Who organized Jan 6? Did you hear about it in advance? So many online informants kinda crazy it happened, what a show 👏
but BLM and antifa are just slogans, not organizations, and slogans aren’t domestic terrorist organizations, maybe we could call them domestic terrorist slogans and get them banned, I think there are a few organizations setup with “BLM” in their name maybe even “ANTIFA” so these are fair game
This is America, we’ve gone through life as colonists in the new world, independence, a civil war, becoming and empire, becoming a super power … now economics are catching up to us
we don’t need citizen militias in 2022, their stated aim is to protect themselves against the government, im sorry? From the US Federal Government? OK you’re a terrorist then, sorry…
America tries its best. Our people didn’t go to Iraq to rob their oil, that’s why it sucks for them, we are all fools. But, I think we’ve made some good decisions, like JFK firing Allen Dulles for being a domestic terrorist … and Truman firing Gen. MacArthur for wanting to start nuclear war
i don’t get why people like Trump, I almost voted for him, but he really let me down, Rob Paul really let me down too he’s a dim old man
It depends on how we define terrorism. Both groups have certainly perpetrated a great deal of domestic violence. Here are some facts about both groups.
Antifa:
"Antifa is a militant, loosely organized movement of far-left vandals, rioters, and other criminals who advocate for Marxism. The name Antifa, which is short for “anti-fascist,” uses criminal violence to advance its cause, inflicting damage on innocent civilians’ property–a sign that the group is the exact opposite of its name."
https://www.activistfacts.com/organizations/antifa/
BLM:
Among its stated objectives, BLM lists the goals of not only defunding the police, but "abandon police, prisons, and all punishment paradigms"
The above is taken from the Breathe Act, which was authored, promoted and sponsored by the BLM. https://breatheact.org/
Draw your own conclusions.
Yes, they are more terrorists than those peaceful trespassers on January 6th who if they had been BLM would of occupied the capital for months probably.
They also didn't burn down a police station, turn over cars, light them on fire, block traffic and pull people out of their cars to beat up, pull women out of them to haul off to an alley to rape.
Yeah, if there is such a thing as domestic terrorist, it is BLM people and to think I initially supported them until their violence turned me off. Especially the blocking traffic part... making it a scary prospect to wonder if you'd come across a group blocking you and then going to destroy your vehicle and harm you.
That is a extremely terrorizing moment when someone chooses to stay home, rather than go out because they fear for their life from a group of BLM insurrectionists.
@MCheetah What's funny is when BLM came out, everyone around here was like why are they talking about "Bureau of Land Management" so much.
Here there is a lot of distain for the BLM as in that government agency, cause they close off public land for no reason, trails and other shit... lots of hatred towards them so when it hit the news, like oh so others aren't liking them either? 😂
@Aerissa_Jade
I was already in Korea when BLM was rioting in 2020, but in Philly, they 100% would just straight up shoot you. Like, no warning shots, no "you have sixty seconds to leave." Just a f*cking sky-blocking barrage of bullets raining down on you and lights out! That's it! BLM Philly knew that, which is why they only protested downtown in the "rich" neighborhoods.
Nope. BLM is a mostly peaceful movement. It's foolish to think riots will be non-violent, and people who think civil disobedience should be "peaceful" are stupid and forget history.
Antifa is less peaceful, but I can't blame people for assaulting neo-Nazis. Nazis and facists need some forceful discouragement, and I support Antifa in what they do.
Meanwhile, CPAC literally displays a "We are all Domestic Terrorist" banner (oh ho, a confession), and commit an insurrection. Oh and they're supporters of actually recognized domestic terrorist groups.
So, really, the GOP is the domestic terrorist group. They literally flew that flag themselves.
"Nope. BLM is a mostly peaceful movement. "
didn't know burning down cities and assaulting authorities was ever considered peaceful.
"Nazis and facists need some forceful discouragement, and I support Antifa in what they do."
did you know the REAL Nazis back in ww2 started off just as ANTIFA. they were all young punks with hero and self righteous complex. like who the fuck are they to have authority to assault anyone?
"the GOP is the domestic terrorist group. They literally flew that flag themselves."
is that why non of us when to go out and riot when Trump got censored from social media and cheated out of last election?
Just because Some white guy doesn’t like black people because of something that happened in the past doesn’t give A blacks person the right to Beat or destroy a white person up.
My dad Was a Racist because he was beat up and they Tied his feet up to the back of a Truck and starting driving.
