Do you support equal rights between men and women?

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Equal pay, equal opportunities, equal treatment, equal consequences etc

Grond21 · Accepted Answer

It all depends on what you mean. I support equal opportunity. So equal pay, but only for equal work. Equal opportunities, but no hand-outs. Equal treatment, always. Equal consequences, yes.

Unfortunately, a lot of people are pushing for equality of outcome. Where 50% of people on the board of a company have to be female. Or 50% of people in politics have to be female. In engineering, in STEM, etc. But this isn't equality of opportunity, this is trying to force the outcome that they want. But you know it's not true equality because they only do it for the field that they value. The high level academic, financial, and political fields. 95% of men are bricklayers. The vast majority of workplace deaths are men. The vast majority of court cases result in men losing custody of the children. The vast majority of suicides are men. But there isn't a push to balance those out. To rectify that situation.

And therefore, if someone claims they want equality, but is only seeking greater positions of power, then I know that they are not actually wanting true equality.

That's why equality of opportunity is so crucial. Because it gives everyone the option, and people can freely choose what they actually want. That's real freedom, not forcing people to take jobs they don't want or keeping them out of jobs they do want just because of what's between their legs.

genericname85 · Accepted Answer

mostly yes but in a very specific case no. i mean generally speaking, everyone should have the same rights in my opinion but there is of course a physical inequality there, which i'm not sure how the law can reconsile that in a "fair" and also equal way.

what i'm speaking about is inequal laws around children. men can't give birth. women can. so i think there are some rights that can never be "fair" or "equal" at the same time.

cause you know say a child is born and the 2 partners sepaate. who should get custody rights? it's a zero sum game... of course you can split the time spent with each parent in a fair way but you can not split custody in a fair way.

also in the case of a new born baby, a father can't even have his child, cause he can't breastfeed. i'm assuming here, that breastfeeding is necessary. that's just my opinion.

also the father in my countries legislation doesn't even have the right to know he's a father, if the woman never decides to tell him... which i find very problematic.

so i believe the laws could and should be more equal in some sense. but in some sense, it being more equal would be bad.

JoyGirl · Accepted Answer

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Honestly, it is only fair that way for things to be equal. Yea, there are some jobs women can't really do, but in the end, the jobs we can do, we should all get paid the same.
If a woman decides to challenge herself and work in areas women don't usually work, then that is good. She should do it for herself, and herself only. If she has people around her who support her, then that is great. Yea, there will be ups and downs, but she will eventually make it, if she doesn't give up, and stays positive.

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purplepoppy · Accepted Answer

If two people are doing the same job to the same standard then they should get equal pay. The problem I have with equality is it becomes an easy thing to blame when you don't get your own way. People don't say I didn't get the promotion because the other person was better suited, it's all oh it's because I'm a woman or it's because I'm black.

Reaperbot666 · Answer

relationship and marriage - remove the law from it so you keep what you have before the relationship and whatever was in your name during it. anything in both persons names can be split 50/50 or one of the people in question can buy out the others share of the stuff.

child custody and care - should be 50/50 unless one side can prove without a reasonable doubt. that the other is unfit (physically or mentally) or unable to be a care giver.

pro choice - it should be the woman's choice to continue the pregnancy. however it should also be the man's choice if he wishes to help support the child. should the woman choose to keep the child. because believe it or not. there are many woman who will intentionally get pregnant by a man. in order to keep him in her life or to collect support from him. while she has full custody of the child. and the man has little or no legal rights or visitation to see the child.

work wages - typically the reason why guys tend to make more. because there often more willing or forced to. take on more over time to support their family unit. (yes I know there are a decent amount of women that work over time also). men are more likely to do the dangerous jobs in general. don't see to many women in jobs with extreme risk to life and limb.

most women also don't want be with a guy that is a home body or stay at home parent. just look into stuff like *Former Bears QB Jay Cutler, Kristin Cavallari are getting a divorce* Jay cutler has a net worth of over 100 million dollars from being a former NFL quarterback. now in retirement he spends his time at home on there farm rising there 3 small kids. yet a big part of why there getting divorced is because she claims he is lazy and stays at home all day. instead of going out to find a new job. also he would not give her 5 million to buy a vacation home "for them".

sawno · Answer

Not so fast there.
Yes, of course I support equal rights but let's not take it to extremes.
I am against discrimination but unequal pay is not automatically gender based especially in companies where pay is negotiated. I was severely underplayed because I did that poorly for my first job. So I demanded a raise and got it.

