When was America “Great”? What era do we long for?

[OddBeMe]

I’d say half the country want to go back. But to when?

[DeeDeeDeVour]

1. "Great"

From the time the USA swung into action in WW2 up to the depletion of Bill Clinton's Trillion Dollar Surplus that was wiped out into a Billion Dollar Deficit by reckless George Bush Jr.

We can never be THE industrial might we once were anymore since we outsourced jobs & technology to the Chinese & many others who copied everything we taught them just for American businesses to save money on labor costs domestically.

Furthermore, now that minimum wage is so high, young kids with little or no ambition think "why bother getting higher education when I can earn better than my hard-working educated peers with a lowly fast food job I can easily get while being dumb as a doorknob!"

2. I/We long for"

a) I long for strong, wise leaders to exact executive orders to freeze & drop the prices of daily essential commodities in order to prevent big businesses from exploiting everybody and allowing Americans to save money.

b) I long for Americans to stop clamoring for higher wages while opting to contribute less while get dumber in the process.

c) I long for the jobs we could have had to return home and give them to legal citizens who'll finally agree to accept a little pay cut in exchange for job security & benefits.

Meanwhile, our military adversaries are growing and getting better & better. Therefore, we should think like underdogs and figure out ways to defeat them in case of conflicts. However, it's better to mind our own business yet get ready.

d) I long for the Reagan era military might that looked so awesome & formidable without losing secrets to our enemies.

[DeeDeeDeVour]

Sorry for the typos. ;)

[OddBeMe]

I agree with most. We’re a service economy. I’m for raising min wage only because we’re so anti education most families rely on min wage to survive.

[Rosexøxø]

Yess this is the question!

yes! Fûcken yes!

I vote YOU to be president lol

this is like a rhetorical question. It really doesn’t need answering; let it just simmer in everyone’s rotting brains, under those commie red hats, with the words I dare not sayyy. 🙅‍♀️

•Take America Away, my Friends• lol

away from trump/Biden terms

[Rosexøxø]

Please and Thank you 🙋‍♀️✌️☺️

[OddBeMe]

I accept your nomination.

[Stoner710]

From around the 1920-2012 the economy was good in the 1920 and 1950s the civil rights movement of the 1960s showed the world that even though we have racism in our past we can move past that we got to the moon. 1970s we took over the Hollywood scene we were already looked at for inspiration from the 30s-60s but with the implications of CGI allowed the move industry to sore to new hires. The 80s we had a great economy after region through one of the worse economic resections in U. S history. We also defeated the communist. The 1990s we were the top economic powerhouse of the world same with early 2000s 2008 we started to decline but we did elect our first black President who was suppose to bring us unity. Unfortunately Obama continued to screw up our economy and divide us by race sex class and who we like to sleep with by 2012 by 2016 Americans were pissed off so we elected trump after being called rubes morons uneducated etc by the Democratic Party. Now we are still the greatest country in the world but we have the worst leader in history in joe Biden and a Democratic Party who only cares about Elites and will get us into nuclear war with Putin because we elected a complete moron who will destroy the country and the way things are going the world

[OddBeMe]

Woah…. skipped over a few Depressions there bud.

[OddBeMe]

And “started to decline” describing the Great Recession is the biggest understatement of all time… lol

[Stoner710]

Sure The great depression was horrible yet the United States was still the most powerful economic country in the world by that point the entire world was going through a Great Depression. We were still number 1 in terms of economic power even the British who was an empire at the time could hold a candle to our economy (and frankly the great depression last eight years longer because government got involved because government sucks at this job) 1970s weren’t great either but we were still the best economy and a beacon to liberty and freedom around the world. (Except in Vietnam because again a failure of government). Carter wasn’t a good president hence why he was one of the few presidents that actually served one term. Being ten (Gerald Ford for some reason is counted on that list I personally don’t count him because he was never elected to president or vice president he’s actually the only president we’ve had that’s never been elected and to an executive branch position) but that being said we were still a great nation. As of 2012 we started to see the decline of our nation because of the racial intersectional politics brought forth by Barack Obama. Not because of skin color but because of ideology

[OddBeMe]

Wait, wait. You’re saying our gdp, world position and greatness has fallen because of “racial intersectional politics”?

