if you are a trans man you are BIOLOGICALLY a woman.. if you are a trans woman you are BIOLOGICALLY a man. These are facts. Not to say you can't identify as one or the other. You definitely can.
But when you are getting into things like surgery and hormone blockers. I believe thats the choice you should be allowed to make When you are an adult and your brain is fully developed.. and you know the facts and can make an informative decision. Kids change their minds all the time and are easily influenced.
Although you identify as a woman or a man at that point. BIOLOGICALLY your make up is STILL What gender you were born into. Despite of the surgeries you have had. Or what you ideally identify as.
So when you get into things like sports there should be a separate teams for trans woman and trans men. Just like there are separate teams for woman and men. BIOLOGICALLY men are stronger than woman. So even though they are trans woman they will still be BIOLOGICALLY stronger than trans men.
As bathrooms goes trans men and trans woman should have separate bathrooms. Just like men and woman should have separate bathrooms. For me personally I would find it very uncomfortable if a trans woman was undressing in the changing room I was in. (Yet of course if the surgery was so good I could not tell at all. Then I wouldn't think anything of it)
It's also confusing for emergency workers. If they get a call from dispatch, they say they have a man who fainted. Then emergency response workers can't figure out why his blood pressure is so low. Then to find out he's a trans man (female to male) and he (she) is on her period so he (she) is losing blood. He (she) is still BIOLOGICALLY a female. Emergency response teams need to know all of this information to give the proper treatment. (This actually happened)
No. Biologically there are no genders. Biologically biology biologizes bullshit and results in a person.
How to explain this.. Biology is pretty much by design a flawed system that has been running and making mistakes since literally life first began here. Biology does not deal in absolutes like that. Even if we were to, through an act of literal God, implement a two gender absolute that would still not work since biology AND evolution would spend no time at all fucking that up until it became a mess.
On the simplest level this works both in terms of genetics, which can will fuck up frequently. Meaning you will have genetic defects or mutations constantly. Secondly, biology is flawed as I have said. This also takes into account you growing up. Biology will constantly fuck up your biological makeup even if you technically have the correct "blueprint" AKA DNA. That means that you will have plenty of defects simply from growing up ontop of the defects to your DNA.
Biology does not care about any of this, in fact evolution depends on it. As long as you are a viable individual, meaning you did not die from it and can have a child, biology is perfectly happy with whatever genetic/biological freak you become.
Because of these constant errors (and other things) everyone is a collection of both "female" and "male" traits. Your "Biological gender", if you want to call it that, is simply what arbitrary set of traits you have the most of. Now, this works pretty well for most day to day conversation until you run into an exception like a married father going to a hospital and finding out he has a fully functional uterus or, indeed, transgender individuals. But just because we find it a useful imagination to live in does not mean "biological gender" is a truth of this universe. Because its not.
As long as you continue to insist on such silly things as "biological gender" where there objectively isent such a thing we will as a result continue to make basic mistakes such medical problems or arguing about whichever toilet someone is allowed to use. These are not problems of transgenderism or whatever, its the problems of a traditional male/female gender ideology which is yet another reason why it should be relegated to the dustbin of history.
You are delusional
And not just on this topic either
I don't think you know a lot about science and facts huh
Well then, prove me wrong. Prove to me that Biology even has the capability to create an absolute state of two genders.
You're living in a fantasy world
Use that thing in between your ears. Please.
"Biologically there are no genders." ROFL
"Prove me wrong"? No. Here's why. “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” -Mark Twain
All Soteris proves is that a brain is not required to make noise.
More fucking nonsense from the village idiot.
@Lliam Amen to that.
This is just liberal nonsense.
Use that thing in between your ears, okay?
I’ve learned not to argue with the mentally ill.
You’ll never convince them.
All you people are doing is proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that you have never actually studied biology or even philosophy for that matter.
I am sure that in your mind you have simply reduced this topic to believing that XY is male and XX is female and that somehow that is biologically ordained. Its not. First of all, evolution does not give a crap about keeping an XY and XX pairing. It is perfectly happy to add remove "genders" as shown in other animals that has different "gender" chromosomes combined with the fact that the male chromosome is probably going to get removed by evolution in the future.
Again, biology does not have genders. It literally could not care as long as it works, and it will make whatever happens if the "male" chromosome disappears also work.
I mean, its fucking clear that I know more than all of you idiots combined on this subject at this point but the question is, do I have enough crayons to explain to you all what the difference between a social construct is and what reality is? Genders is something we literally came up with to explain what we believe was reality. Reality is by no means limited by our, literally prehistoric, beliefs on what it should be.
It is like a caveman thought the earth was flat because he did not see it curve as he walked around and now today you idiots are still defending the belief that the earth is flat. Shameful really.
Yeah, Soteris, there is no reality. It's all made up. The fact that hominids procreate via sex between males and females is all made up. It's is a scam by transphobic cave men. Thanks to "woke" activists like you for enlightening us all.
Sounds like Kamala Harris word salad to me.
Sotaris you can’t convince these people. They can’t possibly understand lol.
@ChefPapiChulo And you understand what exactly, Chulo? We can choose to "name" XX or XY whatever we want. That's not the point. The point is the difference in them reproduces the human species, at least for now and as far back as we can do.
"Gender" has been the word associated with male and females for ages, but arguably it's a linguistic misnomer. The conservatives are arguing to keep it that way, while liberals point to it being a social construct. While they argue about it, people's right to exist gets trampled, and that too, is a far more important point than is being talked about.
@loveslongnails lol no one cares what conservatives think. They’ve lost the culture war and are grasping for air.
