Russia vs Britain social media arrests! What are your thoughts?

[Juxtapose]

https://youtube.com/shorts/GTn1He86oJk?si=EnSIkaIECMiOmarE

This is what happens when you don't respect free speech..

[RolandCuthbert]

Haha! Nobody believes that crap. With everything that has been written and said about Meghan Markle in the British press for being 1/10th "Black" or whatever. No one has went to jail or even been reprimanded. The only instances I can find of social media arrests in the UK have to do with the trans community.

Stop dragging "Black" people into your shit. The UK is a sovereign nation, if you don't like it don't go there. I stopped going to Russia over ten years ago, because government officials were too corrupt.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/uk-mother-arrested-and-locked-in-a-cell-after-calling-a-transgender-woman-a-man-on-twitter/5YKPOVDBLMNJXF5MHEP4TJSJBM/

UK mother arrested and locked in a cell after calling a transgender woman a man on Twitter

Her name is Caroline Farrow. She is here being arrested.

If anyone wants to actually learn about these issues in the UK, I recommend the UK free speech sites.

https://bigbrotherwatch.org.uk/campaigns/freespeechonline/#overview

https://www.englishpen.org/campaigns/uk-free-speech/

https://freespeechunion.org/

https://www.openrightsgroup.org/

[Jackblue]

What he says is true though.
www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-merseyside-43816921
www.thetimes.co.uk/.../police-arresting-nine-people-a-day-in-fight-against-web-trolls-b8nkpgp2d

[RolandCuthbert]

@Jackblue I didn't say people didn't get arrested for twitter posts. He keep dragging "Black" folks into this discussion about the "White" race being denied rights.

As though "White" people are going to unite everywhere to rise up against the "Black" people.

The fact is most of these twitter arrests have to do with slur and insults towards trans, gays, public officials, deceased military personnel.

And gays/trans are his people.

Not mine.

www.foxnews.com/.../uk-police-british-army-veteran-arrested-anti-lgbtq-social-media-post-caused-anxiety-video

UK police say British Army veteran arrested because anti-LGBTQ social media post 'caused anxiety': Hampshire officer lectures handcuffed British veteran over Pride flag swastika meme

[Juxtapose]

This was about censorship in general, but leave it to you to make it about race 😂

[Juxtapose]

So yeah, not only are you wrong but you are race obsessed.

[RolandCuthbert]

Uhm, the youtube video you posted was about race.

And it is "your people" who are the problem.

Let's make it about "gender".

:D

www.thetimes.co.uk/.../activist-marion-millar-charged-with-sending-homophobic-and-transphobic-tweets-5293jhg6v

Activist Marion Millar charged with sending homophobic and transphobic tweets

[Jackblue]

www.dailymail.co.uk/.../...weets-England-team.html
To my knowledge nobody was arrested for a Meghan Markle tweet, but a guy was fired for one.
www.diversityinc.com/.../

[RolandCuthbert]

@Jackblue Well, folks get fired in the U. S. for racism all the time.

That has nothing to do with free speech. I have even fired folks for racist or homophobic comments.

[Jackblue]

How many people of color have you fired for anti-white comments? I hope plenty.

[RolandCuthbert]

@Jackblue?

You mean I should just fire a non-"White" person every time I fire a "White" person? That doesn't make any sense.

And uhm. . . what makes you think these dudes were "White"? I mean one of them was.

What the fuck just happened?

[Jackblue]

I'll take that as a no.

[RolandCuthbert]

@Jackblue dude you can pretend to hear whatever you need to hear. It isn’t like you are capable of rational discussion anyway.

[Juxtapose]

I don't care what kind of tweets they make, they should be free to make them without the government getting involved unless it is inciting violence.

[Juxtapose]

If you don't have a problem with how these authoritarian countries are treating free speech then you are part of the problem.

[Juxtapose]

And no, the YouTube video was about free speech.

[RolandCuthbert]

@Juxtapose Dude, you are an idiot. Are you here whining about China? North Korea? Turkey? Saudia Arabia?

Of course not. You don't give a fuck about free speech. You care about the speech you agree with.

That's all. So go back to youtube and find another video.

[Juxtapose]

If you can't understand why I care about the place I actually live more than other places in the world then I don't know what to tell you 😬

[RolandCuthbert]

Dude, you live in the United States.

[Juxtapose]

You really think that shit isn't going to spill over to the usa, don't you?

