Wait…I thought RussiaGate was a Hoax? Is it?

[OddBeMe]

it is a hoax

Its not a hoax

[NaultD]

https://www.youtube.com/embed/3kxG8uJUsWU

Here's don asking for foreign assistance weeks before the election. Then a silver plater Russia hackers got them. People around donald got paid off by Russia.

There was no evidence of don him self secretly wanting Russia aid that's why people around him got fucked. Regardless Russia spent a fuck ton of money wanting don to win for Russian advances.

Seeing how hindsight gives us an advantage point. it's very clear Russia bet on don to dismantle NATO in preparation for Ukrainian invasion. That is ultimately becoming Russia downfall.

[OddBeMe]

This

[NaultD]

Then you have indirect evidence.

deutsche bank is famous for being the Russian mafia money laundering bank.

After don went through like 6 bankruptcies, no banks wanted to deal the don. But one, deutsche bank.

First concern i have is How do you bankrupt a casino? Then wonder why a Russian money laundromat wants to do business?

[RolandCuthbert]

It was never a hoax.

Robert Mueller said he could not create a criminal case against the President. But he cited Obstruction of Justice as one of the reasons why.

That's why he said;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRYiPzDP94I

But trumpturds keep lying making the claim that Mueller found Trump innocent.

He surely did not. And as stated several times Trump was guilty of a crime. He just did not believe you could charge a sitting President. He left that up to Congress.

[nightdrot]

You do understand that "Russia-gate" was the act by members of the Clinton campaign to take knowingly take Russian disinformation, in the form of the infamous dossier, and give it to the FBI, right? Further, the FBI was aware that it was disinformation and yet proceeded to take it before a court and swear - under oath - that it was real.

Forgive me, I am no fan of former President Trump, but this was, if anything, a case of "collusion" - a popular word these days - by the Clinton campaign with Russia's disinformation and propaganda efforts. This made worse by the fact that the FBI knowingly misled a Federal court and yet there has been NO accountability for these highly illegal actions.

As to the headline in this question, Russia has been engaged in propaganda efforts in Western election campaigns since as early as the 1920s under the old Soviet regime.

This "find" by US intelligence is about as new as the old headline "Dewey defeats Truman." Further, speaking of a "beside the point" culture, it is a mystery as to why their dislike for Mr. Trump is such that they are not alarmed that a US intelligence operation, knowingly and with malice aforethought, acted as the lackey for Russian intelligence and has not been held to account for deceiving a US court of law.

The FBI made itself the equivalent of an American KGB for one of the nation's two political parties and has not been held to account. Though the work of the Durham investigation is ongoing.

Beware. Those rabid partisans who are looking for confirmation of their preferences should take care. The tool that they sought to wield today could be easily - unless checked and reformed - be used against them tomorrow.

[OddBeMe]

Did Trump’s people receive anything from Russia?

[Avicenna]

Did you read nightdrot's excellent explanation? Obviously not.

[nightdrot]

Nope. The absence of evidence is not evidence and the case has by and large collapsed. That is why the focus shifted to January 6. Here too, though, not much has come of it thus far and the hearings have proved to be a damp squib.

Believe me, I am no fan of Mr. Trump - though I am a Republican. However, Mr. Trump's opponents would be far wiser to spend their energies refuting his arguments and less time trying to make him into a bogey man. Because by failing to demonstrate that he is a criminal, they make him appear more the victim of the "establishment" and THAT appeals to his populist base.

The effort to define Mr. Trump as a criminal is, to say no more, a self-defeating strategy.

[OddBeMe]

So the trump tower meeting wasn't about trading hacked emails for Trump dropping the Magnitsky Act…? Weird, I must live in a separate multiverse. I should talk to my Strange Cape.

[nightdrot]

Yes, apparently you are. Please note, no charges have been brought in that matter against anyone in the Trump team on that question. Zero. In fact, to date, the only pending indictment is against a Clinton campaign staffer.

By the way, given that the whole point of the dossier was to discredit Trump, could you kindly explain how he benefited from that?

[OddBeMe]

You know very well politicians dont get charged like the rest of us. Or Matt Gaetz would be in jail by now.

