What do you think about Andrew Tate’s thoughts on why women should have children?

[Anonymous]

https://youtu.be/nlDY0D7CscM

Recently found out who Andrew Tate is

[Anonymous]

Of course he's absolute right.
At the end of the day nobody will remember or care about your career, not even your employer, for whether or not they are loyal to you their company will be gone from this Earth within a 100 years and probably far less.

A company that was created to provide a job and resources ultimately so people can live. Part of life is caring on your family legacy as your family had done for you.

It is of course supremely selfish for anyone to simply choose of their own free will not to carry on said legacy.

A legacy that had been carried on by countless generations thou untold amounts of suffering, hard work, and sacrifice unbroken to make it possible for you and every other generation to actually live on this Earth.

All so you the selfish person thinking only of themselfs can decide to just end it all for everyone and all future generations. Not by tragedy or failure but mere choice as if to win the Darwin award.

This is an act of betrayal against all those struggling people , and all the ones that will never have the same opportunities you did because of you.

[Snsl153]

"... an act of betrayal..."
Ah, blow it out ya arse! Would you seriously recommend that people who really don't want children, or who would make terrible parents, have children anyway? And all for the sake of leaving behind some kind of stupid "legacy"? Don't be ridiculous.

[Opinion Owner]

@Snsl153 What you deride as unintelligent in the form of 'legacy' is the soul reason there can exist any intelligence life at all. Indeed your ability to do so may be the reason such life is soo rare.

What you assume would be terrible at the task of parenting had evolved over billions of year exclusively for that propose.

What you assumes in the form of 'want" is of of supreme importance in life is as often condemned and criminalized for its irresponsible and harmful effects.

You are not speaking logically.

[Snsl153]

"You are not speaking logically", says the person who doesn't seem to even understand logic. Regardless of what people like you may believe about all of this, the decision to have or not have children is still up to each and every one of us, and not petty little tyrants like you.

[Opinion Owner]

@Snsl153 I'm not forcing you to do either, I'm just trying to inform you of the some more of the vast consequences of that choice.

In terms of the sheer number of people you are betraying, it is measurably the most self-centered act you could carry out.

[Snsl153]

I'm fully aware of the consequences of my decisions, and don't need someone like you to tell me. Got it?

[Snsl153]

You're using that word again - "betraying". Who the hell am I "betraying"? Come on, explain that to me. You're talking nonsense again.

[whirled_up_girl]

Well I work in healthcare as a nurse at a hospital. I can say I’ve had just seen just as many women patients that have attempted suicide that were single and also others that had children. He has every right opinion ofcourse but when I was the most depressed it was having a meaningless job and trying to find a guy to settle down with. Had I found the right guy maybe I would’ve had children. However I know I could not afford them as a single mom so I wasn’t going to try to purposely have them while being single. Now where I’m at in my life at my age I love that I’m in a position where I can help people whether they’re my mental health patients or my physical health patients. I’ve plan to continue and go as far as I can, so I can tell so that I can continue to help my community. Doing what I do now has made me much more fulfilled in life and not dependent on antidepressants like I was at my lowest point in my 20s.

I can’t speak for everyone but having seen patients both men and women who have attempted suicide I would never tell anyone “I guarantee you you will end up suicidal.” I really don’t respect anybody who says that to anyone but to each their own.

[MzAsh]

So, where are his kids? Does he not have any? Or just not any that he claims or helps takes care of? Funny, you never see this point being made to men. They’re never trying to scare each other about loneliness and whatnot. It’s always about getting money, making muscles, and smashing women. That life is just fine for the fresh and fit Miami boyzzz but they expect women not to know any better when they start manically scream lecturing about being old and alone.

[monorprise]

He still has time as a man biology allows him time to establish a career so that he can support a woman and child. Women do not have that much time, Every year their chances get more and more difficult and expensive, until they are gone all together uselessly by 40 if not far earlier.

Nature did not evolve women to have time to establish careers, nature evolved women to focus on children first then trade.

