Jane Fonda under fire for suggesting murder could combat new abortion laws. Do you agree or disagree with Jane Fonda?

[SolitarySolace]

‘The View’: Jane Fonda Under Fire After Suggesting “Murder” Could Be A Way To Combat New Abortion Laws - www.msn.com/.../ar-AA18ttM7?ocid=sapphireappshare

Yes, I agree that murder is a good way to combat new abortion laws

No! That's murdering to promote murder!

[BeMuse]

The primary objective of the "Negro Project" (Planned Parenthood) was to control and eventually eliminate the Black population. That objective is still alive in the Democrat party today. The Democrat party that founded the KKK is still running the party and financially supporting the Nazis in Ukraine and eugenics projects against minority populations. With Republicans moving away from abortion in red states saving the lives of minority babies, Democrats feel the need to amplify their efforts to control and eliminate the Black population in blue states. It's pretty simple really. They want Black people dead one way or another. So they are doing things like introducing bills in Maryland to prevent anyone under the age of 25 from being charged with felony murder. They know Blacks have a long history of murdering each other over territory in urban areas over the drug trade and other criminal territorial disputes. Thus they are trying to reduce legal barriers so that it happens more frequently in Black cities like Baltimore. It's easy for anyone with a brain to see the true motive of Democrats, yet 90% of Blacks still vote for them. Crazy as hell...

https://mgaleg.maryland.gov/2023RS/fnotes/bil_0000/hb1180.pdf

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/03/democrat-lawmakers-introduce-bill-preventing-anyone-25-under-from-being-charged-with-felony-murder/

[BeMuse]

All over the place, Republicans are trying to slow the murder rate of minorities, yet Democrat propaganda has Black people thinking the opposite and actively fighting against Republican efforts. For example Jackson, Mississippi has the highest murder rate in the USA. Jackson Mississippi is also the second Blackest city in the USA. So Republicans want to curb that murder rate, but Democrats are actively resisting those efforts and Blacks are crying about it on Tiktok like morons because they actually believe the Nazis in the Democrat party are working to help them. Crazy as hell...



rumble.com/...crow-coming-back-to-mississippi.html

[molonski2]

I don't agree with murder , but killing an unborn is murder , a murder that the mother to be will never ever get over , anything that stops the ludicrous idea of " my body my decision " that's just total and utter BS..

People need to understand that a child is not just an inconvenience , its a living being..

[goaded]

Because you know exactly what it's like to be pregnant.

[molonski2]

Sadly I do , a very good friend of mine at the time 20s something , I had one child already , fell pregnant , was pushing the usual line , she aborted the unborn , she never recovered and years later took her own life , with the paperwork from the abortion firmly held in her right hand at the time of death.
Then , I have of course been though pregnancy with my then wife , twice , including a breach birth , and I of course attended both births and anti natal classes , incredible 9 months. ( x 2 )
Also I was support person for a friend ( the entire 9 months ) and attended the birth , as her support , I was not the father , nor was I the boyfriend.
I know all about pregnancy and all the various emotions , up and down , and the process of giving birth.
Thankyou.

[Exterminatore]

@goaded

Because he needs to be pregnant or able to give birth to value human life?

[molonski2]

@Exterminatore Thankyou. Yes biological factors , do not allow me to carry a child , abortion is not about going full term , its about emotional and financial ( sadly ) .

[Exterminatore]

Molonaki2

👍👍

[goaded]

@Exterminatore "Because he needs to be pregnant or able to give birth to value human life? " No, but I doubt his reasonableness when he claims abortion is "a murder that the mother to be will never ever get over". No women? Not ever? Not to mention murder implies personhood and a single cell is not a person.

Especially as a huge proportion of abortions are essentially inducing a missed period.

[molonski2]

@goaded okey , thanks for your input , like a mirror , I will look into it..

Good luck.

[Exterminatore]

@goaded

Where are you getting a single cell from. Most abortions are not morning after, which would be before the cells start to divide.

This is where abortion and anti abortion advocates sharply disagree. The abortion crowd wants to play word games with terms like fetus. “It’s alive…it has a heartbeat…. but it’s only a fetus so kill it.”

