Do you support gender equality?

[Subarugirl]

Yes

No

Updates

+1 y

I am shocked that nearly 29% of men who answered on this poll do not believe that access to rights or opportunities should be unaffected by gender...

[ohshee]

I do . but it's all changed younger people have names and titles for everything now. There more followers than leaders common since is sometimes hard to find and everyone thinks they are right

And when two people dont see eye to eye in stead of fixing it they become loud right fighters

I'm old school I work as a team player I'm going to respect you if I see someone struggling. I'm not going to say anything I going to give them a helping hand and when finished start doing my thing I'm not going to help because they are a man or a women I'm going to help because
I've been there before and when you help someone and they
pay attention they might learn a new way

There are people with different experiences different levels of knowledge skills but no matter what we are all human beings and there's only one level of that whether you're a man or a woman there's only one level of respect either you respect or you don't people sometimes take gender equality two be made into something more do they can't do this or they can't do that we're not talking about that we're talking about I'm going to treat you the same way that I treat her and you should do the same thing you're going to treat her the same way you treat me and if people don't understand that and they don't respect there's no other titles for it there's no other way to look at it either you're confident within yourself and when you're that then you can respect everybody but if you're not confident within yourself then they're always has to be a new word or title like simp or she is a girl she can't do that it has nothing to do with any of that everybody the way you want to be treated is what the way it should be no matter what no matter who they are black white woman man old young good day or bad day and nobody on this planet is any better than anybody else anyway so why even go there

[libsaretards]

I voted yes, but it depends.

Are we talking equality under written law?
The written laws are equal, but interpreted heavily in women's favor. A man is guilty until proven innocent and a woman's word is trusted without question.

Are we talking equality in pay?
The law already prohibits unequal pay for equal work. For example, if a man and woman are both McDonald's cashiers with the same experience, education, etc. it is illegal to pay one more than the other. However, if the man calls out of work a lot and she shows up all the time, her check will end up bigger due to more hours worked. Same the other way around. If a woman misses work due to pregnancy, why should a workplace have to pay her because she opened her legs to a man? In the eyes of the workplace, you only get paid for the hours you show up. As for overall pay among genders being higher for men, this is because men tend to take on the riskier jobs in society.

Are we talking equality in custody battles? That battle is not even close. Even states that claim to not favor the mother in the law do so under the judge's interpretation. Women win waaaaaaaaaaaaay more of these battles than they should.

Are we talking equality in mental health? Women get waaaaaaaaaay more support than men. Women can talk it out and cry and not be looked down on but if a man does so he is weak.

Your question is too broad. Also, there is true equality then there is Leftist bullshit equality.

[SaartjieJane]

I’m no feminist nor do I support it.
I will say that I support gender equality mainly for all the women who have suffered by the hands of men. From women being forced into marriages by their fathers to women who were weren’t allowed to vote, have jobs, own a home, have opinions, make choices for their families, who never got to experience an orgasm/never sexually pleased. For the women who had to give all their money to their husbands, the husbands that had legal power over their wives that they could literally imprison and beat and rape if they felt like. The women who couldn’t leave a marriage because they couldn’t take her kids with her, to the women who divorce their husbands and lost her kids. To the women who do the exact same job as a man and still get paid less than the man.




Honestly I could write a book as to why I support gender quality. Incredibly sad we let women down, let them suffer so much in the past.
I of course also don’t support women putting down men for zero reason. Not all men are the same.

[Screenwriter]

It's not gender equality because the genders ARE NOT equal. They are different.

It's gender EQUITY. Offering equal opportunity for men and women to use their skills in the marketplace.

A 6'3 inch 225 lb man is not physically EQUAL to a 5'2" 135 lb woman in strength due to great differences in size and the man's testosterone level that develops more muscle mass. However, the woman should be given tasks that apply to HER strength skillset, just as he will be given tasks that fit his.

A high school educated man cannot compete with a master's level women entomologist in the same field because of the vast difference in levels of knowledge. However, there is a place for both the man and woman fitted to their skill levels. This is equity.

And it sets EVERYONE UP FOR SUCCESS!

[Subarugirl]

I’m going off of how gender equality is defined.

gender equality
noun
the state in which access to rights or opportunities is unaffected by gender.

[H8INCHES]

"The concept of equity is synonymous with fairness and justice."
Going by this, Equity is the wrong term. Equality is correct.

[Screenwriter]

@H8INCHES It is fair and just that people are given broad and similar pportunities. But they all can't be EQUAL. The high school grad cannot have equal opportunity with someone with a master's degree in his same subject. The apprentice cannot have equal opportunity with the master plumber. This applies similarly with men and women. It's all about what skills they have.

Now, if you're talking about a man and woman who equally have no particular skills. Then their opportunities for work/education should be similar. Still, if testing shows the woman has boom math skills and the guy has better empathy skills, it would appear their natural skillsets divides them into different subsets of jobs.

But all jobs that they're qualified for from their skillsets should be open to them. If that's what you mean by equality, I suppose that works. I still say just and fair are what make people most equal and stave off prejudice and bias.

[Kayla45]

I do support it to an extent, fundamentally when it comes to rights yes. However, both men and women are physically different with differences in physical anatomy. Therefore I believe in some situations women shouldn't do certain tasks that men are better suited for. That's just the facts and reality of it, like I was asked a while back ago if a pregnant woman should work a job anyway, and to that I answered no.

So really I'm just an advocate for having the same rights as men, but not necessarily equal to men. If that makes sense. Men and women cannot physically be equal because we are both different in our anatomy.

😊

[Kayla45]

And what I mean by that is certain situations arise where maybe the woman isn't able to do some things either based on physical strength or something similar.

[Subarugirl]

That's what gender equality is. Equal rights and opportunity.

