A men can sleep with the same number of people a woman has Yet society would applaud the man but then simultaneously label the woman a slut. Why is this the case?
What makes a "hoe" less wife material than someone who hasn't had sex? Like what makes a woman a hoe?
Please feel free anonymously if your answer is controversial as I'd like honest and open answers
The main reason that promiscuity, female promiscuity in particular, has always been shamed is because it’s vital to social cohesion.
British anthropologist, J. D. Unwin, wrote about this in his book “Sex And Culture”. He studied hundreds of past civilisations and tribes to find out why all of them eventually fell. What he found was that each culture would follow a very similar pattern, and this pattern, the rise and fall of all of these cultures, had mostly to do with sexual morality.
Before modern times there’s evidence that 80% of women reproduced, in comparison to only 40% of men. Meaning that the majority of men throughout history never had children, and this was mostly because they were unable to secure a mate. These societies were mostly polygamous - men with multiple wives.
Polygamous societies tend to be less cohesive, and there tends to be more violence, since the men who can’t get laid are more likely to lash out in anger, as we’re seeing already today with incel mass shooters. Men without children don’t feel like they have any stake in the future society either, so they seen no reason to be productive. Again we see this attitude in MGTOW men. Men who feel like they have nothing to lose are dangerous.
Culturally enforced monogamy was introduced to remedy this. All men were expected to have only one wife, so that more women were available for the men who otherwise wouldn’t have them. Then when those men were married with children they had skin in the game, so they became more productive and co-operative. This obviously included shaming of promiscuity.
While these cultures practiced monogamy, which meant that most men had wives and children to provide for and protect, and more reason to contribute to the betterment of society, Unwin says that those cultures gained what he called “expansive energy”. The men’s focus wasn’t on getting laid or anger about not getting laid anymore, their focus was on building a stronger, more successful society.
The reason mainly women have always been shamed is because it’s so much easier for women to get laid. All they have to do is not be hideous + be available. That’s it. They don’t have to talk a guy into it like we have to with women. Women are the gatekeepers of sex. It hasn’t always been the case that men could sleep around freely, because in the past there were nowhere near as many women willing to sleep around or have pre-marital sex as there are today. People were more religious back then also.
What J. D. Unwin found was that in each of these cultures, the collapse came not long after the loosening of sexual morality, in particular for women. Whenever this happened the culture would see more divorce, lower birth rates, less social cohesion, more violence, more instability.
He then found that they fell for one of two reasons:
1) internal conflict, civil war, anarchy (similar to the increasing political divide today)
2) invasion from a culture with more expansive energy (similar to mass immigration of Muslims into the West today)
Once a culture reaches peak success they tend to abandon the old values, believing them to be out-dated, not realising that all they’re doing is undoing the things which brought them to that level of success in the first place.
There’s also no solution to this. This is just human nature.
I was going to say a shorter version of this, but it would've still been too long.
Basically, whores aren't good for raising families. And if a society doesn't have future offspring in the works, it's no longer going to exist as a "society."
That's not even getting into STD's, infidelity, unwanted pregnancies, diseases like AIDS and monkeypox (regarding gay manwhores), and other negative consequences. And it applies to both genders of whores.
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Yeah it’s hard to explain this briefly in a way that people will understand, because people don’t think about this stuff at all. They assume that we can just change these things and that everything will be fine, and they’re focused on their idea of what an ideal society would be rather than how the world really works.
Another thing that most people don’t understand is that you can’t just import other people from radically different cultures to maintain your own culture because of low birth rates. All that happens there is that eventually, especially if the new arrivals have higher birth rates, and especially if they’re heavily religious, is that their culture grows while your own is replaced/destroyed. They don’t understand the importance of birth rates.
That's a whole paradox to explain, I'll do my best... we're very different from a sexual/relationship standpoint, if you want to think about a really attractive guy you'd think about a guy who's good looking has money takes care of himself respected by everyone seems like somehow he's very well known, competent and confident af, if a guy is thinking about a really attractive woman he'll think about a very physically attractive woman that is loyal that hasn't slept around because it's cheap (I'll explain) and because if there are other men he knows that have slept with her that will destroy his social status instead of raising it up (he'll hear shit like ohhh he married her but we've all had her... Yea no worst feeling for a guy)
Now why it's cheap, which leads me to my second point, it's cheap because a woman's value is innate, she doesn't have to accomplish anything she doesn't have to do anything (that's not me complaining I'm genuinely just explaining this) her value is in her, her beauty and her values and her actions according to those values and her respect for others, that's it it's all innate, you could sit in your room all day you'd need 15 mins and you'll have your entire value ready..
