each had an ax, would the splitting of the fruit remain equal? I realize some might say yes, but having seen what hunger does to people, this notion of equality only occurs when another force exist making their version of parity exist.

No man is my equal as no women is my equal either. However, by “force of law” we are all seen ‘equally’ in the eyes oc the ‘law’. Or at least that is the theory. It’s the theory both sexes seem at odds with and where my indifference to all of this in its entirety exists.

In other words, the waring factions can kill one another for all I give a damn. The rest of us will live in relative harmony.

[coffeewithcream]

Sure. The workplace death gap should be equalized.

In the United States in 2015 there were 4,836 work place deaths. Women workers accounted for just 344 of those deaths. Men suffered 93% of all workplace fatalities.
The data for previous and succeeding years would be roughly the same.

Ever notice those gender pay equality days that get on the news? Something like March 31, that women have to work that long again just to be equal in pay for the year? There are news items, marches, MacLean's Magazine even had an issue with two prices, a lower one for women and a higher one for men just to point out the disparity.

Well, one reason there isn't equality in pay between the genders is the choice of work. Roofers, welders at heights, loggers, construction workers, boilermakers, oil derrick roughnecks, all make good money. They have safety tailgate meetings every day. They have to. It's dangerous work, you can get hurt or killed.

Women working in day cares or clerical work, including reception, or managing sales or public relations, or the few in trucking or the trades just don't have the same dangers or the same resultant pay.

Funny that no one is marching about that to get things equal.

[ttnnkkrr]

but we aren't equal. not even a little. the fallacy in your interpretation of my statement is that inequality necesarily means better and worse. are dogs and parrots equal? but you might tgink of the of equal importance and deserving of your care. but tge thing is a woman can have a right to abortion but a man does not. a woman may join girlscouts but a man may not. at the same time a woman is arrested and charged with prostitution but a man in the same role would almost never be. a man conversly may not be able to give birth a man does not need to worry about periods.


none of these inequalities indicates better or worse but the do represent different needs for rights that cannot be dismissed.


as an employer should i not be able to compensate based on the very real cost vs profit risks that are different.

the idea that these considerations are irrelevant are infact disconnected of the realities.

consider the benifets a woman is garanteed that i am not as a man. the sole right to choose birth or not. protected leave. there is and frankly should be a cost.

that however does not indicate better or worse

[worldscolide]

I fully support equality... Not equity.. Meaning equal opportunity, and equal representation under the law. Not equal outcome.

One of the things i do not support, and thankfully has expired is the VAWA.. Basically it made attacking a woman a worse crime than attacking a man..

One of the things i do support is forcing schools to follow due process when it comes to accusations of sexual assault and rape, rather than assuming the victim is 100% truthful, and automatically kicking the accused out of school, without a chance to defend them self, and destroying their chances at going to another college. Thankfully there have been Hundreds of law suites against these schools, and the vast majority have been won..

[letssee89]

I say equal pay for equal work based on some other, noon gender related, factors. Factors such as education and tenure often plays a role in what someone gets paid. In addition, if men in the same position are asked to move heavier objects or something, which happens in every office every day, it's no longer equal work.

I also agree that men and women should be treated the same when there is a physical altercation. Far too often, when there's a domestic disturbance, if the woman says that the guy hot her, the guy is hauled off to jail, even with no other proof. Occasionally, even when there proof of it happening the other way around (like bruises and cuts on his face or arms).

[DudeDiligence]

I didn't vote in the poll because it's meaningless unless you explicitly define what you mean by "equality".

For example, are you suggesting there should be laws to insure 50% of CEOs and board members should be female, or that 50% of senators should be women? That's what a lot of feminists are pushing for.

Should we require that 50% of college students be male then? Should it be mandatory that 50% of scholarship and financial aid dollars go to male student applicants?

What does "equal treatment" mean in the context of child custody during divorce? Should we pass laws that ensure fathers get custody in 50% of cases? Is that what you mean by equality?

This is the problem I have with feminists who say feminism is about equality. What does that even mean?

[devilman666]

I look forward to the day when dangerous jobs like logging and construction will be 50/50, and when prison sentences are equal, and divorce courts are equal, post secondary schooling statistics are equal, and when suicide rates are equal, homeless equality, military casualty equality, etc.

[Whatthefluff]

I look forward to the day when suicide rates are minimal, homelessness is at an all-time low, and palliative justice takes the form of what would previously be a prison sentence.

[Whatthefluff]

Yes, males are more likely to experience homelessness or commit suicide. However, females make more suicide attempts. I think with these traumas and adverse experiences, the focus should be on prevention for the population as a whole.

[devilman666]

Yeah, lets just keep focusing on women and ignoring men. *eyeroll*. Men die 3-4 times more often from suicide in every major first world country. I agree we need to increase mental health for both genders, but stop trying to pretend both genders need help on this equally. It'd be like me saying that both genders need help with the pay gap because both genders suffer as a result of it.