Which I don’t have to explain the pain that would Cause. White people have a valid reason for not liking blacks. And just because you don’t Agree with there reasons Doesn’t give you Authority to invalid them and Call them Evil because they went through a Trauma or Traumas that turned them into a Racist.
@Light909090 I'm really sorry for what happen to your father and I dont even want to imagine the pain he went through during his incident, thank God he's alive most importantly. but at the same time racism is never justify, I mean even if a group of blacks, white or whatever specific race did something to you its still not fair that you make their whole entire race pay for what that group of assholes did.
also let's not forget that if you are being racist you are obviously playing the game that game that these BLM bitches want you to play; the way they want you to play it as a bonus
Can you really tell the difference between a fascist or a communist when they're both clad in black and acting like violent thugs?
One of the key note speakers at the recent CPAC event in Dallas was Viktor Orban... literally the dictator of Hungary, AND Marjorie Taylor Greene said the quit part out loud, stating that she is a proud white nationalist... These things aren't really hard to see.
@Light909090
What valid is there for hating black peoples?
Gaining their freedom from enslavement, demanding equal justices, laws to protect unfair hiring practices, lending and rental laws to protect from discrimination, accountability of law enforcement interactions with minorities, etc, etc? What valid reason are their Mr conservative?
You can’t go around Committing Crimes and expect white people to not Hurt a black criminal just because he’s Black.
Whether the man white is racist or not only he knows.
If some black Dude lays his hands on me or I catch him In my house I’m beating the shit outta him and Then I will wait for law enforcement to show up to handcuff the criminal.
It doesn’t matter if your black white orange Green yellow if you commit a crime it’s lawful To lay hands on the criminal with enough force to Show the criminal what a consequence looks like.
Black people already have freedom nobody is exempt from judgement when one becomes a criminal.
Those with a mental problem should not be able to own a Gun.
It doesn’t matter if your black people are people and people all struggle at times but committing a crime and expecting to not get man handled by another person or a law enforcement officer because your black doesn’t make that person a racist it makes The criminal a bad guy by trying to Play Victim when the criminal is the one that deserves the justified consequences
I’ve met Many black people that Make really good money 💴 And I’ve met criminal black people that don’t make any money at all and are on the streets because they decided to go out and commit a crime.
Race has nothing to do with it it has to do with what’s Right it’s about Justice.
Not Equal nobody is equal everyone has there own strengths and weaknesses and some use there strengths to Become a criminal then they call the person that stops there crime and has to manhandle them as to prevent any other evil crimes from happening even if it means shooting that criminal dead.
That’s just the sad reality of life people commit crimes and when there Manhandled they play Victim and call the Hero a Racist for Preventing them from committing there crime or crimes.
All Lives matter not just black lives but all lives.
Just because your black doesn’t Give you the right to commit crimes.
And it doesn’t give you the right to make more Money than other Co workers.
Everyone has to do there part in society and becoming a criminal then calling everybody racist for disagreeing with the criminal behavior and even taking Steps to ensure the criminal act is not successful does not Make someone a Racist. And it is not advancing our society in a good way.
It’s just causes more problems. Blacks were ounce slaves but we’ve Evolved as a society so that that doesn’t happen anymore. If you live in a country That does that then you can Move away to a nicer place that doesn’t do that. That’s what freedom looks like. Having the ability to have freedom as long as you don’t commit crimes.
And no citizen is going to know the law better than a Officer of the law.
Some cops Are bad and shouldn’t be allowed to be cops. but most cops are good There human beings as well just trying to do there Job the best way they Know how by preventing crime and helping people servicing law and order and punishing those who decide to go over to the Dark side.
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u As I say so often on this site, define your term and I'll tell you if it's a match.
In the real world, "terrorism" is sometimes defined to create an advantage over political rivals and it has littl or nothing in common with what most of us would call "terrorism.".
@OlderAndWiser. Interesting. Could you explain a bit about what you mean? I'm not clear. Do you agree with him or do you think he is a terrorist?
I've heard of him but don't know that much about him myself.
@Lliam As I understand it, Mike Glover is a special forces veteran who is an advocate for the second amendment and who warns that a time may come when the people need to rebel against the government, but he has no history of doing anything violent or organizing any violent activity. However, the FBI has classified his group as a "Militia Violent Extremist" organization.
Ah. I understand.
I googled him a bit ago and watched one of his short videos. It gave me a taste of where he is coming from and also talked about the new FBI designation.
He seems like one of the good guys. Exactly what this country needs and what the current government opposes. The government is working to make everyone helpless and dependent, not strong and self reliant. Independent people don't want to be ruled by a totalitarian technocrasy.
