If you get a speeding ticket, then announce a run for president, do you get away with it?

[goaded]

Roger Stone (riot organiser and convicted felon) is hinting that Trump will announce his run for president soon.

Obviously!

Nobody is above the law

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[CrazyGirl2]

I don’t understand? Did Trump get a speeding ticket now? How did Trump get a speeding ticket? While he has secret service protection, he is legally not allowed to drive, by the order of the United States Secret Service! That was the main reason that both presidents Regan and the Bush the elder cited their ranches were their favorite places to vacation, mostly because the secret service couldn’t stop them from driving on their own private land!

[goaded]

The nature of the crime isn't important, announcing you're running for president before the mid-terms just so you can make it more uncomfortable for the law to come after you is.

Take the "news" with a ton of salt, it came from Roger Stone talking to Alex Jones.

[CrazyGirl2]

Oh! Well why even bother, we know it’s not true! It’s a real pity too, my dad told me what a hero Rudy was on 9/11, despite my family all being Democrat until that stunt Pelosi pulled my trying to impeach him AFTER he lost the election, and less that 2wks from Biden taking over… my dad yelled, holy shit! They really are just out to get him! Even though I’d only been a voter for less than a month, we all decided to become Independent. But I’m still very liberal.

[goaded]

Have you been following the Jan 6th hearings? I mean, I'd expect the fact that Trump knew the crowd was armed (with everything from spikes on flagpoles to make them into spears or lances, to AR--15s) before he sent them to the Capitol to illegally disrupt the count as had been planned for a while would show they were right to impeach and the 43 Republicans who voted to acquit were plain wrong.

There's a transcript of the latest hearing here, if you're interested.
www.npr.org/.../jan-6-committee-hearing-transcript

[DarkWinterNights]

@goaded, The problem with the hearings are they all hate Trump so badly they are willing to bring anyone in as long as they have something bad to say about him. Almost none of what Ms Hutchins said yesterday sounded believable. Spears? Lol what? If there were that many people armed why haven’t there been any weapons charges? How would that many people have concealed such large firearms from everyone? It sounds like something Hollywood would write in a movie about January 6th.

[goaded]

@DarkWinterNights Maybe you should watch them, they're all about the evidence, not about hate. However, unless you think everyone should have been fine with Hitler stealing Germany's democracy, there are very good grounds for not being fine with Trump trying to do the same.

I watched a video just the other day of someone showing off the spike on the end of his flagpole Jan 6th. So, yes, spears.

There have been over 70 people charged with weapons offenses, including several with firearms, and you have to bear in mind that the police were busy that day trying to hold back a mob.

[CrazyGirl2]

Yeah, but hang on, (I may not be following the hearings, or have the in-depth knowledge that you have) but I do remember some time last year reading sone of the charges… and anyone with so much as a walking stick, cane, or even crutches were charged with carrying weapons… as for the claim of AR-15s, you are gonna have to show me a source on that one, because those weapons or any firearms are illegal to be open carried in Washington DC.! But now that I’ve answered this, I’m realizing why I am glad that I’m not watching the hearings. That other guy was right… everyone on the commission HATES Trump! Even the measly 2 Republicans on the commission, both voted to impeach then President Trump. In fact Pelosi (who hands out committee assignments) wouldn’t allow any Republicans on the commission who did NOT vote to impeach! So it doesn’t seem fair. Imagine you being arrested for a minor crime, and you were facing 1yr in prison if you loose. Your lawyer tells you “it’s a slam dunk! The constitution protects your right to do (whatever it is that you did) then you see the jury, are all people who not only know you, but they ALL hate you! There’s ex-girlfriend’s, a teacher from high school who hated you, even some former landlords who you still technically owe money too are there! You’re fucked!
So I’m not sure how much I trust the hearings! As a former Democrat (now a registered Independent, but still a very classical liberal) I am very concerned about the obsession those in the Democratic Party have towards former President Trump. They truly hate him! So, maybe they are not the best ones to have judged him! But he’s so polarizing, that people either love him, or hate him… I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone say “what President Trump? I don’t know, I guess I don’t care, I could take him or leave him… I’m basically ambivalent when it comes to Trump”!

[goaded]

Sources:
"Police radio transmissions [Jan 6th]... There's an individual who is in a tree. It's gonna be a white male, about six feet tall, thin build, brown cowboy boots. He's got jeans and a blue jean jacket, and underneath the hoodie jacket the complainants both saw stock of an AR-15. He's going to be with a group of individuals, about 5 to 8 — 5 to 8 other individuals."
www.npr.org/.../jan-6-committee-hearing-transcript

There was also a stash of firearms kept just over the border, 10 minutes away by the Oath Keepers: "the idea of the QRF being that the assigned Oath Keepers could respond to the Capitol with weapons to assist others who might be entangled with law enforcement or National Guard troops" www.military.com/.../...akeover-of-us-capitol.html

www.insider.com/all-the-us-capitol-pro-trump-riot-arrests-charges-names-2021-1
You can search for weapon or firearm, pistol, etc. There are five cases of people carrying pistols illegally (one of whom had a stash of molotov cocktails in his truck), although the AR-15 seems to have slipped through the net. Do you really think that there weren't more firearms there, considering the police were vastly outnumbered and couldn't possible check everyone?

