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I agree with this except what is "if I don't get in trouble" referring to
@likelyOK It was a satirical comment referring to me not getting fired or prosecuted for going in the woman's bathroom. Obviously I am not actually going to do it but I wanted an example of who equal consequences is a bad thing. I should get in trouble for such actions and rightfully so but that does mean the consequences are unequal.
I look forward to the day when suicide rates are minimal, homelessness is at an all-time low, and palliative justice takes the form of what would previously be a prison sentence.
Yes, males are more likely to experience homelessness or commit suicide. However, females make more suicide attempts. I think with these traumas and adverse experiences, the focus should be on prevention for the population as a whole.
Yeah, lets just keep focusing on women and ignoring men. *eyeroll*. Men die 3-4 times more often from suicide in every major first world country. I agree we need to increase mental health for both genders, but stop trying to pretend both genders need help on this equally. It'd be like me saying that both genders need help with the pay gap because both genders suffer as a result of it.I look forward to the day that everyone is paid a fair wage for the work they put in and rape is at an all time low.What do you mean by palliative justice?Men are also less likely to go to post secondary school, more likely to be addicted to drugs, more likely to be the victim of violent crime. Oh, women attempt suicide more, I forgot, guess they need just as much mental health help as men *sarcasm*. Sorry, but men are actually dying, almost 100 men die from suicide everyday in the USA. If you live the average female lifespan of 72 years then there will have been roughly 2.4 million male suicides during your lifetime. We need to stop the deaths, we need to fix the issue, I don't want anyone attempting suicide, but this excuse of saying that women attempt it more, so we pretend it's an equal problem, it's bullshit. It's just a way to continue focusing on women instead of men, because then everyone goes back to ignoring the male suicide rate, and ignoring the problem. We are constantly making steps to help women feel more comfortable with themselves, but men are getting left behind, the suicide statistics have been like this for over 20 years, yet nobody fucking cares? When was the last time the news covered it? I don't want to be rude but a lot of male suicide attempts are underreported if they fail, because the man doesn't feel comfortable sharing such a weak moment with anybody, and will instead repress the memory, and also, some female suicide attempts are cries for attention, again I don't want to be rude but it's true.
Not all, I admit that, it's likely a minority of cases but some are just ways of getting attention, especially since women often choose the least lethal methods of suicide. Traumas and adverse experiences? Men are the ones dying! You say prevention should focus on the population as a whole but this is a method of making it seem like it isn't really an issue. In my country of Canada men die from suicide at a rate of 3000 per year, with women at less than 1000 per year. I agree we need to fix both suicide rates, but imagine if you brought up how women
Sorry for ranting. Imagine if you brought up how women are raped more often, and my answer was, "I want to stop rapes happening to both genders." "We need to focus rape prevention and rape protection on both genders because they're both impacted. Also, while women are raped more, men are more traumatized by it because they usually don't have anyone to talk to about it, so we really need to focus equally on both genders when it comes to rape protection and prevention, not just women.
Hahahahahahaha... oh, this is good. Let me grab my popcorn. (. ❛ ᴗ ❛.)
@JoyGirl oh look, a sexist woman who finds male suicide to be entertaining. How bout you fuck off if you dont have anything worthwhile to say?
Wooooow... tbh, you had a few good points, but nevermind my dude. I don't roll with salty people, even if their points are good. (. ❛ ᴗ ❛.)
Women have the right to apply for logging job, some likely do but ultimately that's the decision of who is hiring. Prison sentences are determined by judges of both gender and are based on a trial, there are no laws that favor men over women. They just simply commit more violent crimes (blame it on the testosterone). Many parts of world, women can't attend post-secondary schools unfortunately... the rest is all based on choice not rights.
@Aislin9 That makes sense.
@JoyGirl sounds good, you never said anything worthwhile anyways.
@JoyGirl Yeah thank you.
