Would you shoot your own (grand) children to protect gun rights?

[goaded]

Republican Arizona Rep. Debbie Lesko would.

Yes

No

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Correction: Republican Arizona Rep. Debbie Lesko said she would.

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Only slightly off topic.

[RolandCuthbert]

Yeah, I heard that.

Then she blamed Antifa or whatever for her comments.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/wpRTBHnJxXk

[Guy13]

Oh please now... Show your absurdity...

[goaded]

She really said it, but she probably wanted to say she wanted to shoot other people to protect them. The thing is, making it harder to get guns actually makes people safer. Yes, there will still be cases where someone takes their hunting rifle and kills their family, and there will be cases where people can't defend themselves with anything but solid walls, good locks, and 911, but there won't be children taking to a rooftop to shoot dozens on a whim, and the bad guys will be less likely to have them, too.

Understanding that doing something that will predictably save thousands of lives even if taking that measure will costs dozens is a good thing is apparently beyond some people's comprehension.

A statistic I heard (from a comedian, not a politician, so it's probably right), was that if you own a gun, you're 8 times more likely to use it on yourself than on someone else.

[Guy13]

God Bless Texas... and Oklahoma for their encroaching influence ;-)

[goaded]

Didn't Texas just have 20 children massacred who needed to be identified by their DNA because their bodies were so torn up? That's somewhere God blesses, for sure.

[letuswaltzforthedead]

Yes, I would shoot any of my family members if they were a menace or something horrible (think serious and violent crimes). I'm pretty sure that the Lesko said it in the case of them being criminals.

[goaded]

I think she just misspoke, but how fragile do you have to be to not be able to admit it?

[goaded]

Referring to the Representative, not you, of course.

[DryGermanGuy]

"A day without blood is like a day without sunshine."

- Gunnery Sgt. Hartman, Full Metal Jacket

[John_Doesnt]

My grandkids would have guns to shoot me with. We would die and go to White Christian heaven where there are no blacks and no Jews

[goaded]

Well, that's a telling answer.

[SJ1984]

Well, at least you're not a complete bigot, because you left off your list Mexicans, Gypsies, gays and Jehovah's Witnesses.

[Dargil]

I don't much care what Debbie Lesko thinks or says.
Would you kill your grandchildren to gain full firearms confiscation?

[goaded]

No. And that's not even something I'd want. Some people need firearms, but we should do all we can to stop people shooting other people.

[Stoner710]

Well Debbie Lesko with a moron. I would shoot the cops who came for my guns

[goaded]

Funnily enough, I just heard her asking for protection before Jan 6th from "Antifa... and honestly, Trump supporters". Antifa were unlikely to protest Trump's loss, let's be honest.

[Stoner710]

Yea that’s stupid. Do we need to lock up antifa member yes because communist need to be locked up in my opinion but she wouldn’t need protect if trump lost.

[goaded]

They did need protection when Trump lost. That's why 147 officers were injured. But not from Antifa.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sox95cYqJ0Y

[Stoner710]

Right but Antifa and BLM were burning down cop stations killing Trump supporters trying to beat the fuck out of people for defending property. And murdering people who are apolitical but still want to defend their stores or not remember David Dorn? I’m sure you remember Kylie Rittenhouse

[goaded]

You watched all three hours already? Good for you!

Dorn wasn't killed because he was a Trump supporter (if he even was one), he was killed in the commission of a crime. Rittenhouse reminds me of a (typically racist for the time) section of Kentucky Fried Movie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uwk6r8TJD2U
But of course without the danger, because he was the dangerous one.

[Stoner710]

That was hilarious reminds me of that family guy clip https://youtu.be/SgafAtQGF68

David Dorn was a Trump supporter he was an x police officer and was killed defending his buddies business and was killed by BLM for his trouble.

Rittenhouse was defending his community his dad lived in Kenosha where he got the gun and defended his bosses car lot for the rioters. The first guy he shot Previously at putting them in thank God that goes dead because he was a child molester. The other 2 one had a guy who lost his arm the other was trying to kill him by beating him over the head with a skateboard Rittenhouse was perfectly with in his right to do what he did, as a matter of fact the constitution of the United States protects his actions that night

[goaded]

Dorn wasn't killed for being a Trump supporter, if he was, or being an ex-police officer, he was killed by criminals. He'd have been better off letting them take stuff and helping catch the culprits later. Rittenhouse was a dick who wanted to look tough. Just because you have stupid laws doesn't make him a hero.

[Stoner710]

The constitution we consider Kyle Rittenhouse a hero of the republic. Of course you’re in Germany I wouldn’t expect you to understand the American legal system

[goaded]

You might consider Rittenhouse a hero, but it's far from universal, even in America.

[Stoner710]

True Rittenhouse is a hero according to the constitution and most Republicans is not considered a hero to the Democrats obviously

[SmokinAces2000]

She said that them was referring to criminals, I believe that because I don’t see why she would say that as a last resort she would shoot her grand children it doesn’t make sense

[goaded]

Everybody knows that, but compare it to claiming Democrats ordering pizza was proof of a paedophilia ring. Which is worse?

[Anonymous]

Oh look, a German opining about what a congresswoman in Arizona thinks.

Go eat some goddamn sauerkraut and get a goddamn life.

[goaded]

Why is it terrible if someone quotes Republican verbatim, but fine for a bunch of liars pretend Democrats' pizza orders are evidence of pedophilia? The left, apparently, have to be accepting of error, where the right is infallible.

