What do you guys think of Biden mishandling classified documents?

[Juxtapose]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2023/01/14/classified-documents-scandal-puts-biden-presidency-in-peril/amp/

Ahhh this feels good.

And no, this isn't new news to me but nice try!

No anonymous opinions and no bullshit.

It's about time they caught that rat.

Oh no!

Updates

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Trump had full authority to declassify documents as the president.

These documents are something Biden has had since he has been vice president. Vice presidents do not have authority to declassify documents.

Simple.

Updates

+1 y

I will admit I was wrong, there is supposed to be a formal procedure to declassification that Biden and Trump did not follow.

[nightdrot]

As per your update, yes, there is a formal procedure for declassification. However, the ultimate authority for that process is the President. The Vice-President has no authority and as the documents were still classified at the time Mr. Biden's tenure as VP ended, he had no right to access the document - let alone move them to unsecured locations.

Take it from a man who has worked in government for over 20 years, who has a top secret security clearance and who is a Republican but no fan of Mr. Trump, the more egregious violations here came from Mr. Biden. Mr. Trump bypassed, as is his won't, proper procedures but the National Archives were aware that he had the papers and he did, per their instructions, keep them under lock and key. Not to mention that they were in a home protected by the Secret Service.

Mr. Biden, by contrast, at least so far as the evidence shows at the moment, took classified documents out without following procedures. Moreover, he kept them in unsecured facilities and the National Archives, until the documents were discovered by accident by Mr. Biden's attorneys - who themselves had and have no security clearances - and then this was kept secret for several months.

What implications this may have is hard to say. In total fairness, the government has a bad habit of overclassifying materials and thus more materials are secret than logic would warrant. So it remains to be seen what risks have been posed to US security.

What is perhaps the most interesting and problematic point is that many of the documents related to countries - China and Ukraine - with whom President Biden's son has had business relationships. Given the nature of those relationships - accusations of influence peddling abound - this could have serious criminal implications, including for the President himself.

As it is, the Justice Department has so far been tip toeing around most of this. Indeed, even now it is allowing Mr. Biden's private attorneys to go through the documents. Presumably they are setting aside any documents that have been marked "classified," but without FBI oversight that cannot be confirmed.

The irony in all this is that the deeper this situation goes with Mr. Biden, the less likely it is Mr. Trump - who skirted procedures, grant that he had the authority to declassify that Mr. Biden did not - will be charged with any crimes. Thus, the more trouble the Bidens get into, the less trouble for Mr. Trump.

At the end of the day, though, this is the wages of populism. Disregard for established procedures and institutions, the skirting of the law. Mr. Trump and Mr. Biden are not, philosophically all that different. Grant that Mr. Trump is a populist prone to bombast where Mr. Biden is a populist prone to peevishness.

Consequently, the nation's security has been put at risk because the rule of law is just a bit too far beneath these defenders of the common man. As a legal matter - especially given the possible involvement of President Biden's ner-do-well son - President Biden has committed the more serious offense. However, neither Mr. Trump nor Mr. Biden should be judged paragons of virtue.

[Juxtapose]

Thank you! This was informative and your experience in government is appreciated.

[Jamie05rhs]

Well-deserved MHO. I thoroughly agree with everything said here.

[nightdrot]

Thanks so much. I appreciate your kind comment.

[nightdrot]

@Jamie05rhs Thank you. I very much appreciate the compliment.

[Jamie05rhs]

You're welcome!

[exitseven]

@nightdrot Great explanation. It was so clear even I could understand it.

[nightdrot]

@exitseven Very kind of you - and funny. My hunch is you underestimate yourself. Thanks so much.

[D_Bone_Steak]

I compare it to the treatment Trump got... it's obvious that it's not fair. If you're on the right and play by all the rules, you get fucked. You get a pass as long as you're on the left. Remember Trump had authority to have his documents... this dude has his documents as VP, with his crack head kid renting the house for a year at $40K/month. Just setting around.

I kind of take issue with this because in the military I had top-secret access. I wasn't allowed to look at my own service record without supervision. How the fuck do these people just get to take shit home? WTF is really going on? I wouldn't be allowed to do that shit with some 0-2 officers shit! Like, we just allow that.

The general public are just stupid though. No nuclear codes... Trump only had info on how biden was running money through Ukraine... and most people don't even know that much because they're not even really paying attention.

[UCrayCray]

So you compare the treatment Trump got to the treatment Biden is getting?
What’s not fair exactly?
“If you're on the right and play by all the rules, you get fucked.” Taking files you had no business taking, hiding them and actively lying about it is playing by the rules in your world?
And that’s just the first two sentences. 🤦🏻‍♀️

[D_Bone_Steak]

@UCrayCray He had business taking them and declassifying them before he took them. Trump didn't hide his... he was open about it and had the feds approving the locks on them, the same ones the feds broke to get at. Yes they broke their own locks.

Please just stop because you sound like all kinds of stupid and I'm trying to be nice. Do your homework first.

[Juxtapose]

@goaded @Soteris @OddBeMe

You three usually disagree with me, what do you think of the last statement by D Bone?

[D_Bone_Steak]

@UCrayCray Remember both Clinton and Biden had documents and they didn't have the authority to... Clinton was destroying hard drives and smashing phones with hammers. Biden was a vice president and didn't have the authority to have that shit. Trump had authority... declassified them, and was obviously going to make it public... no it was not nuclear codes, it was just Biden's Burisma shit... the same shit that Biden is on camera bragging about doing in Ukraine... oh look, we're sending a shit ton of money over to Ukraine now. If you're trying to make a point then make it... otherwise look this stuff up and inform yourself.