@Aislin9 sure, some women apply for logging jobs, but that doesn't change that it is only 9.9 percent women. Nice way to try and turn it around on me and act like its because of sexist employers, but women typically don't like logging and construction fields, that's just a fact.Another cop out, nicely done. Yes, prison sentences are handled by judges, yet for some reason men recieve 63% longer sentences for the EXACT SAME CRIME! #PRISONGENDERGAP.www.law.umich.edu/.../...r_gender_disparities.aspxYou aren't wrong about the violent crime thing though, men do commit more violent crimes, on average, than women. However I am talki g for the same crime, both a man and a woman commit murder, the judge is more likely to take it easy on the woman, showing a clear gender bias in the courts.fivethirtyeight.com/.../Oh wow another fucking cop out, it's almost like the only thing you can do is dismiss the data lol. Yes, women in some countries can't go to post secondary education, what the fuck is your point? There are sexist countries out there, and yes we need to do something about that, but you're clearly just trying to change the subject and dismiss the problem. Men in the USA are now more at risk to drop out of secondary education and less likely than women to go to post secondary education, if you care about equality then you must want something done about this, because men are getting left behind, and we can debate why they are being left behind, or we can debate what needs to be done to help men succeed in schooling. However if you only want to dismiss and ignore the problem then you can fuck off.
Yes, us women are so worthless in our opinions! Everything I said was true, you just don't like it.
Then you wonder why you don't get a sympathetic ear when you attack women.
Women are "twice as likely to avoid incarceration if convicted"www.law.umich.edu/.../...r_gender_disparities.aspx
And then you dismiss me again xD I never said women were worthless, did I? I didn't, you just want to change the subject cause you know I'm right.
When did I attack women? Tell me that
One person's opinion doesn't make it true. I followed the link and the title is "estimating gender dispariries" It's about 'estimating' which is nor scientific. You'll have to do better than that.
The problem with you is your hatred of women, if you were just for male rights, I'd be fine with you but you aren't. Everything you write is about women and you're sheer obvious hatred for them.
Yes, it's an estimation because it's inpossible to calculate the exact amount of bias in the courts, however if you follow the link to the original study then you'll find that it is looking over real cases to find this information, it is an estimation because it is not exact. So good job dismissing the data, again.papers.ssrn.com/.../papers.cfm?abstract_id=2144002My hatred of women? Lol that's funny. How do I hate women? You're literally just making an accusation up to silence me now. If you notice, I actually listen to women, like I listened to you and answered everything instead of dismissing you, or how I listened to Cassie Jay's story, instead of dismissing her. You're the sexist here, you lie about the other gender, dismiss their problems, silence them, and honestly, you don't seem to actually listen at all, you seem to be very self centered. That is not an attack on all women by the way, only you. Im done dealing with this bullshit, if you can't have an honest discussion/debate then just leave, I have no interest talking to someone who just wants to dismiss everything I say.
Also, I love how you can't give a single example of me attacking women or being sexist. All you can say is, "well, it's just obvious!". Have a nice day.
"because it's inpossible to calculate the exact amount of bias in the courts,"Meaning it isn't a legit study then because there is no way to determine bias.You have been hostile to me and others, that much is very apparent.
It's a biased assessment that there is bias.
@Aislin9 I think at this point you should just leave him. He ain't changing his mind anytime, soon. Plus, you are wasting good time reading all the links he is sending, and trying to prove him wrong... lolJust ignore him. 💜🤗💜
@JoyGirl She already blocked me, she just wanted to get the last words in
And dont worry, she didn't read any of my links or read the things I wrote.
"Meaning it isn't a legit study", no, this means its an estimated study, if you need evidence that estimation is legit then look at some date on rapes, most of it is estimated because it is impossible to get exact data on rapes, meaning they need to calculate as much as they can and then use their data to estimate the cases they dont have data for.Also, I get hostile when I feel men's rights are being attacked or men are being silenced, im not sorry if that upsets you, because I refuse to let men get walked all over.
In my estimation, seeing your posts to me and others, I would say you're a legit misogynist. I think that's a valid assessment.
The UN found that 90% of men and women are biased against women... it's a biased assessment that there is a bias xD
I'm a legit misogynist? Based on what?
