Why is communism considered socially acceptable in the US and western countries, when Nazism and fascism are not?

[InsecureLivesMatter]

To be clear, I don't support either concept. Even religious cults — for the most part — are highly supported and often OK'd.

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Even TikTok is owned by a literal Communist.

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And it is unironic and ignorant for any reasonable liberal, moderate or conservative to use a communist platform. Period.

[NamerOfStars]

Freedom of religion, man. It applies even to secular faiths. Nazism is an exception, but it won't be much longer. Many people hold to the idea that World War 2 was about "us stopping the evil Nazis", despite the fact that the US only declared war on Germany after Hitler declared war on us; it's pure revisionist history.

When there were still WW1 veterans around, THAT war was regarded as a heroic venture, instead of the bumbling clusterfuck that it actually was. As the last of the WW2 vets die off (and there already aren't many left), the hero-worship will fade, and our society will begin to take an honest look at THAT war, too, and the harsh condemnation will wane.

[Guy13]

people have been conditioned to believe Socialism is good and Communism is one major event from martial Law where Socialism is a gift to the public. People are stupid and can not think for themselves. l

[Anonymous]

I’m not sure any western country accepts communism. Democratic socialism, yes…….. but communism? No.

[Alexandrubaschet08]

Because both Russia and the West are nations without honor and scruples.
Both ideologies are criminal, both restrict people's rights, both ideologies are totalitarian, both ideologies have an enemy to face (Nazism>Jews, Communism>bourgeoisie), both ideologies promise an unprecedented future and supreme achievements.
The problem arose when the UK did not let Churchill finish his work by applying the "unthinkable" operation.
Declaring the USSR as the winner of WW2 and accepting high-level compromises for decades at the expense of a peace as bloody as a war.

[Soteris]

Because Communism is just an economic model where as nazism/fascism is inherently violent and dangerous. They are not even close to being equivalent.

[InsecureLivesMatter]

What about the 20 million killed in the holodomor?

[Sargentcaptain]

> just an economic model

Yeah, one that is antithetical to basic human rights. Fascism and Communism are 2 sides of the same coin.

[Soteris]

@InsecureLivesMatter
That is just down to poor leadership and has nothing really to do with the socio-economic model of communism.

[Soteris]

@Sargentcaptain Antithetical my ass. Show me the contradiction between basic human rights and communism.

[Sargentcaptain]

> That is just down to poor leadership and has nothing really to do with the socio-economic model of communism.

Lol, yeah, it totally doesn't have anything to do with communists viewing normal people as subhuman scum who don't deserve to live or feed their families. Fuck it, what do you think was the cause of the Holodomor then?

> Antithetical my ass. Show me the contradiction between basic human rights and communism.

Ownership is one of the very basic human rights commies can't stand. Communism isn't compatible with liberal ideals and free trade, consent among traders, workers and owners. It is inherently authoritarian and it's one of the forms of fascism.

[Soteris]

@Sargentcaptain Holodomor had nothing to do with any of that. It was a political move to eliminate a culture and "russify" the Soviet Union. Nothing to do with communism, all to do with nationalism of the same kind as MAGA. They were trying to eliminate multiculturalism.

As for ownership, since communism in its most extreme form is founded in communal ownership it is far more natural than ownership backed by state property rights such as in capitalism. Communal ownership has its roots at the dawn of human evolution when we traveled in hunter-gatherer groups.

Not saying that I am necessarily for or against it but saying its against "basic human rights" is childish.

I also highly disagree with your stupid opinions regarding Communism in regards to free trade, "consent among traders, workers and owners" etc.. Its retarded.

[Alexandrubaschet08]

You are stupid?
Nazism is an economic model then too.
Communism is violent and dangerous.
They are the same, equal.
The Eastern Bloc has experienced both.
Communism is thousands of times worse than Nazism.

[Alexandrubaschet08]

How can communism not be dangerous and violent when we had the KGB, the Securitate, the Stasi.
How can Nazism not be an economic model when it allows the ownership of state and private property at the same time?
How can leadership be bad, when the same system was implemented in the other communist states and had the same results, millions and millions of deaths. Romania in over 40 years of communism has lost over 4 million people and globally this number exceeds 300 million and is still growing!!!

[Soteris]

@Alexandrubaschet08 No they are not the same. Communism is a political ideology, it has policies like public ownership and whatnot. Nazism does not have any of that. There is no Nazi political ideology dictating its stance on taxes or tarrifs or economic policies or immigration or anything like that.