[UCrayCray]

“He was open about it.” Well yeah! All people who are honest get their lawyers to sign letters that lie. All in the name of transparency, of course. 🙄
So Trump has files he shouldn’t and won’t give them back. You believe the feds approving a lock means they approve the possession of the files they are trying to
protect? If they can’t physically have the files, agreeing to a lock in the next best thing. C’mon man. Just think for a moment. Especially if you’re gonna call other people stupid.
You speak like you have all the information about everything, and your conclusions are unquestionable.
Trump’s lawyer won’t even suggest that the files in question were declassified in court. If it’s such a solid defence, why would they not use it? Unless, of course, declassification takes more than Jedi mind tricks to establish.
“Remember both Clinton and Biden had documents and they didn't have the authority to…” Umm…so? Does that make it okay then? Is that your argument? Or are you saying that because some have done it and gotten away with it, it should be allowed?
I think Biden should be held to the same standard as anybody else. Both his and Trump’s mishandling of these files need the same scrutiny and repercussions. The excuse that others got away with it before doesn’t fly with me. Stop letting this shit happen. Start today.
You good with that? Treating the same behaviors with the same repercussions?
How do you know exactly what files Trump did and did not have? Has it been extensively reported?
A link to that information would be wonderful, but I would like something official. Some right wing opinion piece isn’t going to cut it.
Thanks in advance

[D_Bone_Steak]

@UCrayCray He has reasons for not giving them back... he has merit and authority to them. I can tell you didn't research shit. You just hate Trump. by the way, they already tried to get Trump on it and it disappeared from the news for a reason. It's only back in the news cycle because Biden got caught doing the same damn thing and doing it worse.

How do I know? DO YOUR GOD DAMN HOMEWORK and you would know all this shit too. For reals, did you come from CNN and MSNBC and think you know it all? WTF?

I'll give you a lead... but do your damn research. You don't believe me which is great... but you will when you start looking into it.
https://youtu.be/XHhVuGCbvMM

[Juxtapose]

Tim Pool gets it 👍

[D_Bone_Steak]

Probably the best news out there right now. ... and I used to diss the guy for always leaning left. Tim Pool fucking gets it now.

[Soteris]

I think what bone said is complete bullshit. First of all, if Trump just gave back the documents and said nothing we would never have heard a whisper about the fact that he had stolen them in the first place. Let me remind you, it was Trump himself that broke that story by bitching about the FBI after he had already forced their hand.

Trump could have, and would have been let go entirely free if he just did not act like a giant baby as well as actively tried to prevent the FBI from doing their job, repeatedly and over a very long period of time.

Furthermore, Trump did not just have the authority to have those documents, especially the SCI ones and especially not after he stopped being the president. Just because you are allowed to read them does not mean you can just pick them up and put them in your pocket. Other people with the authority to read those documents would have been abducted, tortured and shot before being put in an unmarked grave along some desolate road for much less than Trump has done so spare me your tears about how Trump and republicans are unfairly targeted.

[Soteris]

Also that whole nonsense about "it being alright because they put up locks" is stupid. Both because there was not already locks and also because locks is by no means enough security even if the documents were in an authorized location, which they were not. Trump had been explicitly told to give them back, he refused. Then came the time after fucking around to find out and finding out he did.

As for Clinton or whatever destroying phones and documents? That is normal government procedure. There are specific burn bags handed out for people to properly disposing of documents according to the law and entire departments dedicated to destroying technology such as phones and hard drives. No piece of technology is supposed to leave the white house in a state where you can retrieve data from it and the same is true for most documents.

Trump also did not declassify those documents. As I have said previously, would not make it better if he did but that is besides the point because he explicitly DID NOT. Also that is not what was in those documents nor does it matter if it was. Trump still can't have them and his biggest crime here is not having them but refusing to give them back.

So yeah. A big pile of fucking garbage is all this conversation is.

[D_Bone_Steak]

@Soteris You sound full of shit and biased as all hell dude. You didn't watch the video because I hit play when I posted it and it's still playing.

[D_Bone_Steak]

Alright, video finished and you @Soteris, wrote me what, 6 paragraphs of bullshit. Shut up and do some research before you come at me bro.

[Soteris]

I posted my response before your response even appeared on my screen so of course I did not watch your video, it had not even come up. Also, why would I subject myself to whatever drawn out and boring conspiracy theory the right wing wants to peddle today?

[D_Bone_Steak]

I watched all the Hunter Biden videos and downloaded his cell phone shit when it was still up on 4chan... I think I have done more to understand wtf is going on than you armchair professors. I'm not left or right... I don't have that bias... I do see right and wrong though. Exposing your bias just puts you in a low mental category for me.

[UCrayCray]

See, that’s the problem.
You get your news digested and regurgitated out to you by someone else.
Tim Pool? I literally said “not an opinion piece.” You do know what I mean when I say opinion piece, right? I’m going to have to pass on the Pool. I can’t do 20 minutes of this guy.
Got something else?
But seriously though. Can’t you fucking people come up with something, ANYTHING, other than the tired old “you watch too much CNN” You speak like you are part if a collective. These conversations are beginning to sound all the same, regardless of who I’m talking to.

[Soteris]

I literally dont care about Hunter Biden. He is completely irrelevant to Trump and Biden as well as the presidency and the government of USA. He is just a civilian.

Perhaps you missed that fact during your "research" about the shape of Hunter Bidens penis in his dick pick?

[D_Bone_Steak]

@Soteris Watch the damn video if you're not bias... he sides with the left but he sees it for what it is.

