... and more specifically how do you think it would affect how people in society interact w/each other? More so, how would it affect interaction between the genders (Female and Male) and gender socialization/gender politics?
Lol at absolutely NOBODY engaging with the premise of the question. Guys. And Gals. If you don't have anything to say about the topic, like you can just skip it. You don't have to post on every single post.
Highly Questionable, yeah I like your speculation. I think your ideas would be natural consequences of super cheap airplane and rocket fuel.
I'll play.
If say, fusion was discovered, and we had access to an order of magnitude more energy than we do now, I can imagine there would be consequences for the tourism and hospitality industry. You hit the nail on the head about cheap flights.
Naturally that would mean that romantic destination getaways would be more popular and accessible than ever. You could imagine teenagers taking their high school dates to Aruba. You can speculate that society's moral standards would lax even further and parents wouldn't insist on chaperones. Or you can just take it as the class of young people that are usually broke and can't do exciting stuff like that would, and they wouldn't feel as if they weren't as legit as more wealthy older people.
Anyway, ocean desalination would be a thing. Construction would be more feasible in more isolated parts of the world. Like I said, tourism would expand, and the hospitality industry would expand with it.
Heck, excavation and mining might change. Maybe ladies wouldn't demand diamonds anymore because fusion allowed mining tunnels to kick into overdrive and diamonds just became too cheap and common to con young grooms into signing away half a years paycheck for one.
Cheap energy also means just down the line basic improvements in living conditions. Nobody would have to worry about the choice between their air conditioner bill vs rent during the blistering summer months. Nobody would freeze to death in the winter. Maybe couples under financial stress would get along better.
It's basic sociology that people have more babies in times of good economies. With our energy needs a solved problem, maybe our birthrate decline would cease and even turn around. Could you imagine people having compensatory salaries and families like the used to back in the 50's instead of being serfs for globohomo?
On the negative side, ocean desalination would mean the end of droughts. So no more sexy shared shower time with my girlfriend to conserve water!
Hang on. You're not here to pitch your perpetual motion free energy scam are you?
Finally, someone putting their intellectual/opinionated "Back into it"!
But you missed my mark just a bit... nevertheless excellent ideas.
Didn't intend to initiate a new global vacation boom.
What is "Globohomo?
Haha, Those shared showers, desert life has it's perks, no? I mean the privilege of helping the environment like that ;).
No, No everyone has the right to be heard, no need to compete.
No offense to anyone else who posted, your posts are excellent as well.
Nothing in the way of a PM scam... I have no idea whether anything like this is possible.
You're confused.
Technically speaking; thermal, wind, hydro and solar energy are all "free energy sources" as they cost nothing i. e. - natural and renewable energy sources.
But rather, it's the infrastructure to tap into them, that costs money. Sure you can jerry rig off grid, and small scale equipment, to tap into them for cheap. But to run a country you need energy to scale, and a means to control that energy nationally. However, most countries run an electric grid and all energy sources power that grid.
Oil, gas and coal are the main providers of electricity, and are easy to scale to a country, and easier to control centrally. But they are unnecessary as cleaner natural energy is more readily available
Right now, renewable energy is being held back by American barons. Mainly as their economy relies on oil refining and mining.
Until America is either broken up, or collapsed, the world cannot move onto cleaner energy. So really, it's America that needs to go this century, just like Soviet Union had to go last century, for the world to advance to the next level.
No...
no confusion here.
At one point, I came to a similar conclusion, i. e. "America has to go" to initiate the next step forward.
But what does the word-concept "America" mean at this point?
With the theoretical advent of Free Energy, the current concepts of "Nation-state", "Business", and "Community" are either radically altered or rendered moot.
As to whether this new energy source would be centralized or decentralized (or somehow both) remains for another discussion.
How exactly would it be free?
Lets say someone discovered perpetual motion, or some form of cold fusion or better energy source.
Someone has to get 'paid' to build the machines to harness and collect that. Thus nothing can be free.
There there is the infrastructure to get it delivered, assuming it is still delivered from power plants by wires to home.
Even if Tesla towers are built everywhere, someone has to build them.
If everyone has their own mini power plant in their home, someone has to build it.
Of course it depends on what types of resources are needed to produce, and/or capture the free energy. Whatever those are, be it metal, wood or whatever... will still be in high demand.