[Kayla45]

Well yeah, if it's equal rights and opportunity then sure, but you also have to take into account the repercussions that men also face would be equal to that of women if it were equally balanced. Like in a professional work setting if a man gets fired for X reason the woman who does the same thing should also be fired for X reason and not let loose because she's a woman.

[KrakenAttackin]

@Subarugirl. What "rights and opportunities" do you not have as an American woman?

[Subarugirl]

@KrakenAttackin im talking about gender equality... that applies to both men and women.

[JessicaEarl]

I support equality, which means I don’t support giving women special treatment. I don’t support choosing an applicant because they’re a woman, or denying them because they’re a woman. I don’t support telling men they can’t have a say on a topic because they don’t understand. I don’t support the removal of the term woman to replace it with “pregnant people” or “people who menstruate”. I support woman because it is half of humanity and a very important half. Woman deserve equality under the law, which means men do too. Otherwise it’s not equality.

[Jabberjaw]

I don't believe it exists and because of that I don't necessarily support trying to seek it out in society.

From a legal standpoint obviously, we should all have the same legal rights but if we're talking about just social behavior towards one another?

I don't support it. A man is simply never going to get the same treatment as women do, nor should they. And women shouldn't expect to get male treatment either.

True equality runs deeper than anyone is willing to go. So deep that I think it's simply impossible. Like statistically speaking how many mothers would be willing to hire a straight man as a baby sitter for their children that isn't a relative or close family friend they've known for years?

Not many. But that's a clearly example of inequality. One that nobody is going to fight against

[FunkyMonkee]

The way I look at it is: your body is your car. You are in complete control of that car. ALL drivers are equal! It's just that some are driving pink cars (so to speak) and some are driving blue cars (so to speak). As ALL drivers are equal, there SHOULD be no difference between them, as far as the treatment they get from other drivers. It's just that those of us in pink cars MIGHT need a bit of PHYSICAL help from those in blue cars, from time to time and some of those in blue cars might need some emotional help from those in pink cars, sometimes.

[crmoore]

Depends on what you mean but most likely yes. Like equal opportunity, near-equal rights (before you criticize me, for example, I mean like a male shouldn't be owed services intended for females like bikini waxes FOR females, which is technically unequal treatment).

But I also support inequality whenever it's preferred and consensual. Like some women like it when their man takes charge in a relationship. Obviously The power dynamic isn't equal but that's what some people like and that's okay.

[crmoore]

I'm not sure if I'm included in that 29%. But if I am, I'd like to ask you if you think that males should have the same access to, and rights of getting, tubal ligation?

Do you think that if a male were to ask for that procedure he should be denied due to him being a male?

I'd assume your answer is yes, and if so (assuming you include opinions like man, and now yours, in that 29%) perhaps that 29% isn't as unreasonable, or perhaps it isn't accurately represented. I'd imagine most people would support denying a male from receiving a procedure intended for female anatomies.

[crmoore]

Opinions like mine*

[Subarugirl]

Well what you are asking is a false equivalent.
Tubal ligation ( also known as sterilization) is a procedure that is performed on fallopian tubes, so unless you have fallopian tubes, a medical procedure cannot be preformed on anatomy that isn't there. If you want to be sterilized, that is definitely a procedure that you can get. A man wouldn't be denied that procedure because he is male... he would be denied that procedure if he didn't have the anatomy required for it. If I had a full hysterectomy performed and then asked for a tubal ligation, I would also be denied because you can't operate on something that isn't there...…

[Subarugirl]

Also men can get bikini waxes.. or full brazilin waxes... there are many who do on a regular basis.

[crmoore]

It's not a false equivalent. Someone does or does not have the ability, privilege, right, or whatever you want to call it, to get tubal ligation.

In 99.99% of circumstances, I'd be willing to bet a male is denied that procedure, thus, there is not gender equality. A female can have a service that a male cannot. Obviously this is a very clear-cut and indisputable example, and that was intentional, to make a point that we can work off of in continued discussion. So let's move on to a less-clear example.

Yes, men can and do get Brazilian waxes. But the question is now if a business opens up with the intent to give females Brazilian waxes because their personel, often women, are comfortable seeing a female naked and performing the procedure on a female, but easily could NOT be comfortable seeing men naked and interacting with their body, including 'delicate' and 'personal' areas of that man's body, should these women be forced to service males in the same way they'd service a female for the sake of "gender equality"? This is not a rhetorical question, please answer it directly.

(Response continued below)

[crmoore]

Because this actually happened. A male, identifying as a woman, went to get a procedure intended for "women" (though they meant females). And they denied that male the waxing. Not only were the females working there uncomfortable with doing such a thing to a male's body, but performing the service the same way they'd perform it on a female would actual risk damage to the male's scrotum, as the procedure was intended for females, not males. And yes, the male was demanding to be treated exactly how a woman would be treated.

As a side-note, if I recall correctly, this male had also been charged or convicted of sexual crimes in the past, so perhaps there were oddities or intricacies that aided in the decision to deny this male the service beyond simply him being male. But that's besides the point, the real point is that treating each gender exactly the same in every single feasible scenario isn't reasonable, as you have already admitted. In the scenario of tubal ligation, a male and female are treated differently and unequally.

And yes, they are denied because of their anatomy. But their anatomy is the way it is because they're male. Personally, with all due respect (I truly, truly mean that. Please do not be upset), but I think this remark of yours may be a bit biased (though that is speculation on my part, you're free to prove me wrong regarding this next example). Let me give you an analogy. I assume you'd oppose a construction company saying "we aren't denying woman a job because they're a woman, we're denying them a job because of their anatomy. You see, female's have less bone-density and less bone-surface-area at muscle-attachement sites (among many other physical differences between men and women). But its not because she's a woman, it's because of her anatomy." Obviously, just because the direct reason provided is her anatomy rather than her sex, it's still because she's a female.

[Subarugirl]

You can preform a service on something that doesn't exist...

[Subarugirl]

*can't

[Subarugirl]

That is gender discrimination, because it is based of gender and not ability..