[OddBeMe]

Oh and how many trump guys went to prison? 18.
www.thedailybeast.com/all-of-the-trumpworld-figures-whove-been-arrested-indicted-or-jailed

[nightdrot]

On the first point, not even charges have been brought. Sorry there, but the "Russia-gate" scandal, such as it was, has turned out to be a bigger problem for the Democrats - and the FBI - than for Mr. Trump. The fact that bothers you less than Mr. Trump agitates you should give you some inkling of the degree to which your biases have become the father to your thoughts.

As I say, I am no fan of Mr. Trump, but the facts are what they are.

As to the second point, we were talking about "Russia-gate," and if the issue is politicians not going to jail, than this link is irrelevant. Though I would love to see the stats for previous administrations, not least the Clinton administration whose personnel were not known for their ethical purity.

[OddBeMe]

Problem for Dems? Checking. No Dems in prison over this.
18 Repubs linked to Trump in jail. And probably more coming….

[nightdrot]

Really? You may want to check that data again. Do recall, for example, Bert Lance. Maybe this bit of history might interest you:

https://www.gargaro.com/clintonconvicts.html

Bottom line, in politics you will get the good and the bad in any administration. The focus of the question was "Russia-gate" and, as noted, so far, the only individuals facing indictment under that case are Democrats. (Check out the Durham probe.) Go figure.

[OddBeMe]

See night…. i guess I meant this century, talking about Dems investigating Trumpians. You said it hasn't been going well for them. Ehh, I’d disagree.

[nightdrot]

Sorry, I don't follow. Could you clarify your writing?

Beyond that, could you explain why a change in the calendar makes the least bit of difference? Does corruption not become corrupt if it happens before January 1?

Historically, the administration of President Grant is considered one of the most corrupt in American history. Is that judgment invalid because he served in the 1800s? What about Harding in the 1920s?

This is what the philosophers call reductio ad absurdum.

[nightdrot]

P. S. Just to remind you, your question was about "Russia-gate." To date, there has been NO charges brought against ANY Trump administration official in that matter. Only Clinton campaign staffers who are now being investigated. (The FBI looks like it will get away scott free, lying to a court notwithstanding. If you, I imagine as a good liberal (as Americans understand that word) are fearful of the tyrannical police state, you might want to think about that.)

Does that mean there was no corruption under Mr. Trump? Nope. Given human nature, you will likely find corruption in any administration. See again Bert Lance under Jimmy Carter, the latter perhaps one of the most morally decent men - whatever my misgivings about his miserable presidency - to hold the office.

Such is life in an imperfect world of imperfect beings.

[OddBeMe]

Wait…nope.

“eight counts of financial-related crimes for using foreign accounts to hide the millions he earned from political consulting work for former Ukraine President Viktor Yanukovych”

Sorry you were saying?

[OddBeMe]

Oh and…

“plea agreement with the government by repeatedly lying to Mueller’s investigators about his Russian contacts before and after the 2016 election…”

I love reading!

[nightdrot]

What did this have to do with "Russia-gate." Yes, you might wish to read carefully. Go back and look at what I wrote.

"Russia-gate" was about the dossier and Mr. Trump. Where, pray tell, is Mr. Trump mentioned as charged in anything you listed?

Yes, indeed, try reading - or at least be more exact in the wording of your questions.

[nightdrot]

Just to clarify, the cases you cited were issues that came up while pursuing the "Russia-gate" investigation. They were incidental to it, not part of it.

[OddBeMe]

You have so e strange definition of russiagate. I just meant it as a meme for “trump” and “russia”.

But thats been our problem before when chatting. You get attached to certain oblique definitions and become intractable.

[OddBeMe]

But I guess I hope you see how there were many convictions based on the mueller probe and other “trump” and “russia” investigations.

[nightdrot]

The question - if question it can be called - was "Wait... I thought RussiaGate was a hoax?" The allegation being that the Trump campaign colluded with the Russian government. To this day there has been ZERO evidence - let alone convictions - of such collusion.

Indeed, all that was discovered was that the Clinton campaign compiled the dossier that was supposed to prove such collusion, knew that it was false, and then - using a Russian agent - circled it back to the FBI. The FBI knew that it was false, but proceeded to tell the FISA court that it was legitimate nonetheless.