Lets just say though that energy magically appears and no one has to make anything cause some mysterious force provides it all for us. I can't really see how it would change how people interact, as most people don't talk about energy, fuel or things like that.
EXCELLENT points, Aerissa_Jade.
The connection that I was making between cost free energy and people interacting is exemplified by some of the following:
1. Once either an infrastructure was built, or the capacity to build such (theoretical ) devices was possessed by a multitude of people, much of the time wasted in work could be used for social interaction and more human endeavors.
2. Once a worldwide system of transport was devised, people could travel anywhere on the globe to meet others.
3. When the presence of extremely low cost everything was commonplace, Classes might well disappear. As an example, the man or women who thought they were "too good" to date someone else, would no longer have any basis for this attitude.
and so on and so forth.
Maybe it would bring people closer, but I think it is unlikely. As people like to hang out with others of the same thoughts, and ideology. Differences beyond that, can lead to conflict and disagreements. Something as simple as type of government and how much it should be involved and what it does for example.
Even if everyone had a in home replicator, using the newfound unlimited energy source to create whatever they wanted, they likely would still have issues with others who disagreed with them on anything ranging from politics, religion and whatever else there is a disagreements on.
Some might even say, that life is too easy and has made a bunch of lazy snowflakes and be opposed to free energy or free stuff.
Hi again, Aerissa_Jade. May I ask a personal question?
Is the picture on your profile actually you?
Yes for awhile ago.
I just wondered...
People will always find a way to slap a price tag on something. “Free” source is solar, wind.. oil.. but you still have to harness/collect and store that energy.
Hi Dusty, actually it is easy to build cheap solar panels, they aren't terribly efficient, but enough of them together gets the job done.
Yes. You can buy very cheap options if needed. True.
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Free energy sources have already been discovered, and some of those people ended up dead for it, that's why we're still using oil and paying for electricity.
A guy in the early 90s created the first water-powered car and was literally killed by poisoning on the day he was going to patent it. A European dude in the 80s (from the Balkans I think) came up with a system of garbage being turned into fuel. He turned up dead too. An Indian guy in the mid-200s - and I remember him on 60 Minutes - invented something called a "bloom box" that could power individual homes. A little bit later you stopped hearing about it entirely. Look it all up.
Free energy would change the world in some majorly positive ways. Poverty would most likely be non-existent. Pollution would be low. Weather phenomena like 100 degree summers in Europe and tides taking over island countries wouldn't be happening. And our overall health would be less affected by burned fuels in the air. But the people at the top keep it this way to capitalize on money. And who controls money? They do.
Lay off the meth pipe and think for yourself, before spouting the silliest conspiracy theories. „Water powered car“, suuure. 🙄
Your "Bloom Box" is the work of KR Sridar of Bloom Energy limited. This is a bit of what the website "Businesswire. com" had to say:
Dec 20, 2021 · Bloom Energy (India) Private Limited, a wholly owned subsidiary of Bloom Energy, was selected for its holistic, comprehensive and efficient.
Their/his Hydrogen microgrid system is ACTUALLY being used!
The reason we stop hearing about things like this is the fact so many people have such short attention spans. It's still happening, it's just that no one cares.
@ManOnFire: what are the names of the first two inventors that you mention? (Water-powered car and "Balkan dude")?
@DryGermanGuy : The conspiracy theory is likely BS as so many are.
But... the "water-powered" car is not bunk.
Water-based engines are not only "do-able" , they have been done.
They are, in fact microwave stimulated flash steam engines.
If you are curious, the same effect can be seen by super heating a cup of water in a Microwave oven, then dropping an object like a spoon into the water... long story short, the water "explodes" into steam, often severely burning the poor sap who just dropped the spoon into his coffee cup.
@HighlyQuestionable
There have always been great ideas, not-so-great ideas and downright silly ideas. It’s pretty obvious that a contraption using electrical power to create steam from water and then movement from steam must have a terrible energy efficiency.
@DryGermanGuy , actually the models that I have seen are not terribly inefficient.
But they don't approach "unity"
@HighlyQuestionable Stanley Meyer did the water powered car. And the other guy wasn't Balkan, he was Italian, my mistake. Andrea Rossi invented a system that could turn waste into petroleum but he was later locked up for "tax fraud."