[D_Bone_Steak]

@Soteris which dick pick or video... that dude did that shit constantly. The dude loves to record himself smoking crack and fucking hookers. Keep in mind this crack head was living where the documents were at. What the fuck do you not get about that?

[D_Bone_Steak]

This is the same guy that recorded himself smoking crack in rehab... think about that. At least Trump had his shit locked up, not by him, and by the feds themselves... while these documents were out by a vice president that didn't have authority, with his crack head kid renting the place... and most likely making some crack money off of it... that last part is my bias about crack heads. I'm just comparing it to the Trump stuff. Trump's documents were all about Biden and Hunter... WTF was Bidens documents about?

[OddBeMe]

@d_bone_steak Funny to see Trumpists defend crimes they don’t seem to mind. Yet I’m sure D bone has takes for days on Hunters laptop.

[Juxtapose]

@OddBeMe we have people here saying that the Biden documents is a non-story.

Trump has more credibility than Biden in this case but I'm not married to the idea of Trump.

[D_Bone_Steak]

@OddBeMe Not sure what you're getting at, but yeah... I've seen more than I would ever want to see 😂 I think it's all coming down... The Biden stuff will either step aside and let others take over or he'll try to keep it and his own side will eat him alive just like the right will... at least the right that isn't part of the uniparty. That's just my take on what is going down. About 2 more years... us plebs will see what is going to really happen. This is my opinion here... shit went way too far left due to Twitter being fucktarded... just an opinion though... I can't grasp much logic to sling like shit at people about that opinion.

[OddBeMe]

You think Twitter has that much power? And Trump has no access to news agencies? Lol

[D_Bone_Steak]

@Juxtapose I agree... Trump has more credibility than Biden in this case... Also not married to the idea of Trump. My opinion is he needs to move on and enjoy being rich and get out of that shit show. I'm a DeSantis guy at this point and time.

[Juxtapose]

The entirety of silicon valley was set against Trump and most of the legacy media except Fox News was hounding Trump.

[D_Bone_Steak]

@Juxtapose even Fox News went after his ass... that's why Trump started berating their ass. Trump obviously just wanted to drain the swamp... got swamped down in trying to do so by DINO's & RINO's. I mean he did try to do the border shit and bring jobs back to America, but that also wen against the D&R uniparty globalist agenda.

[Soteris]

Ahaha! Sure! Ill watch it since you asked so nicely, dont expect it to change anything though.

First impressions: Laundering money or whatever? Dont care. Not relevant to the conversation and this is not even facts, just speculations by an opinion host. But you know what? I would not be surprised if both of them were guilty of avoiding taxes or funneling money. Why? Because tax evasion is the favorite passtime of the rich in USA and bribery is literally legalized in American politics by the Republican party. I have never claimed Biden to be some paragon of virtue so would not be surprised if he also did shady dealings.

But here is the thing. The republicans have fucked with the law so much that all of this that you are pointing to is probably completely legal because of legal loopholes and whatnot. So yeah, dont care. Nothing we can convict them for since you would need to write new legislation to actually enforce the law on rich people first.

Then he jumps into the whole "They are going after Trump". Factually untrue. Trump broke that story himself and the actual problem is not really the documents themselves but the fact that Trump tries to keep them which is completely different compared to Biden so of course these two cases will be handled differently.

There is also already an investigation on how those documents ended up at Bidens place as well as who would have access to them. But again, there is a difference here. Trump actively tried to keep these documents where as it appears the documents actually ended up at Bidens through an accident and they were handed back the moment they were found. Of course, this will be investigated also but right now we have no reasons to suspect otherwise.

Then we have a bunch of nonsense where he delves deeper and deeper into pure conspiracy theory nonsense.

I especially love the conspiracy theory surrounding China and Ukraine as if they are somehow conspiring together. Complete nonsense.

[Soteris]

Then we have the whole circle jerk about Trump being "the best president" and "good for the economy" or whatnot. Complete bullshit and also completely irrelevant. What a waste of my time.

Then we have complete nonsense speculations about China or whatever, just throwing numbers around without any evidence and "just asking questions". Again, waste of my time.

As for Biden finding more documents and searching for them? Good. They should definitely do a search afterwards to see if there were any more. In fact, they have pretty much a duty to search EVERYWHERE they could possibly be including pretty much everywhere Biden has been. This is normal and shows that Biden is being responsible about this unlike Trump who did none of this.

Then we come to some good ol CNN bashing.. because this is not a total waste of my time and I totally care about any of this.

After that we have Republicans demanding to see visitor logs. As if they care, they dont. And as if it matters if some other corrupt politicians get shown supposed evidence. It won't. This is why we have actual investigations and not "political witch hunts". Sounds familiar? Its a complete waste of time and the actual investigations has full access to all existing data so yeah. Waste of my time once again, big surprise. I especially love his "Surprise" that visitor logs is not kept in a civilian home of someone not part of the government. Hey @d_bone_steak ! Can I see the visitor logs on your house for the last 6 months?

Then we have more conspiracy nonsense by mentioning things like the petro-dollar as if he understands what he is talking about. He does not. My closing thoughts? This guy is a fucking idiot.

So yeah. Can I ask a refund for the time you cost me going through this rubbish?

[Juxtapose]

Meanwhile people are saying bullshit like Trump was working with Russia when the Biden family has obvious evidence against them that they are working with the Chinese Communist Party.

[D_Bone_Steak]

@Soteris Look... if you had some document that proved the guy trying to send you to prison was actually doing the shit you're getting accused of... I wouldn't blame you for keeping them and trying to make them public. You get shut down by a raid and a bunch of hoarse shit... should I shit on you just because "left side is the best side" or some bullshit? Fuck no! You were just exposing some bullshit and they're coming after you. See what I'm saying... or you just really, really hate Trump and orange man bad with all that jazz?