My wife and I network with local gardeners and farmers in case things collapse. We work to elect constitutional sheriffs. We're all about the 2nd amendment, too.
He's definitely one of the good guys.
It's just that in today's world, if you're someone who publicly supports the second amendment and believe people should have an ecosystem of readiness and preparedness---you may be considered an alt-right extremist...
People nowadays seem to be getting labeled worse for less.
https://youtu.be/yirfELrGG9Y
https://youtu.be/DVBYexgXqJ4
Check out these "extremist" content.
No. I’m proud of the BLM movement and it will always have my support. I understand their meaning and what they are standing up for.
The far right try to make them out as terrorists by sharing false photos of cities burning and even disguising themselves as BLM supporters and burning down police stations themselves. Most of them are arrested for it too but hey, call the BLM terrorists for all I care. It really just points out to me how oblivious you are to who and what you support.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/23/texas-boogaloo-boi-minneapolis-police-building-george-floyd?fbclid=IwAR0PSQf7n9-wujEZ_mKW6_eSGjlBdw37MWKYuDJxYTzU55BvtCY0UkxqWes&mibextid=4td405
Yup! 100%! They literally swayed local city elections and jury decisions through threats, intimidation, and violence, like the George Floyd/Derek Chauvin trial. If that ain't terrorism, then what is?
Worst part is, so many of these people are borderline Short Bus citizens, so what could you even do against them? Shoot a bunch of mentally handicapped black and white-guilt people in the streets? Should've just had The Proud Boys go after them. But then, it'd be like a "we got these mongooses to kill all the snakes; now we're stuck with a mongoose problem" situation then.
Yes. They are more violent than neo-Nazis and white supremacists. And I hate Nazis and white supremacists.
I support the right to hold certain views, even if I find those views disgusting. But when organized mobs are confrontational and violent, and engage in arson, looting and vandalism, they should be treated as terrorists.
I'd be reluctant to cast that label over the organization of BLM- while I've certainly seen activity I'd call terrorist from individuals, but I've seen no evidence that that's from the organization as a whole. As to antifa, do they even HAVE a central organization?
A working definition of terrorism that I have found useful is violence for the accomplishment of political aims. That being the case the arson, murder, assaults, and property destruction done by both of those groups meet the established criteria.
Not a fan of them, but I wouldn't consider BLM a terrorist group especially if the FBI doesn't classify mass shooters as terrorists. Antifa, or at least the US-branded one, is for certain a terrorist-run group; their whole purpose is to create wars and physical attacks between motivations, not equality or protests against police brutality or billionaires not being taxed.
That said there are plenty of bad apples in the BLM movement; though every one of them is different. Black Lives Matter definitely has good points about police reform, though I don't necessarily agree with defunding the departments. I think this is what BLM should be talking about more often: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPlEK49DQCA
Well on the one hand BLM and antifa use violence to achieve political change, which is textbook terrorism. But I'm also not a fan of how government abused our rights by slapping that label on everything. Personally I just say the best defense against terrorists is the prolific distribution of firearms
Yes they are a domestic terrorist organization for BLM and antifa they are a communist Terrace organization and we should treat them the exact same way we would treat Al-Qaeda or Isis or Afghanistan
They are technically an international terrorist organization, but yes they do recruit from within our nation and commit acts of domestic terrorism.
No. Antifa isn't even an organisation, its just the collection of any individual person or group of any size, with just the criteria of being against fascism.
Yes, they caused billions in damage and caused the death of a couple of dozen people. They are the biggest threat in America today.
Yes I would consider Black Lives Matter & ANTIFA to be domestic terrorist organizations, they have no regard for the law in the US and over here in the UK, though in the UK they are not permitted to act as they do in the US.
Sure. And it's funny how some men think an organization founded by radical man hating feminist lesbians (BLM) gives one crap about them.
Definitely. I've been saying this for a while already. And we have evidence of the damage and destruction they cause.
What criteria are you using to distinguish terrorism from other forms of violence?
I'm no expert on terrorism, but it is indeed distinct from other forms of violence.
Terrorism has an element of political, ideological, and financial intentions for its violence, as well as reasons for its use of fear and propaganda amongst a population or society of people.
A lot of what terrorism is based upon is the intimidation and coercion against the populace and government using a variety of means such as mass destruction and what not
Of course you would, kind of expected this.
No offense or anything
I'm just rather attuned over how you will answer certain questions based on talking with you.
No, "domestic terrorism" is an actual term within the topic of criminology/criminal justice field.