Thus the ONLY hoax was the one perpetrated by the Clinton campaign and with which the FBI colluded.

By your logic, Mr. Biden stated that he NEVER talked with his son about his son's business. Then there came rumors that, in fact, Biden's son, Hunter, had a laptop with data refuting President Biden's claim. The FBI called the reports of the laptop "Russian disinformation" until such time as the owner of the store that had been holding Hunter's laptop produced it. The data on that laptop showing, pretty much, that Mr. Biden was frequently in business meetings with his son - even in the WH (this during Biden's tenure as VP) - and that they worked together. Among Hunter Biden's clients were Russian, Chinese and Ukrainian interests.

So, was that a hoax. On one we have no corroborating evidence to date, the only evidence of a crime being proved to have been a forgery. The other we have corroborating evidence that has been verified.

So which is the "hoax"?

Frankly, I care for neither Mr. Trump nor Mr. Biden. Both are populist agitators and unserious governors. However, evidence counts. So you tell me.

[OddBeMe]

“Zero evidence Trump campaign colluded with russia?” You say.

I feel like my last several posts are being completely ignored. The guy who plea bargained for lying to the FBI about being Russian agent was TRUMP’S CAMPAIGN MANAGER.

[nightdrot]

What did Trump get from the Russians? Particularly given that the dossier was anti-Trump?

Again, what laws were violated? Trump's campaign manager lied to the FBI. That was a clear violation.

To date, there is NO evidence that Trump's campaign colluded with the Russians and the speculation is that his campaign manager (Paul Manafort) chose to lie because he did not know about the truth or falsehood of the dossier and therefore chose to cover for his boss. Put simply, at the time, he did not know about the origins of the dossier and so lied. His lie did NOT prove that Trump had benefited from, or colluded with the Russians.

Oh, and by the way, here is what the FBI knew at the time and did not bother to reveal before going to Manafort. nypost.com/.../

Lots of moving parts here, but again, to this day, there is nothing to suggest active coordination between the Russians and the Trump campaign. Certainly if there were, at the very least, given that they went after Manafort, the FBI certainly would have brought charges against Trump if they could have.

That all said, what do you believe Trump got from the Russians that was in violation of the campaign laws? Be specific.

[OddBeMe]

And the others on the list of the convicted?

I dont know what Trump got for giving the Russians US voting info and promises to get rid of the Maginsky Act. Perhaps facebook bots pushing Q Anon theories, DNC emails, or…since Trump hasn't made public his tax info, loans.

[OddBeMe]

So to wrap up:

1) Russia paid for pro Trump facebook bots
2) hacked the DNC
3) and employed most of Trump’s inner circle

And you think “Russia-Gate” isn't real? Seriously? No evidence?

[nightdrot]

Russia also put out anti-Trump propaganda. See also the dossier as Exhibit A.

To repeat, Russia has been meddling in American elections since the 1920s. Further there is no evidence that the Trump campaign actively cooperated in the Russian efforts. This, by the way, in contrast to the Clinton campaign utilizing the Russian dossier.

Sorry. There are many very good reasons to disagree with - and even dislike - Mr. Trump. His is a bombastic and disruptive populism. (Not unlike Mr. Biden's peevish variety of same.)

However, Russia-gate is not one of those reasons. Rather, "Russia-gate" is just another case of the nonsensical conspiracy theories that are plaguing American political culture at the moment. This rendering reasoned and civil debate problematic at best, impossible at worst.

[OddBeMe]

Wait…what did Russia put out that was anti-Trump? The dossier sent the ex spy into hiding from the kgb. So thats bullshit.

[OddBeMe]

I do respect most of your comments. But you're bending over and taking for a corrupt af reality show host. Dont know why you keep the blinders on.

18 fcking Trump cronies in jail. Gotta be as bad as Bill Clinton. Yet you were quick to bring him up. Check your confirmation bias, my friend.

Hows the family?

[nightdrot]

The family is fine, thanks - and hope you and yours are as well.

As to your former point about the ex-KGB agent, having worked on Capitol Hill on Russian policy, I can assure you that there are competing factions within Russia. It is not clear why he went into hiding from the KGB, but it is possible that it was for reasons only tangentially related to this question.