I as do most antiabortion advocates hold that life begins at conception. That this is not a woman’s rights issue as no one has the right to murder.

What I find most disturbing about this whole matter is not even the playing of word games, but rather the barbaric methods used in abortion. Can you seriously tell me that dilating a woman’s vagina and essentially using garden sheers to hack a baby limb from limb and pulling the parts out is a good thing? Or as a baby is literally being born, using scissors to puncture the skull and a vacuum cleaner like devise to suck the brains out is good.

The Nazis played games with words. The Jew, the Gypsie, the Slav - all subhumans and fit for the flame. Why, no…those aren’t humans…. they’re subhumans. Similar at a humanoid rat. Same with the disabled. They were defined as “lives not worth living” and murdered. This very same concept has been applied to abortion. Why no…those are not lives. And we have made God of women bestowing on them to have the right to choose who lives and dies.

And what about that examination of the urine of aborted fetuses after a certain stage of development have determined they do feel pain? Well…it’s just a fetus, so screw it’s pain while we basically subject it to costic chemicals to burn it alive in the womb.

I can’t understand how anyone thinks these things are acceptable.

[goaded]

@Exterminatore Well, you've hit on the main problem in the abortion debate, because words and their meanings matter.

You: "The abortion crowd wants to play word games with terms like fetus. “It’s alive…it has a heartbeat…. but it’s only a fetus so kill it.” "

Then: "I as do most antiabortion advocates hold that life begins at conception."

Only one of those views (ignoring the spin you've put on them) is extreme, and it's yours.

There's nobody advocating for the right to terminate a problem-free pregnancy at 9 months, which would be the other extreme. Abortions performed late in a pregnancy are usually because the fetus or the woman has deadly serious medical problems.

I believe it's reasonable to at least to have the chance to choose the life of a grown woman over an unborn, especially if the alternative is both dying.

I believe it's reasonable to allow people to manage end-of-life decisions for their next of kin who have no higher brain functions or are on the brink of death. Turning off a life support machine isn't considered murder, and nor should an abortion be.

I believe murder is the unlawful killing of a person.

I believe the ONLY discussion worth having on this subject is when personhood is gained (and lost).

Now, explain why your beliefs should trump mine.

[supercutebutt]

It sounds like Jane got your snowflakey panties in a serious bunch. :)

[Slingblade1126]

The question seems pretty straight forward to me. Sounds like you're the one that's triggered.

[OlderAndWiser]

Jane Fonda is an ignorant bitch who deserves no respect.

[WindAtMyBack]

I've never agreed with her about anything other than staying fit. I'm really surprised she's still alive. She must have some good body guards because she sure as hell needs them.

[goaded]

Why do you think she should need bodyguards? Because people who don't like what she says might try to kill her?

[WindAtMyBack]

@goaded
Do you live in a cave? Of course that's why. But it's not just what she's said but what she did. She will never ever be forgiven. I am seriously surprised she's lived this long.

[NamerOfStars]

Come talk to me after you've firebombed SS headquarters, Jane.

[goaded]

“She’s just kidding … They’ll pick up on that and just run with it. She’s just kidding.”

[Wallythewalrus]

Who said that? As far as I know, it was Joy and Fonda just looked at her, never agreed with what Joy said. She didn't double down either. Was she kidding? I don't know, I'm not a mind reader but what you posted doesn't mean much, Jane never said it. She later made a statement but of course, that doesn't mean much either.

[Slingblade1126]

@Wallythewalrus You could make a pretty convincing argument she did "double down". She said "murder" twice, obviously looking for cheap applause. Was she kidding? Like you basically said, only she knows. I'm thinking she probably wouldn't lose sleep if pro-lifers were being murdered.

[Exterminatore]

@slingblade1126

None of those people would be upset in the slightest if pro-lifers were being murdered.

Hell, I’m absolutely positive if Biden started rounding up all the conservatives and especially Trump supporters, and threw them on box cars and threw them into ovens, many would sit tacitly by, but most would cheer.

After all, Trump and his supporters and pro-lifers are all Nazis to them and what could be wrong with killing Nazis?

I seriously believe they think that way. That if they could, they would launch a second Holocaust against anyone with conservative ideals.