[joeldalton]

aw, you got bamboozled again by your left wing media.

[goaded]

Did she not say that?

[joeldalton]

The "them" referred to anyone threatening her grandchildren. Awkwardly worded, for sure. But she absolutely did not mean she would shoot her grandchildren. Honestly, what kind of idiot would believe that's what she meant?

[RolandCuthbert]

@goaded Remember they are not even responsible for the words coming of their own mouths. Or the bullets coming out of their guns.

That's how fucked up they are.

[joeldalton]

@RolandCuthbert don't you be stupid, too. Well I don't expect much out of you, anyway.

[goaded]

Go read my answer to @guy13

[joeldalton]

Got it. So you admit this question is bullshit.

[RolandCuthbert]

@joeldalton I am just pointing out how you guys don't do objective reality, personal responsibility, individual accountability, etc.

If you say you are going to kill someone. . . you can just blame the "liberal media" for making you say that.

[goaded]

Oh, and the right-wing have been claiming Democrats ordering pizza was proof of pedophilia for years now, so get off your high horse.

[RolandCuthbert]

@goaded Notice, it isn't. . ."DUDE, SHE MADE A MISTAKE, SHE MEANT SOMETHING ELSE".

The response is, the liberal media did something. The liberal media made her look like this. Or the liberal media edited it in such a way.

That's their response for everything. Not, oh. . . my bad. I meant this. I misspoke, etc.

It is literally that they are not even responsible for the mistakes they make. Because their politics is "right".

[RolandCuthbert]

I just want to continue to point out. This is not right-wing. This is batshit, insane fruitcake crazy wing.

Nothing about their position is related to Conservative principles. This isn't William F. Buckley, John McCain, Ronald Reagan, George F. Will or David Brooks.

There isn't a thing they say that is related to the nuclear family, community, constitutional rights, fiscal responsibility, American exceptionalism, etc.

Even if you disagreed with the classic Conservative positions of the past, do not pretend that these "things" are somehow related to Conservatism. They are some mutated strain of misogynstic "White" nationalism mixed with a pseudo-religious superstition that provides some philosophical foundation for their ambitions.

And you can tell in situations like this. Instead of acknowledging that these mistakes happen to everyone. . . they blame the "liberal media". It is actually an external force, responsible for their poor choice of words. So they never say. . ."sorry. . . I misspoke".

It is always "the liberals made me do it".

[joeldalton]

@RolandCuthbert dipshit, when even your own factcheckers call you on it, it's pretty sad.

"“I have five grandchildren. I would do anything, anything, to protect my five grandchildren, including, as a last resort, shooting them, if I had to, to protect the lives of my grandchildren.”

I mean if you're stupid enough to believe she meant she wanted to shoot her grandchildren, that's on you. But drop this pretense that you have anything remotely intelligent to say.

[RolandCuthbert]

@joeldalton Hey Batshit It ain't political. You are writing out her words. Dude, everyone heard her speak. And to my knowledge no one actually thinks she believes she should kill her own children. But she did misspeak.

BUT I WANT EVERYONE TO SEE HOW BATSHIT INSANE AND YOUR BROOD ARE.

YOU BLAMED THE MEDIA FOR WHAT WAS POSTED EVERYWHERE. NO ONE EDITED THE VIDEO. NO ONE CHANGED THE AUDIO. SHE SAID WHAT SHE SAID. AND INSTEAD OF SAYING, SHE MISSPOKE OR DIDN'T MEAN IT THE WAY IT WAS INTERPRETED.

NOPE, YOU WOULDN'T POSSIBLY DO THAT. . .

YOU SAY THE LIBERAL MEDIA DID IT.

@goaded And I want to point this out to you. Because again this has nothing to do with political philosophy or ideology. You have plenty of folks in your nation who may not like Germany's immigration policy. You may have folks who are nationalist. You may have folks who hate socialized health care.

BUT AT NO TIME DID YOUR POLITICS CAUSE PEOPLE TO BLAME THE MEDIA FOR THE WORDS THAT CAME OUT OF THEIR OWN MOUTHS!!! THESE MUGS DO NOT BELIEVE IN AN OBJECTIVE REALITY. IF THEY DO SOMETHING THAT IS PERCEIVED TO BE WRONG, THEY GET AROUND IT BY CLAIMING THE LIBERALS DID IT.

[joeldalton]

@RolandCuthbert hey dummy. Did Goaded post this trying to imply she was wiling to kill her grandchildren or not? Did he read this bs this from a liberal-leaning news site that ignored the context that she misspoke and repeated that or not?

Two simple questions.

The liberal media (and goaded) intentionally ignored the context and the possibility that she misspoke to smear her and gun owners. True or False?

They're either being intentionally misleading, or they're stupid. Pick one.

[RolandCuthbert]

@joeldalton Goaded is not an American citizen. He is from overseas. And you have to understand. . . OVERSEAS, THEY LOOK AT FOLK LIKE YOU AND THEY ARE TERRIFIED.

[joeldalton]

@RolandCuthbert good job literally not answering a single simple question. It's ok, I know you don't want to answer because it calls out your bullshit and his.

I know you're slow, so read this a couple of times: I don't give a fuck what people in Europe think about me, especially goaded. If he's afraid of me, I only say "good."