[crmoore]

I agree, you can't perform that operation on a man. Thus, a man and a woman would be treated unequally in this situation.

And yes, it is gender discrimination. But it is also gender discrimination when you deny a man the ability to get tubal ligation. In both circumstances, anatomical inclinations are the reason they're denied the opportunity, which is directly tied to their sex.

[Subarugirl]

They would be treated equally if they had the same anatomy… has nothing to do with gender and everyone thing to do with the body parts present.

[crmoore]

Yes, and that also applies to the construction occupation example I provided. It's not about their gender, its about their anatomy.

Another example I could use is the Olympics. Males and females compete separately (or at least in 99% of circumstances). People weren't separated by their anatomy, they were separated by their sex (or gender, in some more recent circumstances, of which might be overturned soon). However, they were separated by their sex DUE to their anatomy, not due to their sex. So as you can see, sex and anatomy are closely connected (as I'm guessing you already know). Otherwise, why not let women compete against men in the Olympics?

But this is going on far too long. Clearly you agree that men and women do not receive the same treatment under all circumstances. And clearly you agree there should be equal opportunity for things like jobs, academia, and many other things and for as many things as we can reasonably apply equality to.

It seems we more or less agree on where equality can and can't be applied, and we both seem to agree we'd like it applied as much as we possibly can.

So I ask you, did you include my response in that 29%? And if so, do you think grouping my opinion with the others was fair? Do you think you're accurately representing my perspective by doing so?

This next question might be a bit off-putting to hear, but I mean it as respectfully and decently I can. But if you don't think you were representing my stance fairly, did you do it because you value bolstering your point/stance over the truth?

And while we may have differing political opinions, I'd like to think I've been nothing but civil with you. So I'd appreciate it if you were to answer these few questions directly.

[Subarugirl]

They Olympics are completely different than a medical procedure designed to be performed on a specific body part, or a job. There ability to qualify should be based off of their ability to perform the task, and not their gender. Women can have just as much bone density as a man. If you compared a woman who has been working out and lifting weights regularly for the past two years to a man who has not, she is most likely to have a higher bone density than him.

[crmoore]

It's only been 6 minutes since you've responded. It only addresses one part of my response. So I'm not sure if you've finished and I can begin responding, or if I should wait for the rest of what you may have to say.

[crmoore]

Alright, I presume that was your response.

Did you read what I had to say or did you stop after the Olympics part?

[Subarugirl]

I did answer your question. My answer is that a service, job, medical procedure, etc. should be based off of the person's ability or available anatomy.

Everyone should have equal opportunity. With that being said, not performing a medical procedure on someone that does not have the anatomy for said procedure would be no different than not giving person with no feet a pedicure.

[crmoore]

That is merely one question I asked in the response in question. You seemingly didn't read, or disregarded, a third of my response. (Though, if a woman can have just as much bone density as a man, does this mean you're in favor of abolishing gendered Olympics?)

But more importantly, the part I'm most interested in hearing from you about is paragraphs 4 through 7. And I don't see a response from you that regards them.

[crmoore]

And there are several questions in those paragraphs that you did not answer.

[Subarugirl]

I took a poll, so I have no idea which answer you selected. If you selected no then yes you would have been a part of that percentage.

I think that a lot of your examples were false equivalents.

The truth is that everyone is different and the accommodations should be made so that every one has equal opportunity regardless of their gender, period.
If you want to talk about, strength, or ability that is a different situation.

[crmoore]

Alright, I'm glad to hear that. I was merely curious if you took comments into account as well, and if so, whether mine was paired with notions I don't consider to be alike.

[HighValue]

Sure. I am waiting for my exclusive scholarship for being a man like women get.

I am also waiting for women to spend more time in prison. (A woman teacher in Clovis was convicted of molesting her student and got no jail time, only 1 year of an ankle monitor where as a man teacher got 15 years in the same state not long before).

[Subarugirl]

I didn’t qualify for a scholarship.. though I don’t see you any of those thing have to do with gender equality

[HighValue]

You must not be from the USA then. There are scholarships exclusive to women, but not exclusive to men.

You don't understand that a man receiving more jail time for the same offense as a woman is against gender equality? Seriously?

[Subarugirl]

I was born and raised in the US… and yet… didn’t qualify for one scholarship even though I was an honor student…

[Subarugirl]

We’ll know the justice system is fucked up… basically everyone agrees about that… even my sexual abuser only got 30 days in jail

[HighValue]

Are you already finished with college? If not, maybe search "Scholarships for women." It also depends on your income level and what you major in.

[KrakenAttackin]

@Subarugirl. "I don’t see you any of those thing have to do with gender equality". That's because reality doesn't fit your programed narrative.

[Subarugirl]

Yep. I am and my husband has his masters. Let’s get back on topic though.. do you know what gender equality is?

[HighValue]

Yeah. Gender equality would be the same benefits for the same work (not the same pay for less work which is what happens now in the USA). It would also mean the same consequences for the same actions and the need for the same qualifications for a promotion or to get hired in the first place. All of those circumstances currently greatly favor women in the USA. The system is actually systemically sexist against men.

[KrakenAttackin]

@Subarugirl. I know what "equality" is, somehow I think "gender equality" is something entirely different.

[Subarugirl]

@KrakenAttackin and how would you define it?

[Subarugirl]

That’s literally what gender equality is…

[Subarugirl]

Equal opportunity and rights

[KrakenAttackin]

@Subarugirl. Than why do you need to stick the word 'gender" In front of equality?

[Subarugirl]

@KrakenAttackin uh that’s the name. The phrase. How ever you want to define it. The description Gender Equality, defines a specific moral.

[KrakenAttackin]

@Subarugirl. I will ask again. What is the difference between "equality", and "gender equality"?