@JoyGirl Yeah, I'm leaving, he's a waste of time, in my estimation, an alt-right misogynist. Take care.
@Aislin9 You too. 💜💜💜
www.cnn.com/.../index.htmlDid they actually ask 90% of men and 90% of women these questions? No, this is estimated, meaning according to you, it isn't legit.
@Aislin9 alright, have a nice day, I hope you eventually get over your hatred of men.
"Alt-right" as I sip tea and watch progressive news on youtube, while sitting here in Canada where we have proper abortion laws and rights for women xD I'm the furthest thing from alt-right as you can get, you just can't stand that I defend men.
I voted NDP, new democratic party, in the last election, which is essentially the Canadian communist party, it's the furthest left political group we have, but I'm alt-right lolWhatever, thanks for the laughs, have a nice day.
You can be alt-right and vote for anything. CNN also estimated Hillary would win. Bye bye... and I'll give you the word because I know you need it desperately for your ego... so go ahead...
Lol, I wonder how many alt-right people voted for Hillary Clinton.Lol, yes, estimates can be wrong, and especially with an election, because elections change very quickly, one big news story can result in an unpredictable drop in the polls. Just look at how well Trump used the email scandal to do just that.I don't need the last word, I just find it hilarious that you somehow think I'm alt-right. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go accuse Hillary voters of being alt-right, because you said that alt-right people will vote for anything xD
You just want to accuse me and walk out without me responding, that's why you're upset about not having the last word, if you can type a message that doesn't assume things about me or accuse me of anything, then I'll let you have the last word.
Equal consequence means you receive the same punishments legally for the same crimes.
Ah! That I can get on board with. I was assuming you meant general outcomes.
I saw you mentioned “equal consequences” so I voted yes. About the “equal pay” part. It is and has been ILLEGAL for a long time to look at someone and say “you have a penis so you get paid this” or “you have a vagina you get paid that”. All feminists did was add up all the earnings women make and divided it by the number of workers. Their are much more legitimate reasons men make more. They are more likely to ask for more money. They are more likely to work overtime. If they are unhappy with their pay they are more likely to look around for a better deal. So please quit that “gender wage gap” bs. It’s a myth.
i don't "lack a phallus," i have access to as many of those as i want (though one is more than enough).
@tonyacrusch2 I'm very sure that phallus is lucky to have you.
Everyone has a phallus, for women it's the clit. The fetus is prepared to be both male and female. That is why men have nipples and mamary glands. They just develop differently.
@emmily2396 Yes, Urogenital membrane.
@tonyacrusch2 A man can pay for all the pussy he wants. Women are cheaper/less valuable than men.
@Hxhxjkv I think that’s why you need to pay for it, because no woman would ever touch you for free. It could really mean you as a human are less valuable And have nothing to offer. You’re still a child though. Grow up, go through puberty again, and try to go to school... Trump university isn’t a school though. Don’t do that. Remember your mother is also a woman. And that means you’re are as equally as valuable as your mother is, who also is a woman that you claim is lower than any man.
There is paternity leave...
Indeed there is, and it can be equal in value, but it can never be equal in reasoning, as men do not lactate or go through labor.
ah ok well I still think they should spend time with their babies.
Indeed that would be the healthy choice.
Agreed. But it’s expected, what with the incels and some of the mgtow on here.
but obviously females are not equal to us tho, us men are obviously greater and superior
girls dont build houses male construction guys do
Are you trying to say there are no girls in construction fields? Because I highly doubt that.
I've never seen it
Just because you never have does not believe it doesn’t happen.
Men make up 90.1% of construction workers in the USA. Female construction workers exist, but statistics show that it is very rare. https://www.nawic.org/nawic/Statistics.aspThe fact of the matter is that he is correct, in almost every dangerous field like construction worker, it is almost exclusively men, with over 80% of the workforce being men. Men are also the majority of army deaths and suicide deaths, feminists like to pretend that we just need to "catch women up to men in terms of rights", but there is a lot that needs to be done to help men too. I support equality, I can't wait for the day that the gender suicide gap and gender workplace death gap is made equal.
I agree on your equality statement.
