Do you think overweight people should be taxed/charged more?

[foxsquirrell]

They should be taxed/charged more when using public transport for example and when using the plane so that they pay for the extra fuel used to carry them around. And they should be charged more when they go to the hospital for example because of the health issues obesity brings with it.
So this would also serve as an incentive for such people to lose weight. And why should I pay in any way for those people. If they want to be a gluten, let them be. I will not bar them from eating in excess everyday. And if you tell them something, these people, they will defend themselves, or they will tell you to mind your business.
Very well, but then pay extra when you are on a bus for, or on a plane taking up more room and making everybody feel uncomfortable! And when you go to the hospital because of problems you got into with your gluten lifestyle, pay for all the medical bills. That is not my business, not the taxpayer's business.
If I get 5 kg luggage overweight I am charged 60 more dollars!!! That's what's unethical, for those who want to go down this line! Some lawyer with his moral mouth trying to tell everybody how to think. And if it is discriminatory according to the law, then I am saying that the law is WRONG in this regard, and in the same way it was made it can be revoked or changed to make it RIGHT. Unless of course we simply need to see it from a different angle!

Yes

No

[Red-Blaze]

I think there shuld be a way to help them and insentivce them to lose wright and get health not tax them
Obisetiy is a cycale, I honestly say was kind of "Why dont they just work out the lazy f***ers but since then I got some friends that have it, and its hard to lose it
This guy is from Russia he love to get better and has no cash bearly able to afford food and at time go without, they got a lot of midical issues likely from there case, but getting better is hard, there legs are in pain all the time but they do try when they can
Without basic heathcare only get wrost (and thats not easy to do as well)
They suffer as they do, getting them healther all for it, but not by making there over all life harder

Beside if they get fat from food they pay more tax then you all ready (on that food)

[foxsquirrell]

I wonder how this guy is poor but fat at the same time. But maybe it is possible because he has excess to cheap food. I disagree that it is difficult. You simply cut down half of your daily intake of food which is actually all excessive. But if they love to eat so much, then these measures might be what is needed to make the change. If not all the vast majority of them. They will not like it if they feel like they are working for others.

[Red-Blaze]

That sadly not how it work
putting aside the crave

First fatting food is cheaper the health food, So if you don't have much money you take the lots of salt and fat items (cycle remember?)
Getting thiner has lots of methods
The onces that are about losing not just not gaining have
eat healthy, excersise, eat when needed
The amount is a small part of what fats you up, Its the what you eat as well
veg can help keep you thin, Mc is cheaper and make you fatter then the same wight in vegs

Your basic concept is off

[foxsquirrell]

So your concept is that you need to be well off to afford to avoid junk food! Is it my concept or your's which is off, considering that a kg of pasta from the supermarket is about a dollar?

[Red-Blaze]

Pasta is really not that good for you to be healthy or lose wight all that much

[foxsquirrell]

Pasta is just one example of a varied healthy food madam. Are you sure you wish to stick to your concept, arguing basically that most obese people are obese because they only afford junk food, and not simply because they love junk food and eat a lot of it like pigs?

[Red-Blaze]

Its not only anything has more then a single factor even more here that its not a small group, and you have lots of types and reasons
I how ever will argue that trying to fight it with more tax is bad and the wrong way to do it

[foxsquirrell]

You are not arguing, you are simply stating. And there aren't many reasons and factors. Don't try to hide behind such imaginary many reasons. Let us assume that there are medical reasons for obesity. That means that there is two reasons for obesity - medical, and over eating. I am simply stating that by far the vast majority of them are obese because of overeating, and they over eat because they enjoy the junk food, which is designed to taste delicious. So those who want to enjoy the junk food and the many sugary food like chocolate and cakes, they are free to do so, but please let's fix it so that they pay for their pleasure, and not have the problems they create be paid by the common fund of the community (taxes). That is not right.

[Red-Blaze]

Well first I don't argue no, I discuss
Arguing always sounds to me more like a fight
And yes I am stating what I hear and know

If you think that is the case lets tax cakes, choclets, fast food, and so on
Will that not be better?
And that also helps on what I said, as if you make that more exspincive its more likely they go for more healthy stuff
Regardless the food you eat is only a small part of it
You got exercises and genies that effect it a lot as well, I personally can't eat a lot of fat, and my body deals with it really well you can't see that on me
I also keep active

I disagree with you that they choose to be fat, or don't care about it
Regardless taxing is just not the way to go
I say make things to help them get them self to shape by making it a positive not by punshing

[foxsquirrell]

Junk food tax is a good idea I thought before. And that was what I was advocating before, until I thought that these people swines as they are would still get fat by eating lots of bread and pasta for example, if the prices of certain other foods are increased. So tax them directly. That way you are sure to get them. And I'm not going to help nothing in this case. Go try convince them to eat less and you'll see how much they appreciate. I will argue nothing with these people. Hit them directly, and you need not argue, for either they will stop of their own accord, or if not we can be happy knowing that they are contributing to society with extra taxes. I hope I have convinced you now. Stop defending your ego!