None of these people had one word to say when mobs were roaming the streets of America in the summer of 2020 committing violence at will and arson and theft. “Hey…let’s go burn down that guys business who had noting at all to do with George Floyd.” “Let’s go steal a TV to get justice for George Floyd…and to make our living room nicer.”

These people were applauded for doing this. No reason to think they wouldn’t cheer if they started putting Trump supporters or conservatives in front of firing squads and in gas chambers.

[Wallythewalrus]

@Exterminatore

[Wallythewalrus]

@Exterminatore They already had the round up. Hundreds of Trump supporters had their doors busted in throughout the country and were thrown in the federal pen. Why? Because they didn't have a permit to protest. If that isn't a waste of resources and overreach of the government, I don't know what is.

[Exterminatore]

@wally

That’s a good point. Also, yes, huge waste of federal resources.

[goaded]

@Exterminatore Ah, so you feel you can speak for massive numbers of people with authority, now? "None of those people would be upset in the slightest if pro-lifers were being murdered." Bullshit, murder is bad, everybody agrees.

@wallythewalrus How have you managed to convince yourself that Jan 6th insurrectionists have been charged and convicted "Because they didn't have a permit to protest"? Why don't you look at the actual charges and convictions, which range from obstruction of an official proceeding to seditious conspiracy.
eu.usatoday.com/.../

Nearly 500 pleaded guilty, 58 have been found guilty in criminal trials. Just one has been acquitted.

[goaded]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9aUaYuPZJk

It's amazing how many people can't tell the difference between a joke and being serious. Of course the presenters are just pretending they can't, just like they've pretended Trump was good president while saying in private things like "There isn't really an upside to Trump."

[Slingblade1126]

So you are a mind reader? You know it was just a "joke"? This is actually a stupid argument to even be having but don't pretend like you know what she was thinking. All you know is that you THINK it was a joke.

[Wallythewalrus]

Most charges and convictions have been for misdemeanor trespassing and illegal parading on the Capitol. They could have mailed the citations with a court date.

[goaded]

@Wallythewalrus They probably did.

@slingblade1126 A good indication is if everybody laughs in an audience that probably isn't carrying guns. Go ask everyone in the audience if they thought she was joking.

[Slingblade1126]

First of all, there was a mix of laughter and cheering. Then she repeated the word "murder", so everyone could hear and I'm guessing get a huge round of applause. Secondly, now you're saying the crowd was full of mind readers?

[goaded]

@Slingblade1126 No, I'm saying the audience was full of reasonable people who can tell when someone's making a joke. The sort of people who don't watch Tucker Carlson because, as argued in court by Fox News, no reasonable person would believe what he says is factual, so why would they watch him?

[Slingblade1126]

You just have to keep throwing Tucker into this, don't you? Tucker has absolutely nothing to do with what Jane Fonda said. Now you're trying to get into the minds of those in the crowd? Look, you don't know what was in Jane's mind when she said it, you have no clue what was going through the minds of those in the crowd when she said it. A few people laughed, some cheered. What does that mean? Also, what jury said they're "reasonable people"? It started out with you saying she was kidding, because Joy said she was. Now it's trickled down to the reaction of the audience. None of which actually know. I know one thing, Jane wasn't laughing and appeared to be surprised that people were.

[Exterminatore]

@goaded

Left wingers in America are fairly militant as a whole.

In the summer of 2020 we had nation wide riots here. During those riots there were many cases of theft, arson, assault and battery, even murder. Meanwhile the Democrat politicians that ran these states and cities sat back and let it all happen and cheered and applauded them.

We already saw what happens when the leash is taken off many of these people and they are allowed to do as they please. We also saw what happens to anyone who tries to defend their property or the property and lives of others. Plenty of political witch-hunts afterwards, to include Rittenhouse.

What did any of those businesses or people have to do with George Floyd. Not a damn thing. Yet stealing big screen TVs and beating up anyone who tries to protect their property was apparently declared just as I have seen no harsh criticism of those who did this and essentially authorized it.

Do you think I believe someone who thinks burning down another persons business and stealing their property equates to justice would think twice about murder. Do you think that I think the politicians who allowed these mobs to run the streets, jeopardizing everyone’s safety have any objection to political murder? Some of these same people justify beating up anyone wearing Trump hats because their supposedly Nazis. So that makes it ok.