@devilman666 women birth and raise kids not men !! kids love their mother more then father! and women are more precious by men than men are by women !!
@devilman666 and yes suicide victins are mostly men cause they have weaker mental power than women have so they are flimsy about troubles !! they are victim of suicide by themselves and and according to Bureau Justice Statistics %91 of rape victims are women and offenders are men again and again !!
@pandoraselenaWith that statement you automatically say female's are less intelligent since they have know for a while that more intelligent people tends to have more mental problems. depression. anxiety. suicidal tendency...If we should get real it isn't gender based on a geneticall level with stronger psychic, history will tell that since more female's was self destructive then males. also towards people around themand males did get the blame.It has to do with society construct religion ideology. with other words mostly external influenced how to be, think value and so on.Death with delivery is pretty low.Female's tends to be the most harmful for their children compared to males. even use them as pawns to revenge. inflicting pain and discomfort on their fathers. drag home people to have sex or relationship with just to get some feelings fulfilled before childs safety.Mentally abuse and use father's in front of the child. make drama in front. fight in front. talk shit about the father in front... I could go on. alienate the father on purpose for some revenge, there do we have the part with less fathers involved with the child's upbringing in USA... and some other thing. we could go on.You should only know how much equal rights you really have and what rights males doesn't have by law and society bios. what I know female's have the same right and opportunity as males plus many more that males doesn't.It's not the 80's.
@crazy8000 killers of under 5 yo kids are %80 men
@crazy8000 and %98 of child molesters are men
@pandoraselenaJust because statistics says it if that are real numbers doesn't mean it really is like that number when the hidden numbers comes to light.An other factor the numbers doesn't say the variables like when where in the world, if it was other kids that are boys, war zones in like Africa...even how many that really is killed and molested. the number since you only state % 😉An other thing is. that could be a huge number of reckless mother's taking home strange men. in similar fashion as Ted Bundy's girlfriend did with him. (little to comon even here I live. have been witness to it multiple times just like many other males)Female that molest children have higher rate of getting away with their actions. very well known and ignored since they can't do that much about it😉Since you begin to throw other thing's with just % numbers it gives little to strong signals of grasping for straws to have right/win no matter what.Therefore do I wish you good luck somewhere else with someone there it works on.Have a nice day.
@Agape93 mgtow stands for men going their own way. I don't think a man who goes his own way cares about anything related to women. So I doubt the ones who voted no were mgtow, and incels are usually sad because they can't have relationships which means they care for women, again doesn't sound like someone who would vote no. I think you lack the necessary knowledge to be talking about those groups.
@pandoraselena "killers of under 5 yo kids are %80 men" not if you include abortion statistics.
1. Mgtow in my experience fall into one of two buckets; men who want to live lives how they choose, which is good. Then those that are bitter due to some real or perceived slight by women. So no, i understand and I speak from personal experience. 2. Incels whilst sad are also in one of two buckets; those that just can’t seem to find love or sex but still remain decent people. Then you have those that act out or support violence against men and women because they can’t get laid. This group houses several mass shooters, rapists and overall toxic assholes. So no again, I know full well and speak of what I have personally seen, read or saw in the news. So whilst I agree mgtow may be unlikely to vote no here minus some individuals that are particularly bitter, incels have often expressed notions that women shouldn’t have rights or at least the right to refuse sexual advances from men.
@Agape93 but how can you be sure those people were truly mgtow or incel? and how can you attribute their bad behavior to their beliefs? I can go out and shoot a bunch of people and then claim that I'm a feminist and that I did that for the feminist cause, just like how the media associates people like Elliot Rodger with incels.
1. If that’s what they say they are, then that is what they are. 2. They flat out say it. When they say that chads should be shot or that Stacy’s shouldn’t be able to refuse a mans advances, how the fuck else can that be interpreted? I’m sorry hon but Elliot Rogers was an incel, and most of the toxic incels revere him as a supreme gentlemen. Face it, I know what I’m talking about. I’ve seen this, online and off. People have died because of them. People have been raped because of them. Stop trying to defend abhorrent beliefs.