[OddBeMe]

@Juxtapose please link evidence that Biden was working for the Chinese Communist party.

And meanwhile read the evidence that Trumps people were working for Russia.
www.politico.com/.../

[Juxtapose]

@OddBeMe politico is a fraudulent organization and I do not accept them as a valid source.

[Juxtapose]

I don't think we're going to come to an agreement on any of this.

[OddBeMe]

Not if you keep disregarding evidence and get lost in brand names. How about the fuckin Encycloedia Britannia.
www.britannica.com/.../Russia-investigation

[Soteris]

I have seen no evidence of Trump even attempting to make any of these documents public nor any other part of the nonsense you spout. Nor do I care. He could have done this properly. For example he could have gone through the process of declassifying this information and/or give it to an actual investigator. Trump used to be president, he can start investigations which would be the actual legal way to go about this.

Even if we get drunk, lobotomize ourselves and take everything you just said at face value this would still be vigilantism which is BAD and ILLEGAL.

[D_Bone_Steak]

@OddBeMe Wait... isn't that what you and a few others here are doing? Disregarding evidence. You fuckers just hate Trump. The facts are out there, and research will help you all... but you just keep coming back with "I don't believe that shit" with anything that's brought up. If you were me... would you keep trying? The bias is obvious to me... so, You're all a bunch of cucks... here is my middle fingers, and now go watch your girlfriend's fuck some guy. Cucks. 😂 It's seriously like trying to talk to demented retarded children. Orange man bad... okay!, I get it. But you can't give that fucking orange man a sliver of a break just because of your feelings and no facts. I don't like him either... still better than what we have now though... and you'll say "fuck no, I'm riden with Biden" like a tard. You're all just obvious bias as fuck and don't even know it... or not even aware of it.

[OddBeMe]

We do hate trump. But disregard evidence? Not that I’m aware. I personally don’t think he’s responsible, in court, for Jan 6 or the latest political shooter. I just asked questions to rile guys like you up.

But I seriously try not to ignore actual evidence. Never once have I said “I don’t believe that.” I simply disprove it with evidence.

And no, I personally dislike Biden as president. He seems ok morally, tho his sons a fckin druggie.

[D_Bone_Steak]

@OddBeMe We agree on some things. I'm going to peace out of this conversation though... I don't feel like it's going anywhere. We've established that most of us hate Trump, and only a small portion of us see that it's unfair how Trump is getting treated compared to Biden doing the same shit. Okay... I'll exit with that... knowing that Trump is already off the chopping block and Biden's head is on it now. I'm not going to cry if Biden gets ripped apart by his own party. Trump is no longer a thing... he's been accused and he's off. Biden is some right now shit and he's letting immigrants bring in a flow of drugs... tent cities are developing and we have trannies walking around everywhere... if that's your utopia... keep it... I'll gladly be the first to gas chamber this nonsense.

[OddBeMe]

Fair thee well.

Seriously, I am a huge libtard and sometimes a troll. But I try to maintain logic and reason and only consider evidence. Not YouTubers or “what people say around me…”. Lol

[Soteris]

Rarely have I seen someone as divorced from reality as you. But just because I like to see you people outraged, let me remind you that Trump is not home free from this. The investigation surrounding the documents is still ongoing and quite frankly, by looking at the updates that sometimes slips out, its not looking good for Trump.

[D_Bone_Steak]

@Soteris He's already off dude... get over it. Your "gotcha moment" is over. Not sure what you're trying to pull by bringing a bunch of people here... but you're on their side in the end, the mask has slipped, now go fuck off. Not my problem.

[Soteris]

I did not bring anyone, I was one who was brought. Also the legal case is still ongoing, its just a fact like you like to keep going on about.

[D_Bone_Steak]

@Soteris Not my problem

[D_Bone_Steak]

"@goaded @Soteris @OddBeMe

You three usually disagree with me, what do you think of the last statement by D Bone?

Reply"

fucking liar.

[Soteris]

Yeah, see my name in there? Juxtapose flagged me to come check this out. So I did. Also, facts tends to not care if you dont think its your problem.

[D_Bone_Steak]

@Soteris and... not my problem. I've fucked off already. Not my problem is my only response.

[D_Bone_Steak]

NOT MY PROBLEM

[Soteris]

Ahaha! What a typical response. Rather than deal with reality, you take off whenever you are confronted with anything that contradicts the things you so desperately want to be true. Not biased at all.

[D_Bone_Steak]

@Soteris NOT MY PROBLEM

[Soteris]

I disagree, you sound like someone with a lot of problems.

[D_Bone_Steak]

@Soteris AND... NOT MY PROBLEM

[Soteris]

Is it though? Is it reaaaally?

[Juxtapose]

@Soteris leave him be please, I think it's quite clear we are not going to come too much of a consensus here. I just wanted to see what you guys had to say.

[Juxtapose]

*to much of a

[D_Bone_Steak]

Na na na not my problem

[Soteris]

@Juxtapose Why? What part of this conversation has fostered a mutual respect between me and Mr. Bone over here? Why should I give two shits about what he wants after the absolute disdain he has shown towards me?

[D_Bone_Steak]

Not trying to be a dick... but for reals... the only thing we agree upon is that Trump sucks. That's like it. Anything that Biden has done equivalent is disregarded. How can I argue with that shit? There is simply no way to argue with anyone that won't accept that maybe such and such is reasonable... even when the long arm of the law sees it the same way. It's always..."nope, Trump sucks and Biden did nuffin wrong." Get outta here with that kind of shit. You're not convincing me of shit and put all the burden of proof on me to provide... yet provide no proof otherwise. So fuck off and die. Eat my shit. If Trump and Biden were both your kids... why the fuck would you favor one doing the same shit over the other one? Just why... unless... unless you had a favorite. Nuff said.