[MzAsh]

Women can get pregnant until menopause is completed which doesn’t happen until between 45-55 for most women. Also, the quality of sperm in men begins to decline at age 35.

[Haha456]

@monorprise

sweetie, single women can have kids. Single men can't. I've seen successful single men who are still single in their 40s who are still hoping to have children. Only Men hope for children. Women can have children any time her child bearing years are over.

[Haha456]

People do not realize that if a woman TRULY wanted children, she would already have children.
Women do not need a husband to have kids.
But men need wives to have kids.

[monorprise]

@Haha456 So women being the gatekeepers to sustaining the population then must logically be responsible for the decline of Western civilization.

Perhaps they were simply too busy doing every other less vital job to worry about the 1 job for which no family, no culture, no civilization, or even race can survive without.

This is a strong argument for limiting the distractions of women.

[Haha456]

@monorprise

well children of single fathers tend to end up being criminals and sent to prison.

so should men be responsible for the decline of a decent society?

[Haha456]

@monorprise

well children of single Mothers**** tend to end up being criminals and sent to prison.

so should men be responsible for the decline of a decent society?

[monorprise]

@Haha456 A indecent criminal society is still a society which is more than can exist with no children at all. Both side are responsible for the failure by way of their own selfish, unfair and irresponsible choices not to support the next generation as they had been supported.

[jshm2]

He's only saying what he is for the impact - not the reality.

His grandmother never had options, she lived through racism, apartheid and oppression. She was able to struggle and survive. If she had the options she would rather be any one of the girls in that room.

Not every woman is strong, and not every woman is child productive. It's stupid and demeaning to claim every woman "must" be something, when we know women the world over have different needs and wants no different to men the world over.

His thinking is old fashioned that "family must be first".

[MzAsh]

Well said.

[Haha456]

the only decent guy on here

[letuswaltzforthedead]

Although I haven't heard a single good thing about this man, I do agree with his point. Society literally lives or dies, to a certain extent, on women's reproductive choices. They literally create and develop life months in the womb alone. women are usually the choosier gender when it comes to dating. In a sense, our society is still being shaped by the women who are starting their families more than by career women.

Careers and civilization was built by men (as the red pill often say) but for a reason. Men don't have the same ability as women but they still want a chance to have a family (to some degree, not everyone wants or cares about having a family).

However, I don't agree with why Andrew Tate is saying that. Even though it's illogical from an evolutionary standpoint to be childfree by choice, it's still natural selection. If a woman wants to be taken out of the gene pool by choice, let them and don't force them to reproduce. Generations will feel the choices made, these women won't.

[Subarugirl]

I am not an incubator and I couldn't care less about what boys like Tate think about what I should do with my body or how I should live my life. I don't need to wreck my body to give birth to a the spawn of some boy to be a valuable, contributing member of society. If men want children so badly they should adopt, there are hundreds of thousands of children that need a loving parent... if they are opposed to adopting but still want to sire offspring it's not a matter of wanting to be a parent it's a matter of pride... and that is not a good enough reason to become a parent.

[ElementoP]

Andrew Tate is a joke. Dude goes around wearing leather jackets and $300 sun glasses giving dudes advice about life and women that he just pulls out of his ass, but everyone takes it as gospel because he's good at making you feel stupid for disagreeing with him

[MzAsh]

You nailed it.

[Lookingforthetruth]

Guy slays and has natural instinct to get women (even before he was rich). Would you rather listen to him or to some woman on gag who tells you just be a good simp and a girl will eventually love you?

[MzAsh]

Heh. 😏 Taint may be able to temporarily get the attention of foolish and desperate girl-children with this wallet (cuz we know it isn’t his average looks or obnoxious personality) but believe me, at the rate he’s going, he’ll definitely end up dying alone with no woman who actually cares about him.

