Does anyone else feel women shouldn't have careers?

[Anonymous]

I mean I don't mind if they work, if they want to, like as teacher or nurse or whatever. But I just feel like working your butt off 50 hours a week, hoping to land an executive position someday is not a suitable job for a woman

I mean come on girls, your called the 'gentle' sex for a reason. You are more gentle, more caring, less competetive. on average of course. Act to it!

Not to mention that there are some jobs that men are just better at, like the military for example. I don't understand why we have women over there in Afghanistan.

[toulouse]

business is not the only job in the world.. not a noble one to say the least. careers that involve protecting people , fighting in defense of human rights, , understanding the nature of human beings, organizing social communities, advocating justice, spiritual advising, health advising, psychiatric care, medical care, etc etc are things Women are respectful of peoples needs , differences, aspirations, spirituality, psychology , history, philosophy, potential, & abilities. Women are better at jobs benefitting humanity, precisely because they care. They can more efficiently communicate, understand, comprehend, think beyond their personal preference or power for the good of the community. Women can organize people in all sorts of situations, & precisely, because they have reason and compassion. Men are competitive, on principal for sport. not for any purpose. take selfish jobs, kill each other, for no particular reason, & die early from heart attacks and high blood pressure-- we do not need anymore of those anyways... take a look around. have you not noticed how much exploitation, oppression, misery, danger, corruption, greed, violence, deceit, genocide, war, murder, burning food for profit, child slavery, sex trafficking, sexism, racism, bigotry, lack of any resources to fix the denigration of earth.. According to united nations report, 1, billon people in this world are living in slums. 1 billion out of 6 billion- do the math. This is the world you are saying to leave to your Men.. Who you say are hard & competitive --to no particular end.

I fail to see the logic in what you have presented as some sort of 'solution' is it? To what exactly. Changes exist & persist in the world whether we lift a finger or not. When intentional changes take place, in a rational world, they would take place for the betterment of out world. I do not see how taking people -who work hard & give a sh*t about the world you live in- out of the work force, is rational.

[jrose]

I truly hope you're just trolling...

But, if you're serious, can you honestly say WHY some jobs are less suitable for women. We were dubbed the "gentler sex" because it allowed men to dismiss us as too weak or fragile of body/mind to step outside of the narrow sphere women used to occupy.

I'm not going to dispute that women and men have different traits, strengths, and weaknesses, but so what? All that means is women bring something different to the table than men in the business world, in the military, and anywhere else they choose to work. To me, the differences mean we have a more-rounded professional sphere. As for not being cut out to work 50hrs a week, you do know that pioneer women ran their homes as well as worked in the fields with their husbands, performing a lot of the hard labour right? And now lots of women work 40hrs then come home and run the house as single moms. It's tough but they're doing it- just like the single dads out there. We're capable of it if we want to be.

I'm sorry- are there no female civilians in Afghanistan who have to live in the conflict? Pretty sure there are so why shouldn't there be female soldiers? If they go, they've gone through training and know (as much as any male soldier anyway) what they're walking into and the risks, so they've accepted them and decided it's what they want anyway. Last time I checked, being born male didn't preclude you from being a casualty of war be it mental or physical.

I personally don't want an executive position, but I want a career and I plan on having one. I would never say a man shouldn't/couldn't do something just because he's a man because, outside of bearing children, he's perfectly entitled to pursue whatever dreams and goals he wants, as am I and as all people should be (here's hoping soon!). Welcome to 2011.

[Asker]

well jobs men are better in are for example the military ( no women are not set to the same standarts a men) and lets say firefighters. That doesn't mean that women can't work in admistrative positions there but men make better actual firefighters.

I'm sorry for the female civilians over there, but does that mean we should send our women over there, who officially aren't allowed in combat yet have to face it there? I don't think so

Do you think thoes people like working 50 hours a week?

[jrose]

I get what you're saying about female firefighters because physically they probably can't carry as much as the men,but that's one of the few places you'll convince me. Fighting fires,women are probably just as adept,the rescue part is the only difference.Why are men better in the military exactly?If the women want to go, then YES, they should be allowed to go. No, single parents don't like working 50hrs a week,but my point is they CAN do it so your argument that women aren`t as able doesn`t work

[Asker]

No No, you didn't read right, I didn't say women can be good managers or 50 hours a week while taking care of a kid, I said they shouldn't.

Women make bad soldiers for the same reason they make bad firefighters. If they would be held to the same standarts as men I would be more understanding, I mean I would still think its a mans job but I could see your point then, but they are not. So for their own saftey and the one of their colleagues they shouldn't be send to war

[Asker]

And I suppose in a way the army agrees with me since women are not allowed in combat. The part I don't get is why they are still being send to Afghanistan, where obviously there's a threat they'll have to face combat. And no they don't get the same training as men. Not to mention the chance of getting raped or assulted when captured.