I look forward to the day that everyone is paid a fair wage for the work they put in and rape is at an all time low.

What do you mean by palliative justice?

Men are also less likely to go to post secondary school, more likely to be addicted to drugs, more likely to be the victim of violent crime. Oh, women attempt suicide more, I forgot, guess they need just as much mental health help as men *sarcasm*. Sorry, but men are actually dying, almost 100 men die from suicide everyday in the USA. If you live the average female lifespan of 72 years then there will have been roughly 2.4 million male suicides during your lifetime. We need to stop the deaths, we need to fix the issue, I don't want anyone attempting suicide, but this excuse of saying that women attempt it more, so we pretend it's an equal problem, it's bullshit. It's just a way to continue focusing on women instead of men, because then everyone goes back to ignoring the male suicide rate, and ignoring the problem. We are constantly making steps to help women feel more comfortable with themselves, but men are getting left behind, the suicide statistics have been like this for over 20 years, yet nobody fucking cares? When was the last time the news covered it? I don't want to be rude but a lot of male suicide attempts are underreported if they fail, because the man doesn't feel comfortable sharing such a weak moment with anybody, and will instead repress the memory, and also, some female suicide attempts are cries for attention, again I don't want to be rude but it's true.

[devilman666]

Not all, I admit that, it's likely a minority of cases but some are just ways of getting attention, especially since women often choose the least lethal methods of suicide. Traumas and adverse experiences? Men are the ones dying! You say prevention should focus on the population as a whole but this is a method of making it seem like it isn't really an issue. In my country of Canada men die from suicide at a rate of 3000 per year, with women at less than 1000 per year. I agree we need to fix both suicide rates, but imagine if you brought up how women

[devilman666]

Sorry for ranting. Imagine if you brought up how women are raped more often, and my answer was, "I want to stop rapes happening to both genders." "We need to focus rape prevention and rape protection on both genders because they're both impacted. Also, while women are raped more, men are more traumatized by it because they usually don't have anyone to talk to about it, so we really need to focus equally on both genders when it comes to rape protection and prevention, not just women.

[JoyGirl]

Hahahahahahaha... oh, this is good.
Let me grab my popcorn.
(. ❛ ᴗ ❛.)

[devilman666]

@JoyGirl oh look, a sexist woman who finds male suicide to be entertaining. How bout you fuck off if you dont have anything worthwhile to say?

[JoyGirl]

Wooooow... tbh, you had a few good points, but nevermind my dude. I don't roll with salty people, even if their points are good.
(. ❛ ᴗ ❛.)

[Aislin9]

Women have the right to apply for logging job, some likely do but ultimately that's the decision of who is hiring. Prison sentences are determined by judges of both gender and are based on a trial, there are no laws that favor men over women. They just simply commit more violent crimes (blame it on the testosterone). Many parts of world, women can't attend post-secondary schools unfortunately... the rest is all based on choice not rights.

[JoyGirl]

@Aislin9
That makes sense.

[devilman666]

@JoyGirl sounds good, you never said anything worthwhile anyways.

[Aislin9]

@JoyGirl Yeah thank you.

[devilman666]

@Aislin9 sure, some women apply for logging jobs, but that doesn't change that it is only 9.9 percent women. Nice way to try and turn it around on me and act like its because of sexist employers, but women typically don't like logging and construction fields, that's just a fact.

Another cop out, nicely done. Yes, prison sentences are handled by judges, yet for some reason men recieve 63% longer sentences for the EXACT SAME CRIME! #PRISONGENDERGAP.
www.law.umich.edu/.../...r_gender_disparities.aspx

You aren't wrong about the violent crime thing though, men do commit more violent crimes, on average, than women. However I am talki g for the same crime, both a man and a woman commit murder, the judge is more likely to take it easy on the woman, showing a clear gender bias in the courts.
fivethirtyeight.com/.../

Oh wow another fucking cop out, it's almost like the only thing you can do is dismiss the data lol. Yes, women in some countries can't go to post secondary education, what the fuck is your point? There are sexist countries out there, and yes we need to do something about that, but you're clearly just trying to change the subject and dismiss the problem. Men in the USA are now more at risk to drop out of secondary education and less likely than women to go to post secondary education, if you care about equality then you must want something done about this, because men are getting left behind, and we can debate why they are being left behind, or we can debate what needs to be done to help men succeed in schooling. However if you only want to dismiss and ignore the problem then you can fuck off.

[Aislin9]

Yes, us women are so worthless in our opinions! Everything I said was true, you just don't like it.

[Aislin9]

Then you wonder why you don't get a sympathetic ear when you attack women.