Yes, you're right about KR Sridar, I had no idea he was still going. In the U. S. we stop talking about people or things if it isn't cool to us, which is stupid.
Re: Stanley Meyer
Quote:
„ If the device worked as specified, it would violate both the first and second laws of thermodynamics, allowing operation as a perpetual motion machine.“
[…]
„To date, no peer reviewed studies of Meyer's devices have been published in the scientific literature. An article in journal Nature described Meyer's claims as one more "water as fuel" myth.“
[…]
„The court found Meyer had committed "gross and egregious fraud" and ordered him to repay the two investors their $25,000.“
[…]
„Meyer's patents have expired. His inventions are now in the public domain, available for all to use without restriction or royalty payment. No engine or vehicle manufacturer has incorporated Meyer's work.“
en.wikipedia.org/.../Stanley_Meyer's_water_fuel_cell
@DryGermanGuy I had heard of Meyer, and thought he might be the one referenced by the other poster.
I don’t remember hearing of him specifically, but the water car scam is nearly as old as the midget-in-a-box chess machine. 🙄
@HighlyQuestionable His water car could've been a scam, but I kind of doubt it. You gotta think about all the people who came up with something - or even knew some kind of truth - and were then discredited as someone bad or mentally nuts. Sometimes they were, but it's a little too common to blacklist people like that. If he really did create a car powered by water, I can very easily see how some 'people' would want to prevent that if it meant keeping the oil and electricity fortunes in their power.
I am not a believer in aliens, but Milton William Cooper was another one who was killed. He was a "conspiracy theorist" and talked a lot about what the 'powers that be' were plotting. He always said he would never go down without a fight. Cops tried to arrest him for "aggravated assault" in 2001, and they killed him when Cooper supposedly shot at them.
Don't know if you know about admiral Richard Byrd and his comrade in the 1950s who supposedly flew over Antarctica and went into inner earth and met a whole civilization. Byrd wrote an extensive diary on the experience but was threatened not to talk about it. His comrade even supposedly committed suicide by throwing himself out of his mansion window. Byrd took that as a message that he would be next if he kept talking. An enormous amount of the pages of his diary were also mysteriously torn out, and his relatives had the remnants.
There are others but I don't want to get too long here. But my point is, not EVERY person is wrong or a fraud just because something was 'found out' about them. People who knew something or were on the verge of creating something amazing don't just end up dead, in poverty, or framed as insane, fraudulent, or "evading taxes," for no reason.
Free as if "put coin in and it spins infinitely"? Not possible according to the laws of physics.
Free as "like nuclear fusion but stronger, safer, and easily accessible"? We would either kill eachother for the resource nods or we would expand into the universe (if it were usable as propellant).
@Be3Bee
What I am think of is FAR beyond either of your options.
But for the sake of argument would more resemble option #2.
What are resource "Nods"?
I would much prefer the "expand into the universe" option.
*thinking of*
@Be3Bee: Yeah, the use of "rockets" for space exploration is really pathetic, especially at this point. I can't help associating itw/ the US's "4th of July".
*it with*
It wouldn't. It'd actually be how will governments, corrupt politicians, and big corporations find a way to monopolize the resource to make money. Take water for example. It's not a free resource even though every single living thing requires it to survive. If air were visible and containable we'd be living in that Justin Timberlake movie where life is a currency.
I don't think it would. We've had the tech for some of that for DECADES but, we're still not using it and the government is suppressing it as much as possible!!
What would free energy have to do with males and females or how society reacts to one another?
I added something @FunkyMonkee earlier that might address this, but let me pontifi... errr comment on that specifically.
"What would free energy have to do..."
Have you ever had a date with someone on another continent... and been back in your own bed that night to sleep?
Just step on a globe-girdling maglev train or travel directly "Through the Earth" .
The elimination of the need to concern ourselves with energy limitations.
The eventual elimination of all socioeconomic classes.
Imagine no classes, nothing to divide people. Once people are free to interact w/o societal prejudices and economic needs getting in the way, so many who were meant to meet, but couldn't.
@FunkyMonkee:
What evidence do you have that the "government" has ever suppressed anything technological? I mean real evidence, not rumors or conspiracy theories. Nothing is suppressed except by Capitalism, Laziness, Stupidity, and the simple unwillingness to get off one's a*s and try to make it happen.
with this exception:
Superstition, Bigotry, Poverty and the discrimination that exists around it, on the other could very well suppress our greatest inventors (while they are but children).