[goaded]

I guess you didn't read my response to @guy13, and you ignored my point that people like you have been saying Democrats are pedophiles because they ordered pizza. Fix your own side's stupidity before you blame me. @RolandCuthbert is right, you don't accept fault, but blame others for your shortcomings.

[joeldalton]

@goaded here's where smart people take their L and move on. But I'm sure you'll double down.

[goaded]

It's sweet that you think you know what a smart person is like.

[joeldalton]

Do you admit you were bullshitting in your original question? Yes or no?

[goaded]

It's what she said. Admit that, and I'll admit it was a bullshit interpretation.

[joeldalton]

I never said that's not what she said.

[goaded]

So you're saying those were her words? Yes or no.

[joeldalton]

This is her exact quote (which you omitted to continue the bullshit)

“I have five grandchildren. I would do anything, anything, to protect my five grandchildren, including, as a last resort, shooting them, if I had to, to protect the lives of my grandchildren.”

[RolandCuthbert]

Goaded ain't even American. So of course he saw the video and was horrified. He didn't see this at some left-learning site. He saw it on television. Do you really think folks all over this planet, seeing the amount of gun violence in America are going to look at that video and reach your conclusions?

The video contains the complete context. Your conclusion is that if we don't reach your batshit conclusions, we are liberal. That's how fucked up you are. I merely said, she misspoke. But you said the liberal media made her do it.

[goaded]

So that would be a "yes"? Correct?

[StevieNix]

https://imgur.com/33f1pIx

[joeldalton]

@RolandCuthbert No, I didn't say that so you're lying on top of being dumb. And where is your proof he "saw it on TV"? That doesn't exactly mean it wasn't left wing media, either.

[joeldalton]

@goaded so did you intentionally lie about saying she'd shoot her own grandchildren, or were you fooled, again?

[goaded]

Did I miss your answer to the question : "So that would be a "yes"? Correct?" She really said those words?

[joeldalton]

Were you lying or fooled? I want to know.

[goaded]

You're not going to answer the question : "She really said those words?"?

Could it be because you're afraid of the follow-up question?

[joeldalton]

What follow-up question? I put her exact quote in my reply. Now were you lying? Or were you fooled?

[RolandCuthbert]

But ya did.

Because somehow, the left learning media showed a two minute video. . . that was out of context!!! These were her complete comments!!! No one changed them. No one edited them.

And you can go anyplace on this globe finding folks coming to the same conclusion. But in your batshit insane belief system. . . interpreting the English language is dependent upon your political ideology!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cpA-lyGAI4

[joeldalton]

@RolandCuthbert are there conservatives thinking she wanted to shoot her grandchildren? Yes or no? If so, you should be able to find one.

[RolandCuthbert]

So here is the commentary from the UK.

www.independent.co.uk/.../...hildren-b2117651.html

Dude, you can to France, Germany, Italy, etc. . . there are going to be folks who look at the video and be freaked out.

But you claim this is some liberal conspiracy. This has been going for several hours. And not one time have you said, she misspoke. You literally blame the folks who hear something different than you did.

[goaded]

"What follow-up question?" The one at the end.

"I put her exact quote in my reply."
OK, I'll take that as a "yes", she said she would "shoot her own grandchildren to protect them":
You: "“I have five grandchildren. I would do anything, anything, to protect my five grandchildren, including, as a last resort, shooting them, if I had to, to protect the lives of my grandchildren.”

"Now were you lying? Or were you fooled?"
Neither. She literally said that. She or you could have said she meant to say something else, but instead she and you blame the "left wing media" for quoting her verbatim (including video).

Now, compare that to some right-wing morons looking at pizza orders and deciding that they're proof of rampant pedophilia in the Democratic party. They don't even have anyone saying a single word that can back it up.

Were they lying? Or were they fooled? Was the man with the gun justified in terrorising the pizza place in question?

[joeldalton]

You said she would shoot her grandchildren. That is a lie. You can repeat it as much as you want, but it’s still a lie.

[joeldalton]

@RolandCuthbert I literally said she didn’t mean she would shoot her grandchildren in my 2nd reply. So you’re just being stupid at this point.

[goaded]

More or less of a lie than Pizzagate?

[joeldalton]

So you’re bringing up pizzagate in an attempt to deflect from your lying? Do you think anyone falls for that?

[goaded]

Not at all, I'm asking for your opinion on the two misrepresentations. One is based on words someone actually said, the other is based on an insane interpretation of pizza orders. Which is worse?

[joeldalton]

Weird pizzagate only comes into the conversation after you’re called out for your lying multiple times. I guess you think the people stupid enough to fall for your BS will be caught up on an irrelevant topic. But again. Admit you were lying.

[goaded]

You ignore my post to @guy13 (below) which was before you so courageously decided to protect the truth, not to mention refusing to state which claim is worse: she meant what she said, or pizza orders are proof of paedophilia.

"She really said it, but she probably wanted to say she wanted to shoot other people to protect them. The thing is, making it harder to get guns actually makes people safer. Yes, there will still be cases where someone takes their hunting rifle and kills their family, and there will be cases where people can't defend themselves with anything but solid walls, good locks, and 911, but there won't be children taking to a rooftop to shoot dozens on a whim, and the bad guys will be less likely to have them, too.

Understanding that doing something that will predictably save thousands of lives even if taking that measure will costs dozens is a good thing is apparently beyond some people's comprehension.