For guys it's different, it's extremely social, what he has done (money achievements captain of the football team musician, potential basically) how do people behave around him how does he behave around other people how well does he take care of himself to not look like a pos outside, that's the basic quick version of how it goes for guys and most of it is social feedback how he looks and how he feels about himself are the only innate things that don't play enough of a role in the grand scheme of things...
So a man has to go out there and risk it all the time (which has its pros and cons), meanwhile a woman has to preserve and enhance what she already has (which has its pros and cons), so a guy who goes out there and fucks is a guy that isn't a loser, he's an attractive guy and that's the proof of it, because a guy who goes out there and fails to be half as attractive as the other guys is just invisible and therefore a loser, a woman who goes out there and gets fucked (I'm not being rude if you could hear my tone I'm just explaining) is losing value and therefore is less attractive (she'd still get fucked but no one's thinking of a ltr with her)...
One last point, all my points are basically the same with a different explanation just to show you how all perspectives mean the same thing, a woman could sleep with any guy she wants she just has to ask, you and I for example could make separate questions where we both ask "wanna have sex with me?", you'll get 160 replies of dudes saying yes I'll get 1 reply from a guy saying yes and another from a woman saying I'm a disgusting troll, and understandably so, women look for quality both in sex and relationships, men look for quantity in sex but for quality in relationships, this can also be explained by how I can impregnate 6000 women meanwhile I don't know the record for a woman getting pregnant is like 15 times or something, that's elite level and it's nowhere close to 6000... so men can go for quantity women can too but definitely shouldn't
Holy shit I rambled so much sorry
I think it's generally because society sees women as the gate keepers of sex. It's so easy for us to get it that we could literally charge money, aka, prostitution. Guys are seen as more valuable and popular if they can get sex from women for free. That doesn't mean that either person who's promiscuous will be good husband or wife material though. Mongamy us a completely different life that requires completely different behaviour.
There’s really no justifiable reason. You see what happens when society excuses male promiscuity: Kids grow up without fathers and families suffer financially and emotionally.
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The people that approve of a man sleeping around casually are mostly women. Many women actually lose interest in a guy if he is inexperienced.
The kinds of men that approve of other men having casual sex also participate in that behavior and that is why they approve of it.
The good men that want an exclusive LTR (and are NOT hypocrites) don't want a woman that has had casual sex, but they also have NOT had casual sex themselves either.
If a person had casual sex, they should not expect to get a partner that has not had casual sex.
If a person has NOT had casual sex, they SHOULD be able to expect to have a partner that also has not had casual sex.
It is a matter of finding a partner with compatible morals. In my opinion, the people seeking a partner for a special emotional bond and wanting to be loved and fall in love are the ones that don't want a partner that has had casual sex because if they have it means it is not special for them and doesn't strengthen the emotional bond in a relationship. That is why people that have casual sex often have difficulty with pair bonding their whole lives. they will usually never feel as special of a connection emotionally as someone would that has not done that.
"A key that can open any lock is a master key. A lock that can be opened with any key is a shitty lock."
Perhaps the main reason people use this "keymaster/gatekeeper" analogy is because women are typically the "gatekeepers" of sex and are ultimately the ones who decide whether they want to have it or not. Women generally have a low sex drive compared to men, so for them to give their bodies up so easily could be a red flag.
I'm not entirely sure if it's suggesting that men are valuable for having a high body count. I think it just means that he has value because he CAN attract a lot of women and rouse their sexual drive, but not necessarily engage in sex. I HOPE that's the meaning behind it.
In the end, it doesn't really matter which side is shamed more. You shouldn't aspire to live a promiscuous sex life if you're looking to settle down some day. Because the more you do it, the more numb you become as a person.
Man or woman, if you're going around sleeping with a bunch of people, you're probably not fit to be in any kind of committed relationship. Because it says that you have very poor judgement of character and/or a lack of self control.
That is my take.
Carrie basically got it. For one it is an achievement for another it is indulgement. Societal norms, risks and the simple fact men outnumber women in every country in the world until we're seniors all play part.
Outside of online places like this I have also never really met any guys that have issues with girls being promiscuous. I feel that is largely an issue arising from how many men lack sexual experience and therefore would also like someone at a similar experience level. Which somewhat works well with the general idea before.
Ordinarily the very little judgement I have seen, and it hasn't been much, has been from other women. But I think every answer here actually refers to the same phenomena. Guys compete for a prize, girls pick one up and hand it out. Naturally if everyone in the world has a Nobel prize it starts to mean a little less. At the moment roughly 975 Nobel prizes have been awarded and they are still highly sought after. So I wouldn't worry all that much about a specific number.