Funny that Trump dismantling our govt was actually 10x worse than any race shit.

[Anonymous]

I wanna say 1964-2012.

It wasn't perfect but it was a time when I think people were rarely at each other's throats or at least to the degree when it's not when people of each side were declaring each other to be evil people.

Back when the activist groups weren't constantly trying to invade your daily life (except for feminism, they always did that), when the KKK, Neo-Nazis and racial supremacists were considered jokes and not worth worrying about and back when our constitutional rights were at least a little more respected.

Now all of these fears are back, essentially beating a dead horse, and causing senseless domestic conflict. People are so afraid of things that have already been criminalized that they are willing to flush whatever freedoms they had left down the toilet at the drop of a promise to give you free shit.

[purplepoppy]

Based on the type of person who wears that hat i think they mean before the slaves were released.

[joeldalton]

No, republicans wear those hats, not Democrats.

[DarkWinterNights]

Intellectually and morally bankrupt.

[jongreat46]

not only slaves, they long for the time both slaves and their wives were considered property.

[joeldalton]

@DarkWinterNights yes, the democrats who owned slaves certainly were. Thankfully there were republicans who fought and bled to free them.

[DarkWinterNights]

@joeldalton, Yes, though I was referring to Purplepoppy and also Jongreat46. Their black and white absolutism of the world and how everyone who doesn’t agree with them must be an evil a comic book villain is both immature and intellectually dishonest.

[joeldalton]

@DarkWinterNights 10-4. Jongreat46 did the ultimate pussy move and block me then reply to me.

[OddBeMe]

@joeldalton liberals owned slaves?

[joeldalton]

@OddBeMe aren’t jews democrats?

[OddBeMe]

@joeldalton focus JD…no antisemitism yet… just answer. Did liberals own slaves?

[joeldalton]

Democrats did. Did I stutter?

[DarkWinterNights]

In America? Probably. “Liberal” and “Conservative” didn’t exist in the same definitions as they do now.

[purplepoppy]

So if I went up to 2 separate groups TODAY and said we should enslave blacks which would cheer the loudest repub or dems

[OddBeMe]

@DarkWinterNights No they do. Liberals and conservatives are always the same. Party names change.

@joeldalton. Like: the Democratic-Republican party versus the Whigs. Dumbasses.

[joeldalton]

@purplepoppy. You’re really stupider than I thought.

[DarkWinterNights]

@purplepoppy, You can’t possibly be serious.

[OddBeMe]

@purplepoppy No, go up to two groups and ask, “Was slavery that bad for the blacks?” And you’ll get two profoundly different answers…

[Oigit]

A truly great country would never depend on other countries for natural resources, attempt to police the world or have a government that is corrupt there is no line between it and big businesses, big banks or wall street. You people playing party politics and allowing yourself to be played like fools because of it are the entire reason this country isn't great and has not been for many generations.

[Soteris]

Arguably, I think the highest point in US history was when the founding fathers first wrote down "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." in the declaration of independence.

Before the ink was even dry this dream was already dead and buried and at no point since has USA ever lived up to this promise.

[exitseven]

America started really being great after WW2. The country led the world in just about everything during the 50s and 60s. We had the moon landing and the interstate highway system. Even after the country was in turmoil during the Vietnam era it was still the gold standard. I think it all started to unravel when Nixon resigned. The collective nation lost it's trust and lost it's compass. I think President Trump tried to bring some of this back but I am afraid it is too late.

[msc545]

Exit, the Vietnamese kids we incinerated with Napalm would have disagreed with you.

[exitseven]

@msc545 nobody is perfect.

[msc545]

That is sort of harsh.

[dustybiker]

Just after the dinosaurs and ice age. When it was starting to warm up again. It was a pleasant temp. Major surviving predators were dispersed over greater distances. It seems like it would have been a good springtime to be alive in pre USA.

[Rosexøxø]

Lol yes 👏😂

[dustybiker]

@Rosexøxø 😁

[OddBeMe]

I mean how long did it take to get over the meteor?