[Red-Blaze]

Maybe you know some bad people or something, I really don't know.
The once I talk to say they really want to lose weight but its really really hard for them they as much as they can pull training and all, but its hard really hard when day in and day out you can't see and changes
How ever I don't think there is any point to talk any more I mean "until I thought that these people swines" I think you made the point, and this don't seem to be so much about "helping" or "doing good" but completely "I hate fat people" or something

On any case simple to say check how many "Lose weight now" exist and think about how is it there are soooooo many if this people don't care? its about the same amount you will see "Don't lose your hair" and "better performance in bed" stuff
"This people" will love to lose weight making there life harder over all is not going to help them, your really advocating to just make other peoples life worse

[foxsquirrell]

I am not trying to help them lose weight! My main agenda is to make them pay for the added expenses they create, and not have others pay for them in any way.

[Red-Blaze]

They pay for them, they live less, move less, and suffer from pain... is that not enough as is?
My concept is deal with the issue, not with the surrounding to create a harder life for anyone, not helping the very issue you are even complaining about
Honestly taxing them on this stuff sounds more like a "HA HA SUFFER FATSO" then really trying to do anything good, for you or for them, also you basically say "Sure some of you suffer and can't help it, but **** all of you punishments"
And seen your post else where, and yes if your really big and take more then a single seat in a plane you need to pay for 2
Same on some buses and other transport, but its about the space they take as the operator can't stick more people in as of them not related to fuel and stuff, that honestly is not that much of the cost compere to others

[foxsquirrell]

Listen let me be generous with you and say that you have a different opinion. Its useless to go on. You will not I think agree with me because that would be a loss of pride. That's why I believe you are going on with this and saying whatever comes to your. So instead I have a question for you not related to this FAT TAX business. I seen your profile. What do you mean by saying that you are a red?

[Red-Blaze]

Guess its from both sides non will budge, but for me its not pride at all, its the matter that I got my friends and I know how much they try, and I hear how much they struggle so this is very much a subject to my heart
As well as the solution you propose is honestly harmful and not helpful
A solution should always try to benefit everyone not harm them

I should also maybe add that something like that could change standards of what people find attractive
On that point you may want to see or watch the short of Beauty Tax that show it pretty well

Anyway not sure what profile you are referring to
But Saying I am Red I mostly mean I am my self, I don't really group my self as a base ideal I am first of all am my self before anything else

[foxsquirrell]

Oh its not attractive at all to be fat especially if you are a women that's for sure. Its basically wrapping the human form under a thick blanket of fat, and all you see is a kind of wobbly blob. Tell your friends to stop eating like... you know what. And they will loose weight. Guaranteed.

[Red-Blaze]

Again not simply how it works
But repeating that just like that on my friends completely ignoring what said before, you made the point your trolling or just not trying to listen or anything of that sort, mot interested in a deaf battle
So have a good day

[foxsquirrell]

Same goes to you.
Have a good day.

[jennifer_bloom]

Obesity is caused by insulin resistance which can come from any number of innocent and non incriminating health factors like excessive stress or low exposure to fruits and vegetables and some people become obese by spending money on nutritional foods advertised as weight loss solutions.

[foxsquirrell]

Dont you think those are in the very small minority, and that the vast majority are obese for the simply reason that they love eating loads of junk food and sugary food which taste very good?

[PatriceONeal]

Women shouldn't vote. It's always voting for some social program to save lazy people on your dime.

[foxsquirrell]

Well said! Yeah like single mothers and maternity leave, etc.

[exitseven]

It is tempting to say yes but no we should not do this.

[exitseven]

Thanks for the MHO😎

[Anonymous]

Aren’t some very large people already charged for two seats on a plane? If they take up two, yes. Nobody would want to be stuck with half a seat at full price.

[foxsquirrell]

If that is what happens on planes good. That's how it should be. But I pretty sure that its not what happens on buses for example. There should be an integrated scale on buses, and they should be charged according to their weight. So on and so fort.

[jengeorge26]

Maybe it’s a medical problem , you should not charge extra for it

[foxsquirrell]

Yeah sure maybe it is one every 100 obese people. But the vast majority is simply because they love eating junk food and sugary foods which taste so delicious.

[In_Trance]

No.
I do think all healthcare should be user pay though

[foxsquirrell]

No I dont think all healthcare must be user paid. Its good that people help each other when in need, but not if people are creating the problem themselves due to their negligence, stubbornness, choice, etc

[WhitneySnow]

Definitely not

[foxsquirrell]

Why?

[WhitneySnow]

Cause being overweight is a disability under the law

[foxsquirrell]

So don't you agree that the law should be changed in this regard?

[WhitneySnow]

No. I don’t.

[foxsquirrell]

Then don't hide behind the law, it is actually what you think. You don't need to mention the law. I don't need you to tell me what the law is. I can look that up myself!

[WhitneySnow]

It is what I think, but I think that because it’s the law

[foxsquirrell]

I can see why you are 16!

[BeMuse]

Nope.