Nazism is about control, authority and power. It is about how to oppress people and rule over them like a king. It is about justifying your country attacking and taking resources from others. It does not care what their economic policy is or what any other aspect of the government is doing. It is nothing like Communism who has a set belief on how the country should be functioning.

That is why Nazism is always bad and you can never escape that.

[Alexandrubaschet08]

The Nazi ideology is found in the book written by Hitler himself "Mein Kampf" (My Struggle).
Nazism is short for national socialist working class, this ideology concerns only and only the people from the country where the system is applied and claims that they are a superior race (like today's Russia).
The people of the respective country are well supported if they are with the state in cooperation with the immigrants who are worth absolutely nothing, they are even illegal in Germany 1939, they do not benefit from significant rights except in a tolerated way to live.
The majority of German citizens after 1933 and until 1945 led a good and enriched life, compared to 1918-1932 and the years that preceded Germany 1945.

[Soteris]

@Alexandrubaschet08 Nazism has propaganda as its foundation. It will say whatever is convenient in any given society to gain public support but at no point do they ever actually stand for what they push as propaganda. Politicians lie, you should be used to it at this point.

As such I must repeat, Nazism does not have a foundational ideology outside of controlling people and exploiting countries around the world. Nazism is completely compatible with working under communism as it is working under a monarchy or a democracy. It makes no difference since Nazism does not have inherent policies. It is not a political philosophy as such.

[Alexandrubaschet08]

Si eu insumi ma repet de asemenea. Comunismul este lafel, foloseste propaganda pana in maduva oaselor si forteaza poporul sa o creada.
Nazismul a fost condus de insusi creatorul sau, in timp ce comunismul a fost aplicat in baza ideologiei originale a lui Karl Marx in diferite tari sub diferite variatiuni.
Rezultatul a fost mult mai atroce din partea comunismului.
Am trait intr-o tara fosta comunista, taci din gura.

[Soteris]

@Alexandrubaschet08 Nonsense. Communism has nothing to do with propaganda. Communism is about economic and social policies. How a country should be ran on a fundamental level. Nazism dont care about any of that. Also Hitler just copied the work of Mussolini so he is not even the "creator" of Nazism as such since its just Fascism with a coat of paint.

You really need to study political philosophy my man. You clearly dont get it.

[Alexandrubaschet08]

It can be seen that they do not come from a former communist country.
Fascism and Nazism are not the same thing, although they are extremely similar.
Nazism does not perceive the existence of other social groups than the pure ones from the respective nation. While Mussolini's fascism refers to all citizens who belong to Italy and only Italy, including other ethnic groups.
In all communist countries there is propaganda, propaganda was used and even I, after the fall of communism, saw and heard propaganda.

[Soteris]

@Alexandrubaschet08 Every political government has a military. Does not mean its militaristic. Every political government has a fire department, does not mean their political ideology rotates around fire departments. Just because a government has something or even focuses on something does not mean it is a core aspect of their political philosophy. Feel free to prove me wrong, Communist philosophy is not a secret. Show me where in Communist philosophy it advocates for propaganda and ill believe you.

As for Fascism and Nazism? Nazism is a subcategory of Fascism. Just like how Democracy has sub categories such as Direct Democracy and Representative Democracy etc.. So too does Fascism and Nazism is one of those.

[Alexandrubaschet08]

N. Korea, China, Cuba, Russia, Romania, Hungary, Bulgary.
Before and still afther 1989.
From all African, Asian, European and Cuba, you thing you are the chosen one who know to apply it.
In Czecho-Slovakia they try to improve thesistem and add some humans rights. Remember the 1968 Praga.
Nobady want communist and that ideology of Marx is imposible and unrealistic!
Wake up more the 20 nations try it.
RFG and RDG is the best comparation to show you the reality of the ideology

[Soteris]

@Alexandrubaschet08 Literally dont care if you think its unrealistic or impossible. Its objectively not the same as Nazism which is barely even a political philosophy. You can bitch, whine and catch feelings all you want about Communism but that does not change reality.

[Alexandrubaschet08]

Yes agree and the reality is that they are the same. And you from USA had no idea and right to talk about it. A german person who experience them both will say the same.
Hitler create and implamentate his ideology.
Marks simply die before seen it.
Thats the only diferance

[Soteris]

@Alexandrubaschet08 Complete nonsense. First of all, I am Swedish and half my family lives in Germany. Secondly, Hitler barely did anything. The success of Germany had more to do with the efforts of the German people and industry rather than the government at the time. Especially since Hitler is more famous for his scams such as the whole Volkswagen factory nonsense he pulled.

The idea that Hitler was somehow a genius leader that transformed Germany into a super nation is just nonsense propaganda that you should grow up from.