[dustybiker]

I couldn’t look it up.

[Kudos4U]

I believe its more equivocal than people give it credit for.

I interpret "great again" as returning not to a specific time, but a set of values that has been hastily lost in the ever quickening march towards collapse.

No country at any time in history has ever been without its wrongs, that does not however mean we can not learn from the strong parts of those times and preserve it to better our nation.

[joeldalton]

Why do you idiots keep thinking that MAGA means “go back to XYZ era”? Oh yeah, because then you shit-for-brains can go “oH YoU WAnT SlaVeRy AgAin”. To make America great, we need energy independence, manufacturing in our borders, small government, America first policies, not trying to police the world, free people and free markets, low taxes, and a government that follows the constitution.

[UCrayCray]

The use of the word “again” suggests there was a time when America was great. People are asking which part in American history we need to return to make America great again.
It’s not an unreasonable question when you consider all the words used in Make America Great Again.

[joeldalton]

@UCrayCray America has been great. We once led the world in freedom. Now your government is run by authoritarian globalists who want to keep you broke while lining their pockets. Coincidentally the politicians you support.

[UCrayCray]

Whatever. 🤷‍♀️
At least now you understand why people want to know which era MAGA’s are talking about when they say “again.”
You seemed a little confused about that.

[joeldalton]

@UCrayCray I know exactly why they want to know. You can pretend all you want about it.

[UCrayCray]

Oh, come on now. If you “know exactly why they want to know,” you wouldn’t be asking “Why do you idiots keep thinking that MAGA means “go back to XYZ era.” 🤷‍♀️

[joeldalton]

@UCrayCray you forgot the next sentence "Oh yeah, because then you shit-for-brains can go “oH YoU WAnT SlaVeRy AgAin”.

[UCrayCray]

You want me to address a comment made by some liberal you made-up in your head that you use to gage all other liberals by?
That “next sentence” represents nothing more than your own imagination, and I have no fucks to give about what your made-up liberal has to say.

[joeldalton]

@UCrayCray lol, read purple poppy's reply

[UCrayCray]

Yes, yes. I know how you construct those images of the perfect liberal you love to hate, but that comment sounds more like a dig than a statement of belief.
I know it’s too late, as you have already filed that specific comment as representative of all liberals because, again, it supports the narrative you have already concocted in your mind.
So have fun with that. 👋

[joeldalton]

@UCrayCray you tried to bullshit and got called on it. try harder next time.

[UCrayCray]

I tried to BS and got called out….. by you?
😂🤣😂🤣
The comment comes across as sarcasm to me. You want to eagerly jump on it because it confirms what you already believe. 🤷‍♀️

[joeldalton]

@UCrayCray I mean you can pretend that leftists didn't screech "AmERiCA wAs NeVeR GrEaT" when Trump promoted MAGA

www.nytimes.com/.../cuomo-maga-trump-.html

or MAGA wants to go back to the 50s where there was segregation
www.nytimes.com/.../trump-maga-blm.html

hanfordsentinel.com/.../...-9e5b-8a693da60945.html

But yeah, it's just me making it up.

[UCrayCray]

The first two are behind paywalls, so 🤷‍♀️
The last one actually asks some good questions. I’m glad you posted it. It allows me to understand why you openly dismiss it all as “idiots” and “shit for brains” asking stupid questions.
It’s because taking the time to stop and contemplate them is so much more difficult.

[joeldalton]

@UCrayCray lmao And of course, you have the head dipshit, Biden calling "MAGA republicans a threat to democracy. OF course the word 'democracy' is really a code word for "democrats in charge'.

[ZackBan]

I would say right after the end of the civil war and until the Vietnam war. This phase saw the US rise and become the biggest dynasty in the world and today like all major dynasties before it it's imploding from within

[OddBeMe]

For just white people though, right? Not even women really.

[ZackBan]

I'm talking about the US as a nation. Not specific to anyone in it. I never said it was fair just "great"

[OddBeMe]

Metrics are metrics and can be a matter of perspective. That’s what anthropological studies are all about.

But I guess the underlying question…what time period would it be better to go back too?