[Subarugirl]

@KrakenAttackin it’s easy enough to look up….
e·qual·i·ty
/əˈkwälədē/
Learn to pronounce
noun
the state of being equal, especially in status, rights, and opportunities.

gen·der e·qual·i·ty
Learn to pronounce
noun
the state in which access to rights or opportunities is unaffected by gender.
"legislation that reflected the principles of gender equality"

[Valso]

Yes. But the problem is that feminists go too far and abuse that equality. Examples for that:
1. The divorce cases in US where the man is being robbed by the court which then gives everything to the woman and the man probably has to live in the street.
2. In my country (Bulgaria):
• If you don't have a pussy between the legs, it's much, much harder to find a job, bc the best jobs require only women - even jobs that could be done by both genders, or in some cases men can do even better than women. Unless the boss is your best friend or you fuck the boss every night - forget about having that job!
• The woman always gets the better salary, no matter what the job is or that she might be a subordinate to a guy. She gets the better payment only because she's a woman. That happens everywhere where the management staff are women. EVERYWHERE!

[laurieluvsit]

Yes, but the problem with today's activist crazies is the equality they want doesn't include men

... go figure that one out and get back to me... lol

[Jacob147]

No one should not have to think thier life will only be one thing or the other because of an influence from society and stereotypes. Sex, sexuality, race, religion, and creed. doesn't matter who you are we are all equally human.

On the other hand I dont support movements like Blm or Lgbtq. Sure thier mdssage is equality but thier agenda is political power over the next guy.

Where I stand, everyone should be equal.

[Adam1978]

Genders aren't equal so it's better if we actually use their strengths. But for things where it doesn't matter sure. So no we don't need 50% female firefighters. It should be best candidate for the job independent of the gender. So if females can't compete it will be male dominated. If men doesn't want to compete in it, it might be female dominated.

[lightbulb27]

What is that? I don't know what that means.

Some people are worth more than others, don't care who or what. accept that. in some cases, that's women.

Women should have their own bathrooms, but I should have the right to use it if the mens' room is out of order. We can call those rooms Hens and Roosters to avoid gender issues.

[Wsx2wsx2ws]

No. GENDER's are not equal they are compliments. That means each one has strengths in each field the other lacks. They both have those abilities to some extent but not as strong.
This has been proven by brain scans and experiments (social, emotional, logical,... too many to list)

Do female and males get paid the same for the same job? Is that what you are asking? Yes they do.
Might be enlightened by reading some of Thomas Sowell.

[Wsx2wsx2ws]

Well your votes are off because I meant to vote no and it jumped making me vote yes. just letting you know.

[Wsx2wsx2ws]

Regarding your update. Well its true that Gender equality isn't there. I have been divorced and see how in equal fathers are treated compared to the massive defense and rights a mother has. Men are shut out and stomped all over in this area. They clearly have no rights.
There are just areas that are completely bias. I like to think its based on the strengths of each gender. But I know I am deceiving myself at least in some cases.

[Reaper1985]

the so called pay wage gap has been greatly reduced over the last few generations. to where now females and minorities are graduating from college more then white males. source material below

https://nypost.com/2022/04/16/women-may-pay-the-price-for-finally-closing-the-gender-pay-gap/

[Subarugirl]

I dodnt say anything about the wage gap. I’m talking about gender equity

[Reaper1985]

men and women aren't meant to be equals their meant to be compatible. as in 2 sides of the same coin.

[Anonymous]

How can gender quality exist when we live in a peak time where all men and women, guys and girls do is bash each other online and in person? Another thing is how can their be gender equality when there are people who don’t want to identify with a gender. Those people will turn to science and biology 🧬 but disregard it, doesn’t make sense. Yes, I want there to be gender equality but my last comment on people who don’t want to identify with a gender because they look at as oppressive with their beliefs. I’m not lying, I’ve read this on forums, heard it in person, listened to it on YouTube.

[grega239]

No. I think its an utopian fantasy.

Equality is an absolute. Men and women are not absolutely equal.

Think of it like this:
Limes and lemons are both citrus fruits, but are different
Men and women are both humans, but are different.

You can't make naturally unequal "things", artificially equal.

Trans "women" competing and dominating in womens sports is a perfect example of what I mean.

[Subarugirl]

you do realize that is not what gender equality means right? It means equal opportunity unbiassed or effected by gender.

[grega239]

Oil drilling companies dont hire women for drilling. This is a very biased and a very intentional decision based on the FACT that men are better for this kind of job.

On the other hand, the majority of nurses are women. This is also biased and intentional because women are better for it.

What opportunity do women not have?
Seriously, i want to hear it.

[Subarugirl]

Oil drilling companies do hire women…. And gender equality means equal opportunity, not equal outcome…

[grega239]

Not for drilling. There was a tv series on discovery channel about the life on an oil rig... not once was there a woman on the deck operating the machinery.

You have every opportunity and right to send a resume to an oil company, hut the company has the right reject you based on the fact that you are a woman. You would die. The company would be sued for extreme negligence.

[Subarugirl]

Oh because it was on TV and you didn’t see one they must not exist… lol that must be it 😂

[grega239]

No. Im assuming there are no women because they dont have the physical ability for that kind of work

[Subarugirl]

Oh but there some that do for sure

[grega239]

Im stand by my claim that its 0

[crossdressingrihno]

If you and your coworker have the same job at the same company in the same location and you both do the same amount of work with the same quality of work then yeah you should get paid equally. If your coworker does a better job than you than I can totally understand and support a business for giving that person extra money. That said what's important to me is that the workplace is non-bias or as close to it as you can get while maintaining some form of ethicality.

[torossia1171]

I only support Asian women having the same rights as guys in every way because they are the most mature and nicer race of women. White and colored women just act like the slutty high school girl and constantly judged guys appearances for being younger and slim and white, if you're a woman not from east or south east asia you should be labeled a minor for the rest of your life, that's at least I would have it.

