How many people know what "A well regulated Militia" means?

[Amur8711]

If you know, you know. If you don't know ask. I will explain it.

[CloudMassacre]

I think it means people with no weapons training go into a store and purchase a gun of their choice without any responsibility of being held accountable if that gun is used in a crime or results in accidental death. Any waiting period is tyranny, any background check is tyranny, any limits on how many guns I can have is tyranny. And I’m somehow prepared to fight against a tyrannical government. The US spying on its citizens, bombing other countries wantonly and pumping its military with billions of dollars and not helping the American people is somehow not tyranny though. And if you try to put any kind of restrictions on guns, I will become a highly threatening person who will spout violent shit, showing the need for muh freedom to be in a well regulated militia

[IsoUser]

A typical clan of usually Idiot's ready to drink the quote " Koolaid " when all is lost that is my view of any backwater Hillbilly Militia Period!

[IsoUser]

You're typically all Hillbilly Backwoods Idiot's!

[SaoirseS]

That question was settled long ago, in 2008 to be exact.

[Amur8711]

How was it settled?

[SaoirseS]

By Supreme Court decision, Heller vs. District of Columbia.

[Amur8711]

What it say?

[SaoirseS]

You can read the decision yourself, it's available online.

[Amur8711]

No, you tell me. I'm not going to go read it. Asked if you know what it means.

[SaoirseS]

www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/07pdf/07-290.pdf

[SaoirseS]

I'm not going to waste time explaining to you what is clearly written as an interpretation of law. You can do that yourself. I'm not your step-and-fetch.

If you want to give people a test, you need to know the subject matter first. You clearly don't.

[OddBeMe]

Please explain “well regulated”. Because in other usages in the period, its describes being controlled.

[In_Trance]

Most if not all American gun owners don't know what this means

[Amur8711]

What do you think it means?

[In_Trance]

This amendment was written when America wasn't even a country. Not a country in the sense that they were established with their own governing body.
This was the powers that be saying everyone needs to work together to fight off potential intruders or overtakers which was the British government. For that reason everyone gets a gun and is allowed to use it for that purpose.
Now that America is established with it own governing body there is absolutely no reason for them to one American citizens to have guns. American citizen should have guns to protect themselves from the government it empowers where most people believe they need guns to protect themselves from one another. That's how fucked up America is.
American citizens can't really tell you why they should or shouldn't have guns aside from the fact that they like them.
In no way shape or form should anyone be referencing the second amendment without referencing all the other amendments. You can't put validity to one and not the rest.
In this specific case to your point nobody knows what it actually means... Because it's an outdated document that was written with a fucking feather. The world has changed since then.
Chances are it will never change, because that's the shit show that America is

[Amur8711]

Then why didn't they say this only applies until America is established? They didn't because they knew the biggest threat and most challenging would be their own government.

[Avicenna]

In_Trance: While the 2nd Amendment is rather vague, there is a significant amount of case law on it. And the Heller SCOTUS decision doesn’t agree with your personal interpretation. People still need firearms to protect themselves from criminals, and in some rural areas, from animals. And they know this.

Your novel theory about the 2nd Amendment doesn’t explain how it might conflict with the other amendments.

[Amur8711]

@Avicenna "A well Regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed"

Sounds vague to you? 🤨

I agree with most of your statement but that.

[In_Trance]

The second amendment makes no mention of protecting yourself from criminals and frankly that's not what a militia is for well established or otherwise. That doesn't translate to Americans having a right to own a gun in my eyes. However I do agree with the fact that Americans should own guns to protect themselves from the government. But again that's not what the amendment says.
No there is no date on it because they had no idea how long it would take to establish a government.

[Avicenna]

Stop moving the goalposts, Trance. You’ve completely ignored court decisions, which interpret the 2nd and have the force of law. And I showed you why it’s incorrect to say Americans wo own guns have no idea why they do.

Your personal opinion does not take precedence over a SCOTUS decision.

[In_Trance]

I don't understand your logic of moving of goal posts. This is been in place for hundreds of years it's not going to change in any way shape or form.
Opinions for or against this are just that; opinions and they don't count for shit.
Same as court rulings. Court rulings are the closest bodies we can find to being independent to make decisions but they still form opinions before they do that. It's based on precedents so by saying that this is more important than the amendment you're saying Court rulings are more important than the law itself.
Laws are arbitrary dictates used to control a society not measures of moral compasses.
America is and always will be divided on gun control no matter how you look at it. It will never change. Actually the only way it will change is if the government disarms the citizens. That's a real possibility after we saw how everyone laid down for covid.
Because most Americans trust the government. No different than you trusting your court system.
I can tell you on the outside looking in it's a fucking nightmare. I want no part of that shit show.
the other reality is most Americans that are pro-gun can't tell you why they should own a gun because they don't understand the second amendment or the actual law the amendment was written around. Does anyone actually know that?
Americans like guns... They can't give you any reason beyond that

[Avicenna]

Your word salad is just a bunch of disjointed ramblings. I’m not going to bother to respond to it.

[In_Trance]

Is that your way of saying you disagree with logic and rationale and have no further retort? You asked a question and I answered. If your butt hurt about my answer I really don't give a shit. I don't give a shit about America either I would literally wipe my ass with its flag

[Avicenna]

It’s me telling you that you’re playing games and talking out of your ass. Your defensive response shows you can’t handle that. If you truly think the no sense you posies is logical and rational, you’re clueless.

Good night.

[In_Trance]

Smh... don't be a bitch because you're wrong

[Bratsondanielle]

Are you passed about 2nd amendment

[ArtemisSilver]

A gun club with free bran muffins.