The truth is that you don't know and we don't know and your interpretation of those events is more speculative than in any real basis of the facts as we know them. The bottom line, however, is that the dossier was NOT favorable to Mr. Trump and it is problematic - at best - to argue that he was in collusion with the Russians.

At bare minimum, innocent until proven guilty. Not to mention the fact that the FBI has been quietly walking away from this and shifting its' focus to other things.

Having said that, it IS possible that the "raid" on Mara Lago was related to this issue. However, so far, that is pure speculation with zero evidence to sustain the assumption.

Finally, believe me, I have no love of Mr. Trump, but while his opponents have been chasing ghosts, his populism has taken root. (See also Mr. Biden's aping of same.)

Mr. Trump's opponents would be wiser, as I say, to focus on the flaws of his arguments instead of engaging in the intellectually lazy process of attacking him in lieu of the more demanding task of making a policy and philosophical case against him. Because, trust me, that latter approach will not only succeed in making him a martyr to those who support him.

[OddBeMe]

Os the ex kgb agent?

[nightdrot]

Sorry, I don't understand. Os?

[OddBeMe]

Sorry, who was the ex kgb agent you mentioned?

[nightdrot]

Sorry, pal. My mistake, that was a type-o on my part. I was referring to the "ex-spy" you had mentioned. The name escapes me.

Sorry about that.

Hope you are well.

[OddBeMe]

I’m good! Business is coming back and I’m trolling on gag when bored. Always glad when you comment. Even if its a row. :)

[OddBeMe]

Its the fact that he could be thats the problem. Just like Nixon…

[nightdrot]

Well, there is the legal question then there is the political question. Mr. Biden has clearly lied about his son and his dealings. (Heck, we have it on Hunter Biden's own laptop - and that was something that the FBI tried very hard to hide.)

So, on the basis of the evidence we have to hand - which is more solid than anything we have with Mr. Trump - should we begin to treat President Biden as a criminal, or should we allow the investigations to proceed and deal with the policies that Mr. Biden is implementing?

Sauce for the goose and all that.

[D_Bone_Steak]

I said it's a hoax on the vote, but it sort of isn't... I could've voted the other way but not because I have TDS like I'd suspect most of those people to have. It's really been Biden the entire time... Hunter in Ukraine and him on camera bragging about his manipulations (Biden)... yeah. Trump got pulled into it all just because he asked about it. That's pretty much what Trump did. Look into it and don't follow the propaganda from the likes of cable televison. All of this shit is just to protect the Democratic party and their bullshit. And we have enough retards that just eat up the television propaganda and guess who got voted in and is now using the FBI and everything he can to cover his ass. Now we're looking at becoming a communist nation if this bullshit keeps going.

[Sandeeppingping]

300M$ over over 24 countries? That's my neighbors money bruv wtf😂😂😂😂😂😂, look elsewhere, people are crazy to think Russia would help Trump, if anything it'd help the democrats because somehow someway everyone besides the west knows that those leftist ideas are putting them in decline mode, as I said, look elsewhere, look at Russia's and China's grip on Africa, South America and soon enough Asia, while you people are debating which gender to use, literally while France is taking in more people that abhor France, they leave Mali the very second they leave Mali Russia took their place, and we still wanna talk about all the bs lefties come up with, try to win first your country is competing with everyone else it's not a charity

[Anonymous]

Ok, lets do some numbers then.

300,000,000 / minimum 25 countries is 12,000,000 / (2022 - 2014 = 8) = $1,500,000

Which sounds like fuck all to me, presumably that is why all the numbers were bundled together like that because if you dont engage your brain you will just see 'Oh, that's a big number and that also seems like a big number, that must = extra badness.'

But of course the reality is that this is meaningless chump change and if you are so fucking clueless and naive that you think that countries and their secret services aren't constantly fucking around with all manner of shit constantly then you should probably stop posting on the internet.

Shh! It's a secret!

[WindAtMyBack]

Lol

Countries have been doing that since the beginning of time. Russia / Soviet Union have especially been involved in American politics as well. I used to have some of their training manuals for doing it.

Saying Russia spends money on global political campaigns is like saying it rains in a rain forest.

[OddBeMe]

Sorry I couldnt understand you. Take Putin’s cock out your mouth first.