[jrose]

If it's just a question of being raped/assaulted maybe we shouldn't send anyone- men can be raped as well you know. Less likely true, but it still happens. I could also be raped just walking down the street at home. Maybe women aren't allowed in combat because there are people like you who hold on to tradition without considering that while we're obviously NOT men, it doesn't mean we can't contribute. And we CAN be good managers but shouldnt? WHY NOT?

[genevieve]

I can actually kinda see where your coming from, but I think we should allwoed to do whatever we want. There are plenty of nurses and teachers out there, you only have to find one that loves you

[dudeman]

haahahahahahah, no if they want a career that's their decision, same if a girl wants to sloot around nobody should stop them from doing either but also they need to realize that consequence do occur for their actions

[Asker]

No we can't blame girls for doing what society expects them to do. We can't punish good girls for doing what they are told

[dudeman]

what do you mean

[Asker]

girls are expected to have jobs and careers to work hard and be able to support themselves and posibly family. They grow up learing they'll have to make a similiar amout of money like their future husband and they are told to work hard to get there. Can you really blame them for acting out on it?

i.e I don't shave my legs, but I guess I would if everyone did

[dudeman]

no you can't blame them but they have to realize if they want a family there bodies and children don't care it they worked hard they still have to put that stuff on hold for a while

[Asker]

what do you mean?

[tmlsmurfs]

Ah Dude Your A Jerk, men and women have equal rights in the workforce, whatever it is.

[fascination_streak]

I love Canada! :D :D

[tmlsmurfs]

you must not be from canada lol

[Asker]

I know they have and I think they should have this rights, I'd just hope more would exempt those rights. You know have a nice part time job they like and take care of the family

[Anonymous]

Just to be an a**hole about this I'm going to point out that you're so f***ing flawed. Wallstreet is a damn joke, look where the money hogs and their million dollar bonuses got us? Recession that's what. And YOU, you think you're 'doing the good work' and protecting women from 'evil' ha ha I laugh at your self validation for riches.

'Conservative Christian' isn't that code for I supress-my-sexuality-and-ability-to-think-for-myself? Get over yourself dude, it's people like you who have this domination itch that put women and children down and don't let them fulfill their potential. It's people like you that don't believe women should have the rights to her own body and rail against the CHOICE of birth control, sex education, and abortions. It's people like you who believe chastity rings will prevent STD's, when ignorance only spreads them. It's people like you that take pent up urges out on choir boys. It's people like you that follow blindly politicians who can see Russia from Alaska, and support a TEA part that is so damn close to making us default. It's people like you who send food, but no knowledge to Africa, who make third world populations dependent upon your kindness instead of enabling them to be self sufficient. It's people like you who scare the sh*t out of me.

And you think you're protecting us from evil? I may not know a whole damn lot, but I know this-- oftentimes ignorance is NOT bliss, dependency is NOT a solution, and conservative IS a code word for close-minded.

[Asker]

I never said I was protecting you from evil, that's ridicoulous.

And I'm very for birth control and abortions that has nothing to do with it. I know that Wallstreet is a joke, which is why I think it'd be better for women not to work there

[Opinion Owner]

And yet you can work there? Why is that?

[Asker]

what?

[Darkfairie17]

It's just not possible for a lot of families or women to just have a part time job. Living expenses are going up all the time, food costs, fuel costs, even the cost to take the bus. So I really don't think it's possible. I kind of know what you mean, but I am glad I have the opportunity to work and make money. I have no man to take care of me, and I know there probably won't be one for a while. I have a boyfriend, but I want to be able to afford to get a house and to have kids someday. Those things are incredibly expensive. That is why I am going to college to get my degree and then a career. I worked full time at a minimum wage job, it's not enough to afford life.

Plus I don't want to have to depend on a man. What if he leaves? I would be plum out of luck, I couldn't afford a home or a car or my kids. That would be the worst. I would rather work and save money, so that I have a secure future. There are no for sure's in life.

[Asker]

I see what you mean with the high living costs. I'm having a job where I could support a family so I tend to forget bout the others.

On the other hand, if more women would stay at home, the remaining men will probably get higher salaries but I'm not saying women shouldn't work at all, I think you should be able to support yourself, I just think that women have to deal with so much sh*t that I really don't think they should work 14 hours a day, if you know what I mean

[fascination_streak]

Your last paragraph is BEAUTIFUL! My thoughts precisely! If the guy leaves, becomes sick and can't work or heaven forbid dies unexpectedly then what? You need to have a back up plan and means of support for yourself and family. It's unrealistic to depend on the man solely.