Because sex is easy for women, sex is hard for men. We have to work, speak right, spend money, and fail (quite a bit), while a woman only needs to open her legs. Also, being entered, vs entering is a very different act.
Men are territorial; so, a woman who has already been with a lot of men (10+) is just disgusting to them- they can't legitimately call them "theirs."
Sex with multiple partners kills a woman's ability to pair bond, and kills her future satisfaction in a marriage; while it does nothing to men (stats show this).
Because it's insanely easy for women to get laid, while it's insanely hard to the point it's impressive, for a man to get laid easily. Women even complain about how much attention they get from the opposite gender, so you can't complain about "being objectified" then also complain about being a sexual object, at the same time.
So yeah, women are shamed for being promiscuous and men are not for the same reason why Olympic athletes get gold medals and you sitting on your couch drinking a bottle of water, don't.
Also, no one says "promiscuous men" and players are "husband material." Hell, @Fuentes on here says he's super-successful with women; ask him if he wants to get married or considers himself a perfect future husband.
I will never be married & I would be a horrible husband cause they will never get attention or affection from me. I hate to be bothered and I don't like to touch unless we're fucking & I hate solving a woman's issues & I will not deal with a woman's 101 emotionAL Rollercoasters on random days, when she's not on her period. I also hate updating people on what I'm doing all the time. All I can do is offer free dick & care about dead presidents on a green sheet of rectangle paper & my credit score.
I guarantee I've said this 50 times on here. Don't discuss your numbers with anyone. Go fuck whoever you want. The next relationship you're in doesn't need to know your past. Women have every right to go out and be promiscuous. If the dude has an issue with it then you two are not a match. That's pretty simple. If you're just meeting him for the first time he has no idea how many people you've fucked. Have fun and live your life. The opinions of others don't matter. Unless they're fucking you feeding you paying your bills tell them to shut the fuck up
A ho is still seen as less threatening than a guy who sleeps around or even womanizes women, who are seen as potentially predatory. I can get fired for making a sexual statement to a female co-worker or even touching her, but if she did it to a guy she wouldn't lose her job, at the most she would just get a bullshit coaching from HR. A woman can even be a workplace whore and never get in trouble for it.
Women who are complaining about wanting to sleep around while hiding behind the excuse that "men get to do it" only want the benefits but not the negatives that come with it. Men deal with both. So if you want to sleep around then you shouldn't care what people think of you doing it.
I wouldn't go anywhere near a promiscuous woman. Why should I? I am not, and haven't been promiscuous. I don't look up to men that are promiscuous either. I think it's only on the surface that other guys appear to occasionally give a high five, deep down they do not respect him. There is nothing clever about sleeping around.
No matter what women say, or however much they complain, the men that want something serious will avoid you if you've been sleeping around. If I was looking to start a family, I would choose to die alone childless, rather than have a family with a promiscuous woman.
Promiscuity is not a good thing, on multiple levels, and men simply hold women to a higher standard with respect to promiscuity.
But instead of women upping their game and holding men to the same higher standard, they ask men to lower their own standards. Huh?
Women talk about men being sexist hypocrites on this subject, which is ironic considering how women constantly say they have higher standards in dating than men do, and that men should just raise their own standards. But when men actually do have higher standards than women they call it sexism. It makes no sense.
Having said all that, tell us why you think men should lower their standards. What valid reason is there for men to do that? Honest question.
Because we do the same for them?
A woman wouldn't shun a man who's had multiple sexual encounters prior to them
But a man would
promiscuous men and women have casual sex for the same reason
For pleasure
So what makes her any different in value from a man?
Again, the question is why you women don't judge men the same way men judge women who are promiscuous. Why do you expect men to lower their standards rather than women raising theirs? Please answer that specific question.
It's a fact that the more promiscuous a woman is, the more likely she is to cheat on and/or divorce her husband once married. Men know this instinctively, but statistics also show it to be true. There are scientific reasons for why that is, but they don't really matter. The fact is that it's true and we know it in our bones. Women have intuition about men that they have gained from thousands of years of evolution, and so do men. And our intuition tells us that promiscuous women are lower quality and a poorer choice as wives and mothers to our children. That's really all that matters here.
You must be new to the internet, kiddo.
A lock opened by any key, is a shitty lock. A key that can open any lock is a master key.
A women whose legs can be unlocked by anyone isn't going to be the cleanest, or the most trustworthy and will usually career as a prostitute.
