Do you agree with Tucker Carlson that the Commitment to America has nothing real in it?

[goaded]

"Contrast that with what's happening in the US. House Republicans just spelled out what they’re running on. It’s a document called the ‘Commitment to America.’ It’s fine. Probably not much in it that you disagree with. Have you heard of it?" he mocked.

"No, you probably haven’t! You probably haven’t read it. Nobody really cares. Why? Because there’s nothing real in it," Carlson said.

Yes, I always agree with multi-millionaire Tucker Carlson

No, but I usually agree with multi-millionaire Tucker Carlson

Yes, it's the usual GOP crap

Other/see results

[DaveJord]

Yup literally says nothing, lists out some goals but says nothing about how they will do it, and the ass pain it will cause us. No better then the Democrat's, at least they listed something out.

I love how they claim they cut taxes, but don't mention how they cut the number of deductions you can claim... I paid less under the Democrat's, Trumps Tax Bill screwed me hard... there was some fuzzy math there... yeah you have a lower tax rate but you can't deduct as much... so you pay more and corporations pay less. And the prices for everything still go up.

[msc545]

Usual GOP propaganda for the proles.

[msc545]

Thanks for MHO

[Msputiton]

Both parties are so fake it's embarrassing, and their voters believe every word of it

[goaded]

They're both working for the people who fund them, but only one party wants to end elections.

[NewsReader]

The Commitment to America contains a list of goals or agendas to be accomplished. But it does not include great detail about those things. Since the list contains positive things, the liberal media couldn't find a way to spin it around to make false or misleading claims. So they remain silent. And that's why not many people have heard about it.

[Tekkasonic]

Well I listen to tucker, and then I listen to other people and form my own opinions instead of being a sheep for one side or another. your profile icon gives you away, but as right leaning liberal I think the document has some good points... personally I hope Ron DeSantis runs and wins because I like what he is doing in FL.

[goaded]

Killing people with covid? Florida's killed 14,000 more citizens than New York over the last year or so.

[Tekkasonic]

Uhhhh what is the age difference from Florida to new York..

[goaded]

Not that big. 17.3% to 12.9% over 65s.

[888theGreat]

I am Tucker Carlson , we are same age and believe the same.

[OddBeMe]

Usual crap. Both parties do it. I make a living selling it to small businesses.

But how can we hold them responsible for their promises? Or commitments?

[exitseven]

I never heard of it. I must hjave missed Tucker that night.

[Jamie05rhs]

Well, I personally hadn't heard of it, either. So I guess he's right!

[joeldalton]

Weird you didn't post Tucker's segment on it.

[goaded]

I couldn't find a link. Can you?

[joeldalton]

I wasn't looking... cause I hadn't heard about the "commitment to America", lol.

[goaded]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7z2RAdayuM

[joeldalton]

So a 30 second clip from a loser democrat party PAC? Lovely.

[goaded]

So post the rest that made so much sense.

[joeldalton]

This isn’t my question, you post it.

[goaded]

It wouldn't change what he said, would it?

[joeldalton]

I know you like to lie so yeah the full segment is important

[goaded]

Then post it, if it's so important to you. It won't change what he said.

[joeldalton]

Lol, no. You’re my bitch, rembember?

[goaded]

I remember you lie a lot.

[joeldalton]

You mean like how you lie about sweet old grandmas?

[goaded]

Why don't you just put up or shut up?

[joeldalton]

Because you’re my little bitch boy, remember? You work for me.

[goaded]

Are you going for your record for the most lies told in a day?

[joeldalton]

You’re beating your record for being a whiny shit.

[goaded]

Put up or shut up. Or try a few more lies.

[joeldalton]

Are you having a little autistic fit, now? Have you started hitting yourself in the head, yet?

[goaded]

You have nothing, so just do the shut up part.

[joeldalton]

are you gonna cry about it?

[goaded]

Weird that you still haven't got anything to put up. Put up or shut up.