"Have you ever had a date with someone on another continent... and been back in your own bed that night to sleep?"
Never. I can't even get dates in my own town!
"Just step on a globe-girdling maglev train or travel directly "Through the Earth" .
The elimination of the need to concern ourselves with energy limitations."
That'd be nice and that's exactly one of the things I was talking about. I'm pretty sure they're already using that underground, secretly.
"The eventual elimination of all socioeconomic classes."
No idea what you mean.
"Imagine no classes, nothing to divide people. Once people are free to interact w/o societal prejudices and economic needs getting in the way, so many who were meant to meet, but couldn't."
Yeah, that'd be nice but, it'd probably still take decades or centuries for all the "warring" factors, and what have you, to mellow their asses out so we CAN live as one world in peace!! Even to this day in India, the lighter skinned Induahs run around calling the darker skinned Induahs, "niggers" and make fun of them for having darker skin, like they're lower class citizens!! My ex-fiance was from India and she told me about how her own family used to make fun of her for being darker than them! Telling her that she'll never get a husband because she's so dark!! In the meantime, she had one and almost wound up with 2 others!
Where did you get the idea we have mag-lev?
We have had model maglev for like nearly a century and a half. It's been public for decades and Japan's Chuo Shinkansen train is maglev, and it is nearly complete.
Okay but, I'm talking about the kind where, by the `60's, we should've been tooling around like George Jetson!
Then, there's the guys that invented cars that run on water! That was back in the late `90's, I think! why don't we have that, already? They don't want us using gas and they're so supposedly worried about the global warming bullshit, but they won't put that tech to good use!! Why? Hmmm, could it POSSIBLY be because oil companies and the rich politicians and elites that have stock in them don't WANT US off oil?
Yes, @Funky, you do, unfortunately have a point here., and you have potentially educated me on a problem that I didn't know existed:
I didn't realize there was that kind of discrimination on the Indian subcontinent.
Your wife's family sounds like a real joy :( . But she showed them, and good on her.
I can't believe that her own family made fun of her for her dark complexion.
by the way, Sooooo envious of any man who can attract a South Asian Girl/Woman.
Any pointers?
Sorry, not wife, but instead ex-fiance. Senior moment. Sorry
No problem about the senior moment!
As for getting her, no trick at all, really, I just had to be in the right place at the right time... twice! And, being my kind, charming self helped.
My guitarist's girlfriend kept asking me to sit in on drums with some friends of her from New Orleans that don't have a drummer, they just pick one up wherever they go. I kept telling her, :"No." but, she kept at it and I eventually broke down! After we finished our set, I sat in the back of the room because I didn't like the headlining band. Then, the place filed up and there she was stood directly in front of me! Long black hair almost to her ass!! Possibly longer than mine!! She turned around to see if where she was standing was blocking anybody else. Just little ol' me! And I wasn't watching the show, I was just waiting for my ride to take me & my drums back to my singer's place! She smiled and her huge white teeth glowed even brighter against her dark skin and under the blacklights! She apologized for blocking my view, I shrugged it off and told her that I'm not watching them, anyway. Later, she said that's what attracted her to me! Eventually she and her lezzie girlfriend (a Polish psychologist that was trying to get into her pants!) sat at the table with me and talked with me until it was time for me to go... about an hour or 2 later. (She was also trying to keep her lezzie friend at bay!) When I was leaving, I waved goodbye to her just before I got into the van. We both figured we'd never see each other again!
(End of part 1. Advance to part 2, already in progress, for the thrilling conclusion.)
(Part 2, now beginning here. Climb aboard the moving yellow rubber line and watch your step.)
A week or two later (pretty close to this time of year), I went into town (maybe 25 miles away from where we met) to hand in a job application at a drug store! There's a crowd of people standing outside the doors waiting for buses. I went to open the door and some woman said, "hi" to me and "It's you!", and mentioned something about us seeing each other a couple weeks before! I had no idea who this was! But, it sounded like this really pretty girl wanted to talk to me so, I rushed into the store, handed in my app and left in hopes she'd still be there! She was! We started talking and she reminded me of where we met before! We talked for about 2 hours as she let several buses go by and, eventually, the subject of music (my long suit) came up and we talked for over an hour about that. She wanted to take notes of the stuff I was suggesting she listen to so, she invited me to her place for dinner where we could talk records!! (I only had about 30,000, back then.) She ordered a pizza and took notes of my suggestions voraciously!! After another couple nights of this over the next few weeks, she was hooked!! We were an item!!