[Juxtapose]

Everybody knows Saudi Arabia is going to be dog shit now and forever. It's up to us to make sure the West is up to snuff and represents Western values properly.

[Exterminatore]

@Roland

The video was about race? No it wasn’t it’s about free speech and censorship.

All you see is race everywhere and everything on planet earth is about race.

FOLKS THIS IS WHAT BELIEVING IN INTERSECTIONALITY AND SYSTEMATIC RACISM DOES TO YOU. IT MAKES YOU SO INDOCTRINATED YOU CANNOT TELL WHAT THE THEME OR MAIN SUBJECT OF A VIDEO IS.

BE SURE TO WATCH @Juxtaposed VIDEO AND NOTE HOW @RolandCuthbert TURNED THIS INTO A RACIAL MATTER.

THIS IS WHY YOU SHOULD NOT TAKE ANY STOCK INTO WHAT THESE TYPES OF PEOPLE SAY. THEY ARE LIARS AND MANIPULATORS AND SO INDOCTRINATED THEY CANNOT TELL FACT FROM FICTION.

WAKE UP AMERICA!

[RolandCuthbert]

No. It isn't. We already meddle too much in the business of other nations. You are so fucked up that not only can you not live in a nation where folks can have a different opinion, you are now claiming the world is too small for other opinions.

That is batshit crazy times insane, taken to the fruitcake power.

People have the right to choose the type of government they want in their own fucking country. If you don't like it don't move there.

But all of this is bullshit. Because you don't give two solitary fucks about free speech.

You never did. You just care that your type of speech is free.

[RolandCuthbert]

@Exterminatore Yes it was about race. Otherwise he would have posted what the usual offense is. His mission is to gin up support. He thought race would be quick.

Usually the offense is homophobia or transphobia. That's why I went and found the evidence myself.

He doesn't do research. He does youtube. Right now, there is a serious debate about social media posting in the UK. But that's because you can be arrested for speech, period.

That is pretty standard throughout Western Europe. And it is because of their history. You Taliban freaks are too extreme for modern civilization. All of you, have issue just coexisting on this planet with other people. That's why you are dismissed as terrorists.

[Juxtapose]

@Exterminatore look at how radical he is while claiming we are the extremists! He even compares us to the Taliban and terrorists.

Notice how quick he is to assume I am acting in bad faith as well. That's a classic sign that a person is themselves acting in bad faith and are projecting.

[Juxtapose]

I will add that I have never been arrested and I have never gotten into a physical fight with people because I know how to talk. The worst anyone has gotten from me is a tongue-lashing, but I guess that makes me a terrorist 🤣

[Juxtapose]

"That is pretty standard throughout Western Europe."

Yeah Roland we know, we know you love how tyranny is normalized in Europe and you desperately wish you could silence us the same way they silence others.

[Lliam]

Britain and the commonwealth countries are oppressors. There are other countries who are also terrible - N. Korea, China, Israel, gulf states, ...

What cracks me up is the way Brits, Canadians and Australians act superior and bitch about constitutional freedoms in America while celebrating their own lack of freedom. Those nanny-state loving slaves can fuck themselves.

[Lliam]

Thanks for the MHO, buddy.

[Juxtapose]

🎉🎂🎉

[Jacadia]

They are too dumb to see we are becoming fascist also the news is all liberal and one sided. History books were changed by the people behind this so most don't even learn true history especially about slavery which every nation on earth has had since Bible times.

[Jacadia]

in what way and why do minorities move here if that is the case?

[TrueConfection]

All these anti free speech people have been taught that they are not responsible for or in control of their own feelings, only for other people's feelings.

[Juxtapose]

This is a really good way of putting it actually.

[TrueConfection]

Thank you for the MHO ❤

[Juxtapose]

😎👍

[Jacadia]

Just like the nazis

[genericname85]

free speech doesn't exist in social media. if you don't say something that gets you arrested in your own country but they don't like it, they will just delete what you said.

heck they can even silence a sitting president of the united states of america. social media and free speech don't mix. you can only say things that are within their narrow permissable opinion corridor or else you'll be shadow banned, your reach will be limited, your posts deleted or your account terminated.

it's private companies after all. they can do what they want.

[Juxtapose]

Yeah the Twitter files completely nullifies your argument. All this censorship that has been going on has been orchestrated by the government behind the scenes, this was not initiated by private companies. They were doing it at the behest of the government.