@Agape93 do you feel the same way about feminism? Is that also an abhorrent belief?
No because feminism is about equality. But if you’re referring to misandristic beliefs claiming to be feminism, then yes I find them abhorrent and they need to go away.
Ahh you see! You instantly separated the crazy misandrist feminists from the movement as if they don't represent feminism but when you talked about incels and mgtow you equated the crazies with the movement itself. For every man who hates women and maybe commits violent crime and identifies as either incel or mgtow, I'll show you a feminist who hates men and commits acts of violence against men. Valerie Solanas? The biggest hero of feminists is a crazy criminal who hated men, who shot a man. Isn't that violent and abhorrent?
Correct I did, as I did for mgtows and incels. I recognize and differentiate the differences, as I’ve already stated. If you hate men, you’re not a feminist. You’re a misandrist, nothing more. So yes she’s abhorrent.
So you agree that we need to either lower male suicide rates or raise female suicide rates? Because the playong field is not fair or level right now.
As I said under your comment, suicidal behavior and mental health care is a society issue, a human issue. Suicide prevention as a whole should be a topic for all members of society to have access to, and mental health support services initiated.By putting a gender-spin on it is like saying that because men are at higher risk of heart attacks, spending on cardiac healthcare should be explicitly for the purposes of treating and preventing heart conditions solely in males.
And RIGHT'S Avery butty have's the Right's but Avery one is better than someone else at something and worst at something... There for Avery butty have's definite job's and responsible's...
There is a movement to fight for mens rights, it is called Men Rights Activism (MRA), and you've never heard of it because feminists are constantly silencing MRAs, apparently feminists think that women are the only ones with any rights to equality. They pull stunts to silence any public meeting, they harass us online, and they hire journalists to slander and silence us.https://youtu.be/GO_X4DkwA_Qhttps://youtu.be/3WMuzhQXJoY
@devilman666 I'm a feminist and I've been involved with men's movements. If there is a movement that is anti-feminist or sexist that is a different sort of group than one that fights for rights of men. Hope that clears it up for you.
PLEASE WATCH THAT VIDEO!
@devilman666 I don't watch youtube videos, if you'd like to explain it in your own words, please do.
Im sure that some feminists do get involved with men's rights activism, however most just ignore it. "If there is a movement that is sexist that is different from a group that fights for rights" Lol so what about the feminists who are anti-man? Does that mean feminism doesn't fight for rights of women? The thing is, yes, a small portion of MRAs are sexist assholes, but a small portion of feminists are also sexist assholes. It doesn't make either group sexist, it doesn't mean either group should be silenced. Hope that clears it up for you, if you want to claim that MRA is sexist then please prove that every MRA man is sexist.
@Aislin9 bullshit you dont watch youtube videos, you're just trying to be a jackass and not actually listen to what I say. The video is a ex-feminist named Cassie Jay giving a tedx talks, she is explaining how she tried to join the MRA movement as a way to expose them as being sexist, but she realized that they aren't actually sexist, they're fighting for real issues. I think it's a very worthwhile video, helps to clear up a lot of misunderstanding people have about MRAs.
@devilman666 Okay, no need to be hostile. I don't like to watch youtube videos that people send me "devilman666", please respect my rights and do not try to force yourself upon me. That's good. I'm glad she found something she agrees with. Nothing wrong with men's rights as long as they don't tear down women in the process.
No need to be dismissive, yet you are.Okay but the point is that you can't just assume these groups are tearing down women.
@devilman666 I didn't say that, that is your assumption. Just because I don't want to watch your youtube video, doesn't mean I'm dismissive. You're absolutely hostile to me and I know it's because I'm a woman.
You know it's because you're a woman? That is your assumption."Nothing wrong with men's rights as long as they don't tear down women in the process" this is extremely dismissive. Imagine a man saying, "nothing wrong with feminism as long as you dont tear down men in the process.", the problem is that the comment inherently assumes that feminists/MRAs are constantly trying to tear down the other gender.
@devilman666 I wasn't specifically targeting you but now I see you are like that. Get lost now, I have no more time for misogynists.