[joeldalton]

This was your dumb question, bitch boy. You do the work

[goaded]

What work? It wouldn't change the words he said in the clip. You know that the whole thing wouldn't make an ounce of difference, you just want to pretend that it might.

[joeldalton]

I don't know that. You've already used clips out of context to prove a point once. I have no reason to believe you would change.

[goaded]

And you've lied about six times in this one conversation. No contest. Put up or shut up.

[joeldalton]

lol, you can't find one lie, dummy.

[goaded]

"You’re my bitch, rembember?"

"I don't know that [It wouldn't change the words he said in the clip]"
Here's what Tucker said: “It’s fine. Probably not much in it you disagree with. Have you heard of it? No, you probably haven’t. You probably haven’t read it. Nobody really cares. Why? Because there’s nothing real in it,”.
twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1574565103386632197

Others are in the other "conversation" (you trolling) we're having. It's hard to tell, because you're so monotonous.

[joeldalton]

Oh you are my bitch. That's the truth.

[goaded]

You're a very sad childish troll.

[joeldalton]

but yet here you are under my control.

[goaded]

[joeldalton]

ok, bitch.

[goaded]

So, how does it make you feel, when you call me your "bitch"? Powerful? Strong? In control?

[joeldalton]

I am in control of you.

[goaded]

So, calling people names makes you feel like you're controlling them? Don't you think that's a little childish?

[joeldalton]

You’re mistaken. You do what I want when I say. Nothing more.

[goaded]

So, you feel that making obviously incorrect statements in order to get publicly corrected makes you look like you're in control of anything? Don't you think you should seek some counselling for the need to be set straight all the time? Or is it just a compulsion?

[joeldalton]

I said nothing incorrect. You keep saying that but it’s nonsense.

[goaded]

You said: "I am in control of you." That's nonsense. Your claim that you've said nothing incorrect doubles down on that nonsense. All so that you can feel in control, when you're obviously not. At least you seem to have accepted that calling people childish names doesn't make you look like you're in control of yourself, let alone anyone else.

[joeldalton]

You're doing my bidding right now.

[goaded]

That's really what you think, isn't it? Why is it you desire correction all the time?

[joeldalton]

I know so.

[goaded]

You really think that posting nonsense (trolling) in order to get a reasonable response is "controlling" the other person? It just shows you lack control even over yourself. And that your childish behaviour is a compulsion.

[joeldalton]

ok, keep telling yourself that. And let me know when you’ve decided to be reasonable..

[goaded]

I'm pretty much always reasonable. You're the one going around calling people infantile names and lying about everything. Just to pretend to yourself that you are in control. Sad.

[joeldalton]

no one who advocates for covid shot mandates is rational.

[goaded]

Define "mandate". Because one definition means you're lying about what I've advocated, and the other means you're lying about what was rational at the time. Maybe you can come up with a third definition I haven't thought of?

[joeldalton]

Mandate: an official order or commission to do something. You are fine with the government ordering people to do things or lose their jobs. You are also fine with private businesses excluding customers who won't get a shot that doesn't stop prevention of a disease.

You lost any, and all moral high ground on any subject by advocating for the above. End of story.

[goaded]

It's nice to have a substantive discussion for a change, instead of the usual lies and insults. I know you can do it, you even cited good evidence to back up one of your claims, once.

I'm fine with the government ordering people to not endanger other people's lives or lose their jobs. I am also fine with private businesses excluding customers who won't get a shot that drastically reduces the chances of contracting, transmitting, or dying from a disease, that may kill other customers of theirs.

That's actually a rational position. What's irrational is saying that if something (vaccines, masks) don't work 100%, there's no point in them at all.

[joeldalton]

Yup, and because you support medical fascism, ANY attempt to project a moral high ground is gone. Especially since you even pulled the "shot that drastically reduces the chances of contracting" line. Those are your words, verbatim. And the covid shots 100% do not drastically reduce the chance of contracting the disease. No one with any lick of understanding of the science believes this. Only those who get rich from the shots or are still completely brainwashed. And you don't appear to be rich.