A statistic I heard (from a comedian, not a politician, so it's probably right), was that if you own a gun, you're 8 times more likely to use it on yourself than on someone else. "

[joeldalton]

So you were lying to push your ideas for gun control?

[goaded]

What were the Pizzagate people doing?

[joeldalton]

What were you doing?

[goaded]

Somehow I knew you wouldn't answer the simple question.

[joeldalton]

I already answered that you were lying since you didn’t have the balls to do it.

[RolandCuthbert]

Bullshit! You typed out her statement. . . and claimed the video was changed by left-leaning sites. You don't even stand by your own words. And you insist that there is only one way to interpret that video. You can't even say the woman misspoke.

But tomorrow. . . Joe Biden will say something stupid. . . just like he always does and you will claim it is literal.

[goaded]

And yet, you've refused to answer any question about how my accurately quoting a Republican is anything like Republicans spending 5 years pretending pizza orders were proof of paedophilia. Which was worse?

[joeldalton]

@RolandCuthbert Right, because I never said the video was changed. Idiot. Are you jealous you weren’t the stupidest person on this site? Because you’re put a lot of effort in on this thread.

[joeldalton]

@goaded have you explained why you were lying again? Was it to push your gun control ideas? Smear a republican? Or just because you’re an idiot?

[goaded]

Is quoting a Republican verbatim worse than claiming Democrats' pizza orders are proof of a paedophilia ring or not? It's a simple question, with an obvious answer.

[joeldalton]

I guess you’re just stupid, then,. Thanks for playing.

[goaded]

Ah, your go-to admission that you are wrong or going to embarrass yourself if you answer truthfully.

[joeldalton]

I was 100% right, you lied on your question. I gave you the opportunity to admit you were fooled, but you denied that. You’ll keep typing hoping that you can stop the embarrassment you caused yourself, but it’ll be in vain. So keep digging your hole.

[goaded]

Nope, I explained that she probably misspoke hours ago, but I wanted to make the case that the morons like you who pushed pizzagate didn't even have anyone's words to back it up, and you can't bring yourself to deny that disgusting accusation.

[joeldalton]

I almost feel bad for how pathetic you are.

[goaded]

Aw, shucks. So, is claiming people are paedophiles based on their pizza preferences better or worse than accurately quoting the woman in question?

And has she clarified what she meant, or blamed the press for quoting her?

[joeldalton]

Weird you keep trying to distract from the fact you’re a liar.

[goaded]

I'm not a liar, that's what she said.

You, on the other hand, keep trying to deny that claiming Democrats are paedophiles based on pizza orders is worse than accurately quoting someone who hasn't said she was wrong. Why?

[RolandCuthbert]

@joeldalton Liar. You said the only reason why a person would come to the conclusion that she said something crazy is because they watched a left-leaning website. Again, you believe in no objective reality. If a person thinks she either misspoke or is a crazy lady, it is because of their politics. . and not because they have ears and a grasp of the English language.

That's why I quoted a source from outside the United States.

And what everyone has to understand is that you rationalize everything in this fashion. If people don't accept your batshit interpretation on anything. It is because of their politics. There is no such thing as free-will in your belief system. There is no deviation. And you all have been groomed to accept that.

[joeldalton]

@RolandCuthbert objective reality is that she misspoke. Anyone with more than 2 brain cells can tell that. If you got any other interpretation it’s because the source you read that from is biased against conservatives. There’s no other way to slice it. Because otherwise it’s a non-story.

[joeldalton]

You are a liar. you stated in your question she’d shoot her grandchildren. idiot.

[goaded]

No right winger should ever have to admit they were wrong, am I right? Show me a place where she says she misspoke, she made a mistake.

Is it worse to accurately quote someone who hasn't said she misspoke or to claim Democrats are paedophiles based on their pizza orders?

[joeldalton]

@goaded. Here’s a hint. I know what she meant. For you to claim you don’t without some sort of weirdo evidence, it shows you’re a lair or an idiot. Or a combo of both. So you can keep whining about whatever shit you want to try to throw at the wall as a distraction until you get tired of it. But you’ll be doing it alone.

[goaded]

You know, you could just not respond, if you're not going to answer the question.

She's the same person who said a billion immigrants had been stopped at the border.

She's a joke. And a Republican.

[joeldalton]

And you’re a pathetic liar.

[goaded]

Ah, yes, you're incapable of not responding.

I wonder if you responded the same way to people who pushed pizzagate, or the election lies. Somehow, I doubt it.

For what it's worth, and because you obviously didn't bother reading looking it up when I asked you to yesterday, this is what I wrote to @guy13:

"She really said it, but she probably wanted to say she wanted to shoot other people to protect them..."

By the way, 4 people voted yes, they would.

[joeldalton]

Ok, but the most important takeaway is that you’re a liar.

[goaded]

Am I allowed in your club now, or do I have to keep lying on multiple issues and after I've been corrected?

[joeldalton]

Glad you admit you’re a liar. Admitting you have a problem is the first step.

[goaded]

One you will never take.

[joeldalton]

Right, because I speak truth. You, on the other hand, are a liar.

[goaded]

No you don't. You've been lying about practically everything to do with covid from the start. Remember claiming only 0.15% of people die of it? That would be half a million Americans, if every single one of them caught it.

[goaded]

Oh, wait, was that an initiation test into the liars club? You know, when you lied about being a liar?

[joeldalton]

Aw, are you still on covid? Hope you’re still getting boosted, since you told me the shot prevented you from getting and spreading covid. That turned out to be a whopper, didn’t it, lol.