I can't find the video of the men walking towards the Capitol with a spike on the end of their flagpole, but I know I've seen it.

[goaded]

Yes, some people with walking sticks, etc. were charged with weapons violations, but only if they were using them as weapons against the police. If I hit someone with a toilet seat, that would reasonably count as "engaging in physical violence... with a deadly or dangerous weapon".



I don't understand why you think the feelings of the committee members are important in the investigation. Police don't investigate people they think are innocent, they investigate people they think are guilty of crimes. It's increasinly clear that Trump is guilty of attempting to steal the presidency from the winner of the 2020 election in multiple ways, including violence. Can you name a worse crime in the history of the United States?

It doesn't matter what the people on the committee think about Trump, as long as the evidence they're collecting is honest and true, and most of it comes from Trump supporters and other Republicans who are testifying under oath.

10 Republicans in the House voted to impeach and 7 in the Senate voted to convict.

[CrazyGirl2]

Look, I’m really not following the hearing, as I’ve said now more than once. But I figured there would not be anything regarding people walking around with rifles, because if there was, it would STILL be all over the news! Second, regarding your statement that the police don’t investigate the innocent, they investigate the guilty… wrong! The police in this country are not supposed to investigate any person, ever! That’s what they did in the Soviet Union… In The U. S., police investigate CRIMES, and the evidence of those crimes, to FIND the suspect! Then, if enough probable cause exists, they arrest the suspect, and it moves to trial. But the Democrats have been investigating Trump since BEFORE the 2016 election, over the now completely discredited “Russia-Gate” BS, which we now know was created entirely by the DNC in collaboration w/ Fmr British spy, Christopher Steele, and paid for by the DNC and the Hillary for president campaign, and I just think that (at least) given that Trump has been under constant Democrat investigation for almost the ENTIRETY of my teens, I honestly don’t know if I would even believe anything they concluded anyway! Mostly because I am so friggin’ sick of hearing about Trump! I was too young to vote in the 2020 election, I definitely wouldn’t have voted for Trump, but now I think it’s just becoming an obsession! Seriously!

[goaded]

I'm beginning to think that perhaps you're not being entirely truthful about being neutral and reasonable. You know full well that you investigate people who you think committed crimes, it's not like there was a lack of crimes at the insurrection to investigate.

I never said the firearms were being carried openly, just that the police had been notified that someone was concealing an AR-15. Anyone saying there were no firearms at the insurrection is lying, there have been five indictments and at least one photo. The Secret Service were not letting people into the Ellipse because they were carrying weapons that would be confiscated. Trump wanted them to get rid of the detectors and let everyone in because they weren't coming for him. Which is an admission he knew they were armed and coming for someone else.

[CrazyGirl2]

Well, @goaded you certainly got one thing right. I am absolutely not “Neutral” not at all, I am VEHEMENTLY Anti-Trump! I’m just not that interested in this Jan 6th thing! But I am in favor of EVERYONE receiving the same treatment by the government for the same crime! And I believe my father was right when after learning about the SECOND impeachment (that began AFTER he lost the election…) Dad said, “Holy shit! They REALLY ARE just out to get him!” Nothing I’ve seen in the 1/6 hearing changes that opinion. And as much as I may despise him, this is not a tin-pot dictatorship, we don’t just prosecute our former leaders, because we don’t like them!
As for you saying “ I never said the firearms were being carried openly, just that the police had been notified that someone was concealing an AR-15”? You very clearly wrote this, “I'd expect the fact that Trump knew the crowd was armed (with everything from spikes on flagpoles to make them into spears or lances, to AR--15s) before he sent them to the Capitol to illegally disrupt the count” Both of which you were mistaken about. Look, you have every right to be a liberal who is very interested in the 1/6 hearing. Just as I have a right to be a liberal who doesn’t care about it, at all! We have record high gas prices, inflation is out of control, babies could actually starve this summer, and the Dems are putting their hopes into this January 6th Hearing which had such low ratings, they had to take it off television! If they don’t stop this BS, and very quickly understand that Americans don’t give a shiny shit about January 6th, not as long as gas is over $7 per gal in some places, we’ll over $5 in others, there is a shortage of baby formula, and food is so expensive people are going hungry, just so their kids don’t have to! And if the DEMS don’t learn this (and pretty damned quickly) the Dems may never hold a congressional majority again! And THAT is what I care about… NOT Donald FUCKING Trump!!!

[goaded]

There has literally never been as great a crime attempted in the United States' history as Donald Trump sending a violent, armed, mob to stop the election and stay in power. Never. Unless you'd like to name one?