[Snsl153]

No, I'm not going to be suicidal with cats when I reach 50, in spite of what this clown may believe. I genuinely do not care about having children, my own family, and never have. It's the kind of choice I just know I would regret making, and I really do not care either about whether or not I'll leave behind any "legacy" or whether anyone will care, or even remember me when I'm gone. I'll be dead, so it won't matter.

[Apple1996]

Def don't like this guys but I do agree with him that more women need to being having kids instead of going to college/getting a job. It's a waste of a woman's life to focus on those things. Choosing to give life is the best thing a woman could do in her life. And it's something that a man can't ever do. It's literally our power in this world and so many women don't realize that.

[TonyMetal___86]

You started it good and end it up terribly!

This power is given to you by a man because without a man you won't even exists!

You can make a new life but only with a man!

Can't you just say the facts that men and women creates life together and they are complete only when they are with each other cause god created both so that they love and take care of each other!

I can assure you that the power that you have mentioned is worthless if men aren't present!

I can eliminate you and you're powers in a blink of an eyes and screw life if a woman is going to tell me that i'm just a waste and that she's the all mighty 😒

[Apple1996]

@TonyMetal___86 let's put it this way. A lesbians couple can easily have a baby pay about 2k or less or sperm. A gay man couple would have to pay 5k for eggs then 35-60k for a surrogate. The power a women has when carrying a child is much more valuable just price wise. If there were no more men on earth women could keep the population going by sperm banks. If there were no more women, Men wouldn't be able to keep the population going. The value of a woman's fertility is much much more powerful then a man's could ever be.

[TonyMetal___86]

Dream on! As if civilizations and all these stuff that you're talking about werr made by women 🤣🤣

Don't worry about us cause if women have the same mindset at yours than in no time we will create and artificial womb and if we couldn't we will die happy and in peace...

The power of men gave you you're life and existence and everything you were taught and see!

That's all i have to say even though the list won't end but i don't have time to reply on some feminists bullsh*t!

[Apple1996]

@TonyMetal___86 that's cuz men are slaves to women lol literally without women-childern, men would have nothing to work for and no motivation to do anything.
I'd go on but like you said you don't wanna hear it 😂

[TonyMetal___86]

Well i never said that women aren't important, even if men are more important i'd say that they need each other equally but you chose to lie to yourself and talk sh*t about men while praising women!

[Haha456]

@Apple1996

I swear to god, nobody on here as brain cells.

Never ever force someone to have kids. Someone who hates kids, will not make a good parent and will likely see the kid as a burden rather than a gift. what kind of child deserves born to be hated?

you can't force someone to like something they don't want.

[Haha456]

@TonyMetal___86

single men can't have kids. single women can have kids.

doesn't matter how you don't like it. its true.

[TonyMetal___86]

@Haha456 if men weren't present, how can they have kids you id*ot?
Also who told you that there won't be any artifical wombs if women haven't existed?

Like it or not, you worth sh*t and doesn't stand a chance to survive if there was no men!

It's true and it's damn true!

[Smashingdoozy]

I'd rather not listen to anything a literal sex trafficker and abuser has to say.

[Asker]

I’m not sure he’s all of that, but maybe?

I feel like this guy would get labeled abuser, sex trafficker, and more but once you get down to the actual facts he isn’t actually all of this.

I’ve been hearing people talk about him but I’ve never known who he is and I wasn’t bothered. It’s only until I’ve seen him on YouTube because apparently he is quite popular recently. A lot of stuff he’s said resonates with me and other stuff, specially the wording of it, didn’t seem palatable to me.

[Smashingdoozy]

He was kicked off big brother for hitting a girl with a belt. He admitted he moved to a country because they're less likely to arrest and convict rapists. He is being investigated for sex trafficking after 2 girls who he didn't allow to leave were found in his home during a police raid. Everything he says is fucked up. I know you are better than this.

[Smashingdoozy]

There's a reason people are talking about him right now. Theyre not good reasons.