[Twalli]

It's a fictional time. You ask 100 people, most will say it was great in this time period. It won't be the same. If anyone gives a 10 year period for a time it was great, I can list a lot of bad things that happened then, making it less great than it was.

[Onfineguy1]

I say the 50s. Back then the average family could have 3 plus children and live in a very large homes with 2 cars go on vacations and still maintain a modest Bank account. Today. You're lucky to raise 1 child and afford a mortgage with no glamorous vacation. Let alone make a decent middle class yearly salary.

[Juxtapose]

After World War II and a bit before Vietnam.

You could work a factory job straight out of high school and support an entire family, gas prices were super low and we didn't have sjw morons in power. Conservatives were bigoted as fuck but that's the trade-off I suppose.

[letuswaltzforthedead]

Late 1800s to early 1960s. Definitely somewhere between the early 20th century, the United States wasn't filled with shame/guilt and still felt resolute and merit.

[OddBeMe]

Yep. Hopefully a time you couldn’t speak unless your husband said ok…

[letuswaltzforthedead]

I'll try not too 💅
But in all seriousness, i dont think we should bring back all the bad parts of that era but instead the good parts (now we're smart enough to know, yeah, certain things are pretty unacceptable).

[TheMoralCrusader]

The truth is we are all slaves we were never free and the NWO is here and we are gonna lose even more of the privileges that we have had but stupid fucking voters wanna fight with each other instead of put the blame where it belongs. On the government and the people who control them.

[leighbee]

Yay lol

[TheMoralCrusader]

@leighbee Yea before 2020 I always thought wow it sure is great to be living at this time with medical advances and all lol now I wish I was born 30 years before I was.

[leighbee]

Oh yes I definitely agree about 50 years ago as well

[leighbee]

The 60's/70's must have been amazing!

[TheMoralCrusader]

Well the government wasn't forcing people to suffocate in masks back then so yea!

[leighbee]

Lol I wear my face mask to help with my anxiety 😂

[TheMoralCrusader]

How is suffocating yourself gonna help with your anxiety?

[leighbee]

It hides my face 😂

[Agagagagaga]

Sad.

[leighbee]

Ah my favourite person is here

[leighbee]

It is called having mental health issues

[Still-alive]

if you were anything but a white male then yeah it was great lol. otherwise... not so much. :P

[leighbee]

I still think it must have been amazing

[MoralCrusader]

@leighbee I'm sorry I don't know what happened but I had to create a new account so you can send me a message here.

[acooke-13]

@TheMoralCrusader I don't believe anyone has ever died from wearing a surgical mask (ask the surgeons who wear them everyday while performing surgery about this)

[leighbee]

@acooke-13 fact 😂

[OddBeMe]

You know we were drafting people and sending them to Vietnam right?

On top of the great way we treated blacks and women. And then serial killers…

[leighbee]

I am talking about the good things like the moon landing, Roe v Wade, the birth control pill, rather advances in technology, healthcare etc. Also The Immigration and Nationality Act. There are loads, these are just a few. And I am not stupid I know about wars etc but I am focusing on the good bits

[bolverk]

Looking at the US from the outside, its greatest time was after WW2 tp the mid 80's when it was a production power house and there was virtually no unemployment

[Slingblade1126]

If you don't think America is great, does that mean you are questioning why people are crossing the border by the thousands everyday?

[goaded]

Just because somewhere else is worse...

[888theGreat]

US has least offensive smelling shit , that is all.

[Slingblade1126]

@goaded then why don't they stay where they are?

[Slingblade1126]

Let's start a #tag! #goadedsayssomewhereelseisworse

[goaded]

Because they come from the worse places. I assumed that was obvious.

[Slingblade1126]

@goaded #butitsworseintheusa

[goaded]

This is the crazy thinking I see from right-wingers all the damn time: if something's not 100% one thing, it must be 100% the other!

Other places being worse to live in than America does not make America the best place to live. "Millions of people can't afford health insurance" does not mean "nobody can afford health insurance". "Vaccines/masks don't provide 100% protection from covid" does not mean "vaccines/masks don't provide any protection from covid". "Gun control does not stop all gun murders" does not mean "gun control doesn't stop gun murders".