[D_Bone_Steak]

Your bias is exposed fucktard. What now?

[Soteris]

You think you are so reasonable huh? You think that you are the one who is providing the evidence and proof? Everything I have said in this argument has been a logically consistent and factually correct statement.

For example, I put forward the chronology of events to prove that Trump was not unfairly targeted. Judging by the conversation after wards I am not even convinced you read that. You could have disagreed if you wanted to, but its a factual statement and not only did you not disagree, you just ignored it.

In comparison, you jump from unsubstantiated claim to substantiated claim and makes huge leaps in logic to construct a narrative where the Chinese or Ukrainians or whatever funnel money through Hunter Biden or something in exchange for perhaps access to some documents or government aid by the USA in ways that makes no logical sense.

To prove this insane conspiracy theory you show me a video of a dude that is even more confused and rambly than you are that jumps from supposed facts, accusations, conspiracy theories and more which ultimately means nothing to the original claim that Hunter Biden was funneling money to Joe Biden.

This is not how you provide evidence, this is not how you argue in your favor. This is how you try push propaganda on people who are not ready and abuse their trust in your credibility. You are arguing in an intellectually dishonest fashion the same way Fox News try to twist facts and figures to their side. It is quite frankly, disgusting.

[D_Bone_Steak]

@Soteris Maybe I missed it because 3 of you fuckers were all blasting away at once? You think of that at all? I don't even like Fox and you tie me in with that... bias. You don't like Tim Pool... well sorry bro, I don't like Cenk Uygur, does that make it fair... one side sounds a shit load more logical though. I get it... Trump can't even fart without you hating it... that, is not my problem. You have a rock-solid bias and it's obvious. ... plain and simple you have two people doing the same damn thing... and you're siding against the one that had presidential rights and where it's been dropped by the legal system just to ride with Biden... it is quite frankly, disgusting.

[UCrayCray]

The point is, you don’t actually address what is being said. @Soteris has made some very good points, you fail to address any of them and chalk it up to “you just hate Trump.”
I believe his assessment of your debate style is spot on, tbh.

[D_Bone_Steak]

@UCrayCray No... none of you addressed anything I said. I pulled a source... all of you have done jack shit but be "like I don't believe that." All of you are all talk, with no sources.

[UCrayCray]

@d_bone_steak
If I linked a 20 minute Cenk Uygur video (who I don’t watch and would never consider evidence for anything but his own opinion) as source for evidence of my claim, would you consider it a legitimate enough source to commit 20+ minutes to?

[Soteris]

This is not a live conversation, being overwhelmed is not an excuse for why you can't take your time and address each person separately. You will have no sympathy from me on this.

I do not care if you like or dislike fox. You are acting like them. If you dislike fox then if anything you should understand why I dislike you in this instance.

That also goes further into your whole argument about "me not liking Tim Pool" as if that is relevant. I dont care. If what he said was true then my feelings on the man would be irrelevant. This was however not the case. He literally made no sense. He is also not a source. A source would be someone with firsthand account of some kind of evidence or fact. He was at best, reading news articles and at worst spitballing half formed conspiracy theories and hoping I would fill out the rest in my head to complete his thoughts for him. A tactic I might point out which is very common in propaganda and cults.

Tim Pool does not have any more authority on this subject than either you or me who also (I hope) take our facts from sources like news papers who oftentimes (but not always) are ACTUAL sources of information and not something regurgitated in 3rd hand.

[D_Bone_Steak]

Tim Pool has articles pulled up in his video... yes he adds his opinion on it, but it's like sources inside of a source. But you all really want me to track down articles and paste them here... that's a lot of work. Plus on top of that I know most of you well just be like "I don't believe that" as what has already been done with everything.

It's funny... trying to bang on me for not pulling up sources and... where the fuck is yours? What are you even trying to say? You wanna say Trump had the nuclear codes, then fucking prove it fuckers.

[D_Bone_Steak]

Like I said right from the start... do your own fucking homework... all 3 of you. The articles are right there in the video so go read them yourself. You'll find links to more if you do that much. But don't come here trying to bang on me to be your fucking daddies and hold your fucking hands. You're adults... do the footwork yourself, I got other shit to do.

[Soteris]

I had respected you a lot more if you just gave me those articles rather than link me to a video and expect me to dig up the articles myself. Its even quite insulting that you get offended at me expecting you to do your diligence and provide me with the actual articles because, and I quote, "But you all really want me to track down articles and paste them here... that's a lot of work"

Yes, its a lot of work. But it is specifically YOUR work so why should I have to do it? If anything I should be offended here, and I am and it also shows how little you respect the people you talk to and this topic in general. You dont actually care and it can be felt through your words.

As for the articles in question:
The first is a New York Post article, seen here;
nypost.com/.../

which is complete and utter garbage. Aside from just making personal attacks on Hunter Biden, which I could not care less about it is also blatantly trying to do a character assassination on him, which I also could not care less about. It also makes completely unsubstantiated claims about some sort of conspiracy theory regarding China.

If you remove all the nonsense not related to the classified documents the article was supposedly about then all you are left with is literally "Hunter Biden lived in the same house where there was classified documents and could theoretically have read them if he knew they existed, which we dont know if he did."