Not new to the Internet.
Just asking the day old question that I feel still hasn't hasn't answered properly
This is a problem with society and not on social media
Because most people are hypocrites in one way or another, and that's just the one men like to cling to. Call any man a slut or a whore, and they will probably not like it. Personally I avoid people of any gender that sleeps around. They tend to have too much stupid drama in their lives.
Gender roles. Don't like it switch genders. You do have that option now. Cry me a river, guys have thier gender roles as well and not all of them thrill me but you don't hear me complaining about it.
Generally if a woman jumps from bed to bed then sex is not a bonding experience to her. It calls into question her very ability to bond. And since a guy builds a life with her, raises kids with her, attaches his assets to her. There is much to risk and lose if he chooses badly. Women that can't bond will sleep with anything that give her a thrill. No guy with half a brain will choose a woman like that.
It's extremely rare that I ever cross paths with someone who doesn't equally look down on promiscuous men.
In the US (can't speak for other western countries), the average woman has a higher body count than the average man (about 7 to 6). There's a lot of contributing factors and trends to that statistic, but it's a very recent development.
from a science standpoint and i encourage you to research this for yourself, but women with a high body count or with many sexual partners have a much harder time statistically to pair-bond or to be satisfied sexually in relationships unless the guuy she is currently with is her best sexual experience
Men believe women are theirs to possess. They don’t want other men playing with their toys, so they do everything they can to keep their toys “pure” until they are ready to play with them themselves.
And since teaching men to have more respect for sex means they might not get laid as often as they want, they put all the responsibility of protecting the purity they desire on women and shame them when they don’t live up to that expectation.
I don’t applaud men for being man whores or male sluts. I also wouldn’t consider a man to be marriage material for me no matter how impeccable his morals are.
With women, I’m not going through the hypocritical charade of having her dress in white at the alter of a church when I know leopard print spandex would be more appropriate. I’m not going to give a woman a Diamond ring for something all of my fraternity brothers have had for a six pack of beer.
No one really respects man-whores, either. Except trashy people.
Women are our moral bastions and gate keepers. Men are already debased. If women also debase themselves, then society falls down.
Because it's easier for a woman to get laid than it is for a guy.
It's probably easier for an unattractive woman to a guy who wants to fuck her (even if she doesn't want to fuck him) than it as for the average guy.
Because men and women are different, a man can impregnate a lot of women in one day, a woman can get pregnant only once in nine months, so women are expected to be more picky.
Because there exists something called telegony which basically means that female after sexual intercourse carry genes ef her partner and her child inherit them, whilst men have the same genetic material througout their lifes irrespectively of their sexual history.
Hope I helped you
Always remember and this is for the lock and key people. A pencil sharpener that can sharpen many pencils is useful. A pencil that has been in many pencil sharpeners is useless.
This is why humans shouldn't be compared to objects.
Women are expected to be wall flowers whilst men are not
A key that can open any lock is a master key. A lock that can be opened by any key is a shitty lock.
That's a second time I've heard that analogy today!
So in your eyes how many keys does a woman need to have in her lock to be considered a "hoe" or overtly promiscuous?
That’s for you to decide. But understand this bill of lies sold to women by feminists that they can have free-wheeling sex on demand has resulted in a generation of miserable, bitter, used up women. Women who have multiple sexual partners find it hard to ever bond with someone and report dissatisfaction with any type of long-term relationship.
It's actually for her prospective future husband to decide whether or not she's had too many random keys in her lock for him to want to share a commitment with her. It's about whether their pasts are compatible or way out of sync to expect the relationship to last.
Men get reps too & it makes girls leery around you because they figure you’ll just use them too.
I would not date a women with more bodies then me it shows you have a bad sense of impulsive behavior.
women are the conscious of the country , not men. Men are the enforcers of laws and rules.
A country is moral or not moral by what women do.
Women raise children , not men.
Perhaps there are exceptions. My mother (father's wife) died giving birth to me. My father raised me and tried his best. It took him 25 years to recover and date again. He started finally dating a woman just recently last month, after being absent from the dating world for soooo long.
u think so? i think there are many women who dislike promiscuous men , too
Same reason why men are so heavily shamed for being promiscuous whilst women are not.
I find it's the opposite
There's a huge slut shaming culture out there
Then I also find your question the opposite
Biology. The two sexes are not equal. They have different purposes and different aims, and they operate in different ways.
but they have sex for the same reasons...
Glad I'm not promiscuous
Bc women end up pregnant and men don't.
From evolution
Disney is not going to agree with me
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