[devilman666]

Women are "twice as likely to avoid incarceration if convicted"
www.law.umich.edu/.../...r_gender_disparities.aspx

[devilman666]

And then you dismiss me again xD I never said women were worthless, did I? I didn't, you just want to change the subject cause you know I'm right.

[devilman666]

When did I attack women? Tell me that

[Aislin9]

One person's opinion doesn't make it true. I followed the link and the title is "estimating gender dispariries" It's about 'estimating' which is nor scientific. You'll have to do better than that.

[Aislin9]

The problem with you is your hatred of women, if you were just for male rights, I'd be fine with you but you aren't. Everything you write is about women and you're sheer obvious hatred for them.

[Aislin9]

your*

[devilman666]

Yes, it's an estimation because it's inpossible to calculate the exact amount of bias in the courts, however if you follow the link to the original study then you'll find that it is looking over real cases to find this information, it is an estimation because it is not exact. So good job dismissing the data, again.
papers.ssrn.com/.../papers.cfm?abstract_id=2144002

My hatred of women? Lol that's funny. How do I hate women? You're literally just making an accusation up to silence me now. If you notice, I actually listen to women, like I listened to you and answered everything instead of dismissing you, or how I listened to Cassie Jay's story, instead of dismissing her. You're the sexist here, you lie about the other gender, dismiss their problems, silence them, and honestly, you don't seem to actually listen at all, you seem to be very self centered. That is not an attack on all women by the way, only you. Im done dealing with this bullshit, if you can't have an honest discussion/debate then just leave, I have no interest talking to someone who just wants to dismiss everything I say.

[devilman666]

Also, I love how you can't give a single example of me attacking women or being sexist. All you can say is, "well, it's just obvious!". Have a nice day.

[Aislin9]

"because it's inpossible to calculate the exact amount of bias in the courts,"

Meaning it isn't a legit study then because there is no way to determine bias.

You have been hostile to me and others, that much is very apparent.

[Aislin9]

It's a biased assessment that there is bias.

[JoyGirl]

@Aislin9
I think at this point you should just leave him. He ain't changing his mind anytime, soon. Plus, you are wasting good time reading all the links he is sending, and trying to prove him wrong... lol
Just ignore him. 💜🤗💜

[devilman666]

@JoyGirl She already blocked me, she just wanted to get the last words in

[devilman666]

And dont worry, she didn't read any of my links or read the things I wrote.

[devilman666]

"Meaning it isn't a legit study", no, this means its an estimated study, if you need evidence that estimation is legit then look at some date on rapes, most of it is estimated because it is impossible to get exact data on rapes, meaning they need to calculate as much as they can and then use their data to estimate the cases they dont have data for.

Also, I get hostile when I feel men's rights are being attacked or men are being silenced, im not sorry if that upsets you, because I refuse to let men get walked all over.

[Aislin9]

In my estimation, seeing your posts to me and others, I would say you're a legit misogynist. I think that's a valid assessment.

[devilman666]

The UN found that 90% of men and women are biased against women... it's a biased assessment that there is a bias xD

[devilman666]

I'm a legit misogynist? Based on what?

[Aislin9]

@JoyGirl
Yeah, I'm leaving, he's a waste of time, in my estimation, an alt-right misogynist. Take care.

[JoyGirl]

@Aislin9
You too. 💜💜💜

[devilman666]

www.cnn.com/.../index.html
Did they actually ask 90% of men and 90% of women these questions? No, this is estimated, meaning according to you, it isn't legit.

[devilman666]

@Aislin9 alright, have a nice day, I hope you eventually get over your hatred of men.

[devilman666]

"Alt-right" as I sip tea and watch progressive news on youtube, while sitting here in Canada where we have proper abortion laws and rights for women xD I'm the furthest thing from alt-right as you can get, you just can't stand that I defend men.

[devilman666]

I voted NDP, new democratic party, in the last election, which is essentially the Canadian communist party, it's the furthest left political group we have, but I'm alt-right lol

Whatever, thanks for the laughs, have a nice day.

[devilman666]

www.cnn.com/.../index.html

[Aislin9]

You can be alt-right and vote for anything.

CNN also estimated Hillary would win.

Bye bye... and I'll give you the word because I know you need it desperately for your ego... so go ahead...

[devilman666]

Lol, I wonder how many alt-right people voted for Hillary Clinton.

Lol, yes, estimates can be wrong, and especially with an election, because elections change very quickly, one big news story can result in an unpredictable drop in the polls. Just look at how well Trump used the email scandal to do just that.

I don't need the last word, I just find it hilarious that you somehow think I'm alt-right. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go accuse Hillary voters of being alt-right, because you said that alt-right people will vote for anything xD

[devilman666]

You just want to accuse me and walk out without me responding, that's why you're upset about not having the last word, if you can type a message that doesn't assume things about me or accuse me of anything, then I'll let you have the last word.