It's really, really dumb, man.

[888theGreat]

@goaded Osama Obama ruined Health Care and made it so expensive. Of course he lied and said Health Coverage would be cheaper. Of course media licked his ass and never called him on it. The guy that helped him sell it , by having no members of congress read it before they passed it, said we Lied like dogs , but we had to to get it passed.

[Slingblade1126]

@goaded #tellpeoplenottocomehere

[Slingblade1126]

Seriously, what you just wrote makes no sense to me. #letshereitfromyou. #don't cometotheusa

[Slingblade1126]

@goaded Trust me, I won't be offended if you you start a, #don'tgototheusa. But I have a feeling you might not but if you do! I'll be right behind you supporting it!

[Slingblade1126]

#don'tcomehere

[Slingblade1126]

@goaded what is your citizenship?

[goaded]

Which part of this is giving you comprehension problems? Can you literally not understand that there are infinite situations between 0% and 100%?

Other places being worse to live in than America does not make America the best place to live. "Millions of people can't afford health insurance" does not mean "nobody can afford health insurance". "Vaccines/masks don't provide 100% protection from covid" does not mean "vaccines/masks don't provide any protection from covid". "Gun control does not stop all gun murders" does not mean "gun control doesn't stop gun murders".

[Filthy_Immigrant]

probably when Reagan was the president and before when are economy was booming, before our businesses went overseas and every market in the world wanted to do business with us

[OddBeMe]

Gotcha. So Iran Contra, the most murderous decade of our country…that’s when America was great?

[Filthy_Immigrant]

more murderous than when Bush started the war on terrorism?

[OddBeMe]

In our country the 80s had the highest murder rates.

[jshm2]

Probably the 1600's when they were killing natives, dunking witches and could legally hang Black people.

[NathanDavis]

I liked it when Cheetos were like 5 cents per bag... lol

[haooy]

I think it refers to the days when America was super power and used to control everything in the world, when the jobs were in America and had not been send out to China and India.

[OddBeMe]

(Looking at current times) what’s changed?

[Vegasrunner]

Um I'm black There really isn't a "great American Era for me to go back to. Maybe last week?

[OddBeMe]

Was last week that good?

[Vegasrunner]

@OddBeMe Compared to going back in time to visit other eras as a black man?

[jongreat46]

Oh for heaven's sake, they long for the time when straight white men were slaveowners and got to beat their wives, they don't long for 1865, they long for the time of 1855.

[Anonymous]

It was great before the Caucasians arrived and took it away from the indians.

[OddBeMe]

Make America Native Again.

[Anonymous]

The US has been economically and militarily dominant for many decades even if it doesn't always get it's own way, it's social and political influence is worldwide.

[AngryCarl]

Wasn't there a brief period of greatness between the end of WW2 and the start of the Korean war? Great for whites I mean.

[Ihfdyjh]

I’m English and America has always been shit. The land of the free to kill each other and be poor scum with dumb accents

[OddBeMe]

And your dirt bag country is…?

[AsaKyo]

When I wasn't born lmao

[OddBeMe]

Funny how that works for you youngins. Statistically speaking of course, it’s always the best possible time…every new second there’s more meds, less crime, etc.

[Dinosaursandanime65]

I don’t know, a cure for gender bending, fags, and water shortage

[Luckycharms12]

Be great when everyone treated equally and free healthcare for everyone

[Iron_Man]

When Donald Trump was president America was. great again

[msc545]

I don't think it was ever great - it has been engaged in genocide since it's inception.

[bamesjond0069]

1950s would be acceptable. A bit earlier is fine too.

[Anonymous]

As far as presidents go, Franklin Roosevelt to the John F Kennedy era

[allogenis96]

Boomers miss the 1950s, i want to go back to the 1850s in South Carolina

[loveslongnails]

About 1,000 years ago.

[BJP21]

Anytime before Bush or Regan.

[Anonymous]

Back before white people set foot.

[888theGreat]

1945 to 1989 , been on decline since

[goaded]

Back when every other industrialised country in the world had been bombed to bits, you mean?

