What do you identify as politically?

[WilliamPamer446]

Right Wing (Mainstream)

Right Wing (Minority/Counterculture)

Right Wing (Far Right)

Independant (No Official Label)

Left Wing (Social Liberals)

Left Wing (Socialists)

Left Wing (Far Left)

[nightdrot]

Vote A - Right (Mainstream). However, I always, when I see this kind of question, have to put an asterisk over it.

First, to start, the terms "right," "left" and so forth, are not terribly helpful. The usage comes out of the French revolution, when supporters of a republic sat to the left of the Speaker's chair in the National Assembly, while supporters of the Church and the monarchy sat to the right. While these are common usage in contemporary politics, they actually don't say very much.

Second, beyond that, your update is an historically inaccurate observation that misunderstands the taxonomy of political philosophy. In fact, it was "the right" as you are using that term, that founded the welfare state.

As to being "outgoing" and "socially adept" I hardly know what that means. Suffice to say, these are personal and psychological classifications having little to do with political philosophy. I would be interested in seeing the empirical data you offer - besides your own biases to support your proposition.

Good of you, thought, to allow that there may be exceptions to the rule that you have not demonstrated. Good of you, if analytically problematic.

At any rate, my conservatism is not what Americans typically call conservative. Because what Americans call conservative is, historically speaking, not conservatism but is, rather, classical liberalism.

(As an aside, what Americans call "liberalism" is actually "radical" liberalism. "Radical," here not meaning as we use the term today, i. e., extremist, but rather as the ancient Greeks used it, meaning "to the root of." The radical liberals agreeing with the classical liberals that liberty is the purpose of government and politics, but arguing that differences in wealth and power in society make that liberty problematic.)

My conservatism, which for convenience I will call classical or Tory conservatism, traces its intellectual pedigree through Aristotle, St. Thomas Aquinas - and probably most importantly - the 18th century British statesman and political philosopher, Edmund Burke, and also the British Prime Ministers Benjamin Disraeli and Lord Salisbury.

In an American context, it shows up in the thinking of Alexander Hamilton and then - almost by historical accident, the American Whig Party, and the former Whig turned Republican, Abraham Lincoln. (It is a great historical "what if" as to what the GOP would have looked like had Lincoln lived and the radical Republicans not gained the ascendancy.)

Classical conservatives believe, unlike American conservatives and liberals, that the purpose of government is to answer Aristotle's first questions of politics, "How ought we to live? What kind of a people do we wish to be?" To which classical conservatives respond that the purpose of government is to nurture civic virtue. To reinforce those habits and customs that make a harmonious and stable social order possible.

Classical conservatives believe in the free market as a tool, rather than an end in itself. They recognize that it is a powerful wealth creator, efficient to some degree, and a guard against an overweening state. However, they believe, as Burke said, "The effect of liberty to individuals is that they may do what they please. We ought see what it will please them to do before we risk congratulations."

Consequently, classical conservatives support an ameliorative welfare state. (The welfare state was invented by two conservatives - Disraeli and Bismarck.) In this they differ from American liberals who see the welfare state as a lever to engineer social transformation.

Tories believe that political philosophy should take as it starting point not human reason, but human nature. That political rights are developed through historical usage, and are not abstract pre-existing.(They don't deny that such abstract rights don't exist. Merely that they are of no practical benefit or use in civil society and law.)

Suffice to say, I could go on, but this summarizes the issue.

[KostasKouvalis]

A Moderate Conservative, so I guess option B. Though I will be honest, I do hold some bigoted viewpoints especially towards blacks, Asians, LGBT people, and soldiers, and I believe White people are the most superior race, which isn't very moderate. My friend told me I'm more racist than the average Conservative. At the same time however, a lot of Conservatives are bigoted towards the Islamic world and I feel this is where my moderate side comes in. Because for example, I don't think Iran is a shithole and I think average Iranian people are highly sophisticated. I've also begun to understand that Islam varies from region to region. I also support Assad, and I supported Putin before the war and also sympathized with some illegals. I'm also not nationalistic and I don't believe the U. S. is the greatest country on earth. I also wasn't against abortion before, though that's changed a little now. And I also agree with the Left on some environmental and religious issues.

I'm always open to discussion though with people who don't think like me, as long as their willing to do the same. While I feel a lot of my Conservative counterparts are just as stubborn as Leftists.

[WilliamPamer446]

Moderate conservative either fits you on the alternative, fringes or the mainstream, depending on what your specific views are. THe left and the right undergo inner circl drama and reform themselves a lot over time. I only put that one and not more nuanced poll choices because there was a limited number of poll options.

[WilliamPamer446]

And thank your that comment on the bottom and the other stuff you are the type of conservative that I want to engage with.