[WindAtMyBack]

Apparently you don't know anything about reality. Apparently you've never opened a history book or heard anything about the modern world. Keep living in your fantasy world.

[Slingblade1126]

Didn't you know that meddling in other countries elections only started during the Trump administration? Lmao!!

[Guy__]

And who's puppet is trump? Putin's! Lol

[WindAtMyBack]

@slingblade1126
I assume that's sarcasm. That was the presidency of Trump. Any time he did exactly the same thing other president did it was suddenly horrible, when not a word was said about the other presidents.

It started with the "Muslim ban". Trump literally used the exact same list of countries that Obama used. Why wasn't it called a Muslim ban when Obama did it?

Then there was the wall. Four Democrat administrations and three Republican administrations built hundreds of miles of that wall. Suddenly when Trump wanted to continue with the same wall, it was racist.

Then there were tariffs. That's hard core Democrat policy. It's how he got so many Democrat votes. But when Trump did it, suddenly he was a monster who wanted to start a trade war.

It went on and on throughout his presidency. It shows just how extremely biased the media is.

[WindAtMyBack]

@Guy__
Trump is Putin's puppet? If you seriously believe that you must have an IQ of 20.

[Guy__]

I said LOL

[OddBeMe]

its still going on…like I’m sure you're all rooting for Russia in Ukraine, like Trump.
www.nbcnews.com/.../trump-has-made-putin-gop-s-problem-ncna1291965

[Guy__]

https://youtu.be/qF2iYHOEQZI









And so are all of them androgynous bed buddies

Here is the reason why https://archive.ph/QrOY3

[Guy__]

https://youtu.be/2a6hMCP7GJ0

[OddBeMe]

@Guy__ i appreciate you sharing your porn, But i’m not into it…

[Guy__]

[OddBeMe]

@Guy__ youve had a stroke or just finished cumming, either way stop spamming us.

[Miristheiss]

It is.

The accusation was that Trump was in alliance with Russia. The Steele dossier was proved to be a set up by dems.

The fact that you are trying to correlate Russia's corruption with the charges specifically levied at Trump to remove him from power and to bog down his presidency shows you to be either ignorant or a liar.

[Anonymous]

Yes. Just like we spend millions influencing elections in other countries and orchestrating coups.

None of this proves any collusion, and you goddamn know it. If there were something it would have been found by now.

But I know. None of this matters and you have no life besides making Trump posts for the world to read on a Tuesday night. 🙄

[Avicenna]

It’s hilarious seeing Desperate Election Denier Odd try to resurrect the failed Russia Hoax scam.

[OddBeMe]

You get our identities mixed up a lot. I dont deny the accurate 2020 election.

[Avicenna]

Then you should support a Mueller-Style investigation of it lasting two years as well. Would be interesting to see what the results of an investigation would be. You have no way of knowing whether the 2020 election was „accurate“ from sitting in your basement. Refusing to investigate it similarly means you’re afraid of the results of a special prosecutor’s investigation.

But you are definitely an election denier when it comes to 2016, to the point you’re still bitterly clinging to the discredited Russia Hoax. Anyone who still believes the Russia Hoax is an election denier.

[OddBeMe]

Wow, so cops investigate everything? Even if there's no evidence of wrongdoing?

Cuz if you have evidence of wrongdoing in the 2020 election, please bring it forward.

[Avicenna]

Why are you so afraid of an investigation of the 2020 election? You’ve said it was the more secure election ever and most accurate. How would you know that? It seems to me you’d want it proven by an investigation by a special prosecutor if indeed it is true.

There was no evidence of wrongdoing in 2016, yet there was a two year long investigation based on fake opposition research paid for by the Clinton campaign.

[OddBeMe]

Would you allow the cops to search your house without evidence of wrongdoing? You prob don’t have any illegal shit, but it can get dangerous allowing tons of investigations of an election without cause.

Because of all the goddamn links I’ve provided of Right Wingers trying to make up conspiracies just to overturn the election

[dustybiker]

Too much light on possible reality. Heads are exploding in here. All they can do is most trash gifs as deflection.

[exitseven]

this looks like it came from the NY times. It is fake news.

[jshm2]

The US has been doing that for years, though.