[Darkfairie17]

I agree fascination_streak, it is increasingly important to have a good amount of savings now a days. And QA I know what you mean, it is hard to have to work all day and then come home and take care of kids. My mom did that, she worked shift work and so did my dad. But my dad worked nights. It's no easy feat to come home after a 12 hour shift and have to cook dinner, do laundry and clean the house all by yourself, while you have two small kids. I can see both points of view.

[Asker]

I can see your point too, I don't think you should depend on a man, but that doesn't mean you need to run for CEO at some big company.

If you just have a good part time job, where you actually do some good, while your husbands brings in the main income, thatd be perfect. And get some kind of prenup

[bsebllgrl]

Those women in Afghanistan could kick your a**. Twice. Just letting you know.

Not as if your opinion means much of anything to me, just curious what you think of my "career journey".

I started in baseball (yes, baseball, not softball) when I was 14. Was on varsity all 4 years in high school. Have helped in local baseball for the past 11 years and am currently working for a MLB team. I should have a full time job before December. For my last internship, I worked a MINIMUM of 80 hours a week. And will probably work about the same in a job. Should I not work in baseball? Should I not want to own a team? Should I not be in a male dominated field? Should I not follow my dream because it would be too many hours or because it's not a "typical" female job?

[fascination_streak]

Guess what? I am one of those women who worked my ass off in corporate for years doing 14 hour days to secure a better position. I earned an Associate Director position by the time I was 30. I am more than capable of running our organization because I took the time to learn, network and gain suitable experience. When I set my mind to something, I will make sure I attain it sooner or later. I have no regrets.

[Asker]

I never said you couldn't do it, I'm sure you can, I said you shouldn't

[fascination_streak]

Fair enough. I respect your opinion as an individual. I was raised to be independent and rise above. The stigma of it being a man's world doesn't sit well with me. If I have the same education, work experience and can perform the job just as well as a man or even better, I should be in that position regardless of my gender.

[Asker]

I just feel that women should work a nice part time job, if they like but mainly take care of the family and let their husbands bring home the money.

Women have to deal with so much sh*t that I really don't think they should work 14 hours a day

[fascination_streak]

This is one of the reasons I really like GaG. I really enjoy hearing different perspectives. I may sound like a hypocrite but I do appreciate your stance because it's "different' than the norm.

[Asker]

thank you, I respect your opinion too. I suppose you do not agree with me?

If I may ask, do you have children? Or if you will have some someday what will you do?

You know I work on wall street and I sometimes see a female colleague like 7th months pregnant and it just makes me go like wtf Your having a child growing in you, don't you think you should rest a bit

[fascination_streak]

Lol. With all due respect, I do not agree with you. I went to college and earned a dual degree. I am an adrenaline junkie, being in a high stress job where I am being pushed to sell, produce, reduce my unit costs, reduce my staff as well as taking on more responsibilities drives me. It's part of my identity. I do not have children and don't desire to have any. I think women who decide to become mothers want a balance of motherhood and a professional life.

[Asker]

ya they want a balace, but it's unlikley to get that unless they want to be stressed out all the time. Let's face it, you can't be in a manager position and have 3 children at home, if your a woman.

I don't mean to offend you, but you know the kind of job you described, I feel women shouldn't do. I can't I even put my finger on why I think so but my parents were really conservative catholic and I was raised into believing money was dirty, which is why I think women shouldn have high paying jobs

[fascination_streak]

I think if the woman in question has her priorities in alignment and a supportive spouse, she can have a professional job and 3 kids. It would be stressful as hell, but I don't think she would do it unless she could handle it. It's all a personal choice.

I am a little dismayed by how seeing money as dirty correlates to a woman working in a professional job perhaps traditionally suited for a man? Out of 20 members of management, my team produced the highest and I got a 13% raise.

[fascination_streak]

I exceeded expectations in my annual review. Not bad considering I outperformed men on my own team. Again, I don't think the job qualifications should be specific to gender. It should be specific to to who is the best FIT. Your mindset is a very traditional one and more and more, women are filling positions like mine and are being selected as CEOs.

[Asker]

I don't understand why you are dismayed by it. My parents told that money is kinda 'evil' and you should only have as much as you need and give away to rest to some kind of charity. And because it's evil (exggatration here of course) it's a mans job to make it, women shouldn't have to. Its different tho if your helping people in your job. I get its very traditional but that's what I believe and I'm working in a job in which I can support a family and I have to admit I don't give as much away as my

[Asker]

parents.

Anyways I think it's the same as most people think women shouldn't work in coal mines because it's dirty.

[fascination_streak]

I agree with your parents. I think money is the root of all evil. However, even though I earn a good living doesn't mean it will go to my head and taint me. Society has evolved to where it's more expensive to live and survive. I do not live extravagantly at all. I do give back to my community by donating to children's cancer funds, bringing toys to sick children in the hospital during holidays and to disabled veterans.