[Subarugirl]

Okay so you’re sexist and racist? You really thing that discrimination should make a come back? What next? Slavery? Sounds really familiar to hitlers ideals

[torossia1171]

I am sexist and sexually racist towards women that look at me think im a creep without knowing anything about me or socializing with me.

I don't want a race of women that have the mentality of a teenager and deliberately has babies with guys older, taller, and muscular who look and act like they belong in a maximum security prison to hold positions of power or make any influences in voting in any way, Asian women don't act like this.

[Subarugirl]

Lol apparently you haven’t know very many Asian women 😂

[torossia1171]

The few Asian women I know here in the states are nicer to me than any white, brown, or black woman, sure they may not have a thicc bigger body as I like them to have but they at least most know have much better manners and more pleasant, other races of women are just sociopathic slags that are constantly judging and b! tchy.

[Subarugirl]

oh and you aren't judgy and bitchy lol... at least I'm not a bigoted sexist racist with an inferiority complex who fetishized an entire race.

[torossia1171]

The difference us that I don't have stds or cold sores, the difference also is that I don't simp for someone that treats me like shit like what most non Asian women like In a guy and thats toxic.

[Subarugirl]

Neither do I honey...… neither do most people. Sounds like you just spend a lot of time in the wrong crowd...

[aliiiek]

Yeh keep in mind , when a feminist sayed gender equality she doesn't means the actual gender equality , because right now woman have far more rights then man and when they say something like that they mean they want even more

If a men right activist sayed gender equality he means the actual gender equality , because right now man have far less rights then woman and when they say something like that they mean they want to be equal

[Subarugirl]

At least men have bodily autonomy, but yeah. I’m taking about gender equality.

[aliiiek]

Men don't have bodily autonomy , what obortion get illegal in us or where u live?

[aliiiek]

I don't think abortion is illegal west ، but men don't have autonomy of everything , if u say no look at this "Ukraine bans all male citizens ages 18 to 60 from leaving the country"
Feminism version of equality

[007kingifrit]

let's do a little experiment, make this same question again but don't use a buzzword

instead say "do you support men and women having a 50/50 balance in each profession" and then see how the results turn out

you'll see quick nobody actually agrees with this stuff, it's just a thing they are trained to say

[Subarugirl]

Wel I didn’t ask that because I’m talking about gender equality not forcing a 50/50 balance in each profession….

[007kingifrit]

same thing

[N192K001]

Yes, and who doesn't‽

The issue, I would think, is the full extent of individuals' definition of the term & the criteria of what initiatives fall into/out of that.

[N192K001]

@Subarugirl
「We’ll know the justice system is fucked up… basically everyone agrees about that… even my sexual abuser only got 30 days in jail」
W. T. F.‽ Did he pay the judge‽ What happened‽ How does this make sense‽ Back in the Philippines, the "Revised Penal Code" (Act 3815) dictates the penalty for least & most general catch-all for sex-crimes, acts of lasciviousness (Article 336) as "Prision correccional" (anything from "from six months and one day to six years" as per Article 27).
elibrary.judiciary.gov.ph/.../20426

Here in the U. S. State of N. C., multiple months are the penalty in general… until I found "sexual battery" whose penalty is anything from 1-150days.
apps.rainn.org/.../policy-crime-definitions.cfm
A minimum of 1day ONLY‽ W. T. F.‽

It's already ridiculous that we man can't legally be raped in multiple jurisdictions, like back in the PH were "acts of lasciviousness" will have to do. But penalties (even in 1st-world nations) as light as 1month or 1day ONLY‽ The law is an f—ing joke！！！

[Subarugirl]

www.oregonlive.com/.../...t_hood_community_co.html

[N192K001]

Well, hopefully, you're doing better now, right? Have you gotten training in self-defense? It's still stunning he only got that short penalty. May he get what's coming to him!

[motownplayer2000]

Yes I do. But what some fail to understand is that equality doesn’t mean the privileges you get with being equal. It also means sharing responsibilities..

[FenderMustango]

I do support equality for all genders, race etc. Only thing thay grates me is when women seem to have to one up us men just because it's taken a long time to be equal. Take films you don't need to have a female James Bond , creators should come up with new powerful characters that portray them. Do not take already exiating male characters and change gender, that is Hollywood being lazy and an even more insult that they can not give females their own identity.

[jasco]

Sports way I don't really understand what they mean by equality. Sports is competitive, you gotta be the best. Work wise, I do believe that everyone should get the chance if they are capable of doing it. Pay wise 100% so in short it depends on what your talking about

[Red-Blaze]

I mark yes but I will point to true one
No easier path for one over the outher to encarge it to show
but true same ground for both and let the best win :)

[exitseven]

I believe in gender equality. I do not believe in quotas and having somebody based on what gender that are.
Lets face it, in sports that require a lot of physical strength the two genders are really not equal.

[Anonymous]

Equality of opportunity sure, equality of outcome, not a chance.

If you ask a question like this without realising how undefined equality is, you're probably a young naive feminist. (It's the mistake they most often make )

[Subarugirl]

gen·der e·qual·i·ty
Learn to pronounce
noun
the state in which access to rights or opportunities is unaffected by gender.

[Opinion Owner]

Hey dipshit. I said I was in favour of that.

[Subarugirl]

Whoah no need to get so defensive. I was defining what I meant by gender equality….

[DeltaCharlieEcho]

I support equality, but the basis of equality is understanding that there are differences between the sexes. Equality means accepting that reality and using your natural aptitudes to benefit those around you. I do not view hiring or selection quotas as equality. Modern equality theory is a lie.

[Dargil]

I support equality... equal opportunity and equal protection under the law.
I do not support "equity", which is forced equal outcomes, such as racially prejudiced college admissions.

[AviatorTom]

No. Males and Females are not equal and never will be. I DO support EQUAL OPPORTUNITY for all, regardless of gender.