Well, what do you mean by USG? Everyone that works under the government? Or a few people that may or may not have any experience in actual operations against terrorists and terrorist organizations at the top.
Because I can give you countless special operators that will label blm and antifa as effectively terrorist organizations
These are men with actual experience fighting terrorism on all levels and fronts
But I can give you a politician that has no such experience that dictates decisions made on this topic and what the special operators do/ don't do
Both are government
Who is right?
u State Department is the US Government proponent for terrorism. Point of fact.
If you even bothered to notice, the talker in the YouTube video in the few minutes I watched it is the one who said the FBI designated him a "terrorist," then walked it back and said it was "violent extremist."
No matter how much you want to glorify "fighters" and Special Ops people, they don't make policy nor do they make official designations. Did they not give you grunts this training (usually in your TARP training) in your Guard unit, or did you pencil whip the training like most Guard units do? The military does not (and is not supposed to) label domestic groups as terrorists unless there's a foreign nexus. Extremists, yes, but terrorists no.
Special operators can come up with any term of convenience they want. It's no sweat off my back. But privates don't run the Army, and special operators don't make policy.
Well, why label him "violent extremist" when there's no history of violence from him and he's not an extremist.
You know as well as I do that people that make policy aren't always qualified to make such policy
There's also a lot of politics over who gets labeled what and who doesn't
If a SF SGM has an opinion on terrorism, who else can boast expertise?
A " policy maker " with no real world or extensive experience with fighting terrorism on all levels and fronts?
Come on now.
u Did you by any chance read this piece?
politicalresearch.org/.../lead-election-special-forces-train-civilians-insurgency
It is an actual offense and it is an actual word lol
I read a bit of that and it is clearly being disingenuous over Mike and his company as well as American Contingency
The piece says he's trying to be an alternative to extreme right wing militias
Also, saying American Contingency is basically based off of anti Muslim and what not and has become a vehicle of misinformation
Obviously some sort of hit piece, trying to facade as objective but its actually obvious in the wording that they use.
If you know or follow Mike, FieldCraft, etc
It's not that at all
SMH, the dishonest and contortion is real
u Like every other YouTuber, he's feeding people what they want to believe and creating a market. And I'm all too familiar with FieldCraft; they work nationwide and I've had the pleasure of throwing two of them out of my building - twice - when they tried selling me a security plan. Here's the problem with all of this - every time someone calls the January 6 mobs (Oath Keepers, Proud Boys, etc.) "domestic terrorists" or "insurrectionists," the same old whataboutisms come out: "What about Antifa? What about BLM?" It's a distinction with a difference; comparing a rash of mob violence across the nation with an attack on our seat of government during a constitutional proceeding makes no sense.
Glover may have crossed swords with Al Qaeda, ISIS, Al Shabaab, etc. overseas and may be a great fighter for all I know. But domestic violence isn't in his lane. Sure, he's entitled to his opinion, but use of the word terror (or variations) elicits fear, and fear sells. But back to the original question, no, BLM and Antifa are not terrorist organizations, domestic or otherwise. Where BLM is concerned it doesn't openly promote violence, but it does have within its following those who believe that peaceful protests don't achieve change and resort to violence. There are several BLM organizations across the country that are no affiliated with its foundation. And as one commenter pointed out, hell, Antifa isn't even a real organization.
In closing, if you want to discredit the piece as a hit piece, go right ahead. I treat it with some skepticism as well, but I also treat Glover with a healthy degree of caution too. And I've also had enough training and education to know the term "terrorism" has very specific meaning in government . Glover may be a great American for all I know, but he is not the spokesperson for the population.
As much as I don't care for them.. This is frommthe FBIs site..
Domestic terrorism: Violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups to further ideological goals stemming from domestic influences, such as those of a political, religious, social, racial, or environmental nature.
So yes by definition BLM and Antifa are terrorist organizations..
At the end of the day, who the hell cares what you call them? Looters, arsonists, glass breakers, rioters, thugs, domestic terrorists, dumb asses, etc. no matter what you want to call them they become criminals when they do criminal things. It really does not help one bit that state laws have put their arms around the term "terroristic threat" because they think it sounds cool when all it means is drunk husband is pounding the door yelling he's going to whip the wife's ass. Alas though, there is no state or federal statute that can be used to label anything domestic terrorism. It's actions that matter, not words. You might as well argue over how many angels can dance on the head of a pin so why don't you all do something useful.
@LuvMeSomeBoys
Yeah, I wasn't so consumed over the legal term, rather, the actions and intentions of these groups.