Sir, I confess, I do envy you.
New Orleans, always wanted to visit that city, but alas...
Cities (Cites) built by the French/Francophone cultures... so superior to the midwestern *that I am stuck in. Liberalism as the norm.
Here, I can't so much as find someone to date, everyone is married at like 19-21 and all think about is "Family" (having children).
Thank you for regaling us with that wonderful anecdote.
Thank you but, I've never been there. The closest I ever came was Clearwater, Fla. in `77. That band (Enoch Light Presents) was from there and they were playing a gig here.
I don't know anything about how the mid-west is, I've never been farther west than Chicago and that was only for an hour or 3 back in `69. However, I DON'T envy you your location!
Yeah, same here! I've only had 3 girlfriend's and all 3 were married at the time!
No problem! I hope you liked it.
You would have to tell everyone how to get it quickly. If your the only ones with the knowledge someone would kill you. A lot of greedy powerful people out there making a lot of money off energy, they burnt down Nicola Tesla's lab for similar reasons.
There is no proof that Nikola Tesla's Lab was "burnt down" . Fires are VERY common with High Frequency Electricity. I have built a couple of Tesla coils in my day and between the tendencies of disruptive discharge to create heat and the tendency in Tesla's day to use wood for construction. It was likely an accident. These kinds of fires were described by Tesla himself (I believe it was in his "Colorado Springs" notes).
... on the other hand, if it was burned down, it was probably a business rival.
@HighlyQuestionable A business rival is what I basically said, how many trillion dollars a year is spent buying energy each year? How much cheaper would it be just to make someone disappear?
it would put the global elites and most big bankers and business corporations out of business for sure. which is hell for them and heaven for and I doubt they would ever let that happen
Nothing that is free would remain free in a capitalism society. Government will build laws to tax it and restrict it to a special group as always.
Really @Adam1978... If you install a Windmill w/dynamo , Solar panels, a geothermal power unit or a powerful battery bank... the evil government jackboots are going to come and ask you to pay a tax on it? try again, they offer TAX CREDITS on these kinds of installations in some places. The only restrictions that I have ever seen on technology are on weapons systems, electronic communications (FCC, now there is a potential problem) and sometimes transportation.
Please cite tax on animals a farmer's family CONSUMES.
The sales tax on those animals that are part of the farmer's business, these I am familiar with, but not on those consumed by the farmer or his family.
Well we probably don't live in the same country so the laws will differ. Yes the animals will belong to the farm as a company and the farmer needs to buy them from it. Which is basically buying from himself since most farms in sweden is run by one person and his family. Few employ people. It's most work is done by machines. Energy tax is something that everyone that produces electricity have to pay and how much depends on how it's generated.
It's called the sun and oil and gas would like you to forget it exists.
Or geothermal energy! Steam created by the heat inside the earth, the same heat which keeps lava hot. There are already a few powerplants in the world built over vents in the earth where this heat comes to the surface. Here is electricity created absolutely without any air pollution, greenhouse gasses, or consumption of fossil fuels!
@Keyboardkat
Excellent Idea.
You’ll never see that happen. Any discoveries of such a thing would be suppressed and the scientists disappeared. None of the ruling elites want free energy. They don’t want “free” anything. Why give away what they can charge people for?
A bit too conspiracy theory @Agaga. I know for a near certainty that this scenario is not quite realistic. Many advances in energy are easily accessed, it is not a "Ruling Elite" that prevents the advancement of energy. It's plain ol' fashioned greed, as much that of the inventors as that of the moneyed interests.
As far as I have been able to determine, the only scenarios in which scientists "get disappeared" is Top secret projects (both government sponsored and private) and cases of nat'l security (weapons systems).
Your post also assumes that the group/individual behind our theoretical new energy source isn't slightly scarier than your "ruling elites".
How would a free energy source affect how the sexes interact with each other.
Hi@ Douride2, see above for a commentary that might address your statement.