Equal opportunities is also a step to far. I want fair opportunities. There are jobs where it is objectively better to hire a man, and there are jobs where it is objectively better to hire a woman. Nobody is going to hire a man for a bikini shoot for example and I don't think it's wrong to hire a man for heavy construction work either if their experience is that women can't handle the workload.

Equal treatment? I'll walk into the girls toilet next time to check if it is truly equal treatment.

Equal consequences same thing. If I don't get in trouble it's truly equal.

So no, let's stick to equal rights and fair treatment based on relevant criteria. That works far better than full equality.

ObscuredBeyond · Answer

The entire points of why we have a binary system biologically, is so that it is impossible for us to ever be 100% self-reliant for all things living. That's by divine design; as a way to curtail hubris that would invariably destroy us in the end.

Alas, human hubris knows no limits, and is not bound by the laws of sanity and logic. Therefore, we have they who would be gods themselves wishing to eradicate the binary system, rewriting nature itself in their hubris. And for this, they will destroy themselves; and should be destroyed first. To say nothing of their rioting and indecent exposure antics, and predatory behavior toward children. All part of the same hubris.

The thing to note about men and women, is that by design, they will never be 100% equal in an egalitarian sense in every department of living. And therefore, that's not even a goal worth pursuing. Therefore, their differences should be taken with gratitude; and the two should look to each other as complements of one another, not competition. The whole "war of the sexes" thing is stupid.

Moreover, I find it odd that those who screech the loudest about "equality," are unwilling to address the lack of female coal miners and lack of oil riggers, or even the lack of female truck unloaders, for that matter! Nor the fact that cushy office job ladies abuse power at the same rate as men. These types don't want "equality." They just want power.

broken_heart_at_48 · Answer

Yes of course that doesn't mean an employer shouldn't have to blindly pay to people the same they should have the right to pay whoever is the most productive the higher wage or same wages but highest producer gets bonuses. The sad thing is that companies tend to be biased towards one side of the other or bring in the loser brother in law give him a management position and pay them better than others while he just walks around like a big shot but is clueless about the job (their company they can do whatever) so how do you keep it fair? If we put it in the governments hands then we lose rights cause if you give them an inch they'll take everything eventually. my opinion would be to go Union from my experience that's the best way to keep it fair but I don't think there is a way to keep a company 100% fair and equal 100% without giving up some of our rights. I'm a contractor and I've helped out buddies by putting them to work and paying them way more than what they were worth because they were a friend and it's my company so it's my business what I do with my money. I'll say this for sure I've worked with some women that were bad ass and nobody wanted to work with them so I partnered up with them and twice with e different women we knocked out jobs that other Carpenters fucked up and nobody wanted to touch because it was gonna be next to impossible they thought but we kick ass. Sometimes it takes a different way of looking at something instead of brute force. I've always been a brute Force guy but they taught me some shit and I'd work with them any time

MannMitAntworten · Answer

It is my understanding that it is less about equality and more about equality of outcome. In other words, two women picking fruit from a tree, one tall the other short... the talker woman picks more because she can reach higher. However, at days end the short women is still entitled to part of the tall woman’s labors because otherwise it isn’t equal.

Well, if these two were trying to survive and each had an ax, would the splitting of the fruit remain equal? I realize some might say yes, but having seen what hunger does to people, this notion of equality only occurs when another force exist making their version of parity exist.

No man is my equal as no women is my equal either. However, by “force of law” we are all seen ‘equally’ in the eyes oc the ‘law’. Or at least that is the theory. It’s the theory both sexes seem at odds with and where my indifference to all of this in its entirety exists.

In other words, the waring factions can kill one another for all I give a damn. The rest of us will live in relative harmony.

coffeewithcream · Answer

Sure. The workplace death gap should be equalized.

In the United States in 2015 there were 4,836 work place deaths. Women workers accounted for just 344 of those deaths. Men suffered 93% of all workplace fatalities.
The data for previous and succeeding years would be roughly the same.

Ever notice those gender pay equality days that get on the news? Something like March 31, that women have to work that long again just to be equal in pay for the year? There are news items, marches, MacLean's Magazine even had an issue with two prices, a lower one for women and a higher one for men just to point out the disparity.