[CrazyGirl2]

I believe you MEANT to say that there has never been a crime as BAD as 6/1, but I honestly don’t know, law is not my thing, so I’d have to research that… I do know that someone sold the secrets of how our ani-missile defense system works to the Soviet Union, that was a doozy, and oh yes 9/11 was a pretty major crime against the US. 3000 dead in the streets of America, and the only person KILLED during the riot in the capital, and that was a young mother… Ashley Babbitt.

[goaded]

I meant "great" as in big. The nullifying of a presidential election. The end of hundreds of years of democracy, by a president of the United States, abetted by a large part of the Republican party.

When you refer to the person who was shot while at the head of a mob, carrying a rucksack over a barricade through a broken window in a restricted area into a room with VIPs on a day when bombs had already been found as "a young mother", I think you're actively trying to play down the attack. And I wonder why?

[CrazyGirl2]

Ashley Babbitt was shot and killed in a stairwell already full of rioters, long after the VP, Senators, and Representatives had been evacuated. It was NOT into a room filled with VIPs! Jesus, it was live-streamed! You can literally watch her get killed… try it, I’m sure it will make you feel much better. Get the giffy app, you could make her death into a. gif and watch over and over and over and…
Look, I truly do not give a shit about the 1/6 hearing because everyone knows that he’ll be found guilty, executed (treason IS a death penalty crime). And we can go back to not talking and arguing about Donald Fucking Trump! Just think about this… we are BOTH Democrat voters, and even WE are arguing about this. Do you think Republicans are arguing amongst themselves about this, or do you think, just maybe they are working their asses off, working to win Democrat seats in the Senate and the House and take the majority in BOTH? T then what happens to these hearings? I’ll tell you what happens the two Republicans and all but two Democrats will be thrown off the committee and ALL Republicans will be appointed to that committee! What do you think happens next? God you’re such an asshole!

[CrazyGirl2]

Also, as a FINAL note to you in this topic, I am done troll dancing with you. I WILL NOT BE REPLYING to any more questions, answers, or trolls on this subject matter, or in this thread. So feel free to insult away, now that you know I will not answer you.

[goaded]

I did watch the videos. She was shot and killed half-way through the window with rioters behind her and VIPs in the room in front. Just like I said.

[jshm2]

No. Also, all that to evade a speeding ticket? Seems the American way.

Burn down the house, to kill a spider.

You people deserve a Yellowstone Caldera eruption, sometimes.

[goaded]

I'm not American, but I know what you mean!

[BlacklightShade]

"Yellowstone Caldera eruption". I like the sound of that.

[goaded]

@BlacklightShade Not without stepper boxes.

[OddBeMe]

I would like to say “of course not”. But as I feared in 2016, becoming president really is a get out of jail free card. I just hope the courts at least take what little money he has…

[888theGreat]

Roger Stone the 88 year old dude with arthritis that 100 law officials raided his home in the middle of night?

Wow , what a criminal. Hillary ran and she had over 100 people killed , so sure , if she can , a lead foot can run.

Obama , who gave weapons to Drug lords to kill Americans ran for reelection.

Biden who sold the office of VP for money ran with no problem.

Democrats which ask their followers to riot and burn businesses run all the time

[goaded]

Which Earth do you come from?

[888theGreat]

the real one, where you at?

[exitseven]

I do not see what the speeding ticket has to do with this? Who got the ticket? Roger Stone? I find it hard to believe that President Trump did. I do not know a single cop that would write him up.

[goaded]

The crime is not the problem, it's the apparent belief that declaring a run for president gives you immunity from prosecution.

(It's just Roger Stone, being full of shit, on Alex Jones' show, so it's probably not true.)

[exitseven]

I really don't have a clue what you mean. Roger Stone never said anything about running for president. He was just arrested over nothing by a crooked FBI.

[goaded]

Do you even notice how much bullshit propaganda you put out? Stone was arrested, charged, and convicted in court of multiple crimes. He was saying Trump would announce next week.

[exitseven]

It all had to do with the fake Russian collusion scam that Hillery bankrolled. Stone did what I would have done, he fought with the resistance. The real criminals did not even get charged.

[goaded]

I repeat my previous question.

[coldfeet11]

Pretty sure running for president will cost you more than a ticket's worth.

[goaded]

How about if you just say you are running? Especially if your publicity officer is you pretending to be someone else.

[jimmy2]

Hell they get away with murder but a speeding ticket will bring you down

[Guy13]

Yes you do…

[Guy13]

No Points on your license…pass that ticket bill off to taxpayers…

[goaded]

Just for running? Couldn't you do that once you're 35?

[Guy13]

If you’re the insurance company…are you going to test those waters and lids off a guy who just Won or Loss. Free Pass and no Toll 🙃🙃

[msc545]

Yes, if you are a Republican.