[Reaper1985]

in western culture this is the first generation where the death rate is equal or higher then the birth. which is way the government keeps trying to allow in my immigrates to off set the numbers. however if this continues it's only a matter of time until other countries take over likely within the next few generations.

[SaoirseS]

Never heard of him before, which isn't surprising because I couldn't care less about YouTubers. Don't care what his opinion is, but he's entitled to it.

[Asker]

Okay, jeez lol

[Asker]

You must be fun to have conversations with

[SaoirseS]

I am. On topics worthwhile.

[Asker]

So, you wouldn’t have a convo just over miscellaneous topics just for the sake of talk?

Also, isn’t this topic kind of interesting to you? I feel like you definitely have an opinion on this topic but don’t want to share for some reason

[SaoirseS]

What's to share? My husband and I plan on having kids (two, three tops) and raising them, but I also have businesses to run. Since I live where I work, this isn't going to be an overly daunting challenge. But what having kids means for me is I already know I'm too small for normal delivery, so my kids will be born by C-section. That's fine, but who really looks forward to being sliced open? If one believes in freedom, then one believes in choices. Not every woman wants to be a baby factory, some would rather have a career and no kids (my brothers are that way), some women want to be nothing but mothers and housewives, and some can (and will) find a balance to do both. When these opinionated YouTubers start referencing how it was "back in the day" they lose me.

[Asker]

See, I knew you had more to say lol.

If you think about, biologically, there is some inclination to direction we all feel towards having children.

Also, taking things to their final level on almost all things intimate.

For example, imagine if you and your husband stayed boyfriend and girlfriend and never got married.

Aside from legal things, it just feels weird to forever be girlfriend and boyfriend and never becoming husband and wife.
There’s a symbolism and deeper meaning the further you take things that can go further.

I love my goals, but I can’t imagine forever working on them without people by my side.
More importantly children to live after I’ve died, to become better than I, to learn from my mistakes, to make the world a better place, etc.

I think humans gravitate towards this deeper thing outside of career/more money.

[SaoirseS]

Biology may have some to do with it, but our reasoning has much more.
I'm a people person, I truly like people. I'm in a people business, and in real life I'm very social and personable.

People's reasons for marrying and/or having children vary. For some, it's to carry on the family name or create a legacy. The reality is that in due time, unless we're famous or infamous, as individuals there will be a time when we become forgotten. The main attraction for having children, at least for me, is to birth and nurture new life, but not to shape them in my own image.

I believe wholeheartedly in marriage, and would not have stayed too long in my relationship with my husband unless we made a commitment.

[Haha456]

@embracethepain

people are designed to be different. some like cilantro. others do not. some like cheese. others do not. some are smart. others are stupid. some are gay. some are straight. some are murderers. others are not.

just because you find deeper meaning in children. it does not mean everyone else finds meaning in children.

[GlassTop]

Would you want a girl with sever autism or other serious illnesses reproducing? Hell no! A lot of woman should not be having kids. Some women having kids would be no different from that kid suffering for the rest of its life. Don’t let them get pregnant.

[Lookingforthetruth]

Interesting how people are for his advice when it was posted before with many people giving PC answers of women should pick what's best for them.

Is Andrew correct when he says that modern women will be more fulfilled in life, if they became mothers?

[Haha456]

there's nobody who has the right to force a woman who does not want to be a mother, to have kids. and its hilarious how some misogynists think they have that power.

[genericname85]

i think he's a complete moron that pays a bunch of dumb bitches to make strawman arguments on camera just to make himself look like an alpha male in his socials. and i think the sad part is that lots of guys fall for this small minded idiot.

[saffoler]

He has a point. Loneliness sucks. Family is what makes life worth living.

[Asker]

Well, yes, family, but more importantly PEOPLE, make life worth living.

Specifically people close to you, like close friends and loved ones.

We’re humans, we cannot escape what’s innate to us.

[TonyMetal___86]

@saffoler well said!