Well, one reason there isn't equality in pay between the genders is the choice of work. Roofers, welders at heights, loggers, construction workers, boilermakers, oil derrick roughnecks, all make good money. They have safety tailgate meetings every day. They have to. It's dangerous work, you can get hurt or killed.

Women working in day cares or clerical work, including reception, or managing sales or public relations, or the few in trucking or the trades just don't have the same dangers or the same resultant pay.

Funny that no one is marching about that to get things equal.

ttnnkkrr · Answer

but we aren't equal. not even a little. the fallacy in your interpretation of my statement is that inequality necesarily means better and worse. are dogs and parrots equal? but you might tgink of the of equal importance and deserving of your care. but tge thing is a woman can have a right to abortion but a man does not. a woman may join girlscouts but a man may not. at the same time a woman is arrested and charged with prostitution but a man in the same role would almost never be. a man conversly may not be able to give birth a man does not need to worry about periods.

none of these inequalities indicates better or worse but the do represent different needs for rights that cannot be dismissed.

as an employer should i not be able to compensate based on the very real cost vs profit risks that are different.

the idea that these considerations are irrelevant are infact disconnected of the realities.

consider the benifets a woman is garanteed that i am not as a man. the sole right to choose birth or not. protected leave. there is and frankly should be a cost.

that however does not indicate better or worse

worldscolide · Answer

I fully support equality... Not equity.. Meaning equal opportunity, and equal representation under the law. Not equal outcome.

One of the things i do not support, and thankfully has expired is the VAWA.. Basically it made attacking a woman a worse crime than attacking a man..

One of the things i do support is forcing schools to follow due process when it comes to accusations of sexual assault and rape, rather than assuming the victim is 100% truthful, and automatically kicking the accused out of school, without a chance to defend them self, and destroying their chances at going to another college. Thankfully there have been Hundreds of law suites against these schools, and the vast majority have been won..

letssee89 · Answer

I say equal pay for equal work based on some other, noon gender related, factors. Factors such as education and tenure often plays a role in what someone gets paid. In addition, if men in the same position are asked to move heavier objects or something, which happens in every office every day, it's no longer equal work.

I also agree that men and women should be treated the same when there is a physical altercation. Far too often, when there's a domestic disturbance, if the woman says that the guy hot her, the guy is hauled off to jail, even with no other proof. Occasionally, even when there proof of it happening the other way around (like bruises and cuts on his face or arms).

DudeDiligence · Answer

I didn't vote in the poll because it's meaningless unless you explicitly define what you mean by "equality".

For example, are you suggesting there should be laws to insure 50% of CEOs and board members should be female, or that 50% of senators should be women? That's what a lot of feminists are pushing for.

Should we require that 50% of college students be male then? Should it be mandatory that 50% of scholarship and financial aid dollars go to male student applicants?

What does "equal treatment" mean in the context of child custody during divorce? Should we pass laws that ensure fathers get custody in 50% of cases? Is that what you mean by equality?

This is the problem I have with feminists who say feminism is about equality. What does that even mean?

devilman666 · Answer

I look forward to the day when dangerous jobs like logging and construction will be 50/50, and when prison sentences are equal, and divorce courts are equal, post secondary schooling statistics are equal, and when suicide rates are equal, homeless equality, military casualty equality, etc.

Myla44 · Answer

Women and men can never be equal because they are different by nature. Women go overboard with complaining about how they are treated whereas men stay silent eventhough they also go through hardships. Women whine about staying at home and not being able to work because of traditional role division, however they undermine the value of spending time with the kids.
If you want equal pay, you better let go of your expectations that the guy should pay for the date. If you want equality, girls should learn to buy gifts for their boyfriend, they should learn to hold the door for men, more women should go on their knees to propose to men.

Commander_Red · Answer

Yes. I've seen some comments saying men and women are biologically different, but that has nothing to do with having equal rights. Just because women are inclined to be more nurturing, doesn't mean that men aren't capable of taking care of children, and just because men are more muscular, doesn't mean women can't do construction work. Any gender should be able to do the same things (that are physically possible) without protest is what I'm saying.

Ianto · Answer

Equal pay, equal opportunities, equal treatment, all make complete sense, and I fully support them. (I have 4 granddaughters.)
I do not see how you can legislate for "equal consequences" without discriminating against competence.

youknowbetter · Answer

I support egalitarianism but not feminism. Egalitarianism supports equal rights AND equal responsibilities. The word “feminism” itself contains the Latin subroot “fem”. The term is focuses on women, not men. It’s not about equality especially in 2020.