[goaded]

No, it wasn't. Are you pretending the virus doesn't mutate, now?

[joeldalton]

You’re forgetting you are an admitted liar with your OP.

[goaded]

I know, that must disqualify me from your liars club. You would never admit to telling a lie, would you? You just pile them up on top of each other.

It's still what she literally said, and I can't see anywhere she said she misspoke or made a mistake. I guess she's in your club.

She said something absolutely ridiculous, and then said people pointing it out were being absolutely ridiculous.

[joeldalton]

I mean you’d have to be a total idiot to believe she meant she wanted to shoot her grandchildren. And an even bigger idiot to post it on this site.

[goaded]

You seem to be missing the actual point of the post. That she's not going to admit to an obvious, easily forgivable, mistake. That, to me, shows a lack of character. Much like yours.

[joeldalton]

Your original post claimed she would shoot her grandchildren. That is a lie. Nothing more.

[goaded]

That's still exactly what she said, in plain English. I also explained that she "probably wanted to say she wanted to shoot other people to protect them" in response to one of the first opinions, and "Everybody knows that" to someone who said she says she meant attackers (and posted an update to add the words "said she").

If I were more like her, I'd be all "look at those gun nuts intentionally misunderstanding what I said". Would that have been reasonable?

That's one point that this question was to lead to. The other is that children in general are safer if there are fewer guns or they're better handled, or if they can be taken or, better, not given to people who pose a serious risk of harming others. Like, say, someone who had their knives confiscated by the police for saying he was going to "kill everyone".

[joeldalton]

But you wrote that shooting her grandchildren was what she wanted to do. But that was not the intent of her statement. Regardless of her words, you still lied. period.

[goaded]

And I corrected myself. I didn't say it was your fault for misunderstanding what I posted.

[joeldalton]

I understood exactly what you were doing.

[goaded]

Good for you. But you didn't respond to either of those points. Why is that?

Would you have been satisfied if I'd blamed you for not interpreting my post as saying she "mistakenly said" she would shoot her grandchildren? It's just two missing words, after all.

Do you dispute that fewer children would die in America if guns were more closely regulated?
"Guns became the leading cause of death among children and teens in 2020, killing more people ages 1 to 19 in the U. S. than vehicle crashes, drugs overdoses or cancer."
www.nbcnews.com/.../guns-leading-cause-death-children-teens-rcna25443

[joeldalton]

Glad to know that you finally admit you do nothing but lie to push your political agenda.

[goaded]

Just answer the questions.

[joeldalton]

Admit you are lying to push an agenda.

[goaded]

I'll admit something I wrote could have been construed as a lie to push an agenda, if you answer the questions.

[joeldalton]

You admit you lied to push an anti gun agenda, first.

[joeldalton]

And tried to smear the character of a grandmother.

[goaded]

I used the words of an elected Representative against her, and later I asked these questions of you:

Would you have been satisfied if I'd blamed you for not interpreting my post as saying she "mistakenly said" she would shoot her grandchildren? It's just two missing words, after all.

Do you dispute that fewer children would die in America if guns were more closely regulated?
"Guns became the leading cause of death among children and teens in 2020, killing more people ages 1 to 19 in the U. S. than vehicle crashes, drugs overdoses or cancer."
www.nbcnews.com/.../guns-leading-cause-death-children-teens-rcna25443

[joeldalton]

If you understood that she misspoke or were not trying to hide the fact that she misspoke then the whole question evaporates into nothing.

[goaded]

And yet the questions are still valid, why won't you answer them?

Would you have been satisfied if I'd blamed you for not interpreting my post as saying she "mistakenly said" she would shoot her grandchildren? It's just two missing words, after all.

Do you dispute that fewer children would die in America if guns were more closely regulated?
"Guns became the leading cause of death among children and teens in 2020, killing more people ages 1 to 19 in the U. S. than vehicle crashes, drugs overdoses or cancer."
www.nbcnews.com/.../guns-leading-cause-death-children-teens-rcna25443

[joeldalton]

You lied and smeared the reputation of a grandmother to push a political agenda.

[RolandCuthbert]

@joeldalton Bullshit. You stated that the only way a person could say she misspoke is because of watching a left-leaning website.

So did you just misspeak?

Go back and read your own words. Supposedly you have a brain with more than two neurons. Instead of owning her mistake, she blamed the media. And you did too. Like she shouldn't apologize or explain. In the era of folk saying insane crazy shit, no one should assume she is saying something insane or crazy. Because as you have explained, it is "liberal" to expect her to simply say. . ."what I really meant was".

That's some insane batshit nutty fruitcake bullshit right there dude. The only thing you don't share with the other freaks here is you ain't a coward.

That's about it.

[joeldalton]

@RolandCuthbert And I’ve said to you twice that no right-leaning website ran a story with the angle of her wanting to shoot her grandchildren. You have yet to produce one to to prove me wrong. Because the story “Rep misspeaks on house floor” isn’t a story. AT all. The only reason you even know about it is left leaning sites (and their lazy cohorts who just copy paste news stories without thought) reported it.

[goaded]

Spare me the fake outrage, it's not like you and the right-wing media don't do far worse on a daily basis. It's just to avoid answering these quesions:

Would you have been satisfied if I'd blamed you for not interpreting my post as saying she "mistakenly said" she would shoot her grandchildren? It's just two missing words, after all.