I was raised Catholic too. I think the church's perspectives

[fascination_streak]

are far too traditional for the world we live in now. Moreover, I cannot practice a religion that does nothing to protect young boys from pedophilia with priests. This was the main reason I stopped practicing. But, I don't want to really get into that, it's not the focus here.

[Asker]

I wasn't suggesting you live extravagantly, I was trying to say that because it's evil and people who make lots of money are usually the ones who cut jobs etc, women shouldn't have to deal with making.

Now if your a doctor or a state attorney, that's totally different. Although I think it's still hard if you want to have family and it'd be better for you and children to not work that much

[fascination_streak]

Well QA, I don't think we are going to ever agree on this subject. But, I've really enjoyed the mature dialogue exchanged.

[Asker]

well ok

have a nice day

[flipside]

...also the and could still be happy bit I know a LOT of women that enjoy work and thrive off of it, so no they wouldn't be if you took that away from them. Jane Goodall is probably one of the most celebrated biologists alive on the planet today, should she have stopped her research, not served as an inspiration for millions and backed down from creating an international foundation? Hell, no -- now THAT would be a waste.

[flipside]

This was supposed to be a comment in relation to the post below me.

[Asker]

your right I see your point

[ZenQueen]

I agree , but times are tough and it is hard for a woman to not work and have any independence, men are more likely to take advantage of the fact she can never leave.. the 50's were not easy for women, lots of alcoholism, and men abusing their wives.. maybe if it were a few hundred years ago things would be different..

[smartgirl81]

lol I think he asked this question is to get a rise outta you all...lol...i think its funny tht y'all are getting so mad...lol...lol

[AmberAmazes]

No you're not the only there are a bunch more sexist idiots.

[Jojo1706]

Am sori, are we in the 18th century or wat?

[Apodyopsis]

TonyMetal ? Is that you?

[Asker]

nope

[Darkfairie17]

Lol I thought the same thing!

[maroon12west]

No.

[vishna]

no

[moviedude714]

thats a sexist view

[Anonymous]

You should move.

[Asker]

where?

[Opinion Owner]

Idk middle east or something? Somewhere where their women have to stay home.

[Asker]

no you don't get my point I don't want women to be required to stay at home and I also don't want them to have to cover themselves like that. That's ridicoulous.

I just think that with all the stuff women have to deal, I don't think they should work 60 hours a week

[Opinion Owner]

Well I think if men helped women out with the so-called "women's work" then it wouldn't be bad at all. They'd both be sharing the paycheck work and the at-home work. There wouldn't be any more burden on one than the other. The problem arises when both people are working 40 hour weeks, but then the guy refuses to help out at home, so she's forced to do both.

[Asker]

let's just take pregnancy, if you want childrenn you'll be out of your job for at least a few months. Many women hate to go back to their job later on by the way. You know I work on wall street when I see a female colleage like 7 months pregnat I'm just like wtf, your having a child growing in you don't you think you should rest a bit? Men undenieably don't have that problem.

I think it would be just better if women wouldn't work as hard as men and could still be happy

[flipside]

In some countries there is such a thing as paternity leave -- link which kind of eats away at your point. A child is the responsibility of BOTH parents, not just the mom. And some women feel fine when pregnant, so why hold them back?

[Opinion Owner]

This is true, I learned about it in my sociology class. The U.S. is one of the only progressive nations in existence that places the majority of the child responsibility on the woman. In other countries, there is a paternity leave, and child raising is 50/50.

[Asker]

well yes, but yet we can't be pregnant and you can't work till the very end. Thus you will be out of your job for several months, assuming you want two or more children

[Opinion Owner]

So because we have to miss a few months of work total, and some women less than that if they don't want kids, you don't think women should have careers at all? such a ridiculous idea.

[flipside]

It is possible for some women to work pretty darn close to the end, while others need bedrest for a signifigant period of time -- we're all different. Some countries give several months of maternity AND paternity leave, the US has a pretty pathetic gig when it come to maternity leave anyhow so yeah she might be out for a bit, but in another country the mom AND dad would be out for longer. Plus, their kid wouldn't be raised by a single parent, it would be a team effort -- developmental benefit.

[Asker]

no you tool that totally out of context, I was just saying that you girls are not completly right with your maternity leave idea

[flipside]

^^ agreed.

[flipside]

Actually I was referencing PARENTAL -- maternity and paternity leave, kid.

[Asker]

ok you know what I mean though. Your girls are just at disatvantage there

[Opinion Owner]

Only guys like you think of it as a disadvantage. I feel fortunate enough that I can work and have children. If she's willing to do both, it shouldn't matter to you any unless you feel threatened by a woman who works.

[bsebllgrl]

My mom worked 3 jobs up until the morning she had me. Not all women need (basically) 12 months of rest.

I don't know if you've heard of Jennie Finch, but she went back to playing softball 3 WEEKS after having both of her children.

[Dom163]

Just you