[Subarugirl]

That is gender equality, that’s pretty much the definition of it

[AviatorTom]

@Subarugirl With all due respect, it's not! Liberals have used the word "equality" to try to make the genders equal, and they're not. A man will never give birth. And no woman will ever get another woman pregnant.

[Subarugirl]

Gender equality is define as the state in which access to rights or opportunities is unaffected by gender…
Equal opportunity is define as the policy of treating employees and others without discrimination, especially on the basis of their sex…, race and age.

… by definition it’s pretty much the same thing

[AviatorTom]

Re your update. If you're going to be shocked, why aren't you shocked that 12% of women said No, in addition to the 30% of men. That's almost one-third (62/193) of both genders that said No.

[Subarugirl]

No actually that doesn't surprise me...

[jshm2]

Depends how many genders you think there are, kiddo.

Do you really think you can shine the shoes, let alone be equal to, someone who identifies as an apache attack helicopter, for example?

[genericname85]

no. i don't want the genders to be equal. i want everyone to have equal chances and rights. i want there to be individual differences and gender typical choices, cause to me that shows that shit is normal and healthy and not sick and fascist.

[Subarugirl]

Having equal chances and rights is basically the definition of gender equality

[genericname85]

so you've never heard of those nut cases who're trying to force equality into the gender statistics by applying sexist discrimination into universities and labour market to make it such that there's 50% women and to make it such that women earn exactly as much as men even though they make different carreer choices on average? i wouldn't mind that shit if it was a societal side note like those idiotic flat earthlers. but in my country, the actual politics are pushing that insane fascist nonsense.

if it "was" just about equality in front of the law, i wouldn't have an issue with gender equality. but that's not what it means anymore.

[Subarugirl]

That’s not gender equality

[genericname85]

It is. You gotta be more precise in what you say. You want equality of opportunity, I'm with you. Equality of outcome and I'm against you. Both is requalify. One is good one is bad. And my government does it wrong.

[genericname85]

Equality. Not requalify*

[genericname85]

The point is you're not the authority in defining gender equality and neither am I. You can disagree with what i just explained certain people call gender equality. But they still push for that and I'm against that.

[Subarugirl]

The definition of gender he quality is pretty straightforward. However if you want clarification on the definition of a word then it would be a lot more simple to just ask. Don’t you think?

[genericname85]

The definition of a word doesn't emerge from webster's dictionary. It emerges from symbolic interactionism. How people (specially people in power) use it and what they make it to mean. Go make a poll. See how many other think that the gender pay gap and the glass ceiling are a thing

[genericname85]

It's massive misinformation that makes people have wrong ideas of what equality means. It's not few people that use gender equality to mean equality of outcome and in order to not be lumped in with this people, i decided to be against equality. Even equality of opportunity is slightly problematic these days, cause people creep claiming that statistical differences are result of inequal opportunity and therefore wanna correct this with discrimination.

If you don't see that problem, that's ok. I've explained my position to you and i think you get it.

[EmmaMary]

Whilst I naturally fully support it, sadly it will never get to fruition.

[Spikey_uwu]

We should always be striving for justice and egalitarian betterment of society

[Lifelive96]

Of course i support it. It is ridiculuous to argue about this in this age. This is the fact that we are equal and have the same rights.

[Subarugirl]

We don’t though, not really

[Lifelive96]

Yeah, i mean we should have.

[altdbob]

I am fucked if I do and fucked if I don't so maybe. I would need to know YOUR definition of gender equality before I would begin to answer that question.

The way I see it all the women wo bitch and complain about not being equal are the same ones complaining about having to compete in sprots with transgender people.

You can't have it both ways.

Now if you are talking about equal pay for equal work, I see no problem with that.

[KrakenAttackin]

Equality of opportunity, yes. Equality of outcome, no.

[Subarugirl]

So that’s a yes. Thank you

[Anonymous]

Absolutely. Regardless of being a man or woman, your skill and ability to perform a job should determine the outcome, not your gender. Men and women are different but still should be treated equally.

[Anonymous]

I support REAL gender equality. Do women want the same rights as men, fine, but she has to have the same responsibilities as men.

Same for the feminists. They say anything a man do, a woman can do better, but should not put herself on a pedestal and expect the top 20% of men to come for her.

[menina]

Yes, of course I do. But I know that's something that it will never exist.

[Blackcosmo]

If you mean LGBTQ+ I don't support but I don't discriminate so technically I'm neutral.

[Blackcosmo]

Oh never mind it was just about females and males. Yes I do support gender equality.

[Iron_Man]

Lol you are good

[Blackcosmo]

@Iron_Man Lol wdym?

[Iron_Man]

You seem to be a good down to earth girl that you don’t support LGBT you’re a good kid May I ask are you a Christian?

[Blackcosmo]

@Iron_Man Sorry I won't reveal my religion but yeah I'm pretty down to earth.

[Iron_Man]

Well I’m proud of my religion Im Christian

[DryGermanGuy]

I really wonder who would actually vote No here? :-D

[InsertNameHerex]

I support most types of equality. Whoever doesn’t scares me and quite frankly I hope I never encounter anyone like that 💀


And yes I mean actual equality and not misandry/misogyny before the annoying people reply to this

[PatriceONeal]

Yeah let me sit like I sit on the train!

[Fa1con]

I support equality under the law and nothing further. Any preferential treatment--however well intentioned--is discrimination.

[The_Shadow_Dweller]

I do. But equality to only those women who deserve it.

[Subarugirl]

What do you mean by that

[The_Shadow_Dweller]

Not all women are good. There are some who tend to exploit things they should not, tarnishing the whole gender's name in the process.

So, equality to all but leaving such women behind. Same can be applied for men and other people exploiting things provided to them.

[SomeGuyCalledTom]

I support equal opportunity regardless of gender. Beyond that it's every man/woman for himself, may the best competitor win, etc.