Do you dispute that fewer children would die in America if guns were more closely regulated?
"Guns became the leading cause of death among children and teens in 2020, killing more people ages 1 to 19 in the U. S. than vehicle crashes, drugs overdoses or cancer."
www.nbcnews.com/.../guns-leading-cause-death-children-teens-rcna25443

[joeldalton]

I mean you lied. That's all there is to it. Nothing more, nothing less. You're way more salty and triggered than I've ever thought of being.

[goaded]

Bullshit, you're just avoiding two very simple questions.

[joeldalton]

you're trying to distract from the issue at hand.

[goaded]

I'm not trying to distract from the issue of gun rights, you are.

Do you dispute that fewer children would die in America if guns were more closely regulated?
"Guns became the leading cause of death among children and teens in 2020, killing more people ages 1 to 19 in the U. S. than vehicle crashes, drugs overdoses or cancer."
www.nbcnews.com/.../guns-leading-cause-death-children-teens-rcna25443

[joeldalton]

You're distracting from your blatant deception

[goaded]

Nope, we've discussed that at length. The subject is gun rights. It's right there in the question, see? So, do you dispute that fewer children would die in America if guns were more closely regulated? Especially since guns have become the leading cause of death among children and teens in 2020, killing more people ages 1 to 19 in the U. S. than vehicle crashes, drugs overdoses or cancer.

[joeldalton]

In the question is you smearing the reputation of a grandmother and falsely claiming she'd shoot her own grandchildren.

[goaded]

She said what she said. Which makes it closer to the truth than most of your comments. So, do you dispute that fewer children would die in America if guns were more closely regulated? Especially since guns have become the leading cause of death among children and teens in 2020, killing more people ages 1 to 19 in the U. S. than vehicle crashes, drugs overdoses or cancer.

[joeldalton]

And a moron would think that's what she meant. Or a pathological liar. You pick which you are.

[goaded]

You should know how a pathalogical liar would behave. It takes on to know one. I don't think they admit that what they quoted was probably a misstatement almost immediately. I mean you wouldn't, would you?

Back to gun control: Guns have become the leading cause of death among children and teens in 2020, killing more people ages 1 to 19 in the U. S. than vehicle crashes, drugs overdoses or cancer. Do you dispute that fewer children would die in America if guns were more closely regulated?

[joeldalton]

You presented false information as truthful. Did you do it willfully or out of ignorance?

[RolandCuthbert]

@joeldalton It takes a moron or a liar to claim there is a liberal conspiracy every time trumpturd forgets how to use the English fucking language. Send her ass back to grade school or something. Just stop blaming everyone else when your leaders say something stupid.

Join the fucking human race and say they fucked up.

It isn't that fucking hard, nimrod.

[joeldalton]

@RolandCuthbert Again, demonstrate how this is a story if it's NOT run through the filter of Anti-republican news outlets to imply she wanted to shoot her children. I'll save you the effort. You can't. So stop being a fucking retard.

[RolandCuthbert]

Again, when a Republican fucks up and says something stupid, it ain't a liberal fucking conspiracy.

It is a human fucking being doing what human beings fucking do.

It ain't rocket science, even a two brain cell nitwit like you can grasp it. You just don't want to.

[goaded]

" You presented false information as truthful. Did you do it willfully or out of ignorance? "
I just missed out two words "she said", which is exactly the argument you're using to defend her. The difference is that I corrected myself.

So, considering the fact that guns now kill more under 20's in the US than vehicle crashes, drugs overdoses or cancer, do you dispute that fewer children would die in America if guns were more closely regulated?

[joeldalton]

@RolandCuthbert And it's not news if you understand she fucked up. It's only news if you want to lie (as Goaded did) and imply she wants to shoot her grandchildren. It's not news in the MSM, for example, that Biden read "end of quote, repeat the line" during the middle of a speech off the teleprompter. You won't see that on MSNBC, CNN, the Today Show, the View.

[goaded]

So now you're saying the right wing do it all the time?

Considering the fact that guns now kill more under 20's in the US than vehicle crashes, drugs overdoses or cancer, do you dispute that fewer children would die in America if guns were more closely regulated?

[joeldalton]

I'm saying you intentionally tried to mislead people.

[goaded]

So, considering the fact that guns now kill more under 20's in the US than vehicle crashes, drugs overdoses or cancer, do you dispute that fewer children would die in America if guns were more closely regulated?

Since we're talking about gun control and not that thing you do all the time.

[joeldalton]

We're talking about how you smeared a grandma.

[goaded]

A grandma who wants people who are a considered a danger to others to have guns.

And, considering the fact that guns now kill more under 20's in the US than vehicle crashes, drugs overdoses or cancer, don't you think that fewer children would die in America if guns were more closely regulated?

[joeldalton]

I'd bet it would be very upsetting for her grandchildren to read that their grandmother is willing to kill them.

[goaded]

And you're so concerned about the welbeing of children, don't you think that fewer children would die in America if guns were more closely regulated? Surely something that kills more under-20's than vehicle crashes, drugs overdoses or cancer is more important than feelings.

[joeldalton]

I wonder if they said, with tears in their eyes "meemaw, did you really say you'd shoot us? The internet says you'd do it"

[goaded]

You don't care about anybody's feelings. Or the lives of children being killed more by guns than vehicle crashes, drugs overdoses or cancer. Don't you think that fewer children would die in America if guns were more closely regulated?