@ChefPapiChulo NO ONE cares? Really? Tell that to the pregnant woman in Texas who couldn't get an abortion even though the fetus she was carrying had a fatal disease. The conservatives that "no one cares about" have been passing Fascist laws in states all across the USA, so they are FAR from losing the culture war. All of America is "losing" because of them.
@loveslongnails you have a trouble understanding words. No one cares what conservatives think because what they think is losing. And they might be able to pass silly laws in some states but overall they are losing the culture war.
And don’t put quotation marks around a single word because if you do that I won’t read a single word you write.
@ChefPapiChulo Quotation marks are for emphasis, and I don't write according to your specifications. You can read it or not. The fact that you think these laws are merely silly proves that you have no clue how much damage they do, and will do, or where it's leading to. It doesn't matter if their thoughts are wrong or they're in the minority - they're passing laws that are fucking up people's lives and this country as a whole. That matters.
Quotation marks are for emphasis,
No they aren’t.
@loveslongnails Naming the XX and XY chromosomes is even more stupid. Again, these instructions are not really followed that closely during the creation of you and your body. It is just a part of what actually makes you grow into your "gender" and as such, through your own display of ignorance, you have defeated your own argument.
You keep gravitating towards the chromosomes because in your mind, they are simple. They are not, but that is besides the point because they are not actually ultimately responsible for what happens with your body. If you want a hint of how easily you can "defeat" your own XY or XX chromosomes, just consider puberty blockers and hormone treatments. It is trivially easy to push your body one way or another because its not hard coded as you appear to think.
@Lliam Yeah, congratulations on failing biology class.
This is the most hilarious explanation of "science" I've ever heard. LMAO. Besides the point, we were talking the development of a fetus based on chromosomes, and no one is injecting blockers into that process. Left on their own, you develop according to the encoded instructions, which can also be influenced by other chemical balances that develop in the brain. If only you were as smart as you think you are, you probably wouldn't be such a troll and a dick, like your buddy Chulo.
@Soteris. Try getting a biological male pregnant, Mr. Biology.
@loveslongnails you need a class in evolution lol.
@Lliam Maybe with science being what is today, the guy could have grown a female reproductive system by using the right puberty blockers, and clicking his heels and saying "there's no place like a womb". :-D
@ChefPapiChulo They are on this platform, unless you use caps which is less appealing to me. It's worth crying about, isn't it?
@ChefPapiChulo This link is irrelevant to the discussion. The material still has to come from human DNA.
@loveslongnails... What do you think blockers are? All they are doing is moderating hormone levels, something that happens naturally even to the point where life choices changes things. Furthermore, hormone levels are a personal thing meaning you can have high or low levels of hormones or even extreme cases such as not producing or being tolerant towards a hormone which effectively works as a blocker.
Are you seriously standing here and arguing for a gender that I can literally influence by being stressed? Really now.
But again, you are missing the point. The hormone levels are not there to serve the XY or XX chromosomes. We have already left that part long behind. It simply signals your body and just like anything in biology, mistakes are made here too which again complicates gender. How many layers of mistakes are we at now? First we have the Chromosomes that can fuck up, then we have the biological processes that interfaces with the Chromosomes that can also fuck up and now we are talking about hormone levels which introduces two new and interesting ways for you to fuck up your gender.
Truly this is simplicity itself. Could only ever be a man or a woman.
Can hormone levels change a cock and balls into a vulva or vice versa?
Are you arguing that variations in hormone levels that are as unique as individual personalities are actually different genders?
All this multiple gender bullshit is contrived.
@Lliam Yes. Hormones are actually the thing that promotes the development of both genitals and you can override the process by changing the hormones independently from the chromosomes. Maybe google before asking me such easy "yes/no" questions next time?
Also hormones influences your personality and behavior so having different levels of hormones obviously changes your personality.
I know all of this, and it's irrelevant to the original that I myself made. Not only that, it's a waste of my time to talk to you. Good day.
@loveslongnails. You're right. Soteris uses equivocation to argue endlessly. It's like listening to a Creationist use "science" to explain how the Hebrew God created the Earth and everything on it fully intact in six days.
Waste of time.
@Lliam Yes Sir, which is what trolls do.
@Lliam Oh really? Is it my fault that you dont understand that it was hormones that signaled what gender the fetus should develop and not your DNA? Again, this is something you should have been taught in biology class rather than come to me and display your ignorance.
@loveslongnails Lovely use of language there good sir. Totally not a word salad that literally means nothing to me.
I understand that your hormones are all fucked up. It was an accident of nature.
Too bad for you.
You've obviously studied a lot to figure out what went wrong with your brain and your gonads. And you're trying to rationalize it as normal.
Very misleading and incomplete at best. Seems you slept through a good part of the class. When that little thing is growing, it's not hormones telling it which reproductive system it's going to end up with. Your such a troll. LOL
I don’t care about x’s and y’s there’s a man and there’s a woman. It’s really not that hard.
@Unknown29 its so funny how these guys say its science when talking about there be only 2 genders but when theyre confronted with actual science they turn off their brains lol.
@ChefPapiChulo Hahaha! He literally said "I dont care about science, there is my opinion. It's really not that hard."
@loveslongnails True, its not just hormones, but its mostly hormones.
Since I am making food I am just going to toss a link at you and have you figure it out yourself for once.
@Lliam Even as an insult, all you are doing is undermining your own argument. How stupid are you really?
@ChefPapiChulo That “science” was created by feminists.
It's not mostly hormones, they're signal senders. I've read the science, and there's a lot of research still ongoing on the interaction. At best, there's too many unknowns. Good bye.
@loveslongnails... Uh huh.. And if the body does not read the signals properly and/or sends the wrong signals? What do you think it would do then?