[888theGreat]

@goaded Just Japan and Germany , Italy was not in too bad of shape. Spain was good. Russia was not that bad, England was rebuilding. 1950's US rocked the world , 1960's youth revolted and unrest, 1970's unions peaked , high , inflation 1980's rebounded , 1990's seemed great but Clinton made China a Nuclear space age super power, and allowed banks to do whatever they wanted and the seeds of derivatives were planted which would lead to crash of economy in 2008, and 2000's were crashes and terror attacks and Americans started losing their rights , and now we have a smothering National debt that limits growth , QE , artificial interest rates , and a propped up economy that is not real , with one party trying to destroy economy and forcing socialism on the people.

[goaded]

Sounds like you don't know a thing about the aftermath of WWII.

[888theGreat]

@goaded Just 4.0 plus GPA on American History. Sounds like you are reinventing history

[goaded]

Only an American would say a good grade in American history proves knowledge of world history (and that everyone should know what GPA 4.0 means). At least the post-WWII period is about third of US history.

[jamartheg]

America was great in 1431

[OddBeMe]

Was that before or after Bluetooth the Viking landed here?

[Sabretooth]

where blacks were property.

[Rosexøxø]

Lol this is such a joke

[Sabretooth]

@Rosexøxø Trump gave permission to be racist to his people! Say it! Own it! Racist and proud!

[Rosexøxø]

I don’t know what you just said but-

Anotha one!

Lol that’s another joke tyvm 📝

[888theGreat]

As in Africa , England, and all of Europe. 200 years ago. I look at future not live in the past. But Liberals believe is one person was abused , then everyone should be miserable. Everything they do just makes things worse for everyone else.

[Sabretooth]

@Rosexøxø don't know know how I can make it any clearer.

[888theGreat]

Trump gave more black people, gays, and women more jobs than Obama, Clinton and Jose Biden combined.

Life lesson , I know you are too stupid to understand it, If a person is racist , he doesn't date them, hire them , or even speak to them. Not once did Trump tell all those black people at his rallies to leave and there are 100's. More than Biden ever had at a rally. So, indeed you are the racist and the Democrats which created the KKK are racists. It is Democrats that tell Blacks they are stupid and need them to help them. They give them just enough to live and tell them they can't make it. They are stupid. You can't handle it.

[Sabretooth]

@888theGreat www.vox.com/.../donald-trump-racist-racism-history pro-tip: educate yourself on the issue before you act al condensing to someone and start calling them stupid when they clearly know far more about the subject than you do.

[888theGreat]

I love when Liberals argue their point using left wing sites that publish lies as fact. Socialists are going to cover for other socialists. CBS is Democrats that hate Trump. Vox is Democrats that hate Trump. NBC are Democrats that hate Trump. ABC is Democrats that hate Trump. So anything they say or print from made up sources so biased it is laughable. Also notice all the ratings you got. Hint : You are full of liberal shit. The media works for DNC. They ask DNC for approval on what stories to go with and which to not.

[Sabretooth]

@888theGreat his own niece has confirmed it as has her aunt. I live with my father who is a Trump support and most of his family are Trump supporters... They got no problem with showing their racism. Which side venerates the Confederacy? Which side talks about the White Replacement Theory? Which side goes on about CRT without even being able to explain it? I can go on and on and on and on.

[888theGreat]

Like all Liberals you project yourself unto others.. His Niece has always hated Trump over a will which she thought she deserved more. The Aunt backs niece hoping to get a few million out of it.

[Sabretooth]

@888theGreat Trump has a history of theft... Otherwise, he wouldn't have to have settled for his Trump University scam... There's a whole list of em: www.google.com/.../amp

[888theGreat]

Google takes it marching orders from DNC too

[Sabretooth]

@888theGreat do you believe in anything else but Trump?

[SmokinAces2000]

Never was never will

[lottiebannotie]

Vietnam presumably

[OddBeMe]

And serial killers?

[lottiebannotie]

Why not let's go all in prohibition

[OddBeMe]

Just saying, 60-70s was serial killer haven.

[lottiebannotie]

Yeah but doesn't matter civil rights movement blah blah

[HippieVeganJewslim]

Before 1776.