[WhiteBoyChill]

Oh yea…… US intel……. Aka the corrupt crooks in the FBI

[OddBeMe]

I love it! Every things fake news until you make you point!

[WhiteBoyChill]

Tell me why the FBI never investigated or prosecuted anyone involved in the Black Lives Matter riots?

[OddBeMe]

Because local police handled that and arrested several rioters and looters. You see, the FBI is specialized for things like corrupt presidents and drunk ass Scotus members.

[WhiteBoyChill]

Ok. So why are the Capitol and DC Police incapable of doing the exact same thing?

And how many of those rioters are actually still in prison?

[OddBeMe]

Because looting federal buildings and threatening to hang the Speaker is probably federal crime. As opposed to looting Bob’s Sporting Goods.

And beleive me, I’ve felt for businesses like “Bob’s” and have gave money to charities cleaning up after those looters. Its despicable.

[jongreat46]

Haha, the majority of people don't believe in KKKonservative lies.

[Slingblade1126]

How do you define "RussiaGate"?

[joeldalton]

Don’t confuse him with big words.

[OddBeMe]

(Slaps face)

[joeldalton]

See? Now he’s hitting himself with confusion.

[OddBeMe]

I just love the only defense is…how do you define it?

[joeldalton]

Lol. Because your entire question is fucking stupid.

[Slingblade1126]

Explain yourself. You post a picture of saying how Russia is meddling in SEVERAL countries elections and ask if RussiaGate was a hoax? What RussisGate are you talking about?

[OddBeMe]

Russia meddled in America’s 2016 election. Hacking the DNC, using Facebook bots to push Q anon on us… doesn't mean Trump didn't win legit.

[joeldalton]

Oh, so Russiagate was NOT the fbi knowing that the Steele dossier was a hoax but hiding that information from the public and investigating Trump for it despite knowing the truth?

[OddBeMe]

@joeldalton no, the dossier was never taken seriously, except on msnbc. It was always marked “alleged”.

Funny though how steel had to go into hiding and trump still won't release his tax returns. But thats besides the point!

I guess Russiagate to me was russian bots on facebook pushing actual fake shit like q anon, hacking the dnc in exchange for Trump dropping the Magnitsky Act.

[OddBeMe]

Ok, I see one instance the fbi used it to get a search warrant... against CARTER PAGE who was guilty as fck.

[Slingblade1126]

Why isn't he in prison? They only had 6 fucking years to build a case! Jesus Christ! You literally went from, "the Steel dossier was never taken seriously", to, "ok, in ONE instance the FBI used it to get a warrant against Carter Page, who's guilty". NO! THEY LIED 3 TIMES! They kept renewing the warrant. They also spied on George Stopodopodous (sic). Both U. S citizens. I know you don't care about the constitution but, you know, I kinda do. Educate yourself. They didn't just get a "warrant", they got a warrant to spy.

[OddBeMe]

Do I look like a lawyer? He prob flipped on the dozens of other Trump cronies who went to jail.

[Slingblade1126]

Lmao!! How many of Trump's "cronies" went to jail for ANYTHING dealing with "conspiracing with Russia"? Quit while you're behind!

[OddBeMe]

Here’s a good list. Notice the “plea deals” for lying about being a Russian agent. Or hiding money sent from Putin’s cronies…
www.thedailybeast.com/all-of-the-trumpworld-figures-whove-been-arrested-indicted-or-jailed

[OddBeMe]

If 18 of Obama’s cronies had this kind of Russia collusion the RNC would riot. More than Jan 6…

[Slingblade1126]

Again, not one conviction of conspiring with Russia.

[OddBeMe]

Funny because…

“eight counts of financial-related crimes for using foreign accounts to hide the millions he earned from political consulting work for former Ukraine President Viktor Yanukovych”

“Plea deal for not registering as a foreign agent for russia…”

[Slingblade1126]

How many fucking times do I have to tell you? NO ONE IN THE TRUMP CIRCLE WAS CONVICTED OR EVEN CHARGED WITH CONSPIRING WITH RUSSIA!!

[Slingblade1126]

It's not even an issue, it's fucking common knowledge.