[Subarugirl]

That’s literally what gender equity is

[SomeGuyCalledTom]

No, gender equity is about equalising outcomes. Gender equality means "anyone can apply for this job but we'll hire the best candidate, regardless of gender". Gender equity means "we need a 50/50 split of men and women in our staff, so while anyone van apply, we'll only consider the gender that's currently the minority in our company." Having an equal opportunity to put your best foot forward isn't the same as having equitable outcomes enforced artificially.

[SomeGuyCalledTom]

Unless you meant to write 'gender equality', in which case I agree.

[Subarugirl]

Actually it’s not.. it’s essentially equal opportunity

[Aakash_Hangargi]

Equal opportunities for what?

Yup please don't tell me the definition say the purpose and where and when it is required to apply

[Subarugirl]

for everything, freedom from discrimination or oppression based on gender.

[Aakash_Hangargi]

Examples that's a broad way so give me examples my lady

[Subarugirl]

Jobs, healthcare, education, politically, and socially

[Aakash_Hangargi]

Where do you see the lack of opportunity in all these places?

[Subarugirl]

Human Rights Watch has documented the use of virginity tests by security forces in Egypt, India and Afghanistan and criticized calls for virginity tests for Indonesian school girls.
Male circumcision of male infants are widely excepted, while female circumcision is considered a violation of human rights.
In India and China, the two most populous nations in the world, there is significant data that shows a survival disadvantage for girls under five years of age. In China, girls have a seven percent higher infant mortality rate than boys, and in India, a study conducted in the first decade of the 2000s found that the risk of death between the ages of one and five was 75 percent higher for girls than for boys.
There are approximately 774 million illiterate adults in the world and two-thirds of them are women. There are approximately 123 million illiterate youths and 61 percent of them are girls

[Aakash_Hangargi]

You want people to die equally?

Customs and religion beliefs is something different you can't count that in circumcision is based on religion i don't see an equal opportunity there men and women parts are different i dont know how women's genital mutilation is done i mean like what they do i don't have any knowledge and circumcision is just removal of skin from penis head doesn't do any harm although personally i don't like it.

Like also let's say if there a rule that a Muslim man can marry upto 4 women , if i do it it's crime as i am not muslim
I can't say i want to marry 4 women , and also i don't want to

Coming to being illiterates that's due to conditioning and poverty there free government schools maybe not upto mark but something better than nothing it' solely depends on circumstances of one's own life and surroundings.

How are virginity tests discrimination it would have been discrimination if guys got virginity tests which scientifically cannot be done.

And it's a choice whether someone wishes to marry a virgin girl or not.

People sell their virginity to old rich men but i don't see the opposite so women should do that buy guys virginity equal opportunities

I mean i don't see your point of equal opportunities or equal rights here because in both case they have rights.

Like a robber knows if he is going to a shop he will be jailed but if you see he still ribs and makes that as a crime.

Not withholding someones rights is a crime but there was an equal opportunity

[Subarugirl]

scientifically women can't be checked for virginity either...

[Aakash_Hangargi]

There are ways scientifically that's why they exist based on tissue

[Subarugirl]

no there isn't... that is a myth. Look it up.

[Aakash_Hangargi]

It's been conducted from long , although it's banned i guess also there is something like that anyways.

But we were talking if equality here like equality can't be achieved here as it's totally individual entity.

So what else?

[Subarugirl]

no like it is literally impossible to tell. The medical community at large has verified that.

[Aakash_Hangargi]

Agree to disagree , but what else

[Subarugirl]

Are you a doctor? Because the doctor who wrote this article says otherwise.. blogs.webmd.com/.../virginity-tests-a-gynecologist-sets-the-record-straight

[Aakash_Hangargi]

Lol i can give other articles stating them right and you don't need to be a doctor for that because you yourself are using some reference points not being one.

But i am not going debate about it , i am saying what else meaning other than this what else?

[Subarugirl]

Okay then find a legitimate article written by a doctor in the field of Womens heath that contradicts that.

According to the National Library of Medicine. “ health professionals do not perform virginity tests because it is a violation of human rights, a form of gender violence, and most importantly because virginity testing has no scientific foundation and is medically unreliable.”
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5958548/

Are you saying that they are wrong?

[Aakash_Hangargi]

Lol i am saying is that leave this point what other points you have for equal opportunities and equal rights

[Subarugirl]

Circumcision…. Infant Male circumcision is legal and most don’t do it for religious reason

[Subarugirl]

Selective service registration is another

[Aakash_Hangargi]

Circumcision…. Infant Male circumcision is legal and most don’t do it for religious reason

May be for medical reasons as well

[Aakash_Hangargi]

Selective service registration is another

Depending skills it might be there but there is a reason for that even they sort it out with men as well

But what service are you talking about

[Subarugirl]

Selective service… and there is very little medical evidence that male circumcision that proves that it is medically beneficial. Not enough to warrant mutilating the penis of an infant….

[Aakash_Hangargi]

There is medical benefits for it , i know as i have been through it although not as a baby but as a teenager.

But to only to those who have the foreskin getting attached to the head completely like it won't leave the head to pop out even for peeing.

[Subarugirl]

Most males don’t have that issue, and if they did there are other thing that can be done. That’s a poor excuse to try and justify genital mutilation in infants.

[Aakash_Hangargi]

That is case dependent as i said it was my case and medically required you might think it as poor excuse because you don't know much about it.

If there was another way i am sure the doctors would have suggested why if not religious purpose then who would even think that to go mutilate penis.

Still how is this related to gender eauality

[Subarugirl]

Because it is a cosmetic procedure that doesn’t really have any medical benefits don’t to male infants…. A piece of their penis is removed as an infant generally for no reason…

[DizzyAster2]

I support equity over equality.
Men and women are equal in terms of importance, but have different needs.
It's important to meet the needs of both so that true equality can be met.

[joeldalton]

I support equality of opportunity. Not equity or equality of outcome.