It will never happen. Capitalism rules the globe. Nothing of value remains free for long.
The big oil companies and the global warming scam artists would work together to make sure it never sees the light of day.
Except for the bureaucracy and logistics, Nuclear is. Yes, it can.
Tesla already discovered it, he wanted to tap into the ionosphere, they have cable that runs across the ocean floor so one coming from space might be possible?
@LeftHappy, Please give citations on this information.
Depends heavily on whether it would require centralized generation (like nuclear fusion) or was highly portable.
The issue isn't the source so much as it is the means to use and distribute it.
Please elaborate on your opinion.
Let me suggest a refutation of this opinion and similar others:
"In addition to (or instead of) a centralized grid network supplying free or low-cost electrical power worldwide along inexpensive lines, each neighborhood or even every home has a generator working on a theoretical principle of "Free Energy".
In this scenario the means to distribute becomes far less relevant.
... and the means to use it are everywhere, from toasters to lampposts. ( I don't know how the means to use it would pose any challenge).
I don’t think it would bother the different genders but business owners of energy would be mad since they would lose money on their power products
Thank you for your opinion, Anonymous.
What I was "getting at" with the 2nd part was the idea of cost-free energy's impact on how people live, socialize and live their lives.
Would the advent of Free Energy redefine social roles?
No more class distinctions (except possibly looks, etc.). No more oppression of Women, Children, Elderly, Disabled, Neurodiverse, LGBTQ+.
The eventuality of Dating sites and Social Media that exist outside the control of moneyed interests.
The potential eventuality of Free Travel. Imagine everyone's "Dating Pool" being essentially Worldwide.
Imagine the possibilities...
Even if travel was free it still takes time to get places, I don’t think free energy would change people in that way, people are still people and never really change because of our animal instincts
I would like to read more elaboration on that opinion, Opinion Owner.
I don't fully understand "our animal instincts" and how this relates to travel or the expansion of our sphere of socialization.
Perhaps.
But, sellers of "whale oil" experienced the same upheaval.
.. and no one is particularly concerned about them these days.
I would love to see more discussion on the social aspects of the question, not just the technical ones.
I've noticed that no comments from Girls and Women have popped up here yet.
Women are scarce on here especially on topics like this, you will always have more men answering questions here than women even though there is about the same amount of members in both genders. As far as the other question, it seems people never really change just technology
They just seem to worry more about people disagreeing with them and starting with them so they don’t answer as much as guys do plus it depends on the topic too
They don’t like confrontation
It's gonna cause some more wars.
The government would kill it.
@Googlemy...
How do you think the "government" would "kill" it. Under what statutes, laws, etc. Lets be honest here the government couldn't protect itself from a bunch of looneys led by the "qAnon Shaman".
Fossil fuel industry
Gas car industry
All the business that rely on those
They’d have to implement some kind of universal basic income
In Canada the government bailed out GM & Chrysler for 13.7 billion Had they given the money to residents it would’ve been like 20k per ontario resident. They should’ve let the companies fail and successful ones would take their place. Its just the cost of those companies failing would be too much.
It wouldn't be free for long.
Ha the feminists don’t wanna share
Go figures
That is full of references and so wrong.
Nothing is free
You bring up an important point that I wanted to "touch" on. I put "Free" in quotations so that I could elaborate in the future.
The idea that I was attempting to express is this: Electrical Energy produced without cost (or at a cost so low as to be negligible and distributed to everyone on this planet who wanted it. How would this scenario affect Human Society as a whole, and how would it affect the ways people interact with one another.
Especially significant would be the way gender interaction and gender politics would be changed.
typo* the period after "wanted it" should be a parenthese.
I disagree.
Many things are truly "Free" in that they incur no significant or immediate material cost to the user.
For examples:
The copying of a file of data.
Running water piped from a spring.
Windmills... and the generation of power therefrom.
I welcome any attempts at elaboration or refutation.
@d3n0939 I do not understand your comment, please clarify.
@d3n0939 Who said anything about an entrepreneur?
Let me define free in an energy context. You cannot just generate power from nothing. In the instance of wind your converting kinetic energy into electricity. In the case nuclear or coal your converting thermal energy into electricity. Every time You convert energy you waste some energy in the process, usually as heat.
Tesla tried that.
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