@devilman666 you are sick
True that, so why is this question about women not having rights to show their breasts? I mean, they can do whatever they want. They can criticize, but there will be nothing wrong with showing bare breasts. We just have to show them our breasts as we walk around, but if this was not illegal (I'm not sure if it is), I'm sure some people might do that.My 12 year old sister doesn't wear panties to bed and she will show her breasts, giving our one year old sister a bad example.
Believe me I got no problem with women walking around topless and I know men get to do it (in almost all places) and women dont. It should be legal as at least just for breast feeding mothers.
It won't give a bad example to anyone, unless you sexualise it in front of them. I know for a fact in Germany, many families with children from all ages go to nudist beaches. It's a pretty popular thing to do in Germany. Coincidentally or not, german teens are less likely to sexualise a random person they see in the street. Also, I know for a fact, and you do too, that many tribal communities in Africa and South America, live in societies in which women roam around freely with their breasts in the nude, and you don't see their men drooling or trying to rape them all the time. I personally couldn't care less about this topic, but the more common bare breasts become, the faster the sexualisation associated with them will disappear.
I don't know any facts about Africa and South Africa. I just think it unsettling to see woman with their breasts out. I'd feel uncomfortable doing that. I mean, I do see my mom's breasts whenever she is in her room, finished taking a shower. She's comfortable doing that because we are her children.I guess many people grew up differently and thought differently about this. It has to takes lots of confidence into showing bare breasts. I just don't have confidence.The reason why I object this, because you'll never know if there may be a man or men out there who'll be spying on nudity of women with cameras. We'll never know.
Why I think it's a bad influence on children is because my little sister is just constantly showing her breasts and I'm not ok with that.
I agree that the world is pretty fucked up, but what I'm saying is, if our society accepts the human body for what it is, just like other societies, then there will be no need for "men" to be taking pictures, or peeking, because there will be no sexual context to seeing breasts or even a vulva and a penis, because people will have gotten over it. The more you see something, the less excited you are about it. This exact problem is preventing women from breastfeeding their babies in public, and there is no place to go sometimes.
Your mother has requested an immediate termination of unsuccessful progeny. She deeply regrets it and vouches to never birth another grossly distorted, clearly intellectually delayed specimen.
What the hell is meant by men being 'superior'? I think men and women are not the same and have different strengths and weaknesses, but one isn't superior over the other. Do you honestly think your father is superior to your mother (who probably raised you the most anyway)?And yes I can 100% deny it.
Care to give an example on which rights should be different?
Feel free to live among the Mosuo if this society is too horrible for you.
@David_Kek No, thank you. I live amongst upper class intellectuals. You however can shoo back to whichever hole you’ve crawled out from.
@David_Kek And by the way, you uncultured troglodyte, it’s maasai. The masuo are a chinese minority with no particular distinctions over modern society.
Oh god! You poor oppressed woman. Please, tell me where i can send you my £2 a month so you don't run out of champagne.
The Masuo are Matriarchal, in which the "elder female is the head of the house and has absolute power". Seriously, people like you are a joke.
Never really did 😉
The fact that men get triggered makes me more sure I am right. Women voted that they believe we should hae equal right, many men didn't. And it needed feminism unless you are completely ignorant about history
Sounds like someone have ben reading rewriten history or are little to ignorant and accuse other's to be that 😉
I know that women didn't have the right to vote, go to school and many more. That id a fact. And almost 20% of men saying we shouldn't have equal rights proves women are still seen as lesser than men. This wasn't asking if we. are. equal, but if we should have equal rights
I don’t think you read what some of the ones who picked that one said. One said that complete equality is technically impossible because men and women will be treated differently anyway because of how their brains are wired and average upper body strength. Some other guy wanted equity which is what I believe the feminazis want. Some others wanted her to define equality a little better etc. Besides, the fact that we got this close to 100% means that we don’t really need any more because if we weed out the ones who were confused we would be left with trolls and people who actually believe men and women shouldn’t be equal which we can never technically get rid of completely. I think we as a society has done a good job with this.