[goaded]

Aw, and you were starting to be reasonable, too.

You say: "Yup, and because you support medical fascism, ANY attempt to project a moral high ground is gone. Especially since you even pulled the "shot that drastically reduces the chances of contracting" line. Those are your words, verbatim."

Except my words, verbatim, were: "shot that drastically reduces the chances of contracting, transmitting, or dying from a disease"
It started off doing all three, variants reduced that to two or one, but always better than none.

I also said: "That's actually a rational position. What's irrational is saying that if something (vaccines, masks) don't work 100%, there's no point in them at all."

If you'd like to dispute that that's your (irrational) position, feel free.

[joeldalton]

None of them stopped transmission. None. There's scant evidence they're even keeping people from dying or getting seriously ill, either. In fact, there are truth drips coming out that show the opposite. The vaccinated are MORE likely to die in Canada from covid. And the fascists keep pumping them. And that's not even touching on the massive increase in other deaths thanks to these garbage shots.

[goaded]

I know you can back up arguments with actual studies when you want to, why aren't you? Perhaps because you're back to lying about everything?

[joeldalton]

Read Alex Berenson's substack. It's all there. Or don't, I don't give a fuck. Your support of this fascism will never be forgotten.

[goaded]

So you're just willing to believe liars. Your stupidity will not be forgotten. You remind us of it every day.

[joeldalton]

LMAO, his lawsuit which he won against twitter said otherwise. Wait, you believe the CDC that admits it hid critical safety data about the covid shots... and you call other people liars? Hilarious. You stupid ass.

[goaded]

He's still a liar.

"Berenson's victory was not based on his argument that his ban was a violation of the First Amendment; the judge rejected this claim. Instead, his success seems to have hinged on promises made to him by a high-level Twitter employee. “The points you’re raising should not be an issue at all,” the company’s then–vice president of global communications assured Berenson at one point, according to the complaint. The lawsuit says the same executive later told Berenson that his name had “never come up in the discussions” about Twitter’s COVID-19 misinformation policies. Goldman believes that the court’s decision to allow a claim based on that correspondence prompted Twitter to settle. Internet-service executives have always been instructed by lawyers not to talk with people about their individual accounts and not to make any promises about what might happen, Goldman said, “for reasons that should now be obvious.”"

www.theatlantic.com/.../

[joeldalton]

First, tell me what it's called when the CDC withholds vaccine safety data from the media. Is that a truth or a lie?

[goaded]

Are you suggesting the CDC is as dishonest as Alex Berenson? And withholding data is not the same as providing incorrect data or lying, even if they did.

[joeldalton]

They did, and it's absolutely a lie. So yes. Just as dishonest. So again, you lost any moral high ground you ever pretended to have.

[goaded]

So you admit your guy is dishonest, that's something.

Let's step back a bit. I said:
"I'm fine with the government ordering people to not endanger other people's lives or lose their jobs. I am also fine with private businesses excluding customers who won't get a shot that drastically reduces the chances of contracting, transmitting, or dying from a disease, that may kill other customers of theirs."

What's your problem with that?

[joeldalton]

Berenson provides all his sources, which you can never discredit.

Because the covid shots never stopped transmission of covid. Despite the CDC and Biden and you lying about that. They don't do it significantly or whatever vague word you want to use to defend your bullshit. You lie more and claim I expect them to stop transmission 100%. I certainly expect much higher than the next to 0%.

When they dont' stop transmission they don't "protect others". In addition, they come with VERY serious risk of death and injury. There's zero moral or medical reason for mandates or medical fascism which you support. So you are a liar who believes liars and are a fascist.

[goaded]

"Berenson provides all his sources, which you can never discredit."
LOL at you pretending I've seen them and tried! I'd not even heard of him before you mentioned him a day or two ago.