That's why I asked people if they consider these groups domestic terrorists, rather than what the specific legal requirements or stipulations were because I don't know all of them and I don't think it really matters here
@JDavid25
Yeah, I was going to post that as well but I was just mentally fed up. There is a hopelessness with talking with certain people.
I didn't want to argue with the nuance of definition, rather, the essence and actions of these groups and how it nearly parallels terrorist organizations overseas.
@SaoirseS
He's not feeding people what they want to believe.
He's created a community of people centered around preparedness and readiness.
I mean, look at the world today.
It's absolutely bonkers from all angles geopolitical, ideological, financial, etc.
If you know Fieldcraft and its ecosystem it is literally about making a community of prepared individuals that take readiness to a personal level.
You are your own first responder.
Mike and other similar types are those people that aren't your cutthroat run of the mill businessmen
He's a real dude
Another one is Tim Kennedy, Andy Stumpf, etc.
They attract a lot of people and a following precisely because they are real and show the world how it is and not how people want them to be
But if it makes you feel better to lump them in with the snake oil salesman then sure go ahead
Under shitty US law, anyone opposing the government is a "terrorist," hence the argument is moot.
Yeah nothing their main goals have been political and social.. They are by the very definition domestic terrorist..
BLM terrorist? Their founders snd leaders stole millions of donations to fund a lavish lifestyle. They don’t actually care about black lives at all.
No. Some people under that organization just don't know what the message is and beat up random white people for some reason.
Interesting fact: 93% of BLM protests been peaceful.
Let’s talk about Jan 6 and Unite the Right
Lol you and your numbers. 93% lol. Pray tell, what constitutes a “BLM protest?” How is this quantified? Is someone keeping count? Is there an official website of every sanctioned BLM protest going on across the nation? Surely if 93% of them have been peaceful we should be able to base that number off an actual statistic?
Is it only a BLM protest if people are wearing their shirts, or do they have to chant “Black Lives Matter!” too? What’s the criteria? Wait wait wait. What if only some of the crowd is chanting. Does it still count?
Of course you’ll just say that all the riots that many of us clearly saw were completely peaceful. There was no assault, injury, vandalism, or arson. But you know what, I live in a city that had riots. Plural. Don’t tell me for a fucking minute 93% of their protests were peaceful. Seattle. Minneapolis. Portland. LA. Louisville. Kenosha.
Let’s talk about Unite the Right and January 6. Conservatives protest so goddamn seldom you can count it on one fucking hand. A lady—one-died at the Unite the Right rally after some asshole in a car ran into some person. One deranged man in a vehicle.
OH MY GAWD THE CRAZY REPUBLICANS!
It was one guy. One.
January 6. How many shots were fired? Hmmm? In your grand coup. I mean surely the assailants were armed to the teeth!
One shot fired. One. By a cop (you know those people you pretend to hate for shooting people when they don’t need to) because a lady was climbing through a window.
One shot. One lady. One death.
Sure sounds like the Republicans sure are scary, scary people. Watch out. 🙄
Meanwhile there are businesses in my city that got vandalized. People threatened. Assaults. But hey, I guess it doesn’t count for whatever stupid reason. It wasn’t an “official” trademarked BLM protest. 🙄
Yup, right along with the rest of the democrat party.
Yes. Definitely, they play a role in why our country is so fucked up and divided right now.
Respectively in their own way
hell yea? what else do you call people who insite riots, burn down cities, attack and authorities and anyone who opposes them?
YES! Round them all up put them all on unmarked busses to some dark far away hanger where they are ground up into a pulp and sold as dog treats if anyone asks where they went no one knows.
Absolutely. The foremost ones. By contrast, the klan has 3000 members nation wide.
At one point, maybe. Probably not at this point though.
Yep imagine players bending the knee for the KKK at football matches.
I don't know enough about either of them to say for sure.
No. The peaceful protests poved it 100%. BurnLootMurder are completely allright.
No - Ask about the Proud Boys and the Oath Keeper morons instead.
Its a scam they don’t really care about black lives
BLM i see as a scam & Antifa I see as liberal radical terroist.
Well they raised a lot of money then took the money and ran that criminal
Both are full of trash.
Definitely yes - no way around it.
Yeah sure. Why not?
Nope! I have emotional intelligence.
Oh Yes They Fucking Are
I agree entirely! How they are put up as heroes... and in the case of ANTIFA, an organization that "doesn't exist"..
is crazy >.>
They cause more violence than they stop
yuppers...
Oh HELL yes!
BIG TIME!!
yup.
Of course
Of course they are
Nope
Yep. 👍
Yes, no bueno
Yes I do
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