I’m actually glad though, this pisses me off. Politicians just think laws don’t apply to them. Next is Congress insider trading.
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I’m actually ok with it. Biden is the pres. looking forward to see what docs he was hoarding. Probably nothing but if they say UKRAINE the right wing will lose their shit lol…
Why are we getting more media coverage about Biden’s document hoarding than Trump’s?
There was a lot more coverage on it about Trump, so this would need to continue for months in order for the coverage on Biden t o catch up.
There is a difference though legally. Trump was president and could declassify the documents, therefore not breaking the law. The documents Biden had were from when he was vice president and NOT able to declassify them legally so he actually broke the law.
I think the reason there is any coverage at all on Biden's documents (since normally the media tries to hide misdeeds from democrats) is that the democrats don't want Biden to run for reelection and are going to use this against him. The democrats want Newsom because he is Pelosi's relative and has lots of connections. Just watch. I bet Newsom will be running in the 2024 presidential election.
Trump could declassify and also grant access. That access would continue till withdrawn by a President.
It is entirely possible that Obama granted Biden access and Trump never withdrew it, so legally there is probably nothing prosecutable, but the optics are terrible.
What Biden didn't do was lie about having the decouments nobody knew were missing. Trump refused to return his even after they were demanded, and is still not willing to state that he doesn't have any more. And what they've found so far would fit at the bottom of one of the many boxes of documents that Trump had.
@LiamJHayden Well, I didn't expect you to actually read it! C: (Joke!)
"As of January 2023, Tom Blanton, director of the independent nongovernmental organization the National Security Archive, confirmed with Snopes that the 2009 executive order was still in effect, and that the vice president was an "original classification authority" in the sense that the elected official could, while still in office, declassify any federal document, including ones that other people have designated classified." https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/biden-documents/
All of this is irrelevant, since the documents in both cases were mishandled, the difference is in intent and obstruction of justice. None of this (including Trump's documents) would have made the news if Trump had simply complied with the National Archive's request for the documents he'd taken.
@goaded But if they each had permission, Biden via Obama and Trump as POTUS, it is hard to see anything genuinely actionable. Despite Congress's attempt to the contrary, SCOTUS has made it clear that declassification and granting access to classified rests with POTUS. To me, someone who dislikes both men and both parties, I see these as attempts by their respective parties to get rid of both of them.
@LiamJHayden Firstly, there's no evidence that either declassified the documents (even though the both apparently had the authority). Secondly, the differences in intent and reaction are massive.
Refusing to comply with a subpoena (Trump) is illegal. Government documents belong to the government, Biden accepts that, Trump thinks they're his and is obstructing justice on that erroneous basis.
It's the difference between paying taxes in full a week late and refusing to pay them at all.
People make mistakes. Forgetting to return a library book is a mistake. Saying the library books belong to you when they ask for them back is not.
Not sure why AI gave this a superb opinion because its misinformation on several levels: First, Obama issued an executive order EQ13526 which among other things, gave the VP power to declassify documents. Your statement that he was NOT able to declassify them and "broke the law" is inaccurate. www.msn.com/.../ar-AA16skW9
Second, the fact that Trump "could have" declassified the documents found in his possession, illegally - doesn't mean he DID declassify them. He "claims" to have declassified them "in his head", for crying out loud. LOL That's ridiculous, because there's a process that needs to be followed, and there's absolutely ZERO evidence that Trump even tried to initiate that process.
Furthermore, once you are out of office, a former President can no longer declassify any documents and it would be illegal to have them in his possession, which is clearly the case with Trump. His flat out refusal at first to return them and seek court refuge was just more of the usual Trumpian bullshit to try and cover his crime.
It remains to be seen IF Biden knew of the documents in the first place, and IF they were declassified to begin with, and IF he broke any laws. The only thing he's "guilty" of so far is not announcing it the exact moment they were found, which is the "straw" the Republicans are hanging on to. They should ask themselves "what would Trump have done", and that straw would burn up like paper in fire. Trump has once again, CLEARLY broken the law, and now even gloats that he has "something on everyone".
@LiamJHayden Trump could NOT declassify anything at all once out of office. The nature of his crime is that he did NOT declassify any of the documents in his possession according to the required procedure. "Well, I did in my head". Are you kidding? This is what your 5 yr old says when you catch them lying. WTF is wrong with some of you people? LOL
1. The pushed narrative: Biden made statements about how wrong it was, then got caught being a monumental hypocrite. 2. The real reason: The Democratic machine realizes how huge of a liability Biden will be in 2024 if someone like DeSantis is the Republican nominee. Not that the Democrats are likely to win, but a decent candidate can avoid a down ticket massacre.
In Joe Biden's case as Vice President who still believes the documents in question were classified it is actually a crime.
In the case of a President with the power to unilaterally declassify anything like Trump who still maintains the documents are not and were not then classified, the legal case is pointless.
The only thing that really matters is the fact that all future presidents no longer can count on being personally secure if they agree to give up power voluntarily.
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The Trump thing is old news and now there's a democrat politician doing the same thing they are trying to jail Trump for. The question is who in Democrat party released it and why. Is it one of the old Warhorses like Pelosi waters, Warren hoping to get their last shot at the presidency or was it vice president Harris trying to get Biden out of the way?
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