"Because the covid shots never stopped transmission of covid. Despite the CDC and Biden and you lying about that. They don't do it significantly or whatever vague word you want to use to defend your bullshit."
So, how much did they reduce transmission? What's the number you deem insignificant? He must have posted a source for that information, right?

"You lie more and claim I expect them to stop transmission 100%."
Well, it's not a lie, and I can prove it: you just said "When they dont' stop transmission they don't "protect others"." If they reduce transmission, they do protect others.

"In addition, they come with VERY serious risk of death and injury."
This is what always gets me about you, you'll big up the dangers of the vaccine, and talk down the dangers of actually catching covid (especially the earlier, more deadly variants).

For example, figures came out that something like 1,300 people across North America and Europe died from the vaccine in the early stages of the roll-out. That's bad. But at the same time, that was from over 150,000,000 doses of the vaccine which was mostly being given to vulnerable people, old people, and well over 500,000 people died of covid in the same area and time.

"There's zero moral or medical reason for mandates..."
There you go again, with your right wing "if it's not 100% it must be 0%", or vice-versa if you want something done.

Here's the moral argument: It's a lot safer than catching the virus.

Here's your lie: "medical fascism". Mandating something before you interact with other people in society is not "fascism", it's a public health measure. You were vaccinated before you went to school.

For the last 12 months, the death rate from covid has been:
Germany 0.91
World 1.15
EU 1.94
Brazil 2.66
US 7.89

[joeldalton]

Remember when you believed standing on a sticker in a store would keep you safe? Lol.

[goaded]

Remember when you said I wouldn't be able to find you lying in this conversation? That was another one. To go along with the "medical fascism" lie, and the "next to 0%" transmission reduction lie.

Of course you have nothing to say about, say, the 12 month death rate in the US being four times higher than in the EU.

[joeldalton]

No beacuse it has fuckall to do with mandates. But you love exploiting people's deaths for political hay. It's disgusting. and typical for a fascist. I mean you're german, it's in your blood.

[goaded]

I was just checking the data, and I can't find where I saw those figures any more. The true difference seems to be "just" 25% higher death rate in the US than the EU for the last 12 months.

[goaded]

Oh, look, you're wrong again.

[joeldalton]

oh so you were lying. Got ya..

[joeldalton]

more medical fascism from this regime.

thepostmillennial.com/biden-admin-told-states-to-coerce-students-into-vaccination-by-leveraging-athletics-and-extracurriculars

[goaded]

It doen't surprise me to see you think that an adult correcting themselves when they make a mistake is "lying". You've probably never met an actual adult. Certainly not in the mirror: that's just an child who's so desparate to feel in control they'll lie about anything.

You're repeating your lies, now: Mandating something before you interact with other people in society is not "fascism", it's a public health measure. You were vaccinated before you went to school.

[joeldalton]

I was vaccinated with shots that stopped the spread of disease. Not some untested gene therapy that causes myocarditis.

Your devotion to a bunch of billion dollar shady companies that have caused untold destruction to US citizens is outstanding. The brainwashing was done perfectly on you.

[goaded]

Ah, more lies. Why do you think America has had 25% more deaths per capita than the EU over the last 12 months?

[joeldalton]

It wasn’t cause of vaccination, lol.

[goaded]

No? The reason the US has 25% higher 12 month covid death rate than the EU is not because of vaccinations? What makes you so sure?

[joeldalton]

Because their hospitals aren’t paid to put people on vents.

[goaded]

The reason the US has 25% higher 12 month covid death rate than the EU is not because of vaccinations, it's because EU hospitals aren’t paid to put people on vents? Is that what you're saying?

[joeldalton]

I’m saying it’s not because of vaccine rates, you can fill in the gaps however you want.

[goaded]

I can fill in the gap between the last 12 months' covid death rate between the EU (lower) and US (25% higher) any way I want, as long as it's not vaccines? That's generous. Why not vaccines?