Are Communism And Fascism The Same?

Question

Both want you to drop your freedom and ass kiss the government  No free media, just state run media  They want you to bow down to the government  Be poor uneducated stupid ass kissers

OddBeMe · Accepted Answer

In the govts of the 20th century…yes. Stalin and Mao are not that different from Hitler. They all had absolute power. Doesn’t matter the tiny window dressings of their labels.

Doesn’t mean all “communist” govts are fascist. But there’s a relation.

Anonymous · Accepted Answer

They are certainly more the same than they are different

nightdrot · Answer

No. They are not. Though the methods of Fascism and Communism are often the same, their theoretical foundations are quite different.

Communism was a romantic reaction to the Enlightenment. To wit, the idea of the Enlightenment was that man was a spontaneously rational and social being. That he had rights, rooted in nature.

However, man has been corrupted by institutions that evolved over history but that were not inherently rational and therefore not consistent with his natural rights.

The idea behind the Enlightenment then was that man must be stripped of the illogical and irrational/pre-rational sources of his identity - i. e. religion, ethnicity, tribe, etc. - and law made in conformity with his natural rights. When law and natural rights are consistent, man will live in harmonious relationship with his fellows.

The problem. of course, was that man gets his sense of identity from religion, family, tribe, nationality, etc. When stripped of these - as the British statesman and political philosopher put it - man is "reduced to his naked shivering nature."

Into this stepped Marx. In brief summation, he combined man's need for a sense of identity with a "scientific theory." He discerned a dialectic in History - with a capital "H" - in which economics and class was the source of man's true identity and that the clash of owning and working classes would result over time in a stateless utopia where man lived in fulfillment of his nature.

This, of course, was not scientific at all. It greatly oversimplified man's nature and, in practice - and this is skipping over a LOT of important detail - conduced to the concentration of power in an elite whose job, in Marxist theory, was to guide the workers toward that classless utopia that - allegedly - History was moving toward anyhow. In policy terms, this conduced to the abolition of private property, government ownership of the means of production and a centrally planned economy.

Fascism, by contrast, said, unlike Socialism, that man was not working toward a classless stateless Utopia. Rather, man derives his entire sense of self from the state. Thus man is a cog in the machine of the state, with the state sitting at the pinnacle and the head of the state being, in effect, the head of the whole enterprise. Not unlike the president of a corporation is the final authority in the corporation. (Hence also why the term "corporatist state" is sometimes applied to Fascism.)

Also, note, contrary to the popular conflation, Fascism and National Socialism (Naziism) are NOT the same things. National Socialism is actually more related to socialism, only replacing race and the survival of the fittest for socialism class and class warfare as the source of man's identity and the driving force of History.

In fact, the reason for the brutal rivalry between Socialism and National Socialism is that they were arguing about the nature of reality as understood by the Socialists. It was a fight within the family, so to speak. Whereas Fascism posited a different theoretical foundation that rejected both class and race as sources of division within the state.

Indeed, it is notable that Mussolini's National Fascist Party was initially supported by many prominent Italian Jews. Fascism only taking on an anti-Semitic cast as Italy began to lose the Second World War and grew increasingly dependent on Nazi Germany.

Again, to be sure, all three - Communism, Fascism and National Socialism - are totalitarian dictatorships and thus their methods overlapped. Socialism abolished private property. Fascism permitted it, but the private businesses were as obliged to follow the dictates of the state in practice as any business under Socialism.

That all said, similarity of method should not obscure their theoretical differences. Those differences being the source of much of their rivalries and thus much history.

Anonymous · Answer

According to Benito Mussolini, "Therefore, for the Fascist, all is in the state and nothing human or spiritual exists much less has value outside the state."

"Its (fascism's) functions cannot... be limited to those of enforcing order and keeping the peace, as the liberal doctrine had it. Fascism is definitely and absolutely opposed to the doctrines of Liberalism, both in the political and the economic sphere." "The keystone of the Fascist doctrine is its conception of the State, of its essence, its functions, and its aims. For Fascism the State is absolute, individuals and groups relative..."

All quotes taken from Moussolini's essay "The Doctorine of Fascism" or "La Doctorina del Fascismo" in Italian.