This is not a smoking gun and considering how much effort the article went through to attack Hunter Biden and frame him, the article is not a serious attempt at journalism and just a biased hit piece. Not a good start here for your supposed sources.

[Soteris]

The second article is actually much better. Granted I dont particularly like the source but credits due where its due, it actually keeps mostly to the facts but all its saying is that the staff of Biden found some additional documents after committing Bidens personal resources to search if there were more. Not much of a revelation and if anything highlights the difference between Trump and Biden where Biden actively works towards resolving the situation using his own resources.

thepostmillennial.com/breaking-five-more-classified-docs-found-in-bidens-home

Then we have a CNN opinion piece, dont really care about opinion pieces when we are talking about sources.

Then we have a Daily Mail article about House Republicans demanding visitor logs. Its an absurd demand quite frankly and its the Daily Mail so I dont expect much better reporting either. Basically, the article is a waste of time and only talks about how the Republicans demand a bunch of things as if they are actually interested in justice or the law. Laughable.

And that is it from the video. You have successfully supported your claim that Hunter Biden lived in a house with some classified documents and that the staff of Biden found 5 more documents while searching. Congratulations. Now how do this help you in your arguments?

As for my own sources. I guess I could point towards a new york times timeline of events surrounding the government trying to recover the documents from Trump:
www.nytimes.com/.../...uments-search-timeline.html

This clearly shows that Trump was given ample opportunity to comply without him actually suffering any consequences and that Trump eventually forced the governments hand in recovering the documents by force. Something that goes completely contrary to your claims that he was unfairly treated.

[D_Bone_Steak]

@Soteris I don't care if you like my claims or my opinion... I'm just thankful you did your own reading and now have your own claims and opinion. Believe it or not, this has done more to change my opinion or at least look into changing my opinion much more than all the ragging of 3 or 4 motherfuckers just ragging on me relentlessly with anti-Trump derangement syndrome.

At least now I can say, huh? Maybe I should re-read with that perspective in mind? <---That, is how to change peoples' minds.

[UCrayCray]

@d_bone_steak Let me ask you something. Did you personally read those sources referenced by Tim Pool when you watched the video yourself?

[D_Bone_Steak]

@UCrayCray Yes... That's how I know they lean a certain way. Not the way I would want if I was ultra MAGA. Did you? @Soteris has my respect for doing some work instead of just attacking me. I don't care if it didn't change his opinion much... at least it was more than whataboutism towards me. Like I said I will be re-reading... gotta get the kid to a school bus right now though. ttyl

[D_Bone_Steak]

Okay I'm reading... This is what I have in mind. These documents they have found are what they have found. Found by legal counsel he appointed, but that's just from my perspective. I'm thinking what did they not find, especially since Hunter was renting the place for 40 to 50k/month with full access to them... gee anything get sold? A legit concern in my opinion although most of you probably disagree and can't imagine a crackhead hooker fiend that masturbates on camera habitually would do such a thing. That first one was short, so they found more classified material inside of some non-classified stuff... this is what I'm wondering as a guy that had access to classified material myself... how does this stuff just go home with these people? Like I've stated, I couldn't even look at my own service record without supervision. They obviously play by different rules... and this includes all (Biden, Trump, Clinton, etc.) Again my point of contention is as vice president, he didn't have the authority to (Biden), yet had them and sat on them from the Obama days all the way until now? Amazing. Trump had authority and declassified them, but he got raided for his... even though they knew he had them? Something isn't like the other.

That's all I'm stating... was that so bad? Was that sucking Trump's cock and juggling his balls? For fucks sake... don't suffer from TDS.

[D_Bone_Steak]

Here is what I think... him appointing people to go find shit in his own place after the house switched majority is damage control. They went hard after Trump for the exact same thing, and failed, and now they're looking at the same tactics possibly being used on him. I'm not saying Trump is the God King or anything... just looking at how one situation is getting handled with kids gloves and the other is a bare-knuckle bar fight. One is not like the other... that's all. Go ahead now... bash on me for being ultra maga or something. 😂

[UCrayCray]

@d_bone_steakdo
I don’t really care at this point what conclusions you have drawn. I’m only asking if you read those sources yourself when Tim Pool referenced them.

[D_Bone_Steak]

@UCrayCray I already answered that. Yes, I did, and I just read it again and responded as I was reading it again... you'd know that if you read it. I think you're just responding to me, not reading what I already wrote, and not reading that shit yourself.

[UCrayCray]

You answered with “okay, I’m reading,” which suggests to me that you are only just reading it now for the first time.
Matters not. I got the answer I was seeking.
Good day

[D_Bone_Steak]

@UCrayCray Um okay... so you still haven't even done that much? Your assumptions are just that... I'll read it again with you if you need me to pronounce the big words for you.

[D_Bone_Steak]

I'm coming out of this with only respecting @Soteris on his perspective, I'm trying to view this from a different perspective but I'm not going to do shit with a bunch of whine baby anti-trump assholes attacking me for minut details on any and everything. Just saying. We've read the same shit (can actually read) and only want his perspective at this point... the rest of you TDS-suffering motherfuckers can see your own way out. Good day.

[UCrayCray]

Unlike you my friend, I don’t the things I read pre-digested for me. 🤷‍♀️

[D_Bone_Steak]

@UCrayCray You're not even making sense now... the door. See your way out and don't let the doorknob hit you in the ass on the way out.

[D_Bone_Steak]

https://youtu.be/pVq2MWjjJL4

I just don't understand why you're trying to defend someone like Biden... all out of hatred for Trump... get real.

[D_Bone_Steak]

I managed top-secret documents for years straight. What about taking shit home do any of you not understand? I'd like to know if any of you know-it-alls have even touched a top secret document. Bottom line is he didn't have authority as VP... prove me wrong.