[Subarugirl]

Lol that’s what gender equality is.

[joeldalton]

That's the textbook definition, yes. But we see a lot of leftists conflating the two.

[Subarugirl]

Oh yeah just like how a lot of guys do with the definition of feminism

[joeldalton]

Feminism is cancer.

[Subarugirl]

lol feminism is based on gender equality.. equal opportunity

[joeldalton]

Lol, not anymore. Because you have equality. There’s no reason for feminism now

[Subarugirl]

I may, but there are millions who don't...

[joeldalton]

Not in any western country.

[Subarugirl]

And women in non-western countries matter less?

[joeldalton]

lol, no dummy. But you aren’t doing jack shit to help them.

[Subarugirl]

Actually I sponsee several girls in 3rd world countries… what do you do?

[joeldalton]

Giving money to charity is noble, but that’s not changing the culture in those countries. I raised two daughters to not be feminists.

[Subarugirl]

I’ve been there and met them…

[joeldalton]

Here’s your halo

[Subarugirl]

So what do you do?

[joeldalton]

I told you. I raised two daughters that aren’t feminists.

[Subarugirl]

So you raised two daughters who don’t believe that they should have the same rights as men?

[joeldalton]

I raised two daughters that aren’t shrill harpies screaming in pussy hats.

[Subarugirl]

Great job avoiding the question

[joeldalton]

Lol.

[Subarugirl]

Yea or no?

[Christian65]

I would like a world where human identity groups are more dynamic and equal yes. a lot of people who claim to support equality only support it in specific areas while expecting certain benefits because of previous rules and attitudes.

[AssholeNumberOne]

Yes. And I'm talkin no woman getting more rights than a man. That ain't no gender equality.

[Kaamraj]

I support equality of opportunities but not of outcome.

[HippieVeganJewslim]

What’s up with outcome?

[peedy]

We already have gender equality but we must not forget that we are still different both with strengths and weaknesses we must have gender exceptance as well and are tradition roles must not be forgotten

[KatherineJ]

I believe that we should all be treated with respect as human human beings. That’s really not a controversial issue.

[Jamesshinobi]

every woman i have ever known did not have the ability to make decent decisions in any aspect of life if they were not guided by a man.

[Subarugirl]

how is that relevant to the question?

[Jamesshinobi]

see. you can't even understand a simple thought. its relevant because why would i want to be equal to a population that can't understand normal thought and is incapable of making rational decisions?

[Subarugirl]

Ohh I understand but Im asking you to explain your though process so that people don't jump to conclusions. Because from where I am standing it sounds like you've spent quite a lot of time around some really shitty people and now feel the need to make gross generalizations about over 50% of the populations because of it.

[Jamesshinobi]

I've spent 40 year in 2 of the biggest cities in america. I've met and work with thousands of people from all walks of life. some miserable, most not. my family is mostly female. my coworkers are also mostly female. you asked my opinion and it was given with great experience and no malice. i love woman. that does not mean i want them in any role outside of a sidekick or assistant position.

[Subarugirl]

Well that’s is incredibly bigoted and totally sexist. I hope you don’t have any daughters….

[Amarawhaaay]

That is an absolutely idiotic statement. Wow. Have you not heard of Tomi Lahren, Candace Owens, Ellen Degeneres, etc? I would be happy to explain more if needed. @Subarugirl, Why don't you help me explain to this man the stupidity of his statement?

[Subarugirl]

@Amarawhaaay because I’d rather not sink to his level

[Jamesshinobi]

@Amarawhaaay i have heard of those woman. they are wonderful and would make very good assistants.

[Amarawhaaay]

You are nothing but a bully, so I will not sink to your level. God bless.

[Still-alive]

therefore we shouldn't give them equal rights in your opinion?

[BillyBalls]

If females truly made less than males what greedy corporation would hire a male if it could save money by having an all female workforce.

[Subarugirl]

Uh what does that have to do with the question?

[TallAnon]

Do I support it? No. Do I work against it? No.
Whatever happens happens.

[Subarugirl]

so basically you don't care until it directly impacts you?

[TallAnon]

Yeap, too many problems in the world, I can't be bothered looking at all of them.
Not to mention, we're already equal by law in the countries I care about. Being equal in the minds of the people is never going to happen, so don't worry about it.

[Subarugirl]

Uhh they what about the selective service registration? Or the reproductive health rights that are under attack

[TallAnon]

Those words mean nothing to me

[Anonymous]

Feminism isn’t striving for gender equality because of the fact that it is way harder to be a guy today than a girl. An ugly guy will be forever alone and an ugly girl can put makeup on, get thin and become attractive.

[Subarugirl]

And how is that feminisms fault? Or have anything to do with feminism? Feminism is about gender equality and gender equality is basically synonymous with equal opportunity.. Sounds like you have more of an issue with women being picky about who they seep with than the equality of the sexes...

[Opinion Owner]

Feminism is a superior movement for women. You are already on top of society. You have easier dating lives, can beat on us and get away with it unless we have money or are rich and handsome so people would defend us. But if a pretty girl beats an ugly or average guy, nobody will defend that. Also feminism is a man hating movement. A lot of them always are saying bad things about men all the time.

[Subarugirl]

Uh no as define feminism is about equality and equal opportunity

[Opinion Owner]

Were you team depp or team heard?

[Subarugirl]

Depp obviously… it wasn’t a team it was about supporting a victim of assault…

[Zenit93]

Men and women are different and I rather celebrate those differences rather than trying to encourage masculinity in women and femininity in men.

[HippieVeganJewslim]

Then it should be equal for all aspects where men and women are the same.

[Massageman]

Sex equality? Yes.

Sex equity? Doesn't exist.

[Subarugirl]

Uhh no.. gender equality

[Massageman]

"gender" ANYthing is simply a mental construct some use to justify their actions.

[globetrotter22]

I didn’t vote because this all depends on who is defining “gender equality”.