[Myla44]

Women and men can never be equal because they are different by nature. Women go overboard with complaining about how they are treated whereas men stay silent eventhough they also go through hardships. Women whine about staying at home and not being able to work because of traditional role division, however they undermine the value of spending time with the kids.
If you want equal pay, you better let go of your expectations that the guy should pay for the date. If you want equality, girls should learn to buy gifts for their boyfriend, they should learn to hold the door for men, more women should go on their knees to propose to men.

[Commander_Red]

Yes. I've seen some comments saying men and women are biologically different, but that has nothing to do with having equal rights. Just because women are inclined to be more nurturing, doesn't mean that men aren't capable of taking care of children, and just because men are more muscular, doesn't mean women can't do construction work. Any gender should be able to do the same things (that are physically possible) without protest is what I'm saying.

[Ianto]

Equal pay, equal opportunities, equal treatment, all make complete sense, and I fully support them. (I have 4 granddaughters.)
I do not see how you can legislate for "equal consequences" without discriminating against competence.

[Agape93]

Equal consequence means you receive the same punishments legally for the same crimes.

[Ianto]

Ah! That I can get on board with. I was assuming you meant general outcomes.

[youknowbetter]

I support egalitarianism but not feminism. Egalitarianism supports equal rights AND equal responsibilities. The word “feminism” itself contains the Latin subroot “fem”. The term is focuses on women, not men. It’s not about equality especially in 2020.

So go ahead downvote me “feminists”. But why you cling to that title cannot be rationally explained.

[youknowbetter]

I saw you mentioned “equal consequences” so I voted yes.

About the “equal pay” part. It is and has been ILLEGAL for a long time to look at someone and say “you have a penis so you get paid this” or “you have a vagina you get paid that”. All feminists did was add up all the earnings women make and divided it by the number of workers. Their are much more legitimate reasons men make more. They are more likely to ask for more money. They are more likely to work overtime. If they are unhappy with their pay they are more likely to look around for a better deal. So please quit that “gender wage gap” bs. It’s a myth.

[jsincal]

Yes. Women are just as brilliant as men if not more. They deserve equality for one simple fact, they are people too. And it saddens me our society has decided to pay them less because they lack a phallus. Get real, women deserved this for hell of a long time.

[tonyacrusch2]

i don't "lack a phallus," i have access to as many of those as i want (though one is more than enough).

[jsincal]

@tonyacrusch2 I'm very sure that phallus is lucky to have you.

[emmily2396]

Everyone has a phallus, for women it's the clit. The fetus is prepared to be both male and female. That is why men have nipples and mamary glands. They just develop differently.

[jsincal]

@emmily2396 Yes, Urogenital membrane.

[Hxhxjkv]

@tonyacrusch2 A man can pay for all the pussy he wants. Women are cheaper/less valuable than men.

[jsincal]

@Hxhxjkv I think that’s why you need to pay for it, because no woman would ever touch you for free.
It could really mean you as a human are less valuable And have nothing to offer.

You’re still a child though.

Grow up, go through puberty again, and try to go to school... Trump university isn’t a school though. Don’t do that.

Remember your mother is also a woman.

And that means you’re are as equally as valuable as your mother is, who also is a woman that you claim is lower than any man.

[normalice]

I think "equivalent" is a better word, but I also acknowledge that someone with self interest in mind could come up with a corrupted interpretation. It doesn't matter much, but the physical differences between men and women necessitate sifferent rights. For example, the right to maternity leave just doesn't make sense in the context of men. Is there some equivalent right that should be allotted to men? Maybe, but the point is that "equal" is inaccurate.

[Aislin9]

There is paternity leave...

[normalice]

Indeed there is, and it can be equal in value, but it can never be equal in reasoning, as men do not lactate or go through labor.

[Aislin9]

ah ok well I still think they should spend time with their babies.

[normalice]

Indeed that would be the healthy choice.

[1CentWorth]

100%, but equal pay depends on negotiation - it's not a one-size fits all. I DON'T believe that a woman should make the same as an established man doing the same job, simply because she's a woman. I think she'll have to PROVE her worth JUST LIKE MEN. In my mind, that's equality.

[it2ly]

I support the literal gender equality.. in which I see all insults as gender neutral and I see only psychical differences with male and female. Things like pronouns and names are gendered but to me, gender is based on how someone is raised. Gender is not a personality, gender differences are very small and are only bigger if you make them bigger.

Lmao at the 29 guys that said they don't support it tho

[ShortCircuit]

I support equal treatment under the law, in the sense that all laws should be identically applicable to people of all races/ethnicities, sexes, genders, sexualities, religions, and all other immutable characteristics.

I do not support laws that force private actors to treat other private actors equally.