[joeldalton]

those poor children, traumatized by you.

[goaded]

Now who's lying? So, considering the fact that guns now kill more under 20's in the US than vehicle crashes, drugs overdoses or cancer, do you dispute that fewer children would die in America if guns were more closely regulated?

[joeldalton]

I can just imagine they're pleading with their parents not to send them to grandmas since the people on the internet claim grandma will shoot them.

[RolandCuthbert]

It is news if she fucked up. Joe Biden read the instructions on a teleprompter. The news reported it.

It wasn't a fucking conspiracy. It wasn't the liberals doing something that made him read the fucking instructions.

It was Joe Biden, fucking up.

www.foxnews.com/.../elon-musk-twitter-users-mock-biden-reading-end-quote-from-teleprompter-during-live-address

We all know where this shit is going. If it rains on Trump, the liberals created some fucking machine that did it. We already have batshit trumplican congressman claiming that the Jews created a giant space laser to start forest fires.

There is no bottom to this hole.

[joeldalton]

@RolandCuthbert again, show me a conservative news site that ran the story of rep. Lesko with the slant that she was willing to shoot her grandchildren. Any one is fine.

[RolandCuthbert]

What in the sideways fuck is "Conservative" in trump world?

[joeldalton]

@RolandCuthbert I know it would be easier to just admit you can’t, but you’ll double down on the idiocy.

[goaded]

Why the hell would they? They never report anything that makes a Republican look bad, to the point of "accidentally" putting a D against the name of scandal-ridden politicians. While we're here, don't you think that fewer children would die in America if guns were more closely regulated? Surely something that kills more under-20's than vehicle crashes, drugs overdoses or cancer is more important than peddle lies. Remember, you think lies are bad in this conversation.

[joeldalton]

But it’s right in your playbook to lie to smear a Grandma.

[goaded]

I just missed out two words "she said", which is exactly the argument you're using to defend her. The difference is that I corrected myself.

So, considering the fact that guns now kill more under 20's in the US than vehicle crashes, drugs overdoses or cancer, do you dispute that fewer children would die in America if guns were more closely regulated?

[joeldalton]

You lied to smear a grandma. You sound like a real piece of shit.

[goaded]

Whereas you are one, who's obviously trying to take the fifth on whether fewer children would die if guns (or their owners) were better regulated in the US. They do kill more under-20's than any other single cause of death including cancer, vehicle accidents or drug overdoses.

[joeldalton]

but you just lie.

[RolandCuthbert]

@joeldalton I just asked a trumper how he measures "Conservatism". And like every one of his brood, it is a question he can't answer.

[joeldalton]

@RolandCuthbert And I've given you several opportunities to find me a conservative news outlet that reported the story with the angle that she wanted to shoot her grandchildren. I figured you weren't stupid but I guess that was a premature assumption... all the sites you hate.. fox, brietbart, daily wire, alex jones, the blaze, OAN? Any of them? Any at all. But I know you can't. And you know I know you can't. That's why you bring up all the dumb bullshit just like goaded.

[goaded]

There aren't any right wing news outlets that will cover the greatest crime in the history of the United States, why would you think they would cover this?

[joeldalton]

@goaded There's a few of them covering the Biden family's corruption. Give it time.

[goaded]

You think that's worse than trying to steal the presidency against the will of the people? That's cute. No, sorry, it's fucked up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sox95cYqJ0Y

[joeldalton]

Almost as bad as you smearing a grandma.

[goaded]

One of these things is not like the other. One of these things is the destruction of American democracy, the other is not.

[joeldalton]

And only one was propagated by you.

[goaded]

And by no sane measure withing a dozen orders of magnitude as the destruction of American democracy, which you support.

[joeldalton]

It’s bad enough you lied, now you try to deflect from your lies.

[goaded]

Ooh! Once, I left out a couple of words ("she said"), which is exactly your defense of her original statement, but unlike her I corrected myself, and now it's"lies", plural? Go on then, what was the other one?

And by no sane measure was anything I've ever done within a dozen orders of magnitude as the destruction of American democracy, which you support.

[joeldalton]

Lying after lying is even worse.

[goaded]

So stop it. Or name a second "lie" I've told on here, one that I didn't correct within a couple of hours.

[joeldalton]

You lied when you said you mistyped. That’s #2. Sad.

[goaded]

I never said I mistyped. That's your lie.

[joeldalton]

You typed “I left out two words ‘she said’”. That is a lie. But you’ll lie about that again.

[goaded]

The computer says no.

I said: "I just missed out two words "she said", which is exactly the argument you're using to defend her. The difference is that I corrected myself."

And the obvious reason was to point out your hypocrisy.

[joeldalton]

Another lie. You’re good at this.

[goaded]

No, It wasn't.

[joeldalton]

And another one

[goaded]

You know people can check, right?

[joeldalton]

Check if you’re lying? They’ve pegged you for that from your question.

[goaded]

Nobody's interested, but they can all check if it's me or you lying.

While they're at it that can check if you ever answered the question: considering the fact that guns now kill more under 20's in the US than vehicle crashes, drugs overdoses or cancer, don't you think that fewer children would die in America if guns were more closely regulated?

[joeldalton]

You are correct no one cares about you…. but they do know you’re a liar who smears grandmas for sport.

[goaded]

Keep writing bullshit. People work it out.

[joeldalton]

Yup. They see you for what you are.