So go ahead downvote me “feminists”. But why you cling to that title cannot be rationally explained.

jsincal · Answer

Yes. Women are just as brilliant as men if not more. They deserve equality for one simple fact, they are people too. And it saddens me our society has decided to pay them less because they lack a phallus. Get real, women deserved this for hell of a long time.

normalice · Answer

I think "equivalent" is a better word, but I also acknowledge that someone with self interest in mind could come up with a corrupted interpretation. It doesn't matter much, but the physical differences between men and women necessitate sifferent rights. For example, the right to maternity leave just doesn't make sense in the context of men. Is there some equivalent right that should be allotted to men? Maybe, but the point is that "equal" is inaccurate.

1CentWorth · Answer

100%, but equal pay depends on negotiation - it's not a one-size fits all. I DON'T believe that a woman should make the same as an established man doing the same job, simply because she's a woman. I think she'll have to PROVE her worth JUST LIKE MEN. In my mind, that's equality.

it2ly · Answer

I support the literal gender equality.. in which I see all insults as gender neutral and I see only psychical differences with male and female. Things like pronouns and names are gendered but to me, gender is based on how someone is raised. Gender is not a personality, gender differences are very small and are only bigger if you make them bigger.

Lmao at the 29 guys that said they don't support it tho

ShortCircuit · Answer

I support equal treatment under the law, in the sense that all laws should be identically applicable to people of all races/ethnicities, sexes, genders, sexualities, religions, and all other immutable characteristics.

I do not support laws that force private actors to treat other private actors equally.

Aislin9 · Answer

Yes, I also don't think feminism's purpose to fight for men's rights but I certainly feel that men should fight for their own rights, with their own movement. I love (most) men... just not the alt-right, they don't deserve rights, they deserve prison. :D

rpgeek · Answer

Men and women already do have equal rights. By equal rights I mean the bill of rights and the constitution which holds men and women as equals. Now there are a lot of problems outside of actually rights but it's not correct to say that equal rights dont exist.

jgokgotit · Answer

Yes and no. I support equal treatment in terms of things that men and women can do equally, which is most things. However, there are differences between men and women so it is impossible to make EVERYTHING equal. In those instances, go for equivalent treatment.

Anpu23 · Answer

I support equality of opportunity and equality of responsibility. The conversation must be both about rights AND responsibilities. For it is unfair to expect the same outcome without the same risks and consequences. Unequal effort shouldn't create equal results. People who make poor decisions shouldn't expect the same outcomes of people who make wise decisions.

Certainly I support equality, but I do not believe that some people are more equal than others (George Orwell reference).

AzureGirl · Answer

Sad that there are people who would actually vote no on this.

Whatthefluff · Answer

I believe that in a perfect society, any individual regardless of gender, race, origin, sexuality, medical condition, etc. should experience a fair and level playing field.

Bananaman177 · Answer

Let's experiment first with equal responsibilities.

Nigjt · Answer

No because it dosent work out when Women Say they want that it just means that they want the same pay an we get stuck with all the work that's why I work for my self so if a Women comes to work for me doing anything she will have to do the same type of work or she don't get paid fuck that shit fair is fair.
God Bless

bones1238 · Answer

Way back in time when we were hunter gatherers men were hunters certain genetic things happened making them good at it women were the gatherers same thing happened men work one way which works in some situations and bad in others the same for women with out both we would have gotten half as far as we have and half as far as we can

abdel636 · Answer

It depends on how we define equality. Sorry to say how hard it became to define terms that have always been easy to understand. I believe in gender equality BUT also taking in consideration the undeniable differences between both genders and their roles in life and that creates a benign difference between opportunities and capabilities... etc between both genders

DiscomfortZone · Answer

Hell yeah I support equality. Trust me, breaking the jaw of a cunt who slapped you and thought you wouldn't do anything because you're a guy and she's a cunt is one of the most fun and satisfying experience you'll ever have. Honestly, beat the living shit out of her, make sure she has to eat out of a straw and use diapers for the reat of her pathetic life. That will teach hwr what happens to cunts who think being a cunts gives you a pass.

Youryeodongsaeng · Answer

Not in dress code, meaning women can't just go braless and shirtless; it'll set the wrong examples to children.