[OddBeMe]

Uhh…

Paul Manafort Campaign Chairman: 7 years prison eight counts of financial-related crimes for using foreign accounts to hide the millions he earned from political consulting work for former Ukraine President Viktor Yanukovych.

“Violated his plea agreement with the government by repeatedly lying to Mueller’s investigators about his Russian contacts before and after the 2016 election.”

Rick Gates Trump Campaign Official: “famously flipping on the president during the Mueller investigation. Admitted to concealing millions in foreign bank accounts that the pair earned from work in Ukraine.”

Lt Gen Mike Flynn: “pleading guilty to making false statements about his conversations with Russia’s ambassador to the United States weeks before the inauguration.“

Roger Stone: “ convicted and sentenced to 40 months in prison on several charges—the last to be filed before Mueller’s probe ended… campaign’s “access point” to WikiLeaks.”

George Papadopoulos Trump Aid: “pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about his contacts with Russians during the election. The lie hindered federal prosecutors from arresting a suspected Russian operative who later fled the country.“

George Nader: child rapist, “present during Trump Tower meeting, used his connections with the Kremlin to serve as an intermediary between Russians and Trump’s associates.“

[Slingblade1126]

Making money off foreign countries and not reporting it as income, ISN'T "conspiracy with a foreign nation". If that was the case, the Biden's and Clinton's would have been locked up YEARS ago. Contacting officials of a foreign nation ISN'T "conspiracy with a foreign nation". That's what you call an over reach of government to get convictions. Even the FBI agents that interviewed Flynn said they feel he didn't lie! It's obvious you have NO fucking clue what "Conspiring with a foreign nation/country" means. Show me ANYTHING that mentions a conviction of ANYONE IN TRUMP'S CIRCLE FOR CONSPIRING WITH RUSSIA!!

[OddBeMe]

You realize “conspiracy with a foreign nation” can have multiple types of crimes, right? Like laundrying money for Yanakovich? Jesus get trumps cock out of your mouth.

[Slingblade1126]

Conspiracy is a crime. You're charged with it, tried for it and possibly convicted for it. There are not different terms for conspiracy. Mony laundering, tax evasion, fraud on a loan application... are separate crimes. No one was ever convicted for conspiring with Russia! You must be the only person in the world who thinks that. Seriously, where the fuck do you get your information? Get Rachel Maddow's cocktail out of your mouth.

[OddBeMe]

So when you see “plea deal reached for not registering as a russian foreign agent”…you dont think thats a mark toward Russian Collusion?

[Slingblade1126]

No, I don't. If they could have charged someone, ANYONE, with conspiracy, trust me, they would have. The best they could do was charge them with other crimes.

[Slingblade1126]

Also, "collusion" isn't a crime.

[OddBeMe]

Then why are you expecting someone to be charged with it? Collusion is being a foreign agent, providing voting data, asking for and taking hacked Dnc emails.

[Slingblade1126]

I think you are confused between "conspiracy" and "collusion". Collusion is not a federal crime. Trump and his "gang" weren't even investigated for it. They were investigated for "Conspiracy to influence a U. S election". No American, I'll say it AGAIN! NO American was charged with it or convicted of it! The only people that were indicated for "conspiracy", were 12 Russians. Your fixation with Trump/Russia is unhealthy.

[joeldalton]

@slingblade1126 so odd that we have an actual conspiracy to influence the 2020 election from the left and zero consequences for it.

[OddBeMe]

(Slaps face again)

[joeldalton]

that’s a normal reaction for the mentally challenged. You should stop

[goaded]

It was just a few facebook posts, right?

[Snakeyes7]

The hoax was Trump's involvement.

[OddBeMe]

Then who did Putin help? Hillary? Lol

[Snakeyes7]

I don't remember whether or not Putin helped at all but I think it really says something that Trump didn't win 2020. I guess Putin forgot to set his alarm clock.

[OddBeMe]

Or…enough liberals woke up to Trump’s grift.

[Snakeyes7]

If a foreign power got involved, I highly doubt it would matter that much.

[Anonymous]

It’s not a hoax

[joeldalton]

lol, what's not a hoax?

[jimmy2]

Here we go again and Trump a criminal I guess

[OddBeMe]

Did you doubt it?

[msc545]

Not a hoax.

[Kingofkings1992]

Hoax!!!