According to Giovanni Gentile the philosopher who invented fascism, basically the Karl Marx of fascism, "Fascism as a consequence of its Marxian and Sorelian (Jacobin French Revolutionist) patrimony... conjoined with the influence of contemporary Italian idealism, through which Fascist thought attained maturity, conceives philosophy as praxis." Origini e dottrina del fascismo, Rome (1929) p. 58 Basically fascism was a form of Neo-Marxism with what was at the time "modern" idealism, nationalism and philosophy. While it is very much Anti-Liberal, it is not right wing it is from the same leftists that spawned the French Revolution and Marxism.

NaultD · Answer

Seeing how nazi Germany and Russia communists was at war with each other seems at odds then the same.

Hitler wanted to colonize Russia as a failed state as he made mein kampf in a jail cell before coming to power, just before the communists revolution. How ironic Russia was the one that rolled over Berlin.

In modern day we have "tankies" being Americans that sucks Russia and Chinese dick. That had a communists revolution but backwards into an authoritarian regime like what you are saying being Fascism.

So to really answer your question, it's more of a horseshoe imagery.

ArztSchlachthof · Answer

You mistook "Marxism-Leninism" with Communism, but that's fine - most people do that, especially Americans.

No, they are not. Communism is great at its core, but it's hard to execute it properly because of corrupted people that only want power. Economically - you are abolishing classes and thus taking money from the wealthy ones and giving them to the poor.

Fascism is all about racism and nationalism - you give money to both the poor and the wealthy, but you take it from people of different races or ethnicity. Italy > Lybia, Ethiopia, Germany > Jews and so on.

Stoner710 · Answer

They’re not the same but Semoia both of them rely on government ownership of your ride to do what you would like to do. They’re different and the fact that fascism relies on more corporate progressive censorship aka fascism where communism is directly from government

Celtero · Answer

Not explicitly.

Also, I find it weird how Fascism is characterized as "far-right" when pretty much every communist revolution mirrored Hitler.

To me, fascism isn't left nor right, but a rigid and aggressive form of authoritarianism. I find it stupid to say that only Hitler and Mousillini were fascists and not Mao, the Kims, Stalin, or Castro.

So by my definition I don't know if we've seen an instance of communism that wasn't fascist.

Luminair3 · Answer

They are not the same. They are like running a marathon and riding a mountain bike for miles and miles. Either way at the end you get tired.

unidentifiable2021 · Answer

The fundamentals are completely different in both. Although nearly every example of both have ended up similarly. 1984 is a good example of that. But if you examine the core beliefs of both then they are not

jshm2 · Answer

That's as daft as suggesting bathing and running are "the same," because both get you wet all over.  Stay in school, kid. Pay attention in classes, you're not learning much as it is.

888theGreat · Answer

Fascism is extreme right and Communism is extreme left. You should have learned that in high school. Also what I have been saying. They don't teach kids anything in school. Hitler hated communism. You really know how to show your ignorance.

Alexandrubaschet08 · Answer

Fascism mean the people of the country to dedicate to theyr nation Communism mean to share evrething in the nation whit the people in the nation.

Kontrvnote · Answer

They are two different ideologies. But they look similar because at the end there's no freedom and people are supposed to bow down to the leader because criticizing the leader would get them killed.

crispycookie · Answer

They are not the same. But anyway neither of them do any good.

Sargentcaptain · Answer

'noooh, its different when my extremists dictators take away your rights, we do it for your good'

FunkyMonkee · Answer

Pretty much the same thing. Get used to it!! Chairman Joe's bringing here VERY soon!!!

humanearth · Answer

Same but different. Both end up with the same result. A dead broke country with no freedom

_no_one_ · Answer

Kind of, one is transparent, the other one's corrupt

Andres77 · Answer

Tyranny is tyranny. Minor variance of flavor but still tyranny.

Anonymous · Answer

Fascism generally has a cult leader aspect to it that communism lacks. e. g. mussolini, hitler, trump.

Anonymous · Answer

At least fascists are honest about it.

Agape93 · Answer

Similar but no

Still-alive · Answer

Nope

thotmas97 · Answer

No. They’re not.

animesenpai · Answer

*eye roll*

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