It is ok to wear training bras or sports bras without a shirt, as long as our breasts are covered.

cengimeo · Answer

Yes, I support gender equality. Men and women should be treated equally.

Sixgun77 · Answer

I support the natural rights that all human beings have (not the ever growing lost of needs and wants based so called human rights that FDR inspired the United nations to mistakenly adapt) , and I support equal opportunity. I do not support equality of outcome or condition.

NameIsMansi · Answer

Yes, I support gender equality.

I believe that men and women should be treated equally.

But men and women can not be equal as men and women are different.

Men and women are physically and mentally different.

Hxhxjkv · Answer

Honestly no. Women have privileges and won’t want to give them up. Equality will never exist in the world, if it did you wouldn’t be able to succeed as it goes against equality. Women should be self sufficient but I believe men are superior. We are, no one can deny it. Just accept it!

DanaeAdam5 · Answer

Do I support it? Of course  Do I actually believe that it will ever exist? Nope

Ámayas_20 · Answer

Of course, I support equality of opportunity though not equality of outcome.

Mishan97 · Answer

The fact that 36 mean think women and men don’t deserve equal rights is very disturbing. & 3 girls too? I’m curious for those who voted that way, what is your reasoning?

thothahuramazda · Answer

A man puts money in a vending machine orders product gets the product. A man does what a woman says regarding money to get what he wants from her, he becomes destitute. This is why robots are going to take over.

sz193 · Answer

Just by reading the male and female answers over here one can understand why a world centered on men has been so violent, oppressive and chaotic.

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the average voter. Looks at the answers and weep. If this thread isn’t a good argument against democracy I don’t know what is.

Yep12345678 · Answer

Equality between men and women will never exist because we are not the same. Women will always be picky and choosey about what they want regarding equality. I also believe that there are some jobs that women are just not cut out to do. Not a lot, but there's a few. For example, being an NFL coach. Football is a man's sport. And it always will be.

Eugenecawboy · Answer

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Dargil · Answer

It's guaranteed in the Constitution, even if it was ignored in the past.
Equal pay is somewhat problematic. It is documented that men work longer hours and women take more time off. That must be factored in to equal play for equal work.

SkipStop · Answer

We already have equal pay and equal opportunity. But treatment and consequences are anti-male. Would I want the last two to be equal? Yes. Else, it's male discrimination.

TallAnon · Answer

Ideally yes. The world isn't ideal though. Equal treatment isn't gonna happen on a day to day basis, I treat attractive girls better even if I don't think about it.

Apple1996 · Answer

No I personally dont think so. Men and women are completely different and should have their own individual standards

theCobbler · Answer

Its 2020 ; let's get over our " gender " " selves " and get on with making the world a better place for our children and their children!

David_Kek · Answer

No, on the bases there are no examples of societies that do have equal rights between the sexes, and never will.
At some point people are just going to have to grow up and except the fact "equality" is a pipe dream.

emmily2396 · Answer

So 20% of men think women shouldn't have equal rights. I don't like feminazis, but this score proves that the world still needs feminism.

Iwillfindyou21 · Answer

Yes, and honestly I never saw why men and women shouldn't have equal rights. We are all human, and there is no "better and worse" gender because we are all individuals

OpenNudist · Answer

I do and always have supported equal pay and equal rights between Guys and Girls

SirRexington · Answer

Of course I do. I believe everyone should have equal access to resources as they should belong to the commons.  I believe in fair treatment and I hate double standards.

captain_voidwalker · Answer

Only if said rights come with equal responsibility. But as we all know this isn't what happens these days

Jaximus-Lion · Answer

Of course i support it. I never understood why there is no equality.

Bhavin2184 · Answer

Yes I want equality because both gender think that they have not proper right compare to other gender which leads to many problems

NewtoTheSouth · Answer

Yeah, generally I do. Men tend to get more severely punished for breaking the law, you know. Also, when it comes to child custody, equality isn't practiced as much as it should be.

sensible27 · Answer

Equality of opportunities, yes. Equality of outcomes ie/slash or equity, no.

najekim · Answer

Yup. Rights are suppose to be gender neutral (I actually cringe at that term) so, for example, if a lady has a similar background and experience as I do, then there is no reason she shouldn't be paid as much.

Liam_Hayden · Answer

Equality under the law, yes. Opportunities should be universal. Equality of outcomes, no. Outcomes depend upon several factors.

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