I was saying this a while before the Twitter files but people didn't fucking believe me.

[genericname85]

can you briefly explain how the fact you just stated "completely nullifies my argument"?

[Juxtapose]

These companies ain't private, they are married to the government as one.

[Juxtapose]

And without pressure from the government this selective censorship would have never happened.

Also think of your activity online like your activity on your phone. Would you be cool with your telecommunications company censoring your call because you said some naughty words? Or had a political message the government didn't like?

[genericname85]

so did that invalidate my argument that there's no free speech on social media?

[Juxtapose]

Well also how these social media companies are operating is illegal. They are acting as publishers while having the protections of platforms.

So yeah, the current state of affairs is incredibly corrupt and highly illegal while also being antithetical to what the founding fathers envisioned for this country.

[genericname85]

or did that invalidate any of my descriptions of how social media behaves around opinions outside the narrow acceptable corridor?

[Juxtapose]

The whole "muh private company" isn't going to fly forever.

[genericname85]

my point is that you good sir must choose your words more wisely if you wanna be taken seriously. you can't just say that something "completeyl nullifies someones argument", when in fact most of it was perfectly aligned with what they niitially said and it's just one dtail you disagreed with. and upon me pressing you on that issue, you dodge and evade. that's not good manners and not a good way to have a civilized conversation in which your conversation partner is gonna take you seriously.

do you think these companies didn't have the choice to "not let government officials tell them what to do"? don't you think maybe that was just "the more profitable option for them" so they did that?

[Juxtapose]

Do you really think these social media companies had a choice when we live in a reporious oligarchy? Come on dude 🤣

And no I still stand by my argument, the social media companies do not have the right to do what they do and it is unsustainable. I refuse to acknowledge their ability to censor because it is completely illegitimate and not how things are supposed to work.

[Juxtapose]

Nice try though.

[Juxtapose]

And besides, they are not private entities anymore when the government gets involved as much as it did so I was right the entire time. Maybe it's you who should be more honest?

[genericname85]

these companies ARE the oligarchy you're talking about. they're not "victims of the oligarchy we all suffer from".

and you can still stand by your argument. that however doesn't take away from the fact that you saying " that completely nullifies someones argument" was a horse shit generalizing statement ignoring the vast majority of what i said that you actually did agree with.

[genericname85]

i don't know what you thought i was "trying" xD are you talking with yourself or something? you're just not acknowledging the fact that you agree with me when i say that social media censors opinions. that was part of my argument and you said that "my argument was completely nullified" by your statement of fact, which is objectively bullshit, cause you don't even disagree with everything i said.

[genericname85]

your correct initial reply should have been: "i mostly agree with what you said, i just don't think that these companies are doing that in their function as private companies. instead i think that they are rather influenced by governmental entities". that would have been the correct way to state your disagreement without acting as if everything i said was completely false in your opinion, which it actually wasn't. so yeah. may be take that as good advise for future conversations you may have or go fuck yourself :D i don't care. there's nothing left to say in this conversation. so cheers man.

[Juxtapose]

Hahaha 🤣

[Levin]

Please remember this in the context of the figures recently that the UK police solves something like only 4% of all burglaries.

The West is certainly very hypocritical.

And who'd want to bring a child into this world?

[monorprise]

Anyone who does not respect free speech, does not beleive in the validity of their own ideas. Only their own hold on power

[Exterminatore]

The Brits like being thought police and controlling speech. Another nation, once great, now brought low by Woke philosophy and Intersectionality.

[jshm2]

That's nothing.

More women are raped, killed or both in the USA alone, than in Saudi Arabia. Yet it's Saudi Arabia that's claimed to be "anti-women"

https://ncadv.org/STATISTICS

[Juxtapose]

You do realize they only recently got the right to drive there, right? And more men get raped in the United States than women get raped in the United States because of our wonderful prison system.

[Leopard23]

In Saudi Arabia its not ilegal to rape your wife. No rape victim would come forward in Saudi Arabia because of the shame if a cousin raped them.
To show Saudi Arabia's attitude to rape it wasn't that long ago that a muslim cleric accused his 5 year old daughter of not being a virgin, then he beat her, then he raped her and then he murdered her and burnt her body. He was given a fine, like he'd been caught speeding.

[Leopard23]

@Juxtapose Saudi Arabian women still need their husband's permission to leave the house so how do they drive if their husband won't let them?