[RolandCuthbert]

I have given you several opportunities to define what it means to be Conservative. Because outside of trumpworld, it is possible to be Conservative without being batshit crazy.

There are folks who consider themselves to be Conservative. But they can observe something called objective reality.

[joeldalton]

@RolandCuthbert There’s no obligation on my part to define what a conservative is. It’s completely irrelevant to the discussion.

[RolandCuthbert]

@joeldalton Absolutely it is. Because in insane crazy batshit world, the word Conservative means shit. Because you just mean the people, the websites, the media who agree with you.

Before we entered the batshit era of American politics, we actually had a working definition of Conservatism. And by that definition, George Will was a Conservative. So was Liz Cheney, Adam Kinzinger, Jennifer Rubin, David Brooks, David Jolly, David Frum, Bill Kristol, Nicole Wallace, etc.

They were all Conservatives, but based on this new batshit weird shifting nebulous definition, all of a sudden they are not.

The Arizona Republic, a media outlet in Lesko's home state, reported on this. They have always covered Republican politics, but because they covered this issue, you would disqualify them.

Your definition of Conservatism has nothing to do with a static set of values and principles. It has to do with your batshit politics.

That's why you can't define it.

[joeldalton]

@RolandCuthbert lmao. All of your reply is nothing but word salad bullshit. Bottom line is that Rep Lesko mangled her speech. Lefty sites (or anti republican site since you are stuck on stupid), jumped on this mangled speech and presented it as she would shoot her grandchildren to protect gun rights. This is a misinterpretation of her intent of her speech and this misrepesentation was either due to ignorance or malicious intent.

Goaded (and you) Jumped on this misrepresentation like the dopes you are.

End of story.

[RolandCuthbert]

@joeldalton :D

Its not word salad. It is simple truth. You say you are Conservative, without knowing one single thing about Conservatism.

[joeldalton]

@RolandCuthbert you said I was a conservative. Dope. And it’s irrelevant to the topic.

[RolandCuthbert]

@joeldalton Like I said, one thing I can say about you is that you are not a coward. But the problem is you are an idiot. Conservatism isn't a label. It is a belief system. It is a philosophical approach to governing. You tell me to go to some Conservative media outlet. But the problem is either you are really stupid or you are disingenuous. Because media sources that are actually Conservative may agree or disagree with your politics.

So which one is it? Are you an idiot? Or did you just make another attempt at being disingenuous?

There used to be a Conservative source for opinions and news called the "Wall Street Journal". I am sure in trumpturdland, you guys haven't heard of it.

www.wsj.com/news/collection/coronavirus-6dcf2a21

[joeldalton]

@RolandCuthbert keep flapping your gums with your dumb shit.

[RolandCuthbert]

So you're just hilariously stupid. It isn't that deep at all. You say the word "Conservative", but you don't know what the fuck it means.

[joeldalton]

@RolandCuthbert you really are a retard.

[RolandCuthbert]

And you are child. Extremists took advantage of you son.

That's why you know so little about these issues. You are ignorant and you simply debate folks using your ignorance as a weapon.

[joeldalton]

@RolandCuthbert lmao…you’re fucking hilarious. Another clown.

[RolandCuthbert]

I know you mad son.

But you should get educated. Being a dumb ignorant troll isn't how you want to go down.

[joeldalton]

@RolandCuthbert lmao. Mad.. that’s hilarious.

[RolandCuthbert]

It would be son. If folks were not laughing at you.

[joeldalton]

@RolandCuthbert They’’re laughing at what idiots you are goaded are. You can’t stop trying to pull this L out. But it’s not working.

[RolandCuthbert]

Says the child who's most complex thought is an insult.

[joeldalton]

@RolandCuthbert I really appreciate your dedication to being this stupid

[OddBeMe]

Depends how tired i am…

[Waldoe]

I would shoot your children and your parents...

[goaded]

Yes, we know. That's why you're dangerous.

[IsoUser]

Every American Citizen is entitled to bear arms,

[goaded]

Put the two-year-olds in the front line.

[IsoUser]

Let's be reasonable the freaking Parents of these Psychopaths don't even have tigger guads on their own guns or store the ammo separately in locked area and what freaking Dad buys his Psychotic Son an Assault Weapon with 30 round magazines

[goaded]

So you agree that there should be some restrictions on gun ownership? No toddlers, for example.

[msc545]

Some people would do this

[goaded]

They'd at least put them in harms way. Like the moron who took his 16 year old daughter to the Jan 6 riot.

[msc545]

exactly

[StevieNix]

https://m.imgur.com/bT71EmW

[StevieNix]

https://imgur.com/33f1pIx

[goaded]

@StevieNix You realise that's almost exactly what I wrote in response to @guy13?

This is the difference between the left and the right; the left are willing to admit mistakes.

[StevieNix]

So you admit she made a mistake by getting one word wrong in her speech, and yet you made a question where you implied that she would shoot her grandchildren. Amazing.

[goaded]

@StevieNix Which "one word"? And I'd like to point out that the right have spent the last five years or so pretending pizza orders were proof of pedophilia. Has there been a single apology for that "misunderstanding"?

[StevieNix]

Joeldalton already told you.
Do an update but this time post everything she said. That way anyone who reads your question will know she made a mistake.

[goaded]

@StevieNix Did she admit her mistake? Did you?

[msc545]

I doubt that woman realizes she made a mistake, and even if she does she will never admit it.

[enocheli]

what lol