You seriously think these people take serious objection to political murder? I know they don’t.

[goaded]

@Slingblade1126 It's because Tucker Carlson represents Fox News, he's their second highest rated host, and there are court documents documenting how he and other Fox hosts lie to their audience (you). Why should we expect other hosts to be any different?

"Jane wasn't laughing and appeared to be surprised that people were." Bullshit.

[Slingblade1126]

I don't watch Tucker. I actually think he is as bad as you when it comes to peddling opinion as fact. You have absolutely no clue whether Fonda was kidding but you wanna pretend that you do. Just say it, you don't know! You don't have to keep bringing Fox News and Tucker Carlson into it to help change the topic.

[goaded]

@Slingblade1126 Really? OK, maybe I don't. But I thought it was a harmless joke, athough I'll usually err on the side of thinking good of people over thinking evil absent good reason not to.

Why do you think Fox and Friends aren't lying? They were pretty pissed off at the Fox News people destroying their false narrative in 2020.

"Hannity and Steve Doocy attacked the reporting from their colleagues on the so-called “straight news” side of the network. “‘News’ destroyed us,” Hannity complained. “Every day,” Doocy replied. “You don’t piss off the base,” Hannity said. “They don’t care. They are JOURNALISTS,”"
edition.cnn.com/.../index.html

[Slingblade1126]

Go tell people that care. I don't need you or any news network telling me how or what to think. You obviously have an unhealthy obsession with Fox. You've continuously brought it up when it has NOTHING to do with the topic. Ask your own question about it and discuss it.

[Slingblade1126]

"A harmless joke". Only a left wing nut job can talk about people being murder and have it thought of as being "harmless".

[goaded]

@Slingblade1126 Well, we didn't think this was "harmless":

"Shortly before the Mesa event, Trump had pledged to kill the families of suspected terrorists to deter them from attacking America. "When you get these terrorists," Trump said, "you have to take out their families."

O'Reilly, at the event, asked Trump if he was serious. According to Lizza, Trump said yes — and the crowd roared their approval:"
www.vox.com/.../trump-terrorist-family-appeal

[Slingblade1126]

I didn't think it was harmless. Apparently, you think what Fonda said was. Oh, if Fox News fails to change the subject, use the old stand by, Trump? How long until you call me a racist?

[goaded]

@Slingblade1126 I don't know, are you? It's good that you didn't think Trump's comments weren't harmless, but it's still troubling that you can't see that Fonda's joke wasn't, even after she said she wasn't serious. Trump, on the other hand, said he was serious about killing innocent family members.

[Slingblade1126]

I think you meant to say Fonda's supposed joke WAS harmless? If it was a joke, then no, it isn't harmless. I believe she didn't mean to say it but that doesn't mean she doesn't mean it. She just wouldn't be the one killing people. Murder isn't a joke under any circumstance.

[goaded]

@Slingblade1126 Thinking that an 85 year old woman or anyone on the left is going to start gunning down anti-abortion politicians because of her joke (or even their policies) is a joke. (And yes, I did mean "was".)

[Slingblade1126]

Wow! You THINK murdering people is a joke. That's fine. I'm not gonna make a career out of this dumb argument. I remember, you're the guy that hates being blocked during a back and forth, because you need to get the last word.

[goaded]

@Slingblade1126 Well, it's hard to let lies like "You THINK murdering people is a joke" stand.

[Wallythewalrus]

So then you don't think it was a joke?

[Slingblade1126]

So was it or wasn't it a joke?

[goaded]

@Slingblade1126 @wallythewalrus Come on guys, even you must understand the difference between joking about murder and thinking murder is a joke, surely?

[Wallythewalrus]

I personally wasn't offended by what she said and take it with a grain of salt. All I know is @slingblade1126 missed his sky diving class last night because of this back and forth.

[Slingblade1126]

@Wallythewalrus More like a grain of cocain!

[Exterminatore]

Hanoi Jane at it again. Send her to Vietnam. She’ll be happier in the workers paradise there.

[slatyb]

She wasn't serious.