[saffoler]

Thanks

[Haha456]

This is why married people tend to have longer lives than single people. Because they have family

[zagor]

He's a dipshit. Does anyone remember how many kids Isaac Newton had? Aristotle? Van Gogh? (I think the answer is 0 to all).

I know people who are in their 80's and whose kids haven't visited them for 5 years. This guy is full of sh*t.

[GreatnessBack]

Fresh and Fit?

Sorry, I don't listen to beta simps

i watch Aba&Preach: real people, real talk

https://www.youtube.com/embed/vp80wyvXTAQ

[GreatnessBack]

To answer to Tate: chicks can do both a career and kids. People get it done.

[BeMuse]

Family is very important. Women should want to have children. That said, those women aren't exactly ideal candidates.

[Miristheiss]

Ideal time for kids is between 18 and 30.

Women trying to have kids between 35-40 is not ideal.

[AviatorTom]

He's rough but makes a lot of valid points. Where would humanity be if women didn't have children?

[JDavid25]

Based off what I heard about him. I don't care too much for him.. But like everybody in life he definitely has a point..

[John_Doesnt]

I think he should try shoving a melon out of his pee hole for 40 hours.

[LordOfThePines]

I don't value his opinion, he's just a toxic asshole.

[Googlemyahoo]

I’ve never clicked “Don’t recommend this channel” more on YouTube when his videos pop up

[landingout2]

this is one of andrew tates real moments

and he lets it out every once in a while

but then he goes back to playing the game

its sad but w/e

[BazookaTrouper]

Nice to see the puppet propped up to speak for the Manosphere doesn't represent most of it.

[Dinosaursandanime65]

Imagine supporting deforestation, couldn’t be me

[Jamie05rhs]

His viewpoint is valid; however, not everyone ascribes to that viewpoint.

[SmokinAces2000]

No and I’m surprised anyone really takes him seriously at this point

[MzAsh]

I knoww. I don’t.

[fonduegirl]

Women don't owe anyone anything.

[petitedollbabee]

He’s a clown.

[monorprise]

he's also correct, try disputing what he is saying.

Choosing to not carry on your family line as countless generations of your family had done for you making your life possible is a betrail of all the suffering they went thou so that you could live and work on this earth simply because your too selfish and lazy to carry on the torch so that future generation can enjoy the chance at life you had.

You are a woman, nature did not evolve your body to have time to establish a career like a man. You do this now, or every year thereafter it gets more and more difficult and dangerous until it becomes impossible far sooner than you think.

[Haha456]

@monorprise

so what? nature gave every man sperm. but does it mean every man wants to be a father?

just because you have a sperm and eggs, does not make someone automatically want children.

take a look at how many men abandon their children.

[TonyMetal___86]

@Haha456 true about not everyone wants to become a parent but you made it sound that it's always the man who leaves his kids, women are angels and never dump their men and babies 😂😂

[monorprise]

@Haha456 Just because you want or don't want something does not make it right for you to have or not have it. Most of us want a great many things in life that we practically should not have, be it unlimited wealth, partners, to be free of responsibilities, jobs, chores, etc...

That a man or woman should not want the responsibility of raising children as he or she was raised by someone else labor does not necessarily make it right or sustainable that they should simply walk away from said responsibility.

There are in fact very real and very significant consequences to such choices that make it unfair, careless, or irresponsible to do so.

[Snsl153]

@monorprise "Just because you want or don't want something does not make it right for you to have or not have it."
Well, guess what; you don't have the right to guilt or coerce anyone into a decision that has nothing whatsoever to do with you. Whether or not other people have children is none of your damned business! Understand?

[Haha456]

@monorprise

your grammar is terrible. I read your comment 3 times over and over again. I still couldn't understand the point you were trying to convey

[BazookaTrouper]

@Haha456 Given this troll is spewing objectionable bile, it's not worth reading since he knows he isn't going to convert you.

[hostboy__fastestlaps]

I don't trust anyone that uses Patreon

[bamesjond0069]

Haha yes thats true.