[WhiteSteve]

Well, I think, first of all, that it’s safe to say that we should probably just make a rule where nobody brings classified documents out of the White House or whatever government building it resides in. I mean, holy FUCK, guys, lmfao.

Of course, I need to know much more, and probably even stuff that, like with Trump, we’ll never get answers to because they can’t disclose the nature of the classified documents in question, obviously.

I think the only similarity with Biden and Trump is really just that both cases deal with mishandled documents. I’d also say I view it much more favorably that we’re learning of all of this because Biden’s people have discovered this themselves and immediately contacted the appropriate people to get these documents into safe and proper keeping. That’s a MUCH better look than Trump, who, lest we forget, just decided to himself that these things were declassified and his property, and when he was informed otherwise, it was like pulling teeth to get them back, and he kept saying they had given it all back, then someone in his inner circle obviously tipped the feds off about the whereabouts of more, and they had to literally go get a fucking SEARCH WARRANT to get these things back. That’s bananas.

With Biden, I could very easily envision a scenario where his belongings were packed up by aides and he had no idea he was in possession of anything classified. I could also very easily envision a scenario where Biden says “oh shit…. I actually might have a few things….” (let’s remember in both guys’ cases that none of this is necessarily sinister and may just be some degree of carelessness, or specifically for Trump, just possessiveness and entitlement, or who the hell knows what other innocuous-but-weird reason, he’s a nut). And with A) heat on Trump, and B) a Republican-controlled House, somebody might come looking, and whether it’s part of the “gotcha” proof that any “Hunter’s laptop” stuff is real, or it’s just the passcode to the Vice Presidential bathroom that’s been long-since changed, it’s only going to ever be known to the public as “scary classified document” So maybe there are charges coming for Trump, and someone told him or he just knew that he should make sure his own closets are clean before that all happened. Maybe his staff screwed up. Maybe he’s an idiot. Maybe he’s shady. I don’t know, once you throw your hat into the ring of politics, I know better than to put anything past any of these people.

[Juxtapose]

Trump had full authority to declassify documents as the president.

These documents are something Biden has had since he has been vice president. Vice presidents do not have authority to declassify documents.

Simple.

[WhiteSteve]

I don’t know, man, according to this, VP’s CAN declassify.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/biden-documents/

I’m starting to disengage with all this anyway, I think I’ve had enough America for one lifetime. I have money, I can bounce to wherever, and this won’t be pig, won’t be my farm anymore. This place and these people are all fucking crazy, lmfao.

[WhiteSteve]

*my pig

[Juxtapose]

www.google.com/.../

Obama did a lot of illegal things and they're supposed to be a formal process for declassification so that would implicate Trump as well.

[Juxtapose]

*there is supposed to be

[Red_Arrow]

Your argument is based on your belief that Trump declassified the documents before taking them to Mar-A-Lago. There are a number of problems with that. First, declassifying documents requires procedures, records, and logging. All Trump has presented was his statement that any documents he took would magically be declassified. It ain't so! He has not presented any records or logs, and what he claims he did does not follow required procedures.

Further, any nuclear documents would be considered restricted data, and as such must be declassified by appropriate agency. That used to be the Atomic Energy Commission, but that has been replaced by the Department of Energy which now has responsibility for handling of restricted data, including being the organization which can declassify that data. Even the president does not have the power to declassify restricted data.

Further, Trump tried to hide the documents. Federal agents were authorized to enter and search Mar-A-Lago, and found a lot of documents that Trump had claimed he had returned. (Lies!) Trump has continued filing one legal play after another to prevent documents being returned and his being prosecuted. On the other hand, Biden's papers did not include nuclear information, and he has been completely cooperative in helping find and return all documents.

By the way, another big blunder by Trump, by claiming he declassified those documents, that would mean they are no longer secret and can be obtained by anyone wanting to file a freedom of information request, and then could be published all over the world.

[Juxtapose]

Looking into this more you are right, Biden and Trump are both guilty.

[Juxtapose]

But Biden was reckless too and of course he is cooperating, he is barely coherent and is relying on his handlers.

[Red_Arrow]

He is coherent. He makes a slip once in a while, but everyone does. Trump has teleprompters all around him, and he still screws up sometimes. But Biden is not "relying on his handlers".

[Juxtapose]

Ok now you are being ridiculous.

youtube.com/watch

youtube.com/watch

"My butt's been wiped!" After reporter asked him about reconciliation xD 24 seconds into the second video

[goaded]

They both mishandled documents that belong to the government.

But please spare us the idea that the two cases are otherwise comparable.

Volume: Last I read, the Biden documents amounted to about 20 individual pages. The Trump documents to a similar number of boxes.

Declassification: Despite having had the authority to do so, Biden is not claiming to have declassified the documents. Trump has, but provided no evidence of that and even refused in court to identify which of the documents he supposedly declassified.

Intent: Biden appears not to have returned documents that he was not aware he had and that were not missed by the National Archives. Trump intentionally boxed up hundreds of documents and refused to return them to their owners when asked, then subpoenaed, and when the FBI finally came to get them 18 months later he demanded them back.

Good faith behaviour: When the first Biden documents were found, they were returned to the National Archives immediately and searches were made for any more. When Trump was told to return his documents, he returned a few, then a few more when subpoenaed and had a lawyer sign that they had all been returned (based on his word alone), finally the FBI came and found more. To this day, Trump has still not certified that he's returned all the documents he took, and the FBI only searched one of his residences.