[Juxtapose]

@Leopard23 don't get a man I guess?

[Leopard23]

@Juxtapose then you are under control of your father.
The attitude in most Muslim countries is that if a woman is outside on her own unescorted by a male relative it's her fault if she gets gang raped.

[Juxtapose]

@Leopard23 what kind of weapons can you carry around in Saudi Arabia?

[Leopard23]

Not sure. But women last year were allowed to train with guns provided their husband's or fathers allow it

[Chazmatazz269]

Well as long as we’re posting nonsensical non sequitur, more men are killed in the US than women and this is supposedly a “patriarchy”. Ell oh ell! Do you ever apply critical thinking to the crap that you say or write?

[Lliam]

Of course, Saudi Arabia has 1/10 the population of the U. S. And women aren't allowed to go outside without male escort.
Also, how many Saudi women are raped or murdered by family members? How many of those cases get reported to the authorities? In fact, how many Saudi women would report any rape in light of the fact that it could get them stoned to death.

But leave it to a Brit to deflect attention from their shit government by trying to compare the U. S. with the anus of the world, Saudi Arabia.

[Jacadia]

But rape is not illegal in many middle east nations if your working there and raped no police comes and the islam govt blames the woman not the man.

[Leopard23]

@Jacadia I agree. There's instances of women reporting rape to the police only to be raped by the police

[Jacadia]

That's ecause they ha e 40omillion people from around 5he globe and many illegals coming in are criminas

[TheSpaceGnome]

Free speech versions of social media exist, they are however unpopular, because most people think their opinion matters, and everyone else's should be silenced.

[Juxtapose]

It doesn't really matter when your own government will arrest you for what you say.

[TheSpaceGnome]

Well at that point you either move to another country, or as a country reastablish a new government.
I'd personally move if it cane to that for self preservation reasons.

[TheSpaceGnome]

came*

[Juxtapose]

Britain is in pretty bad shape right now.

[TheSpaceGnome]

I mean its a monarchy, when was it ever in good shape?

[Jacadia]

That makes them fascist

[Pohjolan]

Russian government outright kills people for false opinions.

Read some of Anna Politkovskaya's books.

She saw what was coming, spoke the truth and had to die for it.

[goaded]

No they don't. Russians who mistakenly disagree with the government simply also mistakenly think they can fly and tend to fall out of windows.

[NostalgiaSenpi]

Geez. Lotta crazy shit now. I don't think I'll be going to the UK anytime soon

[LimitedBenefits101]

Lmao the old man face when the other guy said 3300😂😂

[AngryCarl2]

Sorry but to me he's just another lying Russian. And he didn't mention all the people Putin murdered or sent to the gulag.

[Juxtapose]

It sounds like to me that you don't want to acknowledge how bad Britain has become. Perhaps before criticizing other countries for being authoritarian, we should clean up the West first.

Yes, I remember the story of that lady who is silently praying in front of an abortion clinic and was hauled off by the police. Britain does not have free speech.

[Juxtapose]

*was silently

[AngryCarl2]

Certainly, but you're giving Russia a free pass while bitching about the UK. I have to think your outlook is coloured by your own agneda

[AngryCarl2]

*agenda
stupid dyslexia!

[RACSKC0B]

@AngryCarl2 don't beat yourself up, I'm sure you put the "sexy" in dyslexia, no one else noticed.

[Lliam]

@AngryCarl2. Your sources?

[AngryCarl2]

@Lliam Common sense.

[Juxtapose]

Nobody expects Russia to be the good guy. Before we start pointing fingers it is best to clean up our own rooms is it not?

[AngryCarl2]

He is the one pointing fingers.

[Lliam]

How many millions has the British empire murdered around the world in places like Ireland, China, Africa and India? Same with the U. S.
And where is the evidence of "Putin's" atrocities? The west makes Assad out to be a mass murderer, too, which is laughable.

[AngryCarl2]

@Lliam I don't find either Putin or Assad funny. You had to go way back in history to find Britain's crimes. That's weak what-aboutism.

[Lliam]

Where do you get your information, TV?

[AngryCarl2]

@Lliam I hardly watch TV. Most of my info comes from trusted sources on YouTube and the web.

[bean2k21]

The Brits are a lot more violent and vulgar than the Russians.

[Jackblue]

Russia of course punishes people more severely, but it is still shocking.

[Guy13]

Yikes….