[WilliamPamer446]

Nevermind you said you were racist im less open to you now

[WilliamPamer446]

White people can't be the most superior race because when we could progress and become better we degenerate further and further and let poliitcal drama weaken our countries and socieites

[KostasKouvalis]

I'm only racist against Asian and black nationalities who hate White people. You shouldn't be afraid to have the discussion of WHY I'm racist.
I'm talking in a general sense. White people are better at governing, though I won't argue that they're destroying themselves as Whites are the only race of people who love other races more than their own

[WilliamPamer446]

Ill talk to you, but considering your opinions we won't be buddy buddies for now

[SpringValley]

Ultra conservative.

If someone is killed with a gun, I blame the shooter, and not the manufacturer of the gun.

Anyone who thinks otherwise, is beyond hope.

[WilliamPamer446]

"Ultra" conservative alright thats a confusing ambiguos term
Are you a social or economic conservative?
Are you far right or mainstream right or otherwise?
Where do you stand on women, do you want them to go back to there traditional roles or are you happy having modern freedom?

[WilliamPamer446]

Where do you stand on current social issues?

[WilliamPamer446]

By the way, its nice to meet you. None of my questiosn are an attack

[SpringValley]

No, women don't need to go back to anything.

How am I a conservative?:

I don't give a shit about genders and roles. But if you do a smash and grab at a jewelry store, I would like to watch as they fry your ass in the electric chair.

[WilliamPamer446]

I hope your not mad at me lol

[SpringValley]

Not at all.

[DaisyM23]

I'm economically left and mostly socially left but I have some views that can be considered right

[WilliamPamer446]

oh thats interesting its good to see your tryna be on the right track without letting other people tell you how to think and you have more open space to think and decide for yourself without the compromised clouds of left and right

[WhiteSteve]

I’m registered as an independent, just because I don’t like labels. I’m pretty horrified by most, if not all of the social positions that the right right currently holds. Like that’s just the opposite of being a good person, in my mind. If you asked me “how can I be a worse person?”, I’d instruct you to start following those ideals. So the Republican Party is a looooooonnnnnnnggggggg way from securing any votes from me for the foreseeable future. I never used to even pay a lick of attention to politics, but then they got loud about their quiet thoughts when Trump came along, and that drew me in, out of necessity, like “I can’t look myself in the mirror and have any respect for myself as a human if I don’t fight against this.” I’m actually kind of pissed off about it, I much preferred blissful ignorance, lmao. Now I’m here on GAG having political arguments, that’s some real “unalive yourself” stuff right there🤦‍♂️😂

[SpringValley]

I feel the same way about the Democrat party, and my list of examples are about the same as yours.

[MCheetah]

Independent, and think both Democrats and Republicans are dumb (but Democrats far dumber.) A former moderate-liberal up until 2015. Voted for Obama twice (and regretted it), voted for Trump twice, want Tulsi Gabbard to be president next.

By the way, the four levels of the political spectrum are Moderate (the moderate left, and the moderate right/Libertarians), Mainstream (Democrats/Liberals/Labour, and Republicans/Conservatives), Far/Radical (Progressive/social justice warrior, and alt-right), and Extreme (on the left, you got Fascists and Communists, and on the right, you got Anarchists.) I'm completely purple, as far as politics go.

See? Like this.

[inhua]

the political left has moved so far to the left, everything that is moderate and centrist is now seen as far right.

[WilliamPamer446]

yeah I know so this poll was hard to make, I wanted to be objective but keep up with contmeporary times

[alice55]

Right Wing (Far Right)

what s the right wing minority?

[WilliamPamer446]

What I meant was right wing people that dont align themselves with the mainstream right wing and have alternative views. i didn't wanna be more specific because I had a limited number of poll options so I couldnt include more. That means not far right but kinda rebellious anti establishment right wing and more liberal right wingers. Its a nuanced spectrum that you can't really capture with one single poll choice but I didn't have any more room.

[alice55]

In France this would be a regular right wing being liberal

[DCooper]

I don't particularly identify as anything. My political leanings boil down to this:

[call_me_scar]

Bernie sanders type liberal for the most part but I disagree with him on things like supporting Israel

[SmokinAces2000]

I try to be firmly independent on most things but the right is slowly pushing me more to the left but I’d still classify my politics as independent

[WilliamPamer446]

thats interesting can we talk about it i won't judge you but you have to not judge me either

[Anonymous]

Independent. I used to be a registered democrat but the left has gotten so sickeningly extreme and toxic in recent year that I can't identify with them anymore.

[Guy13]

Right Wing with traditionalist value set.

[WilliamPamer446]

what traditional values

[WilliamPamer446]

by minority or counterculture i meant the small sect of the conservative party which is rebellious to the mainstream conservatives. i couldnt clog up my poll with more detailed right wing choices

[LiamJHayden]

As little government as necessary.

[WilliamPamer446]

same here

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Moderate left liberal position.

[shortster]

Libertarian