The dirtiest trick Republicans accuse Biden of was not to announce that the documents have been found just before the midterms. When was the first time the news broke about the documents Trump took? 18 months later? There would have been no story at all if he'd simply returned the documents when asked.

[lightbulb27]

I think we need to check our procedures and check Kamalas offices as well.

I think we should revisit the whole "Green thing"... why are they printing documents rather than signing into some device to read them? And what's the destruction policy? These people move around a lot and strikes me as the logistics to manage this stuff needs review... um it's like 2023 people... computers?

I think if we just fire these people and do a thorough analysis, hopefully we come out better. The average worker would be fired and lose their clearance, fair is fair. Try telling your boss..."oh those documents were in my car... locked in the garage. LOL... sorry charlie...

[Soteris]

I think it is a great example of how this process is actually supposed to work. As opposed to Trump who has repeatedly acted maliciously and tried to impede the investigation. Biden on the other hand has done nothing but cooperate and that is exactly how this is supposed to work.

[Juxtapose]

Wow you are so deluded.

[Soteris]

How so? What part of what I said is incorrect?

[Soteris]

Oh, dont give me that "Donald Trump had all the authority to declassify" as if that is true and as if that makes it better. It is still information that is worthy of classification AKA dangerous to USA as a nation so making the "executive decision" to risk it is just as bad as if it was still classified not to mention you still need to go through the official process of declassification if you are the president, something that Trump never did.

So yeah. You do realize why Trump declassifying them would make it worse right? RIGHT?

[Juxtapose]

I looked into it more and there is supposed to be a formal procedure to all of this so Biden and Trump are both guilty.

[Soteris]

I am entirely fine with that.

[Juxtapose]

Reasonable in my opinion.

[TheSpaceGnome]

This is one of those things I don't even care about, because one the one hand, declassifying information often informs the public of their gov's wrong doings, on the other hand though, depending on the information, it could inform enemies of our weaknesses (assuming we even have any), leaving us vulnerable. So it kind feels like whether information remains classified or not, it's a potential problem. And at that point, I adopt the "damned if you do, damned if ou don't" so who gives a shit mentality, and I just sort of ignore the blunderings or fixings of politicians, admitting no actual solution exists.

[Juxtapose]

He was vice president at the time of having these documents and did not have the authority to declassify them. It's an open and shut case.

[Juxtapose]

Trump should have gone through the formal procedure as should have Biden.

[TheSpaceGnome]

I'm not arguing whether they should or shouldn't have.

In my opinion we should vote on bills, not presidents, and it should be a pure democratic vote each time, not district based, not state based, not partisan based, and not ekectoral college based, I feel like any debate over leaders following or deviating from the current system is moot because of that.
Congress also needs term limits and min wage pay.

[TheSpaceGnome]

electoral*

[Aerissa_Jade]

Liberals and the main stream media will downplay it and act like it isn't a big deal so that those who follow them, won't think it is a issue.

Where as with Trump they kept trying to increase the severity to make it look worse than it really was.

[Exterminatore]

Agreed.

[OddBeMe]

Funny I’m seeing the opposite.

[Weapon77]

I don't exactly love it since I'm sick of our leaders fucking us over and living above us at our own expense. But I'm also thrilled that maybe, just maybe, people will start seeing that this dementia-ridden zombie used to be the devil... and kinda still is.

[Ghostykill3r]

I think it sucks that it's apparently not that hard for government officials to take and keep classified documents with no one noticing. I hope that both trump and biden are investigated properly and charged if the investigation deems that appropriate.

[LiamJHayden]

POTUS can declassify and can give permission to possess classified, so I think he and Trump both had permission - Trump rook his while POTUS and Biden took his while Obama was POTUS and had his okay. Irrespective of what the Archivist or Congress says, only POTUS has constitutional authority to give access or rescind it. Apparently Trump did not rescind it for what Biden had, nor vice versa. But for Biden the optics are worse, because he made a big deal out of Trump's having them while arguably being more careless with them.

[RealMarek]

I think Kamala and her handlers are pleased. I also think this won’t benefit the GOP, populists. This is not the DOJ suddenly doing its job or being fair. This is an internal struggle among the ruling elite.

[Apple_Cider]

I agree, because Merrick Garland would never go against Joe unless he was told to by someone higher up than Joe. Biden was nothing but a useful idiot from the day he was installed as president.

[Exterminatore]

I’d like to see all the details come out before I form a complete opinion.


Thus far I’d be of the opinion that it makes him look awful for what he did with Trump and then this coming out. Not that I’m surprised.

[purplepoppy]

It's a none news story. They found papers, went oops and called the correct people to take them away. I reckon this has been going on unreported for decades.
It's not like he deliberately stole them to sell to the Russian like trump

[Juxtapose]

This is a felony and national security risk by the sitting president and you think it's a non-new story?

Yeah, you're biased.

[adventurous-1]

was it him or did his staff mess-up? is there a chance that someone planted doc's to make him look bad? Waiting to see what turns up.

[OddBeMe]

It does bother me. Pols feeling they’re above the law. I actually like both sides are accused of it. Same as insider trading. Draw it out and shut it down.

[exitseven]

I bet the next time he has a colonoscopy they will find some more top secret documents.

[joeldalton]

I'm more concerned with why the deep state is suddenly bringing heat on him. What is their plan?

[Apple_Cider]

Because we have a Republican congress, so the Biden family is nothing but a liability to them. It's time to get rid of them.

[joeldalton]

@Apple_Cider We have a Republican house. The senate is still democrat.

[TrueConfection]

It's ok, they're democrats. Gosh the GOP is so dramatic.

[TrueConfection]

If only Congress had subpoenaed the documents... oh wait.